Followup-- 2000 JGC V-8 still overheating
01-18-2007, 08:28 AM
#281
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Re: Re: Followup-- 2000 JGC V-8 still overheating
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:50:23 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>The problem is the loss of fins due to road salt 'and' a marginal system.
>
>In the Cherokee is is so marginal that a second fan is needed if you
>have AC. Ours doesn't but I just got a parts machine that has 'more'
>but not all of the fins on the rad and it and the second fan I am going
>to move over.
6 cyl Cherokees seem to suffer this problem more. Part of the reason
is the shoe horn fit from factory of a long inline 6 in a vehicle that
was not originally designed for it. My wife has a 4 cyl Cherokee and
it never even thinks about loossing its cool. Granted it has less
power but it also has room for a bigger and more efficent clutch fan
and a effective shroud too. If you plan on keeping it for a while I
would strongly suggest a custom raditor with a thicker core for it.
You may even be able to get you current "tanks" recored.
>My CJ7, well...., I have too much stuff out front, a winch and Hella
>lights and need a V8 3 core rad instead of the 'marginal' stock 2 core
>one. When I can't fix that rad anymore, (have snapped it in half twice)
>I will go with the bigger one, otherwise I keep the speed down below 75
>mph on hot days...
I would agree with atleast a 3 core here but you might also consider
installing a flex fan in place of clutch fan in warmer month. It will
add a bit more noise but it will keep your engine cooler in any
senerio because it will maintain positive air flow at all time. YOu
could also consider this for your Cherokee to because if you did on
that you could even scrap the extra electric fan with its air flow
blockage.
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TheSnoMan.com
wrote:
>The problem is the loss of fins due to road salt 'and' a marginal system.
>
>In the Cherokee is is so marginal that a second fan is needed if you
>have AC. Ours doesn't but I just got a parts machine that has 'more'
>but not all of the fins on the rad and it and the second fan I am going
>to move over.
6 cyl Cherokees seem to suffer this problem more. Part of the reason
is the shoe horn fit from factory of a long inline 6 in a vehicle that
was not originally designed for it. My wife has a 4 cyl Cherokee and
it never even thinks about loossing its cool. Granted it has less
power but it also has room for a bigger and more efficent clutch fan
and a effective shroud too. If you plan on keeping it for a while I
would strongly suggest a custom raditor with a thicker core for it.
You may even be able to get you current "tanks" recored.
>My CJ7, well...., I have too much stuff out front, a winch and Hella
>lights and need a V8 3 core rad instead of the 'marginal' stock 2 core
>one. When I can't fix that rad anymore, (have snapped it in half twice)
>I will go with the bigger one, otherwise I keep the speed down below 75
>mph on hot days...
I would agree with atleast a 3 core here but you might also consider
installing a flex fan in place of clutch fan in warmer month. It will
add a bit more noise but it will keep your engine cooler in any
senerio because it will maintain positive air flow at all time. YOu
could also consider this for your Cherokee to because if you did on
that you could even scrap the extra electric fan with its air flow
blockage.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
01-18-2007, 08:31 AM
#282
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Followup-- 2000 JGC V-8 still overheating
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:04:48 GMT, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
<vwdoc1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I wonder if the factory even knows when they say "LIFETIME"! lol
>I guess it means it will last until you need to replace it! ;-)
To them "lifetime" is service life of maybe 3 to 5 years after which
they want you to buy a new vehicle.
