Got CJ7 fixed, anyone want to bush run in Ontario Ca. for a couple days?
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Re: Got CJ7 fixed, anyone want to bush run in Ontario Ca. for a couple days?
The white CJ-7 is Mike's, mine's the TJ, and 5.9 Limited ZJ is Max's.
The caps were already broken like that when I pressed them out, which was
pretty easy to do since the entire drive shaft was only eight months old. I
still can't believe it didn't let go on me.
/Peter
.... wagging my finger at myself ...
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:G021c.3479$vG7.2540@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> Cool shots. Who's in them? I see the pic on your U-joint. How did the
> cups break, and where are your needle bearings? :)
>
> PeterP wrote:
>
> > A buddy and I met up with Mike Romain in the bush yesterday. He was
cooking
> > up a gourmet storm as usual when we arrived. We did some mild wheeling
in
> > the mild weather, it was nice to get out. It was surprisingly hard to
plow
> > through the shallow snow, but it was very dense, wet snow, almost a
slush.
> > Unfortunately, Mike broke a hub later in the day, and none of us had a
> > spare.
> >
> > Pix are at
> >
http://www.storm.ca/~sprocket/wheeli...%20Bush%20Run/.
> >
> > I complained about a "mild" driveline vibe yesterday that had started
> > showing up late last week. In my infinite wisdom, I was ignoring it, and
put
> > in three or four hours of highway driving plus the high-rpm low-range
snow
> > bashing yesterday. The last of the picturs shows what my rearmost
driveshaft
> > u-joint looked like by the time I got home. I'm amazed it held together.
I
> > won't be ignoring "mild" vibes any more!
> >
> > /Peter
The caps were already broken like that when I pressed them out, which was
pretty easy to do since the entire drive shaft was only eight months old. I
still can't believe it didn't let go on me.
/Peter
.... wagging my finger at myself ...
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:G021c.3479$vG7.2540@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> Cool shots. Who's in them? I see the pic on your U-joint. How did the
> cups break, and where are your needle bearings? :)
>
> PeterP wrote:
>
> > A buddy and I met up with Mike Romain in the bush yesterday. He was
cooking
> > up a gourmet storm as usual when we arrived. We did some mild wheeling
in
> > the mild weather, it was nice to get out. It was surprisingly hard to
plow
> > through the shallow snow, but it was very dense, wet snow, almost a
slush.
> > Unfortunately, Mike broke a hub later in the day, and none of us had a
> > spare.
> >
> > Pix are at
> >
http://www.storm.ca/~sprocket/wheeli...%20Bush%20Run/.
> >
> > I complained about a "mild" driveline vibe yesterday that had started
> > showing up late last week. In my infinite wisdom, I was ignoring it, and
put
> > in three or four hours of highway driving plus the high-rpm low-range
snow
> > bashing yesterday. The last of the picturs shows what my rearmost
driveshaft
> > u-joint looked like by the time I got home. I'm amazed it held together.
I
> > won't be ignoring "mild" vibes any more!
> >
> > /Peter
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Re: Got CJ7 fixed, anyone want to bush run in Ontario Ca. for a coupledays?
Ooh, someone didn't lube the u-joint after installing the new
driveshaft? Heh heh. Well, glad you made it home OK. Doesn't look like
you had many more miles left before total failure. The trip sure looked
fun. Looks like Max needs a little lift and some mudders to hang out
with you guys. :)
PeterP wrote:
> The white CJ-7 is Mike's, mine's the TJ, and 5.9 Limited ZJ is Max's.
>
> The caps were already broken like that when I pressed them out, which was
> pretty easy to do since the entire drive shaft was only eight months old. I
> still can't believe it didn't let go on me.
>
> /Peter
> ... wagging my finger at myself ...
>
> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> news:G021c.3479$vG7.2540@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
>
>>Cool shots. Who's in them? I see the pic on your U-joint. How did the
>>cups break, and where are your needle bearings? :)
>>
>>PeterP wrote:
>>
>>
>>>A buddy and I met up with Mike Romain in the bush yesterday. He was
>
> cooking
>
>>>up a gourmet storm as usual when we arrived. We did some mild wheeling
>
> in
>
>>>the mild weather, it was nice to get out. It was surprisingly hard to
>
> plow
>
>>>through the shallow snow, but it was very dense, wet snow, almost a
>
> slush.
>
>>>Unfortunately, Mike broke a hub later in the day, and none of us had a
>>>spare.
>>>
>>>Pix are at
>>>
>
> http://www.storm.ca/~sprocket/wheeli...%20Bush%20Run/.
>
>>>I complained about a "mild" driveline vibe yesterday that had started
>>>showing up late last week. In my infinite wisdom, I was ignoring it, and
>
> put
>
>>>in three or four hours of highway driving plus the high-rpm low-range
>
> snow
>
>>>bashing yesterday. The last of the picturs shows what my rearmost
>
> driveshaft
>
>>>u-joint looked like by the time I got home. I'm amazed it held together.
>
> I
>
>>>won't be ignoring "mild" vibes any more!
