Re: Frame swap restore for my 86 CJ7
 

Ya I talked to a local welding place, I'd like to plate the frame from
rear crossmember to in front of rear hanger, that's where mine went. This
new frame is 99% better then mine, but still has a hole under one spring
hanger. I could do all this myself but worry about legallities of welding on
my frame, even though like you I have kept my old one together over the last
3 years.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:471387e6$0$5143$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> Are you going to beef up your frame?
>
> I figure I should reinforce all the spots these frames break at before
> there is any damage.
>
> I want to beef up all the spring hanger areas, gusset the front
> crossmember and angle brace and gusset the rear crossmember for anchoring
> the trailer hitch and bumperettes solid.
>
> I am going to stuff the tails with a square tube.
>
> I was thinking on getting some 3/16" plate steel and making a bunch of
> cardboard templates, then renting a cutting torch or plasma cutter if I
> can find one and zip them all off in an afternoon/evening.
>
> Too bad you live so far away....
>
> Mike
>
> Greg wrote:
>> I'll send you some pics of my new frame tomorrow, I'll take a couple of
>> the factory welds. My frame came with wide track, and 4" lift, so I will
>> be swapping over to wide track at the same time, I may do a 9" in the
>> back though.
>>

Re: Frame swap restore for my 86 CJ7
 

I know for a fact you are allowed to weld repairs on a frame in BC. I
built a bungalow for and worked cutting and running a crane in a scrap
yard for a gent over near Courtenay on Vancouver Island. He snapped the
frame on one of his crane trucks and had it plated and welded. I
questioned the legality and found out it was fine to do.

It is also legal in Ontario and Nova Scotia for sure.

I just can't see putting this frame in as is and having to do it all
over again in a few years or having to start the repairs all over again.

All the CJ7 frames seem to blow out in the same places from flexing
because of that inside frame box. Then rust fatigue gets them.

This frame is so pretty though that I hate to chop it up...

Mike

Greg wrote:
> Ya I talked to a local welding place, I'd like to plate the frame from
> rear crossmember to in front of rear hanger, that's where mine went. This
> new frame is 99% better then mine, but still has a hole under one spring
> hanger. I could do all this myself but worry about legallities of welding on
> my frame, even though like you I have kept my old one together over the last
> 3 years.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:471387e6$0$5143$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> Are you going to beef up your frame?
>>
>> I figure I should reinforce all the spots these frames break at before
>> there is any damage.
>>
>> I want to beef up all the spring hanger areas, gusset the front
>> crossmember and angle brace and gusset the rear crossmember for anchoring
>> the trailer hitch and bumperettes solid.
>>
>> I am going to stuff the tails with a square tube.
>>
>> I was thinking on getting some 3/16" plate steel and making a bunch of
>> cardboard templates, then renting a cutting torch or plasma cutter if I
>> can find one and zip them all off in an afternoon/evening.
>>
>> Too bad you live so far away....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Greg wrote:
>>> I'll send you some pics of my new frame tomorrow, I'll take a couple of
>>> the factory welds. My frame came with wide track, and 4" lift, so I will
>>> be swapping over to wide track at the same time, I may do a 9" in the
>>> back though.
>>>
>
>

Re: Frame swap restore for my 86 CJ7
 

I know for a fact you are allowed to weld repairs on a frame in BC. I
built a bungalow for and worked cutting and running a crane in a scrap
yard for a gent over near Courtenay on Vancouver Island. He snapped the
frame on one of his crane trucks and had it plated and welded. I
questioned the legality and found out it was fine to do.

It is also legal in Ontario and Nova Scotia for sure.

I just can't see putting this frame in as is and having to do it all
over again in a few years or having to start the repairs all over again.

All the CJ7 frames seem to blow out in the same places from flexing
because of that inside frame box. Then rust fatigue gets them.

This frame is so pretty though that I hate to chop it up...