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TheSnoMan.com
<vwdoc1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I wonder if the factory even knows when they say "LIFETIME"! lol
>I guess it means it will last until you need to replace it! ;-)
To them "lifetime" is service life of maybe 3 to 5 years after which
they want you to buy a new vehicle.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
01-18-2007, 08:31 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Followup-- 2000 JGC V-8 still overheating
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:04:48 GMT, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
<vwdoc1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I wonder if the factory even knows when they say "LIFETIME"! lol
>I guess it means it will last until you need to replace it! ;-)
To them "lifetime" is service life of maybe 3 to 5 years after which
they want you to buy a new vehicle.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
<vwdoc1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I wonder if the factory even knows when they say "LIFETIME"! lol
>I guess it means it will last until you need to replace it! ;-)
To them "lifetime" is service life of maybe 3 to 5 years after which
they want you to buy a new vehicle.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
01-18-2007, 08:31 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Followup-- 2000 JGC V-8 still overheating
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:04:48 GMT, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
<vwdoc1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I wonder if the factory even knows when they say "LIFETIME"! lol
>I guess it means it will last until you need to replace it! ;-)
To them "lifetime" is service life of maybe 3 to 5 years after which
they want you to buy a new vehicle.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
<vwdoc1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I wonder if the factory even knows when they say "LIFETIME"! lol
>I guess it means it will last until you need to replace it! ;-)
To them "lifetime" is service life of maybe 3 to 5 years after which
they want you to buy a new vehicle.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
01-18-2007, 08:31 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Followup-- 2000 JGC V-8 still overheating
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:04:48 GMT, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
<vwdoc1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I wonder if the factory even knows when they say "LIFETIME"! lol
>I guess it means it will last until you need to replace it! ;-)
To them "lifetime" is service life of maybe 3 to 5 years after which
they want you to buy a new vehicle.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
<vwdoc1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I wonder if the factory even knows when they say "LIFETIME"! lol
>I guess it means it will last until you need to replace it! ;-)
To them "lifetime" is service life of maybe 3 to 5 years after which
they want you to buy a new vehicle.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
01-18-2007, 10:13 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Followup-- 2000 JGC V-8 still overheating
I am talking about people who do whatever the dealer or mechanic tells them
is good for the car. There seem to be a lot more than you think. It's all
in the back of the owner's manual. Now I agree that there shops where they
know what is good for your vehicle better than the manufacturer, but how do
they know that?
As "dave AKA vwdoc1" points out, some manufacturers are advocating insanely
long oil change intervals now. As one of my neighbors recently found out,
this is only good for decreasing the service life of the engine.
Earle
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:PL6dnZplOJ-uZTPYnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@comcast.com...
> How many of those people change thier diff lube, coolant, power steering
> fluid, brake fluid, ect on time?
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
> news:45aef593$0$7826$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >I don't know where you get your information but I know plenty of people
who
> > take their vehicles in for 3000 mile oil changes and whatever it says in
> > the
> > owner's manual or what their favorite mechanic can sell them on. I
would
> > agree with "most" but "99%" seems like an exaggeration. There are
systems
> > and parts that are designed to last the normal life of the vehicle too.
> > The
> > radiator is one of them. Living near the ocean, overheating the engine,
> > not
> > replacing hoses and putting strange mixtures of coolants can shorten
this
> > considerably.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> > news:cqKdneJyyOn2RDPYnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> I belive that's what I said. Your vehicleS are an exception, because
they
> >> are maintained. 99% of vehicles on the road are NOT properly maintined.
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> >> news:oj8sq2lhgvrjdgiqkeqrariupfhidhr6gh@4ax.com...
> >> > On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:24:34 -0800, "Carl"
> >> > <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>With average maintenance, at 120K a radiator is usually ready to be
> >> >>replaced. Your vehicles are the exception, not the rule.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > They all are then because none of them are bad. The rule is if you
> >> > properly maintian them they will last the life of vehicle barring
> >> > damge from impact. I have seen radiator fail in far few miles than
> >> > 120K that were not properly maintained and age seem to be a bigger
> >> > factor than miles too with improper maintainance because the water is
> >> > reacting with it when it is just sitting there.
> >> > -----------------
> >> > TheSnoMan.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
is good for the car. There seem to be a lot more than you think. It's all
in the back of the owner's manual. Now I agree that there shops where they
know what is good for your vehicle better than the manufacturer, but how do
they know that?
As "dave AKA vwdoc1" points out, some manufacturers are advocating insanely
long oil change intervals now. As one of my neighbors recently found out,
this is only good for decreasing the service life of the engine.
Earle
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:PL6dnZplOJ-uZTPYnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@comcast.com...
> How many of those people change thier diff lube, coolant, power steering
> fluid, brake fluid, ect on time?
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
> news:45aef593$0$7826$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >I don't know where you get your information but I know plenty of people
who
> > take their vehicles in for 3000 mile oil changes and whatever it says in
> > the
> > owner's manual or what their favorite mechanic can sell them on. I
would
> > agree with "most" but "99%" seems like an exaggeration. There are
systems
> > and parts that are designed to last the normal life of the vehicle too.
