Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Did you check it before or after the filter?

Gas needs to come out the center filter outlet. Best to take off the
filter and try to blow through it while plugging the top or smaller
outlet with your finger to see if the filter is ok.

The top outlet goes to the return line. If the return line isn't at the
top, it could have airlocked the line.

I would try tossing a 1/4 cup of gas down the carb and see what happens.

If it runs but won't idle, the idle circuit got plugged with junk.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Dave wrote:
>
> I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
> it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
> I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
> Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
> mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
> could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
> without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
> (for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?
>
> The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?
>
> Suggestions please.
>
> Thanks
>
> DP
>
> prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> >
> > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> >
> > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > getting enough gas. It looks
> > really wet in the carb.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> >
> > DP
> > 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Ok..... new problem.... sort of.

I was able to get it to start yesterday (after some banging with a
screwdrive on the inlet valve) and drove it around for a couple hours
with no problems. I think the needle and seat may have been sticking.
Today presents a new problem........

Today, I tried starting it (gave it a couple pumps of gas). It ran
for about 20 seconds and then died (which is typical if I don't keep
on the gas enough, cause my choke isn't properly calibrated). I tried
re-starting and can't get it going. I tried both started without
pumping the gas (and of course with a couple pumps). Gas IS
definately getting to the carb and I even tried started fluid (which
didn't help at all). Could my distributor not be working properly, or
could it not be spaking strong enough (worn plugs???). Once it heats
up, she runs real strong. But getting it to run recently has been a
challenge. Again, I just moved to a cold climate (from southern
Califonia) and these problem didn't really exist before.

Does temperature have any effect on the amount of spark generated?
What are the tell-tale signs of needing to replace my distribtor?

Thanks all.....

Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3FAD574A.D58360DA@sympatico.ca>...
> Did you check it before or after the filter?
>
> Gas needs to come out the center filter outlet. Best to take off the
> filter and try to blow through it while plugging the top or smaller
> outlet with your finger to see if the filter is ok.
>
> The top outlet goes to the return line. If the return line isn't at the
> top, it could have airlocked the line.
>
> I would try tossing a 1/4 cup of gas down the carb and see what happens.
>
> If it runs but won't idle, the idle circuit got plugged with junk.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Dave wrote:
> >
> > I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
> > it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
> > I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
> > Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
> > mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
> > could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
> > without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
> > (for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?
> >
> > The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?
> >
> > Suggestions please.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > DP
> >
> > prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> > > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> > >
> > > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> > >
> > > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > > getting enough gas. It looks
> > > really wet in the carb.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
> > >
> > >
> > > DP
> > > 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Ok..... new problem.... sort of.

I was able to get it to start yesterday (after some banging with a
screwdrive on the inlet valve) and drove it around for a couple hours
with no problems. I think the needle and seat may have been sticking.
Today presents a new problem........

Today, I tried starting it (gave it a couple pumps of gas). It ran
for about 20 seconds and then died (which is typical if I don't keep
on the gas enough, cause my choke isn't properly calibrated). I tried
re-starting and can't get it going. I tried both started without
pumping the gas (and of course with a couple pumps). Gas IS
definately getting to the carb and I even tried started fluid (which
didn't help at all). Could my distributor not be working properly, or
could it not be spaking strong enough (worn plugs???). Once it heats
up, she runs real strong. But getting it to run recently has been a
challenge. Again, I just moved to a cold climate (from southern
Califonia) and these problem didn't really exist before.

Does temperature have any effect on the amount of spark generated?
What are the tell-tale signs of needing to replace my distribtor?

Thanks all.....

Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3FAD574A.D58360DA@sympatico.ca>...
> Did you check it before or after the filter?
>
> Gas needs to come out the center filter outlet. Best to take off the
> filter and try to blow through it while plugging the top or smaller
> outlet with your finger to see if the filter is ok.
>
> The top outlet goes to the return line. If the return line isn't at the
> top, it could have airlocked the line.
>
> I would try tossing a 1/4 cup of gas down the carb and see what happens.
>
> If it runs but won't idle, the idle circuit got plugged with junk.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Dave wrote:
> >
> > I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
> > it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
> > I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
> > Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
> > mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
> > could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
> > without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
> > (for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?
> >
> > The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?
> >
> > Suggestions please.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > DP
> >
> > prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> > > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> > >
> > > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> > >
> > > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > > getting enough gas. It looks
> > > really wet in the carb.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
> > >
> > >
> > > DP
> > > 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Ok..... new problem.... sort of.

I was able to get it to start yesterday (after some banging with a
screwdrive on the inlet valve) and drove it around for a couple hours
with no problems. I think the needle and seat may have been sticking.
Today presents a new problem........