>>>
>>>/Peter
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
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driveshaft? Heh heh. Well, glad you made it home OK. Doesn't look like
you had many more miles left before total failure. The trip sure looked
fun. Looks like Max needs a little lift and some mudders to hang out
with you guys. :)
PeterP wrote:
> The white CJ-7 is Mike's, mine's the TJ, and 5.9 Limited ZJ is Max's.
>
> The caps were already broken like that when I pressed them out, which was
> pretty easy to do since the entire drive shaft was only eight months old. I
> still can't believe it didn't let go on me.
>
> /Peter
> ... wagging my finger at myself ...
>
> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> news:G021c.3479$vG7.2540@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
>
>>Cool shots. Who's in them? I see the pic on your U-joint. How did the
>>cups break, and where are your needle bearings? :)
>>
>>PeterP wrote:
>>
>>
>>>A buddy and I met up with Mike Romain in the bush yesterday. He was
>
> cooking
>
>>>up a gourmet storm as usual when we arrived. We did some mild wheeling
>
> in
>
>>>the mild weather, it was nice to get out. It was surprisingly hard to
>
> plow
>
>>>through the shallow snow, but it was very dense, wet snow, almost a
>
> slush.
>
>>>Unfortunately, Mike broke a hub later in the day, and none of us had a
>>>spare.
>>>
>>>Pix are at
>>>
>
> http://www.storm.ca/~sprocket/wheeli...%20Bush%20Run/.
>
>>>I complained about a "mild" driveline vibe yesterday that had started
>>>showing up late last week. In my infinite wisdom, I was ignoring it, and
>
> put
>
>>>in three or four hours of highway driving plus the high-rpm low-range
>
> snow
>
>>>bashing yesterday. The last of the picturs shows what my rearmost
>
> driveshaft
>
>>>u-joint looked like by the time I got home. I'm amazed it held together.
>
> I
>
>>>won't be ignoring "mild" vibes any more!
>>>
>>>/Peter
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
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Re: Got CJ7 fixed, anyone want to bush run in Ontario Ca. for a coupledays?
Ooh, someone didn't lube the u-joint after installing the new
driveshaft? Heh heh. Well, glad you made it home OK. Doesn't look like
you had many more miles left before total failure. The trip sure looked
fun. Looks like Max needs a little lift and some mudders to hang out
with you guys. :)
PeterP wrote:
> The white CJ-7 is Mike's, mine's the TJ, and 5.9 Limited ZJ is Max's.
>
> The caps were already broken like that when I pressed them out, which was
> pretty easy to do since the entire drive shaft was only eight months old. I
> still can't believe it didn't let go on me.
>
> /Peter
> ... wagging my finger at myself ...
>
> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> news:G021c.3479$vG7.2540@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
>
>>Cool shots. Who's in them? I see the pic on your U-joint. How did the
>>cups break, and where are your needle bearings? :)
>>
>>PeterP wrote:
>>
>>
>>>A buddy and I met up with Mike Romain in the bush yesterday. He was
>
> cooking
>
>>>up a gourmet storm as usual when we arrived. We did some mild wheeling
>
> in
>
>>>the mild weather, it was nice to get out. It was surprisingly hard to
>
> plow
>
>>>through the shallow snow, but it was very dense, wet snow, almost a
>
> slush.
>
>>>Unfortunately, Mike broke a hub later in the day, and none of us had a
>>>spare.
>>>
>>>Pix are at
>>>
>
> http://www.storm.ca/~sprocket/wheeli...%20Bush%20Run/.
>
>>>I complained about a "mild" driveline vibe yesterday that had started
>>>showing up late last week. In my infinite wisdom, I was ignoring it, and
>
> put
>
>>>in three or four hours of highway driving plus the high-rpm low-range
>
> snow
>
>>>bashing yesterday. The last of the picturs shows what my rearmost
>
> driveshaft
>
>>>u-joint looked like by the time I got home. I'm amazed it held together.
>
> I
>
>>>won't be ignoring "mild" vibes any more!
>>>
>>>/Peter
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
driveshaft? Heh heh. Well, glad you made it home OK. Doesn't look like
you had many more miles left before total failure. The trip sure looked
fun. Looks like Max needs a little lift and some mudders to hang out
with you guys. :)
PeterP wrote:
> The white CJ-7 is Mike's, mine's the TJ, and 5.9 Limited ZJ is Max's.
>
> The caps were already broken like that when I pressed them out, which was
> pretty easy to do since the entire drive shaft was only eight months old. I
> still can't believe it didn't let go on me.
>
> /Peter
> ... wagging my finger at myself ...
>
> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> news:G021c.3479$vG7.2540@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
>
>>Cool shots. Who's in them? I see the pic on your U-joint. How did the
>>cups break, and where are your needle bearings? :)
>>
>>PeterP wrote:
>>
>>
>>>A buddy and I met up with Mike Romain in the bush yesterday. He was
>
> cooking
>
>>>up a gourmet storm as usual when we arrived. We did some mild wheeling
>
> in
>
>>>the mild weather, it was nice to get out. It was surprisingly hard to
>
> plow
>
>>>through the shallow snow, but it was very dense, wet snow, almost a
>
> slush.