> > The
> > radiator is one of them. Living near the ocean, overheating the engine,
> > not
> > replacing hoses and putting strange mixtures of coolants can shorten
this
> > considerably.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> > news:cqKdneJyyOn2RDPYnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> I belive that's what I said. Your vehicleS are an exception, because
they
> >> are maintained. 99% of vehicles on the road are NOT properly maintined.
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> >> news:oj8sq2lhgvrjdgiqkeqrariupfhidhr6gh@4ax.com...
> >> > On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:24:34 -0800, "Carl"
> >> > <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>With average maintenance, at 120K a radiator is usually ready to be
> >> >>replaced. Your vehicles are the exception, not the rule.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > They all are then because none of them are bad. The rule is if you
> >> > properly maintian them they will last the life of vehicle barring
> >> > damge from impact. I have seen radiator fail in far few miles than
> >> > 120K that were not properly maintained and age seem to be a bigger
> >> > factor than miles too with improper maintainance because the water is
> >> > reacting with it when it is just sitting there.
> >> > -----------------
> >> > TheSnoMan.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
01-18-2007, 10:13 AM
#287
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Re: Re: Re: Followup-- 2000 JGC V-8 still overheating
I am talking about people who do whatever the dealer or mechanic tells them
is good for the car. There seem to be a lot more than you think. It's all
in the back of the owner's manual. Now I agree that there shops where they
know what is good for your vehicle better than the manufacturer, but how do
they know that?
As "dave AKA vwdoc1" points out, some manufacturers are advocating insanely
long oil change intervals now. As one of my neighbors recently found out,
this is only good for decreasing the service life of the engine.
Earle
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:PL6dnZplOJ-uZTPYnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@comcast.com...
> How many of those people change thier diff lube, coolant, power steering
> fluid, brake fluid, ect on time?
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
> news:45aef593$0$7826$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >I don't know where you get your information but I know plenty of people
who
> > take their vehicles in for 3000 mile oil changes and whatever it says in
> > the
> > owner's manual or what their favorite mechanic can sell them on. I
would
> > agree with "most" but "99%" seems like an exaggeration. There are
systems
> > and parts that are designed to last the normal life of the vehicle too.
> > The
> > radiator is one of them. Living near the ocean, overheating the engine,
> > not
> > replacing hoses and putting strange mixtures of coolants can shorten
this
> > considerably.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> > news:cqKdneJyyOn2RDPYnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> I belive that's what I said. Your vehicleS are an exception, because
they
> >> are maintained. 99% of vehicles on the road are NOT properly maintined.
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> >> news:oj8sq2lhgvrjdgiqkeqrariupfhidhr6gh@4ax.com...
> >> > On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:24:34 -0800, "Carl"
> >> > <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>With average maintenance, at 120K a radiator is usually ready to be
> >> >>replaced. Your vehicles are the exception, not the rule.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > They all are then because none of them are bad. The rule is if you
> >> > properly maintian them they will last the life of vehicle barring
> >> > damge from impact. I have seen radiator fail in far few miles than
> >> > 120K that were not properly maintained and age seem to be a bigger
> >> > factor than miles too with improper maintainance because the water is
> >> > reacting with it when it is just sitting there.
> >> > -----------------
> >> > TheSnoMan.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
is good for the car. There seem to be a lot more than you think. It's all
in the back of the owner's manual. Now I agree that there shops where they
know what is good for your vehicle better than the manufacturer, but how do
they know that?
As "dave AKA vwdoc1" points out, some manufacturers are advocating insanely
long oil change intervals now. As one of my neighbors recently found out,
this is only good for decreasing the service life of the engine.
Earle
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:PL6dnZplOJ-uZTPYnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@comcast.com...
> How many of those people change thier diff lube, coolant, power steering
> fluid, brake fluid, ect on time?
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
> news:45aef593$0$7826$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >I don't know where you get your information but I know plenty of people
who
> > take their vehicles in for 3000 mile oil changes and whatever it says in
> > the
> > owner's manual or what their favorite mechanic can sell them on. I
would
> > agree with "most" but "99%" seems like an exaggeration. There are
systems
> > and parts that are designed to last the normal life of the vehicle too.
