flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.

I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.

Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
getting enough gas. It looks
really wet in the carb.

Any suggestions?


DP
84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

If it's flooded, you will smell gas.




"Dave" <prillde@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.co m...
> I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
>
> I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
>
> Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> getting enough gas. It looks
> really wet in the carb.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> DP
> 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

If it's flooded, you will smell gas.




"Dave" <prillde@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.co m...
> I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
>
> I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
>
> Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> getting enough gas. It looks
> really wet in the carb.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> DP
> 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

If it's flooded, you will smell gas.




"Dave" <prillde@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.co m...
> I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
>
> I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
>
> Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> getting enough gas. It looks
> really wet in the carb.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> DP
> 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Should be able to see it squirt gas as you pump the accelerator. If it's
getting gas, then check for spark. Take one plug out, connect it and lay it
on the engine block somewhere will it will get grounded. Turn the engine
over and look for spark. Don't hold it with bare hands, it will knock the
crap out of ya!

--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries


"Dave" <prillde@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.co m...
> I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
>
> I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
>
> Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> getting enough gas. It looks
> really wet in the carb.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> DP
> 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Should be able to see it squirt gas as you pump the accelerator. If it's
getting gas, then check for spark. Take one plug out, connect it and lay it
on the engine block somewhere will it will get grounded. Turn the engine
over and look for spark. Don't hold it with bare hands, it will knock the
crap out of ya!

--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries


"Dave" <prillde@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.co m...
> I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
>
> I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
>
> Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> getting enough gas. It looks
> really wet in the carb.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> DP
> 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Should be able to see it squirt gas as you pump the accelerator. If it's
getting gas, then check for spark. Take one plug out, connect it and lay it
on the engine block somewhere will it will get grounded. Turn the engine
over and look for spark. Don't hold it with bare hands, it will knock the
crap out of ya!

--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries


"Dave" <prillde@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.co m...
> I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
>
> I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
>
> Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> getting enough gas. It looks
> really wet in the carb.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> DP
> 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

- where it will get grounded -

"JimG" <jimg@cj7.com> wrote in message news:hPVqb.88$eS7.63@news01.roc.ny...
> Should be able to see it squirt gas as you pump the accelerator. If it's
> getting gas, then check for spark. Take one plug out, connect it and lay
it
> on the engine block somewhere will it will get grounded. Turn the engine
> over and look for spark. Don't hold it with bare hands, it will knock the
> crap out of ya!
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
>
> "Dave" <prillde@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.co m...
> > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> >
> > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> >
> > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > getting enough gas. It looks
> > really wet in the carb.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> >
> > DP
> > 84 CJ7
>
>

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

- where it will get grounded -

"JimG" <jimg@cj7.com> wrote in message news:hPVqb.88$eS7.63@news01.roc.ny...
> Should be able to see it squirt gas as you pump the accelerator. If it's
> getting gas, then check for spark. Take one plug out, connect it and lay
it
> on the engine block somewhere will it will get grounded. Turn the engine
> over and look for spark. Don't hold it with bare hands, it will knock the
> crap out of ya!
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
>
> "Dave" <prillde@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.co m...
> > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> >
> > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> >
> > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > getting enough gas. It looks
> > really wet in the carb.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> >
> > DP
> > 84 CJ7
>
>

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

- where it will get grounded -

"JimG" <jimg@cj7.com> wrote in message news:hPVqb.88$eS7.63@news01.roc.ny...
> Should be able to see it squirt gas as you pump the accelerator. If it's
> getting gas, then check for spark. Take one plug out, connect it and lay
it
> on the engine block somewhere will it will get grounded. Turn the engine
> over and look for spark. Don't hold it with bare hands, it will knock the
> crap out of ya!
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
>
> "Dave" <prillde@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.co m...
> > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> >
> > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> >
> > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > getting enough gas. It looks
> > really wet in the carb.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> >
> > DP
> > 84 CJ7
>
>