>
>>>Unfortunately, Mike broke a hub later in the day, and none of us had a
>>>spare.
>>>
>>>Pix are at
>>>
>
> http://www.storm.ca/~sprocket/wheeli...%20Bush%20Run/.
>
>>>I complained about a "mild" driveline vibe yesterday that had started
>>>showing up late last week. In my infinite wisdom, I was ignoring it, and
>
> put
>
>>>in three or four hours of highway driving plus the high-rpm low-range
>
> snow
>
>>>bashing yesterday. The last of the picturs shows what my rearmost
>
> driveshaft
>
>>>u-joint looked like by the time I got home. I'm amazed it held together.
>
> I
>
>>>won't be ignoring "mild" vibes any more!
>>>
>>>/Peter
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
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__________________________________________________ _________
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Re: Got CJ7 fixed, anyone want to bush run in Ontario Ca. for a coupledays?
Ooh, someone didn't lube the u-joint after installing the new
driveshaft? Heh heh. Well, glad you made it home OK. Doesn't look like
you had many more miles left before total failure. The trip sure looked
fun. Looks like Max needs a little lift and some mudders to hang out
with you guys. :)
PeterP wrote:
> The white CJ-7 is Mike's, mine's the TJ, and 5.9 Limited ZJ is Max's.
>
> The caps were already broken like that when I pressed them out, which was
> pretty easy to do since the entire drive shaft was only eight months old. I
> still can't believe it didn't let go on me.
>
> /Peter
> ... wagging my finger at myself ...
>
> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> news:G021c.3479$vG7.2540@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
>
>>Cool shots. Who's in them? I see the pic on your U-joint. How did the
>>cups break, and where are your needle bearings? :)
>>
>>PeterP wrote:
>>
>>
>>>A buddy and I met up with Mike Romain in the bush yesterday. He was
>
> cooking
>
>>>up a gourmet storm as usual when we arrived. We did some mild wheeling
>
> in
>
>>>the mild weather, it was nice to get out. It was surprisingly hard to
>
> plow
>
>>>through the shallow snow, but it was very dense, wet snow, almost a
>
> slush.
>
>>>Unfortunately, Mike broke a hub later in the day, and none of us had a
>>>spare.
>>>
>>>Pix are at
>>>
>
> http://www.storm.ca/~sprocket/wheeli...%20Bush%20Run/.
>
>>>I complained about a "mild" driveline vibe yesterday that had started
>>>showing up late last week. In my infinite wisdom, I was ignoring it, and
>
> put
>
>>>in three or four hours of highway driving plus the high-rpm low-range
>
> snow
>
>>>bashing yesterday. The last of the picturs shows what my rearmost
>
> driveshaft
>
>>>u-joint looked like by the time I got home. I'm amazed it held together.
>
> I
>
>>>won't be ignoring "mild" vibes any more!
>>>
>>>/Peter
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
driveshaft? Heh heh. Well, glad you made it home OK. Doesn't look like
you had many more miles left before total failure. The trip sure looked
fun. Looks like Max needs a little lift and some mudders to hang out
with you guys. :)
PeterP wrote:
> The white CJ-7 is Mike's, mine's the TJ, and 5.9 Limited ZJ is Max's.
>
> The caps were already broken like that when I pressed them out, which was
> pretty easy to do since the entire drive shaft was only eight months old. I
> still can't believe it didn't let go on me.
>
> /Peter
> ... wagging my finger at myself ...
>
> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> news:G021c.3479$vG7.2540@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
>
>>Cool shots. Who's in them? I see the pic on your U-joint. How did the
>>cups break, and where are your needle bearings? :)
>>
>>PeterP wrote:
>>
>>
>>>A buddy and I met up with Mike Romain in the bush yesterday. He was
>
> cooking
>
>>>up a gourmet storm as usual when we arrived. We did some mild wheeling
>
> in
>
>>>the mild weather, it was nice to get out. It was surprisingly hard to
>
> plow
>
>>>through the shallow snow, but it was very dense, wet snow, almost a
>
> slush.
>
>>>Unfortunately, Mike broke a hub later in the day, and none of us had a
>>>spare.
>>>
>>>Pix are at
>>>
>
> http://www.storm.ca/~sprocket/wheeli...%20Bush%20Run/.
>
>>>I complained about a "mild" driveline vibe yesterday that had started
>>>showing up late last week. In my infinite wisdom, I was ignoring it, and
>
> put
>
>>>in three or four hours of highway driving plus the high-rpm low-range
>
> snow
>
>>>bashing yesterday. The last of the picturs shows what my rearmost
>
> driveshaft
>
>>>u-joint looked like by the time I got home. I'm amazed it held together.
>
> I
>
>>>won't be ignoring "mild" vibes any more!
>>>
>>>/Peter
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
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Re: Got CJ7 fixed, anyone want to bush run in Ontario Ca. for a coupledays?
Nice shots Peter!
I will have my photos ready soon, had some issues with a floppy disk,
but got most of the photos ok.