Today, I tried starting it (gave it a couple pumps of gas). It ran
for about 20 seconds and then died (which is typical if I don't keep
on the gas enough, cause my choke isn't properly calibrated). I tried
re-starting and can't get it going. I tried both started without
pumping the gas (and of course with a couple pumps). Gas IS
definately getting to the carb and I even tried started fluid (which
didn't help at all). Could my distributor not be working properly, or
could it not be spaking strong enough (worn plugs???). Once it heats
up, she runs real strong. But getting it to run recently has been a
challenge. Again, I just moved to a cold climate (from southern
Califonia) and these problem didn't really exist before.

Does temperature have any effect on the amount of spark generated?
What are the tell-tale signs of needing to replace my distribtor?

Thanks all.....

Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3FAD574A.D58360DA@sympatico.ca>...
> Did you check it before or after the filter?
>
> Gas needs to come out the center filter outlet. Best to take off the
> filter and try to blow through it while plugging the top or smaller
> outlet with your finger to see if the filter is ok.
>
> The top outlet goes to the return line. If the return line isn't at the
> top, it could have airlocked the line.
>
> I would try tossing a 1/4 cup of gas down the carb and see what happens.
>
> If it runs but won't idle, the idle circuit got plugged with junk.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Dave wrote:
> >
> > I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
> > it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
> > I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
> > Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
> > mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
> > could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
> > without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
> > (for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?
> >
> > The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?
> >
> > Suggestions please.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > DP
> >
> > prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> > > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> > >
> > > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> > >
> > > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > > getting enough gas. It looks
> > > really wet in the carb.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
> > >
> > >
> > > DP
> > > 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

I would check the distributor cap and rotor and plugs first. Then the
connection on the coil. That Ford plug thing has nasty tendencies to go
bad. The clips inside lose their spring.

There also is a small wire on the side of the solenoid that needs
cleaning now and then. This wire provides power to the coil when the
starter is turning.

If it has weak spark and floods, lots of times the plugs have to be
removed and cleaned before it will start normally again. The raw gas
dissolves carbon and can cause carbon bridges across the spark plug
gap. I have seen and heard of this several times on those engines.

A bad ground to the body can cause strange things. If the grounds
aren't good, the starter can 'steal' all the power not leaving enough
for the electronics to generate a spark.

Mike


Dave wrote:
>
> Ok..... new problem.... sort of.
>
> I was able to get it to start yesterday (after some banging with a
> screwdrive on the inlet valve) and drove it around for a couple hours
> with no problems. I think the needle and seat may have been sticking.
> Today presents a new problem........
>
> Today, I tried starting it (gave it a couple pumps of gas). It ran
> for about 20 seconds and then died (which is typical if I don't keep
> on the gas enough, cause my choke isn't properly calibrated). I tried
> re-starting and can't get it going. I tried both started without
> pumping the gas (and of course with a couple pumps). Gas IS
> definately getting to the carb and I even tried started fluid (which
> didn't help at all). Could my distributor not be working properly, or
> could it not be spaking strong enough (worn plugs???). Once it heats
> up, she runs real strong. But getting it to run recently has been a
> challenge. Again, I just moved to a cold climate (from southern
> Califonia) and these problem didn't really exist before.
>
> Does temperature have any effect on the amount of spark generated?
> What are the tell-tale signs of needing to replace my distribtor?
>
> Thanks all.....
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3FAD574A.D58360DA@sympatico.ca>...
> > Did you check it before or after the filter?
> >
> > Gas needs to come out the center filter outlet. Best to take off the
> > filter and try to blow through it while plugging the top or smaller
> > outlet with your finger to see if the filter is ok.
> >
> > The top outlet goes to the return line. If the return line isn't at the
> > top, it could have airlocked the line.
> >
> > I would try tossing a 1/4 cup of gas down the carb and see what happens.
> >
> > If it runs but won't idle, the idle circuit got plugged with junk.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Dave wrote:
> > >
> > > I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
> > > it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
> > > I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
> > > Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
> > > mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
> > > could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
> > > without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
> > > (for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?
> > >
> > > The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?
> > >
> > > Suggestions please.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > DP
> > >
> > > prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> > > > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> > > >
> > > > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > > > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> > > >
> > > > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > > > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > > > getting enough gas. It looks
> > > > really wet in the carb.
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > DP
> > > > 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

I would check the distributor cap and rotor and plugs first. Then the
connection on the coil. That Ford plug thing has nasty tendencies to go
bad. The clips inside lose their spring.

There also is a small wire on the side of the solenoid that needs
cleaning now and then. This wire provides power to the coil when the
starter is turning.

If it has weak spark and floods, lots of times the plugs have to be
removed and cleaned before it will start normally again. The raw gas
dissolves carbon and can cause carbon bridges across the spark plug
gap. I have seen and heard of this several times on those engines.

A bad ground to the body can cause strange things. If the grounds
aren't good, the starter can 'steal' all the power not leaving enough
for the electronics to generate a spark.