> > The
> > radiator is one of them. Living near the ocean, overheating the engine,
> > not
> > replacing hoses and putting strange mixtures of coolants can shorten
this
> > considerably.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> > news:cqKdneJyyOn2RDPYnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> I belive that's what I said. Your vehicleS are an exception, because
they
> >> are maintained. 99% of vehicles on the road are NOT properly maintined.
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> >> news:oj8sq2lhgvrjdgiqkeqrariupfhidhr6gh@4ax.com...
> >> > On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:24:34 -0800, "Carl"
> >> > <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>With average maintenance, at 120K a radiator is usually ready to be
> >> >>replaced. Your vehicles are the exception, not the rule.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > They all are then because none of them are bad. The rule is if you
> >> > properly maintian them they will last the life of vehicle barring
> >> > damge from impact. I have seen radiator fail in far few miles than
> >> > 120K that were not properly maintained and age seem to be a bigger
> >> > factor than miles too with improper maintainance because the water is
> >> > reacting with it when it is just sitting there.
> >> > -----------------
> >> > TheSnoMan.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
01-18-2007, 10:13 AM
#288
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Re: Re: Re: Followup-- 2000 JGC V-8 still overheating
I am talking about people who do whatever the dealer or mechanic tells them
is good for the car. There seem to be a lot more than you think. It's all
in the back of the owner's manual. Now I agree that there shops where they
know what is good for your vehicle better than the manufacturer, but how do
they know that?
As "dave AKA vwdoc1" points out, some manufacturers are advocating insanely
long oil change intervals now. As one of my neighbors recently found out,
this is only good for decreasing the service life of the engine.
Earle
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:PL6dnZplOJ-uZTPYnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@comcast.com...
> How many of those people change thier diff lube, coolant, power steering
> fluid, brake fluid, ect on time?
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
> news:45aef593$0$7826$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >I don't know where you get your information but I know plenty of people
who
> > take their vehicles in for 3000 mile oil changes and whatever it says in
> > the
> > owner's manual or what their favorite mechanic can sell them on. I
would
> > agree with "most" but "99%" seems like an exaggeration. There are
systems
> > and parts that are designed to last the normal life of the vehicle too.
> > The
> > radiator is one of them. Living near the ocean, overheating the engine,
> > not
> > replacing hoses and putting strange mixtures of coolants can shorten
this
> > considerably.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> > news:cqKdneJyyOn2RDPYnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> I belive that's what I said. Your vehicleS are an exception, because
they
> >> are maintained. 99% of vehicles on the road are NOT properly maintined.
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> >> news:oj8sq2lhgvrjdgiqkeqrariupfhidhr6gh@4ax.com...
> >> > On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:24:34 -0800, "Carl"
> >> > <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>With average maintenance, at 120K a radiator is usually ready to be
> >> >>replaced. Your vehicles are the exception, not the rule.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > They all are then because none of them are bad. The rule is if you
> >> > properly maintian them they will last the life of vehicle barring
> >> > damge from impact. I have seen radiator fail in far few miles than
> >> > 120K that were not properly maintained and age seem to be a bigger
> >> > factor than miles too with improper maintainance because the water is
> >> > reacting with it when it is just sitting there.
> >> > -----------------
> >> > TheSnoMan.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
is good for the car. There seem to be a lot more than you think. It's all
in the back of the owner's manual. Now I agree that there shops where they
know what is good for your vehicle better than the manufacturer, but how do
they know that?
As "dave AKA vwdoc1" points out, some manufacturers are advocating insanely
long oil change intervals now. As one of my neighbors recently found out,
this is only good for decreasing the service life of the engine.
Earle
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:PL6dnZplOJ-uZTPYnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@comcast.com...
> How many of those people change thier diff lube, coolant, power steering
> fluid, brake fluid, ect on time?
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
> news:45aef593$0$7826$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >I don't know where you get your information but I know plenty of people
who
> > take their vehicles in for 3000 mile oil changes and whatever it says in
> > the
> > owner's manual or what their favorite mechanic can sell them on. I
would
> > agree with "most" but "99%" seems like an exaggeration. There are
systems
> > and parts that are designed to last the normal life of the vehicle too.
