Billy Ray

Found this article this morning. Check out the last sentence.
http://www.fourwheeler.com/techartic..._0311_upgrade/
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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
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"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:qds_e.117130$G8.69660@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>I think the manifold on the XJ *is* the same, its the front pipes that are
> different.
>
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> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:9a46d$433a255f$d8449845$29846@FUSE.NET...
>> Well.... shows what I know. I am only familiar with the manifolds on
>> the
>> XJ, ZJ,and WJ models and assumed incorrectly that they were the same..
>>
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>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> .
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:mBo_e.117082$G8.29700@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> > the exhaust's route round the front of the engine is fairly
>> > restrictive;
> I
>> > think that is one of the reasons the XJs put out more hp than the TJs
> for
>> > the same engine.
>> >
>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >
>> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> > news:3972d$4339e404$d8449845$10873@FUSE.NET...
>> >> The short story is your Jeep Intake and exhaust manifolds are pretty
> good
>> >> (better than most).
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Billy Ray

Found this article this morning. Check out the last sentence.
http://www.fourwheeler.com/techartic..._0311_upgrade/
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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
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"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:qds_e.117130$G8.69660@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>I think the manifold on the XJ *is* the same, its the front pipes that are
> different.
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:9a46d$433a255f$d8449845$29846@FUSE.NET...
>> Well.... shows what I know. I am only familiar with the manifolds on
>> the
>> XJ, ZJ,and WJ models and assumed incorrectly that they were the same..
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> .
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:mBo_e.117082$G8.29700@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> > the exhaust's route round the front of the engine is fairly
>> > restrictive;
> I
>> > think that is one of the reasons the XJs put out more hp than the TJs
> for
>> > the same engine.
>> >
>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >
>> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> > news:3972d$4339e404$d8449845$10873@FUSE.NET...
>> >> The short story is your Jeep Intake and exhaust manifolds are pretty
> good
>> >> (better than most).
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Billy Ray

Found this article this morning. Check out the last sentence.
http://www.fourwheeler.com/techartic..._0311_upgrade/
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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
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"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:qds_e.117130$G8.69660@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>I think the manifold on the XJ *is* the same, its the front pipes that are
> different.
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:9a46d$433a255f$d8449845$29846@FUSE.NET...
>> Well.... shows what I know. I am only familiar with the manifolds on
>> the
>> XJ, ZJ,and WJ models and assumed incorrectly that they were the same..
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> .
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:mBo_e.117082$G8.29700@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> > the exhaust's route round the front of the engine is fairly
>> > restrictive;
> I
>> > think that is one of the reasons the XJs put out more hp than the TJs
> for
>> > the same engine.
>> >
>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >
>> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> > news:3972d$4339e404$d8449845$10873@FUSE.NET...
>> >> The short story is your Jeep Intake and exhaust manifolds are pretty
> good
>> >> (better than most).
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

Point is if it was CNG, it didn't catch fire because of CNG, but because of
poor maintenance on the brakes:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...olitan/3370988

the narrator described two explosions, so it was probably the medical O2
canisters exploding http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9449949/

The owner of the bus isn't Sunrise Senior Living, it's Global Limo of Pharr,
TX.

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:433A48AC.27C3E749@***.net...
> It's obviously by the one large gas explosion, listen to the
> narrator:
> http://mfile.akamai.com/12880/wmv/vo...11832.200k.asx
> By the style of the bus, we can tell it isn't a Greyhound diesel
> burning, and by the owner: Sunrise Senior Living, of McLean, Va, reeks
> of clean air subsidies: http://www.----------.com/temp/busFire.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>
>> Where is your evidence it was a CNG bus...and if it was that the CNG
>> had anything to do with it?

Matt Macchiarolo

Point is if it was CNG, it didn't catch fire because of CNG, but because of
poor maintenance on the brakes:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...olitan/3370988

the narrator described two explosions, so it was probably the medical O2
canisters exploding http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9449949/

The owner of the bus isn't Sunrise Senior Living, it's Global Limo of Pharr,
TX.

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:433A48AC.27C3E749@***.net...
> It's obviously by the one large gas explosion, listen to the
> narrator:
> http://mfile.akamai.com/12880/wmv/vo...11832.200k.asx
> By the style of the bus, we can tell it isn't a Greyhound diesel
> burning, and by the owner: Sunrise Senior Living, of McLean, Va, reeks
> of clean air subsidies: http://www.----------.com/temp/busFire.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>
>> Where is your evidence it was a CNG bus...and if it was that the CNG
>> had anything to do with it?