Mike


Dave wrote:
>
> Ok..... new problem.... sort of.
>
> I was able to get it to start yesterday (after some banging with a
> screwdrive on the inlet valve) and drove it around for a couple hours
> with no problems. I think the needle and seat may have been sticking.
> Today presents a new problem........
>
> Today, I tried starting it (gave it a couple pumps of gas). It ran
> for about 20 seconds and then died (which is typical if I don't keep
> on the gas enough, cause my choke isn't properly calibrated). I tried
> re-starting and can't get it going. I tried both started without
> pumping the gas (and of course with a couple pumps). Gas IS
> definately getting to the carb and I even tried started fluid (which
> didn't help at all). Could my distributor not be working properly, or
> could it not be spaking strong enough (worn plugs???). Once it heats
> up, she runs real strong. But getting it to run recently has been a
> challenge. Again, I just moved to a cold climate (from southern
> Califonia) and these problem didn't really exist before.
>
> Does temperature have any effect on the amount of spark generated?
> What are the tell-tale signs of needing to replace my distribtor?
>
> Thanks all.....
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3FAD574A.D58360DA@sympatico.ca>...
> > Did you check it before or after the filter?
> >
> > Gas needs to come out the center filter outlet. Best to take off the
> > filter and try to blow through it while plugging the top or smaller
> > outlet with your finger to see if the filter is ok.
> >
> > The top outlet goes to the return line. If the return line isn't at the
> > top, it could have airlocked the line.
> >
> > I would try tossing a 1/4 cup of gas down the carb and see what happens.
> >
> > If it runs but won't idle, the idle circuit got plugged with junk.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Dave wrote:
> > >
> > > I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
> > > it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
> > > I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
> > > Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
> > > mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
> > > could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
> > > without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
> > > (for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?
> > >
> > > The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?
> > >
> > > Suggestions please.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > DP
> > >
> > > prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> > > > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> > > >
> > > > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > > > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> > > >
> > > > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > > > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > > > getting enough gas. It looks
> > > > really wet in the carb.
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > DP
> > > > 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

I would check the distributor cap and rotor and plugs first. Then the
connection on the coil. That Ford plug thing has nasty tendencies to go
bad. The clips inside lose their spring.

There also is a small wire on the side of the solenoid that needs
cleaning now and then. This wire provides power to the coil when the
starter is turning.

If it has weak spark and floods, lots of times the plugs have to be
removed and cleaned before it will start normally again. The raw gas
dissolves carbon and can cause carbon bridges across the spark plug
gap. I have seen and heard of this several times on those engines.

A bad ground to the body can cause strange things. If the grounds
aren't good, the starter can 'steal' all the power not leaving enough
for the electronics to generate a spark.

Mike


Dave wrote:
>
> Ok..... new problem.... sort of.
>
> I was able to get it to start yesterday (after some banging with a
> screwdrive on the inlet valve) and drove it around for a couple hours
> with no problems. I think the needle and seat may have been sticking.
> Today presents a new problem........
>
> Today, I tried starting it (gave it a couple pumps of gas). It ran
> for about 20 seconds and then died (which is typical if I don't keep
> on the gas enough, cause my choke isn't properly calibrated). I tried
> re-starting and can't get it going. I tried both started without
> pumping the gas (and of course with a couple pumps). Gas IS
> definately getting to the carb and I even tried started fluid (which
> didn't help at all). Could my distributor not be working properly, or
> could it not be spaking strong enough (worn plugs???). Once it heats
> up, she runs real strong. But getting it to run recently has been a
> challenge. Again, I just moved to a cold climate (from southern
> Califonia) and these problem didn't really exist before.
>
> Does temperature have any effect on the amount of spark generated?
> What are the tell-tale signs of needing to replace my distribtor?
>
> Thanks all.....
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3FAD574A.D58360DA@sympatico.ca>...
> > Did you check it before or after the filter?
> >
> > Gas needs to come out the center filter outlet. Best to take off the
> > filter and try to blow through it while plugging the top or smaller
> > outlet with your finger to see if the filter is ok.
> >
> > The top outlet goes to the return line. If the return line isn't at the
> > top, it could have airlocked the line.
> >
> > I would try tossing a 1/4 cup of gas down the carb and see what happens.
> >
> > If it runs but won't idle, the idle circuit got plugged with junk.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Dave wrote:
> > >
> > > I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
> > > it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
> > > I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
> > > Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
> > > mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
> > > could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
> > > without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
> > > (for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?
> > >
> > > The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?
> > >
> > > Suggestions please.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > DP
> > >
> > > prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> > > > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> > > >
> > > > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > > > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> > > >
> > > > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > > > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > > > getting enough gas. It looks
> > > > really wet in the carb.
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > DP
> > > > 84 CJ7