Too bad the sun didn't actually decide to stay out, it would have been a
nice day to run top off.
You were lucky on that u-joint!
I need to get some Warn hubs, that is the second Jeep hub I have
exploded. The bolts sheared off too so I am going to have to drill the
hub out to fit the new locks.
Mike
PeterP wrote:
>
> A buddy and I met up with Mike Romain in the bush yesterday. He was cooking
> up a gourmet storm as usual when we arrived. We did some mild wheeling in
> the mild weather, it was nice to get out. It was surprisingly hard to plow
> through the shallow snow, but it was very dense, wet snow, almost a slush.
> Unfortunately, Mike broke a hub later in the day, and none of us had a
> spare.
>
> Pix are at
> http://www.storm.ca/~sprocket/wheeli...%20Bush%20Run/.
>
> I complained about a "mild" driveline vibe yesterday that had started
> showing up late last week. In my infinite wisdom, I was ignoring it, and put
> in three or four hours of highway driving plus the high-rpm low-range snow
> bashing yesterday. The last of the picturs shows what my rearmost driveshaft
> u-joint looked like by the time I got home. I'm amazed it held together. I
> won't be ignoring "mild" vibes any more!
>
> /Peter
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:403EACB4.909460C4@***.net...
> > Cool, have fun.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL!
> > >
> > > Too true Bill, I checked my spare (old but still working fine when
> > > removed) alternator the other day and the sucker was seized up! It's
> > > been sitting in the parts box for 4 years now.
> > >
> > > I do sure hope someone else shows, because my wife and I won't push it
> > > even slightly if running solo. We will get to a camp or campsite and
> > > pretty much stay put unless there is lots of traffic on the trail.
> > >
> > > Mike
I will have my photos ready soon, had some issues with a floppy disk,
but got most of the photos ok.
Too bad the sun didn't actually decide to stay out, it would have been a
nice day to run top off.
You were lucky on that u-joint!
I need to get some Warn hubs, that is the second Jeep hub I have
exploded. The bolts sheared off too so I am going to have to drill the
hub out to fit the new locks.
Mike
PeterP wrote:
>
> A buddy and I met up with Mike Romain in the bush yesterday. He was cooking
> up a gourmet storm as usual when we arrived. We did some mild wheeling in
> the mild weather, it was nice to get out. It was surprisingly hard to plow
> through the shallow snow, but it was very dense, wet snow, almost a slush.
> Unfortunately, Mike broke a hub later in the day, and none of us had a
> spare.
>
> Pix are at
> http://www.storm.ca/~sprocket/wheeli...%20Bush%20Run/.
>
> I complained about a "mild" driveline vibe yesterday that had started
> showing up late last week. In my infinite wisdom, I was ignoring it, and put
> in three or four hours of highway driving plus the high-rpm low-range snow
> bashing yesterday. The last of the picturs shows what my rearmost driveshaft
> u-joint looked like by the time I got home. I'm amazed it held together. I
> won't be ignoring "mild" vibes any more!
>
> /Peter
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:403EACB4.909460C4@***.net...
> > Cool, have fun.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL!
> > >
> > > Too true Bill, I checked my spare (old but still working fine when
> > > removed) alternator the other day and the sucker was seized up! It's
> > > been sitting in the parts box for 4 years now.
> > >
> > > I do sure hope someone else shows, because my wife and I won't push it
> > > even slightly if running solo. We will get to a camp or campsite and
> > > pretty much stay put unless there is lots of traffic on the trail.
> > >
> > > Mike
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Re: Got CJ7 fixed, anyone want to bush run in Ontario Ca. for a coupledays?
Nice shots Peter!
I will have my photos ready soon, had some issues with a floppy disk,
but got most of the photos ok.
Too bad the sun didn't actually decide to stay out, it would have been a
nice day to run top off.
You were lucky on that u-joint!
I need to get some Warn hubs, that is the second Jeep hub I have
exploded. The bolts sheared off too so I am going to have to drill the
hub out to fit the new locks.
Mike
PeterP wrote:
>
> A buddy and I met up with Mike Romain in the bush yesterday. He was cooking
> up a gourmet storm as usual when we arrived. We did some mild wheeling in
> the mild weather, it was nice to get out. It was surprisingly hard to plow
> through the shallow snow, but it was very dense, wet snow, almost a slush.
> Unfortunately, Mike broke a hub later in the day, and none of us had a
> spare.
>
> Pix are at
> http://www.storm.ca/~sprocket/wheeli...%20Bush%20Run/.
>
> I complained about a "mild" driveline vibe yesterday that had started
> showing up late last week. In my infinite wisdom, I was ignoring it, and put
> in three or four hours of highway driving plus the high-rpm low-range snow
> bashing yesterday. The last of the picturs shows what my rearmost driveshaft
> u-joint looked like by the time I got home. I'm amazed it held together. I
> won't be ignoring "mild" vibes any more!
>
> /Peter
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:403EACB4.909460C4@***.net...
> > Cool, have fun.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL!