Matt Macchiarolo

Point is if it was CNG, it didn't catch fire because of CNG, but because of
poor maintenance on the brakes:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...olitan/3370988

the narrator described two explosions, so it was probably the medical O2
canisters exploding http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9449949/

The owner of the bus isn't Sunrise Senior Living, it's Global Limo of Pharr,
TX.

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:433A48AC.27C3E749@***.net...
> It's obviously by the one large gas explosion, listen to the
> narrator:
> http://mfile.akamai.com/12880/wmv/vo...11832.200k.asx
> By the style of the bus, we can tell it isn't a Greyhound diesel
> burning, and by the owner: Sunrise Senior Living, of McLean, Va, reeks
> of clean air subsidies: http://www.----------.com/temp/busFire.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>
>> Where is your evidence it was a CNG bus...and if it was that the CNG
>> had anything to do with it?

Jeff Strickland

They won't help your TJ very much, but if you have a CJ or YJ they'll help
alot!

The TJ already has a vastly improved exhaust tract, and unless yours is
broken, don't screw with it. If yout TJ has an exhaust manifold (header)
with a bellows on the end, it is already about the best you can do.




"Troy" <troy@ .> wrote in message
news:BJmdnQBFmYqcXaTeRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
> Saw on quadratec.com borla headers for my tj, at $478.95! Not sure if
> this price is high or not for headers, but are they worth it? How much
> power can I expect? Also, wouldn't I have to change the rest of my pipes
> to get anything out of it? This jeep is the first vehicle I've owned that
> I've started working on, I've really learned alot but I just have no
> experience with "performance" headers... Seems to me that after the
> headers I would have to upgrade my entire exhaust back to the end...
>
> Troy
>

Jeff Strickland

They won't help your TJ very much, but if you have a CJ or YJ they'll help
alot!

The TJ already has a vastly improved exhaust tract, and unless yours is
broken, don't screw with it. If yout TJ has an exhaust manifold (header)
with a bellows on the end, it is already about the best you can do.




"Troy" <troy@ .> wrote in message
news:BJmdnQBFmYqcXaTeRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
> Saw on quadratec.com borla headers for my tj, at $478.95! Not sure if
> this price is high or not for headers, but are they worth it? How much
> power can I expect? Also, wouldn't I have to change the rest of my pipes
> to get anything out of it? This jeep is the first vehicle I've owned that
> I've started working on, I've really learned alot but I just have no
> experience with "performance" headers... Seems to me that after the
> headers I would have to upgrade my entire exhaust back to the end...
>
> Troy
>

Jeff Strickland

They won't help your TJ very much, but if you have a CJ or YJ they'll help
alot!

The TJ already has a vastly improved exhaust tract, and unless yours is
broken, don't screw with it. If yout TJ has an exhaust manifold (header)
with a bellows on the end, it is already about the best you can do.




"Troy" <troy@ .> wrote in message
news:BJmdnQBFmYqcXaTeRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
> Saw on quadratec.com borla headers for my tj, at $478.95! Not sure if
> this price is high or not for headers, but are they worth it? How much
> power can I expect? Also, wouldn't I have to change the rest of my pipes
> to get anything out of it? This jeep is the first vehicle I've owned that
> I've started working on, I've really learned alot but I just have no
> experience with "performance" headers... Seems to me that after the
> headers I would have to upgrade my entire exhaust back to the end...
>
> Troy
>

Bret Ludwig

L.W. ------ III (ßill) wrote:
> They make the chips Ford, Chevy, and Daimler's 4.7:
> http://www.superchips.com/home.phtml
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

All this talk of "chips" shows the automotive world is mostly
electronically ignorant hicks. The "chip" is an EEPROM or window PROM
that costs a dollar or so. The software in it, is what you are paying
for. On a per byte basis the software from aftermarket hot rod
companies sell is insanely expensive. Usually it wasn't even software,
in the sense of executable code, per se but just data of an "engine
map", that is if X is such and Y is another, then Z.

Now they leave the physical memory part in place and flash it over the
OBD II connector.

There is reasonably priced software to do this in some cases, or you
replace the factory ECM with a unit having a common RS-232 connector
and download your own engine map. California and other eco-fascist
states probably do not allow this for on road use."Grassroots
Motorsports" magazine has some things like this advertised therein.

All my hobby cars are old enough I don't have to mess with electronics
and my go to work car stays strictly stock. Solves that problem pretty
well.