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Hi Dave,
Bummer. Establish whether you have a gas problem or a spark problem.
Take the air cleaner off and look down the carburetor, not running of
course and open the throttle butterflies by the linkage, you should see
the squirts of gasoline from your accelerator pump. No squirt you need
gasoline or a rebuilding kit for the carburetor. Notice if the top choke
butterfly opens partially with full throttle. Try with the use of a
flashlight see if you can look down the venturi and see a puddle at the
bottom indicating sever flooding. and you will have to let it dry out
with a stick holding the butterflies open, and probable still need
starting fluid. Check to see if you have spark by removing the coil wire
at the distributor cap side and hold it and an quarter of an inch away
for the block, and crank, and look for a blue spark, if it's healthy.
Stand back a little if your private grounds it, your in for a rude
awakening.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave wrote:
>
> I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
>
> I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
>
> Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> getting enough gas. It looks
> really wet in the carb.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> DP
> 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Hi Dave,
Bummer. Establish whether you have a gas problem or a spark problem.
Take the air cleaner off and look down the carburetor, not running of
course and open the throttle butterflies by the linkage, you should see
the squirts of gasoline from your accelerator pump. No squirt you need
gasoline or a rebuilding kit for the carburetor. Notice if the top choke
butterfly opens partially with full throttle. Try with the use of a
flashlight see if you can look down the venturi and see a puddle at the
bottom indicating sever flooding. and you will have to let it dry out
with a stick holding the butterflies open, and probable still need
starting fluid. Check to see if you have spark by removing the coil wire
at the distributor cap side and hold it and an quarter of an inch away
for the block, and crank, and look for a blue spark, if it's healthy.
Stand back a little if your private grounds it, your in for a rude
awakening.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave wrote:
>
> I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
>
> I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
>
> Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> getting enough gas. It looks
> really wet in the carb.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> DP
> 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Hi Dave,
Bummer. Establish whether you have a gas problem or a spark problem.
Take the air cleaner off and look down the carburetor, not running of
course and open the throttle butterflies by the linkage, you should see
the squirts of gasoline from your accelerator pump. No squirt you need
gasoline or a rebuilding kit for the carburetor. Notice if the top choke
butterfly opens partially with full throttle. Try with the use of a
flashlight see if you can look down the venturi and see a puddle at the
bottom indicating sever flooding. and you will have to let it dry out
with a stick holding the butterflies open, and probable still need
starting fluid. Check to see if you have spark by removing the coil wire
at the distributor cap side and hold it and an quarter of an inch away
for the block, and crank, and look for a blue spark, if it's healthy.
Stand back a little if your private grounds it, your in for a rude
awakening.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave wrote:
>
> I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
>
> I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
>
> Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> getting enough gas. It looks
> really wet in the carb.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> DP
> 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

What Bill said...

If there are no squirts of gas also suspect a back flow from the
charcoal canister tossing a bunch od black bits into the carb. This can
plug up the works and happens sometimes when they run out of gas.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
> Bummer. Establish whether you have a gas problem or a spark problem.
> Take the air cleaner off and look down the carburetor, not running of
> course and open the throttle butterflies by the linkage, you should see
> the squirts of gasoline from your accelerator pump. No squirt you need
> gasoline or a rebuilding kit for the carburetor. Notice if the top choke
> butterfly opens partially with full throttle. Try with the use of a
> flashlight see if you can look down the venturi and see a puddle at the
> bottom indicating sever flooding. and you will have to let it dry out
> with a stick holding the butterflies open, and probable still need
> starting fluid. Check to see if you have spark by removing the coil wire
> at the distributor cap side and hold it and an quarter of an inch away
> for the block, and crank, and look for a blue spark, if it's healthy.
> Stand back a little if your private grounds it, your in for a rude
> awakening.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave wrote:
> >
> > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> >
> > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> >
> > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > getting enough gas. It looks
> > really wet in the carb.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > DP
> > 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

What Bill said...

If there are no squirts of gas also suspect a back flow from the
charcoal canister tossing a bunch od black bits into the carb. This can
plug up the works and happens sometimes when they run out of gas.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
> Bummer. Establish whether you have a gas problem or a spark problem.
> Take the air cleaner off and look down the carburetor, not running of
> course and open the throttle butterflies by the linkage, you should see
> the squirts of gasoline from your accelerator pump. No squirt you need
> gasoline or a rebuilding kit for the carburetor. Notice if the top choke
> butterfly opens partially with full throttle. Try with the use of a
> flashlight see if you can look down the venturi and see a puddle at the
> bottom indicating sever flooding. and you will have to let it dry out
> with a stick holding the butterflies open, and probable still need
> starting fluid. Check to see if you have spark by removing the coil wire
> at the distributor cap side and hold it and an quarter of an inch away
> for the block, and crank, and look for a blue spark, if it's healthy.
> Stand back a little if your private grounds it, your in for a rude
> awakening.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave wrote:
> >
> > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> >
> > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> >
> > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > getting enough gas. It looks
> > really wet in the carb.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > DP
> > 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

What Bill said...