> > The
> > radiator is one of them. Living near the ocean, overheating the engine,
> > not
> > replacing hoses and putting strange mixtures of coolants can shorten
this
> > considerably.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> > news:cqKdneJyyOn2RDPYnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> I belive that's what I said. Your vehicleS are an exception, because
they
> >> are maintained. 99% of vehicles on the road are NOT properly maintined.
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> >> news:oj8sq2lhgvrjdgiqkeqrariupfhidhr6gh@4ax.com...
> >> > On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:24:34 -0800, "Carl"
> >> > <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>With average maintenance, at 120K a radiator is usually ready to be
> >> >>replaced. Your vehicles are the exception, not the rule.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > They all are then because none of them are bad. The rule is if you
> >> > properly maintian them they will last the life of vehicle barring
> >> > damge from impact. I have seen radiator fail in far few miles than
> >> > 120K that were not properly maintained and age seem to be a bigger
> >> > factor than miles too with improper maintainance because the water is
> >> > reacting with it when it is just sitting there.
> >> > -----------------
> >> > TheSnoMan.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
01-18-2007, 10:13 AM
#289
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Re: Re: Followup-- 2000 JGC V-8 still overheating
I am talking about people who do whatever the dealer or mechanic tells them
is good for the car. There seem to be a lot more than you think. It's all
in the back of the owner's manual. Now I agree that there shops where they
know what is good for your vehicle better than the manufacturer, but how do
they know that?
As "dave AKA vwdoc1" points out, some manufacturers are advocating insanely
long oil change intervals now. As one of my neighbors recently found out,
this is only good for decreasing the service life of the engine.
Earle
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:PL6dnZplOJ-uZTPYnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@comcast.com...
> How many of those people change thier diff lube, coolant, power steering
> fluid, brake fluid, ect on time?
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
> news:45aef593$0$7826$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >I don't know where you get your information but I know plenty of people
who
> > take their vehicles in for 3000 mile oil changes and whatever it says in
> > the
> > owner's manual or what their favorite mechanic can sell them on. I
would
> > agree with "most" but "99%" seems like an exaggeration. There are
systems
> > and parts that are designed to last the normal life of the vehicle too.
> > The
> > radiator is one of them. Living near the ocean, overheating the engine,
> > not
> > replacing hoses and putting strange mixtures of coolants can shorten
this
> > considerably.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> > news:cqKdneJyyOn2RDPYnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> I belive that's what I said. Your vehicleS are an exception, because
they
> >> are maintained. 99% of vehicles on the road are NOT properly maintined.
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> >> news:oj8sq2lhgvrjdgiqkeqrariupfhidhr6gh@4ax.com...
> >> > On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:24:34 -0800, "Carl"
> >> > <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>With average maintenance, at 120K a radiator is usually ready to be
> >> >>replaced. Your vehicles are the exception, not the rule.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > They all are then because none of them are bad. The rule is if you
> >> > properly maintian them they will last the life of vehicle barring
> >> > damge from impact. I have seen radiator fail in far few miles than
> >> > 120K that were not properly maintained and age seem to be a bigger
> >> > factor than miles too with improper maintainance because the water is
> >> > reacting with it when it is just sitting there.
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> >> > TheSnoMan.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
is good for the car. There seem to be a lot more than you think. It's all
in the back of the owner's manual. Now I agree that there shops where they
know what is good for your vehicle better than the manufacturer, but how do
they know that?
As "dave AKA vwdoc1" points out, some manufacturers are advocating insanely
long oil change intervals now. As one of my neighbors recently found out,
this is only good for decreasing the service life of the engine.
Earle
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
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> How many of those people change thier diff lube, coolant, power steering
> fluid, brake fluid, ect on time?
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
> news:45aef593$0$7826$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >I don't know where you get your information but I know plenty of people
who
> > take their vehicles in for 3000 mile oil changes and whatever it says in
> > the
> > owner's manual or what their favorite mechanic can sell them on. I
would
> > agree with "most" but "99%" seems like an exaggeration. There are
systems
> > and parts that are designed to last the normal life of the vehicle too.