Mike

Greg wrote:
> Ya I talked to a local welding place, I'd like to plate the frame from
> rear crossmember to in front of rear hanger, that's where mine went. This
> new frame is 99% better then mine, but still has a hole under one spring
> hanger. I could do all this myself but worry about legallities of welding on
> my frame, even though like you I have kept my old one together over the last
> 3 years.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:471387e6$0$5143$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> Are you going to beef up your frame?
>>
>> I figure I should reinforce all the spots these frames break at before
>> there is any damage.
>>
>> I want to beef up all the spring hanger areas, gusset the front
>> crossmember and angle brace and gusset the rear crossmember for anchoring
>> the trailer hitch and bumperettes solid.
>>
>> I am going to stuff the tails with a square tube.
>>
>> I was thinking on getting some 3/16" plate steel and making a bunch of
>> cardboard templates, then renting a cutting torch or plasma cutter if I
>> can find one and zip them all off in an afternoon/evening.
>>
>> Too bad you live so far away....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Greg wrote:
>>> I'll send you some pics of my new frame tomorrow, I'll take a couple of
>>> the factory welds. My frame came with wide track, and 4" lift, so I will
>>> be swapping over to wide track at the same time, I may do a 9" in the
>>> back though.
>>>
>
>

Re: Frame swap restore for my 86 CJ7
 

I know for a fact you are allowed to weld repairs on a frame in BC. I
built a bungalow for and worked cutting and running a crane in a scrap
yard for a gent over near Courtenay on Vancouver Island. He snapped the
frame on one of his crane trucks and had it plated and welded. I
questioned the legality and found out it was fine to do.

It is also legal in Ontario and Nova Scotia for sure.

I just can't see putting this frame in as is and having to do it all
over again in a few years or having to start the repairs all over again.

All the CJ7 frames seem to blow out in the same places from flexing
because of that inside frame box. Then rust fatigue gets them.

This frame is so pretty though that I hate to chop it up...

Mike

Greg wrote:
> Ya I talked to a local welding place, I'd like to plate the frame from
> rear crossmember to in front of rear hanger, that's where mine went. This
> new frame is 99% better then mine, but still has a hole under one spring
> hanger. I could do all this myself but worry about legallities of welding on
> my frame, even though like you I have kept my old one together over the last
> 3 years.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:471387e6$0$5143$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> Are you going to beef up your frame?
>>
>> I figure I should reinforce all the spots these frames break at before
>> there is any damage.
>>
>> I want to beef up all the spring hanger areas, gusset the front
>> crossmember and angle brace and gusset the rear crossmember for anchoring
>> the trailer hitch and bumperettes solid.
>>
>> I am going to stuff the tails with a square tube.
>>
>> I was thinking on getting some 3/16" plate steel and making a bunch of
>> cardboard templates, then renting a cutting torch or plasma cutter if I
>> can find one and zip them all off in an afternoon/evening.
>>
>> Too bad you live so far away....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Greg wrote:
>>> I'll send you some pics of my new frame tomorrow, I'll take a couple of
>>> the factory welds. My frame came with wide track, and 4" lift, so I will
>>> be swapping over to wide track at the same time, I may do a 9" in the
>>> back though.
>>>
>
>

Re: Frame swap restore for my 86 CJ7
 

Has to be done by a certified welder though to be legal.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4714cb1b$0$31214$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>I know for a fact you are allowed to weld repairs on a frame in BC. I
>built a bungalow for and worked cutting and running a crane in a scrap yard
>for a gent over near Courtenay on Vancouver Island. He snapped the frame
>on one of his crane trucks and had it plated and welded. I questioned the
>legality and found out it was fine to do.
>
> It is also legal in Ontario and Nova Scotia for sure.
>
> I just can't see putting this frame in as is and having to do it all over
> again in a few years or having to start the repairs all over again.
>
> All the CJ7 frames seem to blow out in the same places from flexing
> because of that inside frame box. Then rust fatigue gets them.
>
> This frame is so pretty though that I hate to chop it up...
>
> Mike
>
> Greg wrote:
>> Ya I talked to a local welding place, I'd like to plate the frame from
>> rear crossmember to in front of rear hanger, that's where mine went. This
>> new frame is 99% better then mine, but still has a hole under one spring
>> hanger. I could do all this myself but worry about legallities of welding
>> on my frame, even though like you I have kept my old one together over
>> the last 3 years.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:471387e6$0$5143$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>>> Are you going to beef up your frame?
>>>
>>> I figure I should reinforce all the spots these frames break at before
>>> there is any damage.
>>>
>>> I want to beef up all the spring hanger areas, gusset the front
>>> crossmember and angle brace and gusset the rear crossmember for
>>> anchoring the trailer hitch and bumperettes solid.
>>>
>>> I am going to stuff the tails with a square tube.
>>>
>>> I was thinking on getting some 3/16" plate steel and making a bunch of
>>> cardboard templates, then renting a cutting torch or plasma cutter if I
>>> can find one and zip them all off in an afternoon/evening.
>>>
>>> Too bad you live so far away....
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Greg wrote:
>>>> I'll send you some pics of my new frame tomorrow, I'll take a couple
>>>> of the factory welds. My frame came with wide track, and 4" lift, so I
>>>> will be swapping over to wide track at the same time, I may do a 9" in
>>>> the back though.
>>>>
>>