If there are no squirts of gas also suspect a back flow from the
charcoal canister tossing a bunch od black bits into the carb. This can
plug up the works and happens sometimes when they run out of gas.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
> Bummer. Establish whether you have a gas problem or a spark problem.
> Take the air cleaner off and look down the carburetor, not running of
> course and open the throttle butterflies by the linkage, you should see
> the squirts of gasoline from your accelerator pump. No squirt you need
> gasoline or a rebuilding kit for the carburetor. Notice if the top choke
> butterfly opens partially with full throttle. Try with the use of a
> flashlight see if you can look down the venturi and see a puddle at the
> bottom indicating sever flooding. and you will have to let it dry out
> with a stick holding the butterflies open, and probable still need
> starting fluid. Check to see if you have spark by removing the coil wire
> at the distributor cap side and hold it and an quarter of an inch away
> for the block, and crank, and look for a blue spark, if it's healthy.
> Stand back a little if your private grounds it, your in for a rude
> awakening.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave wrote:
> >
> > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> >
> > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> >
> > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > getting enough gas. It looks
> > really wet in the carb.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > DP
> > 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Approximately 11/7/03 15:22, JimG uttered for posterity:

> Should be able to see it squirt gas as you pump the accelerator. If it's
> getting gas, then check for spark. Take one plug out, connect it and lay it
> on the engine block somewhere will it will get grounded. Turn the engine
> over and look for spark. Don't hold it with bare hands, it will knock the
> crap out of ya!

And when you pull it out, if it is all wet with a gasoline smell,
the engine was just flooded.

--
My governor can kick your governor's ass

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Approximately 11/7/03 15:22, JimG uttered for posterity:

> Should be able to see it squirt gas as you pump the accelerator. If it's
> getting gas, then check for spark. Take one plug out, connect it and lay it
> on the engine block somewhere will it will get grounded. Turn the engine
> over and look for spark. Don't hold it with bare hands, it will knock the
> crap out of ya!

And when you pull it out, if it is all wet with a gasoline smell,
the engine was just flooded.

--
My governor can kick your governor's ass

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Approximately 11/7/03 15:22, JimG uttered for posterity:

> Should be able to see it squirt gas as you pump the accelerator. If it's
> getting gas, then check for spark. Take one plug out, connect it and lay it
> on the engine block somewhere will it will get grounded. Turn the engine
> over and look for spark. Don't hold it with bare hands, it will knock the
> crap out of ya!

And when you pull it out, if it is all wet with a gasoline smell,
the engine was just flooded.

--
My governor can kick your governor's ass

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Good point!

"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:0_Yqb.140035$HS4.1125688@attbi_s01...
> Approximately 11/7/03 15:22, JimG uttered for posterity:
>
> > Should be able to see it squirt gas as you pump the accelerator. If
it's
> > getting gas, then check for spark. Take one plug out, connect it and
lay it
> > on the engine block somewhere will it will get grounded. Turn the
engine
> > over and look for spark. Don't hold it with bare hands, it will knock
the
> > crap out of ya!
>
> And when you pull it out, if it is all wet with a gasoline smell,
> the engine was just flooded.
>
> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ass
>

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Good point!

"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:0_Yqb.140035$HS4.1125688@attbi_s01...
> Approximately 11/7/03 15:22, JimG uttered for posterity:
>
> > Should be able to see it squirt gas as you pump the accelerator. If
it's
> > getting gas, then check for spark. Take one plug out, connect it and
lay it
> > on the engine block somewhere will it will get grounded. Turn the
engine
> > over and look for spark. Don't hold it with bare hands, it will knock
the
> > crap out of ya!
>
> And when you pull it out, if it is all wet with a gasoline smell,
> the engine was just flooded.
>
> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ass
>

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Good point!

"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:0_Yqb.140035$HS4.1125688@attbi_s01...
> Approximately 11/7/03 15:22, JimG uttered for posterity:
>
> > Should be able to see it squirt gas as you pump the accelerator. If
it's
> > getting gas, then check for spark. Take one plug out, connect it and
lay it
> > on the engine block somewhere will it will get grounded. Turn the
engine
> > over and look for spark. Don't hold it with bare hands, it will knock
the
> > crap out of ya!
>
> And when you pull it out, if it is all wet with a gasoline smell,
> the engine was just flooded.
>
> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ass
>

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
(for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?

The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?


Suggestions please.

Thanks

DP


prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
>
> I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
>
> Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> getting enough gas. It looks
> really wet in the carb.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> DP
> 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
(for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?

The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?


Suggestions please.

Thanks

DP


prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
>
> I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
>
> Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> getting enough gas. It looks
> really wet in the carb.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> DP
> 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
(for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?

The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?


Suggestions please.