> > >
> > > Too true Bill, I checked my spare (old but still working fine when
> > > removed) alternator the other day and the sucker was seized up! It's
> > > been sitting in the parts box for 4 years now.
> > >
> > > I do sure hope someone else shows, because my wife and I won't push it
> > > even slightly if running solo. We will get to a camp or campsite and
> > > pretty much stay put unless there is lots of traffic on the trail.
> > >
> > > Mike
I will have my photos ready soon, had some issues with a floppy disk,
but got most of the photos ok.
Too bad the sun didn't actually decide to stay out, it would have been a
nice day to run top off.
You were lucky on that u-joint!
I need to get some Warn hubs, that is the second Jeep hub I have
exploded. The bolts sheared off too so I am going to have to drill the
hub out to fit the new locks.
Mike
PeterP wrote:
>
> A buddy and I met up with Mike Romain in the bush yesterday. He was cooking
> up a gourmet storm as usual when we arrived. We did some mild wheeling in
> the mild weather, it was nice to get out. It was surprisingly hard to plow
> through the shallow snow, but it was very dense, wet snow, almost a slush.
> Unfortunately, Mike broke a hub later in the day, and none of us had a
> spare.
>
> Pix are at
> http://www.storm.ca/~sprocket/wheeli...%20Bush%20Run/.
>
> I complained about a "mild" driveline vibe yesterday that had started
> showing up late last week. In my infinite wisdom, I was ignoring it, and put
> in three or four hours of highway driving plus the high-rpm low-range snow
> bashing yesterday. The last of the picturs shows what my rearmost driveshaft
> u-joint looked like by the time I got home. I'm amazed it held together. I
> won't be ignoring "mild" vibes any more!
>
> /Peter
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:403EACB4.909460C4@***.net...
> > Cool, have fun.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL!
> > >
> > > Too true Bill, I checked my spare (old but still working fine when
> > > removed) alternator the other day and the sucker was seized up! It's
> > > been sitting in the parts box for 4 years now.
> > >
> > > I do sure hope someone else shows, because my wife and I won't push it
> > > even slightly if running solo. We will get to a camp or campsite and
> > > pretty much stay put unless there is lots of traffic on the trail.
> > >
> > > Mike
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Re: Got CJ7 fixed, anyone want to bush run in Ontario Ca. for a coupledays?
Nice shots Peter!
I will have my photos ready soon, had some issues with a floppy disk,
but got most of the photos ok.
Too bad the sun didn't actually decide to stay out, it would have been a
nice day to run top off.
You were lucky on that u-joint!
I need to get some Warn hubs, that is the second Jeep hub I have
exploded. The bolts sheared off too so I am going to have to drill the
hub out to fit the new locks.
Mike
PeterP wrote:
>
> A buddy and I met up with Mike Romain in the bush yesterday. He was cooking
> up a gourmet storm as usual when we arrived. We did some mild wheeling in
> the mild weather, it was nice to get out. It was surprisingly hard to plow
> through the shallow snow, but it was very dense, wet snow, almost a slush.
> Unfortunately, Mike broke a hub later in the day, and none of us had a
> spare.
>
> Pix are at
> http://www.storm.ca/~sprocket/wheeli...%20Bush%20Run/.
>
> I complained about a "mild" driveline vibe yesterday that had started
> showing up late last week. In my infinite wisdom, I was ignoring it, and put
> in three or four hours of highway driving plus the high-rpm low-range snow
> bashing yesterday. The last of the picturs shows what my rearmost driveshaft
> u-joint looked like by the time I got home. I'm amazed it held together. I
> won't be ignoring "mild" vibes any more!
>
> /Peter
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:403EACB4.909460C4@***.net...
> > Cool, have fun.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL!
> > >
> > > Too true Bill, I checked my spare (old but still working fine when
> > > removed) alternator the other day and the sucker was seized up! It's
> > > been sitting in the parts box for 4 years now.
> > >
> > > I do sure hope someone else shows, because my wife and I won't push it
> > > even slightly if running solo. We will get to a camp or campsite and
> > > pretty much stay put unless there is lots of traffic on the trail.
> > >
> > > Mike
I will have my photos ready soon, had some issues with a floppy disk,
but got most of the photos ok.
Too bad the sun didn't actually decide to stay out, it would have been a
nice day to run top off.
You were lucky on that u-joint!
I need to get some Warn hubs, that is the second Jeep hub I have
exploded. The bolts sheared off too so I am going to have to drill the
hub out to fit the new locks.
Mike
PeterP wrote:
>
> A buddy and I met up with Mike Romain in the bush yesterday. He was cooking
> up a gourmet storm as usual when we arrived. We did some mild wheeling in
> the mild weather, it was nice to get out. It was surprisingly hard to plow
> through the shallow snow, but it was very dense, wet snow, almost a slush.
> Unfortunately, Mike broke a hub later in the day, and none of us had a
> spare.
>
> Pix are at
> http://www.storm.ca/~sprocket/wheeli...%20Bush%20Run/.