Re: Frame swap restore for my 86 CJ7
 

Has to be done by a certified welder though to be legal.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4714cb1b$0$31214$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>I know for a fact you are allowed to weld repairs on a frame in BC. I
>built a bungalow for and worked cutting and running a crane in a scrap yard
>for a gent over near Courtenay on Vancouver Island. He snapped the frame
>on one of his crane trucks and had it plated and welded. I questioned the
>legality and found out it was fine to do.
>
> It is also legal in Ontario and Nova Scotia for sure.
>
> I just can't see putting this frame in as is and having to do it all over
> again in a few years or having to start the repairs all over again.
>
> All the CJ7 frames seem to blow out in the same places from flexing
> because of that inside frame box. Then rust fatigue gets them.
>
> This frame is so pretty though that I hate to chop it up...
>
> Mike
>
> Greg wrote:
>> Ya I talked to a local welding place, I'd like to plate the frame from
>> rear crossmember to in front of rear hanger, that's where mine went. This
>> new frame is 99% better then mine, but still has a hole under one spring
>> hanger. I could do all this myself but worry about legallities of welding
>> on my frame, even though like you I have kept my old one together over
>> the last 3 years.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:471387e6$0$5143$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>>> Are you going to beef up your frame?
>>>
>>> I figure I should reinforce all the spots these frames break at before
>>> there is any damage.
>>>
>>> I want to beef up all the spring hanger areas, gusset the front
>>> crossmember and angle brace and gusset the rear crossmember for
>>> anchoring the trailer hitch and bumperettes solid.
>>>
>>> I am going to stuff the tails with a square tube.
>>>
>>> I was thinking on getting some 3/16" plate steel and making a bunch of
>>> cardboard templates, then renting a cutting torch or plasma cutter if I
>>> can find one and zip them all off in an afternoon/evening.
>>>
>>> Too bad you live so far away....
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Greg wrote:
>>>> I'll send you some pics of my new frame tomorrow, I'll take a couple
>>>> of the factory welds. My frame came with wide track, and 4" lift, so I
>>>> will be swapping over to wide track at the same time, I may do a 9" in
>>>> the back though.
>>>>
>>

Re: Frame swap restore for my 86 CJ7
 

Has to be done by a certified welder though to be legal.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4714cb1b$0$31214$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>I know for a fact you are allowed to weld repairs on a frame in BC. I
>built a bungalow for and worked cutting and running a crane in a scrap yard
>for a gent over near Courtenay on Vancouver Island. He snapped the frame
>on one of his crane trucks and had it plated and welded. I questioned the
>legality and found out it was fine to do.
>
> It is also legal in Ontario and Nova Scotia for sure.
>
> I just can't see putting this frame in as is and having to do it all over
> again in a few years or having to start the repairs all over again.
>
> All the CJ7 frames seem to blow out in the same places from flexing
> because of that inside frame box. Then rust fatigue gets them.
>
> This frame is so pretty though that I hate to chop it up...
>
> Mike
>
> Greg wrote:
>> Ya I talked to a local welding place, I'd like to plate the frame from
>> rear crossmember to in front of rear hanger, that's where mine went. This
>> new frame is 99% better then mine, but still has a hole under one spring
>> hanger. I could do all this myself but worry about legallities of welding
>> on my frame, even though like you I have kept my old one together over
>> the last 3 years.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:471387e6$0$5143$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>>> Are you going to beef up your frame?
>>>
>>> I figure I should reinforce all the spots these frames break at before
>>> there is any damage.
>>>
>>> I want to beef up all the spring hanger areas, gusset the front
>>> crossmember and angle brace and gusset the rear crossmember for
>>> anchoring the trailer hitch and bumperettes solid.
>>>
>>> I am going to stuff the tails with a square tube.
>>>
>>> I was thinking on getting some 3/16" plate steel and making a bunch of
>>> cardboard templates, then renting a cutting torch or plasma cutter if I
>>> can find one and zip them all off in an afternoon/evening.
>>>
>>> Too bad you live so far away....
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Greg wrote:
>>>> I'll send you some pics of my new frame tomorrow, I'll take a couple
>>>> of the factory welds. My frame came with wide track, and 4" lift, so I
>>>> will be swapping over to wide track at the same time, I may do a 9" in
>>>> the back though.
>>>>
>>