> > The
> > radiator is one of them. Living near the ocean, overheating the engine,
> > not
> > replacing hoses and putting strange mixtures of coolants can shorten
this
> > considerably.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> > news:cqKdneJyyOn2RDPYnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> I belive that's what I said. Your vehicleS are an exception, because
they
> >> are maintained. 99% of vehicles on the road are NOT properly maintined.
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> >> news:oj8sq2lhgvrjdgiqkeqrariupfhidhr6gh@4ax.com...
> >> > On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:24:34 -0800, "Carl"
> >> > <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>With average maintenance, at 120K a radiator is usually ready to be
> >> >>replaced. Your vehicles are the exception, not the rule.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > They all are then because none of them are bad. The rule is if you
> >> > properly maintian them they will last the life of vehicle barring
> >> > damge from impact. I have seen radiator fail in far few miles than
> >> > 120K that were not properly maintained and age seem to be a bigger
> >> > factor than miles too with improper maintainance because the water is
> >> > reacting with it when it is just sitting there.
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> >> > TheSnoMan.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
01-18-2007, 10:23 AM
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Re: Re: Followup-- 2000 JGC V-8 still overheating
The trouble with a flex fan is if you hit mud or deep water its going
EVERYWHERE and probably going to damage the fan.
Carl
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:50:23 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>The problem is the loss of fins due to road salt 'and' a marginal system.
>>
>>In the Cherokee is is so marginal that a second fan is needed if you
>>have AC. Ours doesn't but I just got a parts machine that has 'more'
>>but not all of the fins on the rad and it and the second fan I am going
>>to move over.
>
> 6 cyl Cherokees seem to suffer this problem more. Part of the reason
> is the shoe horn fit from factory of a long inline 6 in a vehicle that
> was not originally designed for it. My wife has a 4 cyl Cherokee and
> it never even thinks about loossing its cool. Granted it has less
> power but it also has room for a bigger and more efficent clutch fan
> and a effective shroud too. If you plan on keeping it for a while I
> would strongly suggest a custom raditor with a thicker core for it.
> You may even be able to get you current "tanks" recored.
>
>
>>My CJ7, well...., I have too much stuff out front, a winch and Hella
>>lights and need a V8 3 core rad instead of the 'marginal' stock 2 core
>>one. When I can't fix that rad anymore, (have snapped it in half twice)
>>I will go with the bigger one, otherwise I keep the speed down below 75
>>mph on hot days...
>
> I would agree with atleast a 3 core here but you might also consider
> installing a flex fan in place of clutch fan in warmer month. It will
> add a bit more noise but it will keep your engine cooler in any
> senerio because it will maintain positive air flow at all time. YOu
> could also consider this for your Cherokee to because if you did on
> that you could even scrap the extra electric fan with its air flow
> blockage.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
EVERYWHERE and probably going to damage the fan.
Carl
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:50:23 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>The problem is the loss of fins due to road salt 'and' a marginal system.
>>
>>In the Cherokee is is so marginal that a second fan is needed if you
>>have AC. Ours doesn't but I just got a parts machine that has 'more'
>>but not all of the fins on the rad and it and the second fan I am going
>>to move over.
>
> 6 cyl Cherokees seem to suffer this problem more. Part of the reason
> is the shoe horn fit from factory of a long inline 6 in a vehicle that
> was not originally designed for it. My wife has a 4 cyl Cherokee and
> it never even thinks about loossing its cool. Granted it has less
> power but it also has room for a bigger and more efficent clutch fan
> and a effective shroud too. If you plan on keeping it for a while I
> would strongly suggest a custom raditor with a thicker core for it.
> You may even be able to get you current "tanks" recored.
>
>
>>My CJ7, well...., I have too much stuff out front, a winch and Hella
>>lights and need a V8 3 core rad instead of the 'marginal' stock 2 core
>>one. When I can't fix that rad anymore, (have snapped it in half twice)
>>I will go with the bigger one, otherwise I keep the speed down below 75
>>mph on hot days...
>
> I would agree with atleast a 3 core here but you might also consider
> installing a flex fan in place of clutch fan in warmer month. It will
> add a bit more noise but it will keep your engine cooler in any
> senerio because it will maintain positive air flow at all time. YOu
> could also consider this for your Cherokee to because if you did on
> that you could even scrap the extra electric fan with its air flow
> blockage.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com