>
> I complained about a "mild" driveline vibe yesterday that had started
> showing up late last week. In my infinite wisdom, I was ignoring it, and put
> in three or four hours of highway driving plus the high-rpm low-range snow
> bashing yesterday. The last of the picturs shows what my rearmost driveshaft
> u-joint looked like by the time I got home. I'm amazed it held together. I
> won't be ignoring "mild" vibes any more!
>
> /Peter
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:403EACB4.909460C4@***.net...
> > Cool, have fun.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL!
> > >
> > > Too true Bill, I checked my spare (old but still working fine when
> > > removed) alternator the other day and the sucker was seized up! It's
> > > been sitting in the parts box for 4 years now.
> > >
> > > I do sure hope someone else shows, because my wife and I won't push it
> > > even slightly if running solo. We will get to a camp or campsite and
> > > pretty much stay put unless there is lots of traffic on the trail.
> > >
> > > Mike
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Re: Got CJ7 fixed, anyone want to bush run in Ontario Ca. for acoupledays?
Heh heh, Max 'does' have a lift and mudders....
Actually he did really well, only needed a tug when fooling around on
snowbanks, he did great on the trail with that Grand. I was thinking
that big 360 was going to weigh him down, but nope.
Mike
twaldron wrote:
>
> Ooh, someone didn't lube the u-joint after installing the new
> driveshaft? Heh heh. Well, glad you made it home OK. Doesn't look like
> you had many more miles left before total failure. The trip sure looked
> fun. Looks like Max needs a little lift and some mudders to hang out
> with you guys. :)
>
> PeterP wrote:
>
> > The white CJ-7 is Mike's, mine's the TJ, and 5.9 Limited ZJ is Max's.
> >
> > The caps were already broken like that when I pressed them out, which was
> > pretty easy to do since the entire drive shaft was only eight months old. I
> > still can't believe it didn't let go on me.
> >
> > /Peter
> > ... wagging my finger at myself ...
> >
> > "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> > news:G021c.3479$vG7.2540@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> >
> >>Cool shots. Who's in them? I see the pic on your U-joint. How did the
> >>cups break, and where are your needle bearings? :)
> >>
> >>PeterP wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>A buddy and I met up with Mike Romain in the bush yesterday. He was
> >
> > cooking
> >
> >>>up a gourmet storm as usual when we arrived. We did some mild wheeling
> >
> > in
> >
> >>>the mild weather, it was nice to get out. It was surprisingly hard to
> >
> > plow
> >
> >>>through the shallow snow, but it was very dense, wet snow, almost a
> >
> > slush.
> >
> >>>Unfortunately, Mike broke a hub later in the day, and none of us had a
> >>>spare.
> >>>
> >>>Pix are at
> >>>
> >
> > http://www.storm.ca/~sprocket/wheeli...%20Bush%20Run/.
> >
> >>>I complained about a "mild" driveline vibe yesterday that had started
> >>>showing up late last week. In my infinite wisdom, I was ignoring it, and
> >
> > put
> >
> >>>in three or four hours of highway driving plus the high-rpm low-range
> >
> > snow
> >
> >>>bashing yesterday. The last of the picturs shows what my rearmost
> >
> > driveshaft
> >
> >>>u-joint looked like by the time I got home. I'm amazed it held together.
> >
> > I
> >
> >>>won't be ignoring "mild" vibes any more!
> >>>
> >>>/Peter
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
Actually he did really well, only needed a tug when fooling around on
snowbanks, he did great on the trail with that Grand. I was thinking
that big 360 was going to weigh him down, but nope.
Mike
twaldron wrote:
>
> Ooh, someone didn't lube the u-joint after installing the new
> driveshaft? Heh heh. Well, glad you made it home OK. Doesn't look like
> you had many more miles left before total failure. The trip sure looked
> fun. Looks like Max needs a little lift and some mudders to hang out
> with you guys. :)
>
> PeterP wrote:
>
> > The white CJ-7 is Mike's, mine's the TJ, and 5.9 Limited ZJ is Max's.
> >
> > The caps were already broken like that when I pressed them out, which was
> > pretty easy to do since the entire drive shaft was only eight months old. I
> > still can't believe it didn't let go on me.
> >
> > /Peter
> > ... wagging my finger at myself ...
> >
> > "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> > news:G021c.3479$vG7.2540@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> >
> >>Cool shots. Who's in them? I see the pic on your U-joint. How did the
> >>cups break, and where are your needle bearings? :)
> >>
> >>PeterP wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>A buddy and I met up with Mike Romain in the bush yesterday. He was
> >
> > cooking
> >
> >>>up a gourmet storm as usual when we arrived. We did some mild wheeling
> >
> > in
> >
> >>>the mild weather, it was nice to get out. It was surprisingly hard to
> >
> > plow
> >
> >>>through the shallow snow, but it was very dense, wet snow, almost a
> >
> > slush.
> >
> >>>Unfortunately, Mike broke a hub later in the day, and none of us had a
> >>>spare.
> >>>
> >>>Pix are at
> >>>
> >
> > http://www.storm.ca/~sprocket/wheeli...%20Bush%20Run/.