Re: Frame swap restore for my 86 CJ7
 

We aren't doing 'repairs' though, we are adding 'extra safety features'
to an already safe existing frame with good photographic evidence.

Same with adding custom bumpers or 'nerf' bars, they don't come
'certified', yet they add to the value of the vehicle for insurance
purposes and are legal.

I am not really worried about that. My insurance company is aware of my
modifications from 'way' back and wants a new appraisal once I have the
new frame installed so 'they' like it beefed up just fine.

Mike

Greg wrote:
> Has to be done by a certified welder though to be legal.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4714cb1b$0$31214$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> I know for a fact you are allowed to weld repairs on a frame in BC. I
>> built a bungalow for and worked cutting and running a crane in a scrap yard
>> for a gent over near Courtenay on Vancouver Island. He snapped the frame
>> on one of his crane trucks and had it plated and welded. I questioned the
>> legality and found out it was fine to do.
>>
>> It is also legal in Ontario and Nova Scotia for sure.
>>
>> I just can't see putting this frame in as is and having to do it all over
>> again in a few years or having to start the repairs all over again.
>>
>> All the CJ7 frames seem to blow out in the same places from flexing
>> because of that inside frame box. Then rust fatigue gets them.
>>
>> This frame is so pretty though that I hate to chop it up...
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Greg wrote:
>>> Ya I talked to a local welding place, I'd like to plate the frame from
>>> rear crossmember to in front of rear hanger, that's where mine went. This
>>> new frame is 99% better then mine, but still has a hole under one spring
>>> hanger. I could do all this myself but worry about legallities of welding
>>> on my frame, even though like you I have kept my old one together over
>>> the last 3 years.
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:471387e6$0$5143$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>>>> Are you going to beef up your frame?
>>>>
>>>> I figure I should reinforce all the spots these frames break at before
>>>> there is any damage.
>>>>
>>>> I want to beef up all the spring hanger areas, gusset the front
>>>> crossmember and angle brace and gusset the rear crossmember for
>>>> anchoring the trailer hitch and bumperettes solid.
>>>>
>>>> I am going to stuff the tails with a square tube.
>>>>
>>>> I was thinking on getting some 3/16" plate steel and making a bunch of
>>>> cardboard templates, then renting a cutting torch or plasma cutter if I
>>>> can find one and zip them all off in an afternoon/evening.
>>>>
>>>> Too bad you live so far away....
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> Greg wrote:
>>>>> I'll send you some pics of my new frame tomorrow, I'll take a couple
>>>>> of the factory welds. My frame came with wide track, and 4" lift, so I
>>>>> will be swapping over to wide track at the same time, I may do a 9" in
>>>>> the back though.
>>>>>
>

Re: Frame swap restore for my 86 CJ7
 

We aren't doing 'repairs' though, we are adding 'extra safety features'
to an already safe existing frame with good photographic evidence.

Same with adding custom bumpers or 'nerf' bars, they don't come
'certified', yet they add to the value of the vehicle for insurance
purposes and are legal.

I am not really worried about that. My insurance company is aware of my
modifications from 'way' back and wants a new appraisal once I have the
new frame installed so 'they' like it beefed up just fine.