> >
> >>>I complained about a "mild" driveline vibe yesterday that had started
> >>>showing up late last week. In my infinite wisdom, I was ignoring it, and
> >
> > put
> >
> >>>in three or four hours of highway driving plus the high-rpm low-range
> >
> > snow
> >
> >>>bashing yesterday. The last of the picturs shows what my rearmost
> >
> > driveshaft
> >
> >>>u-joint looked like by the time I got home. I'm amazed it held together.
> >
> > I
> >
> >>>won't be ignoring "mild" vibes any more!
> >>>
> >>>/Peter
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
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Re: Got CJ7 fixed, anyone want to bush run in Ontario Ca. for acoupledays?
Heh heh, Max 'does' have a lift and mudders....
Actually he did really well, only needed a tug when fooling around on
snowbanks, he did great on the trail with that Grand. I was thinking
that big 360 was going to weigh him down, but nope.
Mike
twaldron wrote:
>
> Ooh, someone didn't lube the u-joint after installing the new
> driveshaft? Heh heh. Well, glad you made it home OK. Doesn't look like
> you had many more miles left before total failure. The trip sure looked
> fun. Looks like Max needs a little lift and some mudders to hang out
> with you guys. :)
>
> PeterP wrote:
>
> > The white CJ-7 is Mike's, mine's the TJ, and 5.9 Limited ZJ is Max's.
> >
> > The caps were already broken like that when I pressed them out, which was
> > pretty easy to do since the entire drive shaft was only eight months old. I
> > still can't believe it didn't let go on me.
> >
> > /Peter
> > ... wagging my finger at myself ...
> >
> > "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> > news:G021c.3479$vG7.2540@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> >
> >>Cool shots. Who's in them? I see the pic on your U-joint. How did the
> >>cups break, and where are your needle bearings? :)
> >>
> >>PeterP wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>A buddy and I met up with Mike Romain in the bush yesterday. He was
> >
> > cooking
> >
> >>>up a gourmet storm as usual when we arrived. We did some mild wheeling
> >
> > in
> >
> >>>the mild weather, it was nice to get out. It was surprisingly hard to
> >
> > plow
> >
> >>>through the shallow snow, but it was very dense, wet snow, almost a
> >
> > slush.
> >
> >>>Unfortunately, Mike broke a hub later in the day, and none of us had a
> >>>spare.
> >>>
> >>>Pix are at
> >>>
> >
> > http://www.storm.ca/~sprocket/wheeli...%20Bush%20Run/.
> >
> >>>I complained about a "mild" driveline vibe yesterday that had started
> >>>showing up late last week. In my infinite wisdom, I was ignoring it, and
> >
> > put
> >
> >>>in three or four hours of highway driving plus the high-rpm low-range
> >
> > snow
> >
> >>>bashing yesterday. The last of the picturs shows what my rearmost
> >
> > driveshaft
> >
> >>>u-joint looked like by the time I got home. I'm amazed it held together.
> >
> > I
> >
> >>>won't be ignoring "mild" vibes any more!
> >>>
> >>>/Peter
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
Actually he did really well, only needed a tug when fooling around on
snowbanks, he did great on the trail with that Grand. I was thinking
that big 360 was going to weigh him down, but nope.
Mike
twaldron wrote:
>
> Ooh, someone didn't lube the u-joint after installing the new
> driveshaft? Heh heh. Well, glad you made it home OK. Doesn't look like
> you had many more miles left before total failure. The trip sure looked
> fun. Looks like Max needs a little lift and some mudders to hang out
> with you guys. :)
>
> PeterP wrote:
>
> > The white CJ-7 is Mike's, mine's the TJ, and 5.9 Limited ZJ is Max's.
> >
> > The caps were already broken like that when I pressed them out, which was
> > pretty easy to do since the entire drive shaft was only eight months old. I
> > still can't believe it didn't let go on me.
> >
> > /Peter
> > ... wagging my finger at myself ...
> >
> > "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> > news:G021c.3479$vG7.2540@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> >
> >>Cool shots. Who's in them? I see the pic on your U-joint. How did the
> >>cups break, and where are your needle bearings? :)
> >>
> >>PeterP wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>A buddy and I met up with Mike Romain in the bush yesterday. He was
> >
> > cooking
> >
> >>>up a gourmet storm as usual when we arrived. We did some mild wheeling
> >
> > in
> >
> >>>the mild weather, it was nice to get out. It was surprisingly hard to
> >
> > plow
> >
> >>>through the shallow snow, but it was very dense, wet snow, almost a
> >
> > slush.
> >
> >>>Unfortunately, Mike broke a hub later in the day, and none of us had a
> >>>spare.
> >>>
> >>>Pix are at
> >>>
> >
> > http://www.storm.ca/~sprocket/wheeli...%20Bush%20Run/.
> >
> >>>I complained about a "mild" driveline vibe yesterday that had started
> >>>showing up late last week. In my infinite wisdom, I was ignoring it, and
> >
> > put
> >
> >>>in three or four hours of highway driving plus the high-rpm low-range
> >
> > snow
> >
> >>>bashing yesterday. The last of the picturs shows what my rearmost
> >
> > driveshaft
> >
> >>>u-joint looked like by the time I got home. I'm amazed it held together.
> >
> > I
> >
> >>>won't be ignoring "mild" vibes any more!
> >>>
> >>>/Peter
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Got CJ7 fixed, anyone want to bush run in Ontario Ca. for acoupledays?
Heh heh, Max 'does' have a lift and mudders....
Actually he did really well, only needed a tug when fooling around on
snowbanks, he did great on the trail with that Grand. I was thinking
that big 360 was going to weigh him down, but nope.
Mike
twaldron wrote:
>
> Ooh, someone didn't lube the u-joint after installing the new
> driveshaft? Heh heh. Well, glad you made it home OK. Doesn't look like
> you had many more miles left before total failure. The trip sure looked
> fun. Looks like Max needs a little lift and some mudders to hang out
> with you guys. :)
>
> PeterP wrote:
>
> > The white CJ-7 is Mike's, mine's the TJ, and 5.9 Limited ZJ is Max's.
> >
> > The caps were already broken like that when I pressed them out, which was
> > pretty easy to do since the entire drive shaft was only eight months old. I
> > still can't believe it didn't let go on me.
> >
> > /Peter
> > ... wagging my finger at myself ...
> >
> > "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> > news:G021c.3479$vG7.2540@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> >
> >>Cool shots. Who's in them? I see the pic on your U-joint. How did the
> >>cups break, and where are your needle bearings? :)
> >>
> >>PeterP wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>A buddy and I met up with Mike Romain in the bush yesterday. He was
> >
> > cooking
> >
> >>>up a gourmet storm as usual when we arrived. We did some mild wheeling
> >
> > in
> >
> >>>the mild weather, it was nice to get out. It was surprisingly hard to
> >
> > plow
> >
> >>>through the shallow snow, but it was very dense, wet snow, almost a
> >
> > slush.
> >
> >>>Unfortunately, Mike broke a hub later in the day, and none of us had a
> >>>spare.
> >>>
> >>>Pix are at
> >>>
> >
> > http://www.storm.ca/~sprocket/wheeli...%20Bush%20Run/.
> >
> >>>I complained about a "mild" driveline vibe yesterday that had started
> >>>showing up late last week. In my infinite wisdom, I was ignoring it, and
> >
> > put
> >
> >>>in three or four hours of highway driving plus the high-rpm low-range
> >
> > snow
> >
> >>>bashing yesterday. The last of the picturs shows what my rearmost
> >
> > driveshaft
> >
> >>>u-joint looked like by the time I got home. I'm amazed it held together.
> >
> > I
> >
> >>>won't be ignoring "mild" vibes any more!
> >>>
> >>>/Peter
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
Actually he did really well, only needed a tug when fooling around on
snowbanks, he did great on the trail with that Grand. I was thinking
that big 360 was going to weigh him down, but nope.
Mike
twaldron wrote:
>
> Ooh, someone didn't lube the u-joint after installing the new
> driveshaft? Heh heh. Well, glad you made it home OK. Doesn't look like
> you had many more miles left before total failure. The trip sure looked
> fun. Looks like Max needs a little lift and some mudders to hang out
> with you guys. :)
>
> PeterP wrote:
>
> > The white CJ-7 is Mike's, mine's the TJ, and 5.9 Limited ZJ is Max's.
> >
> > The caps were already broken like that when I pressed them out, which was
> > pretty easy to do since the entire drive shaft was only eight months old. I
> > still can't believe it didn't let go on me.
> >
> > /Peter
> > ... wagging my finger at myself ...
> >
> > "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> > news:G021c.3479$vG7.2540@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> >
> >>Cool shots. Who's in them? I see the pic on your U-joint. How did the
> >>cups break, and where are your needle bearings? :)
> >>
> >>PeterP wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>A buddy and I met up with Mike Romain in the bush yesterday. He was
> >
> > cooking
> >
> >>>up a gourmet storm as usual when we arrived. We did some mild wheeling
> >
> > in
> >
> >>>the mild weather, it was nice to get out. It was surprisingly hard to
> >
> > plow
> >
> >>>through the shallow snow, but it was very dense, wet snow, almost a
> >
> > slush.
> >
> >>>Unfortunately, Mike broke a hub later in the day, and none of us had a
> >>>spare.
> >>>
> >>>Pix are at
> >>>
> >
> > http://www.storm.ca/~sprocket/wheeli...%20Bush%20Run/.
> >
> >>>I complained about a "mild" driveline vibe yesterday that had started
> >>>showing up late last week. In my infinite wisdom, I was ignoring it, and
> >
> > put
> >
> >>>in three or four hours of highway driving plus the high-rpm low-range
> >
> > snow
> >
> >>>bashing yesterday. The last of the picturs shows what my rearmost
> >
> > driveshaft
> >
> >>>u-joint looked like by the time I got home. I'm amazed it held together.
> >
> > I
> >
> >>>won't be ignoring "mild" vibes any more!
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> >>>/Peter
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> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
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> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
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> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
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> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
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