Mike

Greg wrote:
> Has to be done by a certified welder though to be legal.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4714cb1b$0$31214$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> I know for a fact you are allowed to weld repairs on a frame in BC. I
>> built a bungalow for and worked cutting and running a crane in a scrap yard
>> for a gent over near Courtenay on Vancouver Island. He snapped the frame
>> on one of his crane trucks and had it plated and welded. I questioned the
>> legality and found out it was fine to do.
>>
>> It is also legal in Ontario and Nova Scotia for sure.
>>
>> I just can't see putting this frame in as is and having to do it all over
>> again in a few years or having to start the repairs all over again.
>>
>> All the CJ7 frames seem to blow out in the same places from flexing
>> because of that inside frame box. Then rust fatigue gets them.
>>
>> This frame is so pretty though that I hate to chop it up...
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Greg wrote:
>>> Ya I talked to a local welding place, I'd like to plate the frame from
>>> rear crossmember to in front of rear hanger, that's where mine went. This
>>> new frame is 99% better then mine, but still has a hole under one spring
>>> hanger. I could do all this myself but worry about legallities of welding
>>> on my frame, even though like you I have kept my old one together over
>>> the last 3 years.
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:471387e6$0$5143$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>>>> Are you going to beef up your frame?
>>>>
>>>> I figure I should reinforce all the spots these frames break at before
>>>> there is any damage.
>>>>
>>>> I want to beef up all the spring hanger areas, gusset the front
>>>> crossmember and angle brace and gusset the rear crossmember for
>>>> anchoring the trailer hitch and bumperettes solid.
>>>>
>>>> I am going to stuff the tails with a square tube.
>>>>
>>>> I was thinking on getting some 3/16" plate steel and making a bunch of
>>>> cardboard templates, then renting a cutting torch or plasma cutter if I
>>>> can find one and zip them all off in an afternoon/evening.
>>>>
>>>> Too bad you live so far away....
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> Greg wrote:
>>>>> I'll send you some pics of my new frame tomorrow, I'll take a couple
>>>>> of the factory welds. My frame came with wide track, and 4" lift, so I
>>>>> will be swapping over to wide track at the same time, I may do a 9" in
>>>>> the back though.
>>>>>
>

Re: Frame swap restore for my 86 CJ7
 

We aren't doing 'repairs' though, we are adding 'extra safety features'
to an already safe existing frame with good photographic evidence.

Same with adding custom bumpers or 'nerf' bars, they don't come
'certified', yet they add to the value of the vehicle for insurance
purposes and are legal.

I am not really worried about that. My insurance company is aware of my
modifications from 'way' back and wants a new appraisal once I have the
new frame installed so 'they' like it beefed up just fine.

Mike

Greg wrote:
> Has to be done by a certified welder though to be legal.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4714cb1b$0$31214$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> I know for a fact you are allowed to weld repairs on a frame in BC. I
>> built a bungalow for and worked cutting and running a crane in a scrap yard
>> for a gent over near Courtenay on Vancouver Island. He snapped the frame
>> on one of his crane trucks and had it plated and welded. I questioned the
>> legality and found out it was fine to do.
>>
>> It is also legal in Ontario and Nova Scotia for sure.
>>
>> I just can't see putting this frame in as is and having to do it all over
>> again in a few years or having to start the repairs all over again.
>>
>> All the CJ7 frames seem to blow out in the same places from flexing
>> because of that inside frame box. Then rust fatigue gets them.
>>
>> This frame is so pretty though that I hate to chop it up...
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Greg wrote:
>>> Ya I talked to a local welding place, I'd like to plate the frame from
>>> rear crossmember to in front of rear hanger, that's where mine went. This
>>> new frame is 99% better then mine, but still has a hole under one spring
>>> hanger. I could do all this myself but worry about legallities of welding
>>> on my frame, even though like you I have kept my old one together over
>>> the last 3 years.
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:471387e6$0$5143$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>>>> Are you going to beef up your frame?
>>>>
>>>> I figure I should reinforce all the spots these frames break at before
>>>> there is any damage.
>>>>
>>>> I want to beef up all the spring hanger areas, gusset the front
>>>> crossmember and angle brace and gusset the rear crossmember for
>>>> anchoring the trailer hitch and bumperettes solid.
>>>>
>>>> I am going to stuff the tails with a square tube.
>>>>
>>>> I was thinking on getting some 3/16" plate steel and making a bunch of
>>>> cardboard templates, then renting a cutting torch or plasma cutter if I
>>>> can find one and zip them all off in an afternoon/evening.
>>>>
>>>> Too bad you live so far away....
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> Greg wrote:
>>>>> I'll send you some pics of my new frame tomorrow, I'll take a couple
>>>>> of the factory welds. My frame came with wide track, and 4" lift, so I
>>>>> will be swapping over to wide track at the same time, I may do a 9" in
>>>>> the back though.
>>>>>
>