Thanks

DP


prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
>
> I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
>
> Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> getting enough gas. It looks
> really wet in the carb.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> DP
> 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Hi Dave,
Take the fuel line off at the carburetor, it sounds like you may
have checked the return line, which would flow even if the filter was
clogged. You probably have over twenty five thousand on the filter, I'd
go ahead and replace it. And buy a kit for the carburetor, if you have a
place to work on it, where small parts roll away and get lost:
http://www.carburetorfactory.com/expvw03.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave wrote:
>
> I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
> it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
> I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
> Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
> mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
> could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
> without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
> (for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?
>
> The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?
>
> Suggestions please.
>
> Thanks
>
> DP
>
> prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> >
> > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> >
> > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > getting enough gas. It looks
> > really wet in the carb.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> >
> > DP
> > 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Hi Dave,
Take the fuel line off at the carburetor, it sounds like you may
have checked the return line, which would flow even if the filter was
clogged. You probably have over twenty five thousand on the filter, I'd
go ahead and replace it. And buy a kit for the carburetor, if you have a
place to work on it, where small parts roll away and get lost:
http://www.carburetorfactory.com/expvw03.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave wrote:
>
> I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
> it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
> I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
> Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
> mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
> could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
> without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
> (for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?
>
> The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?
>
> Suggestions please.
>
> Thanks
>
> DP
>
> prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> >
> > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> >
> > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > getting enough gas. It looks
> > really wet in the carb.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> >
> > DP
> > 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Hi Dave,
Take the fuel line off at the carburetor, it sounds like you may
have checked the return line, which would flow even if the filter was
clogged. You probably have over twenty five thousand on the filter, I'd
go ahead and replace it. And buy a kit for the carburetor, if you have a
place to work on it, where small parts roll away and get lost:
http://www.carburetorfactory.com/expvw03.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave wrote:
>
> I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
> it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
> I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
> Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
> mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
> could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
> without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
> (for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?
>
> The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?
>
> Suggestions please.
>
> Thanks
>
> DP
>
> prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> >
> > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> >
> > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > getting enough gas. It looks
> > really wet in the carb.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> >
> > DP
> > 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Did you check it before or after the filter?

Gas needs to come out the center filter outlet. Best to take off the
filter and try to blow through it while plugging the top or smaller
outlet with your finger to see if the filter is ok.

The top outlet goes to the return line. If the return line isn't at the
top, it could have airlocked the line.

I would try tossing a 1/4 cup of gas down the carb and see what happens.

If it runs but won't idle, the idle circuit got plugged with junk.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Dave wrote:
>
> I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
> it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
> I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
> Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
> mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
> could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
> without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
> (for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?
>
> The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?
>
> Suggestions please.
>
> Thanks
>
> DP
>
> prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> >
> > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> >
> > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > getting enough gas. It looks
> > really wet in the carb.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> >
> > DP
> > 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Did you check it before or after the filter?

Gas needs to come out the center filter outlet. Best to take off the
filter and try to blow through it while plugging the top or smaller
outlet with your finger to see if the filter is ok.

The top outlet goes to the return line. If the return line isn't at the
top, it could have airlocked the line.

I would try tossing a 1/4 cup of gas down the carb and see what happens.

If it runs but won't idle, the idle circuit got plugged with junk.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Dave wrote:
>
> I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
> it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
> I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
> Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
> mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
> could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
> without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
> (for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?
>
> The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?
>
> Suggestions please.
>
> Thanks
>
> DP
>
> prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> >
> > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> >
> > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > getting enough gas. It looks
> > really wet in the carb.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> >
> > DP
> > 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Did you check it before or after the filter?

Gas needs to come out the center filter outlet. Best to take off the
filter and try to blow through it while plugging the top or smaller
outlet with your finger to see if the filter is ok.

The top outlet goes to the return line. If the return line isn't at the
top, it could have airlocked the line.

I would try tossing a 1/4 cup of gas down the carb and see what happens.

If it runs but won't idle, the idle circuit got plugged with junk.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Dave wrote:
>
> I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
> it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
> I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
> Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
> mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
> could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
> without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
> (for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?
>
> The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?
>
> Suggestions please.
>
> Thanks
>
> DP
>
> prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> >
> > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> >
> > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > getting enough gas. It looks
> > really wet in the carb.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> >
> > DP
> > 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Ok..... new problem.... sort of.

I was able to get it to start yesterday (after some banging with a
screwdrive on the inlet valve) and drove it around for a couple hours
with no problems. I think the needle and seat may have been sticking.
Today presents a new problem........

Today, I tried starting it (gave it a couple pumps of gas). It ran
for about 20 seconds and then died (which is typical if I don't keep
on the gas enough, cause my choke isn't properly calibrated). I tried
re-starting and can't get it going. I tried both started without
pumping the gas (and of course with a couple pumps). Gas IS
definately getting to the carb and I even tried started fluid (which
didn't help at all). Could my distributor not be working properly, or
could it not be spaking strong enough (worn plugs???). Once it heats
up, she runs real strong. But getting it to run recently has been a
challenge. Again, I just moved to a cold climate (from southern
Califonia) and these problem didn't really exist before.

Does temperature have any effect on the amount of spark generated?
What are the tell-tale signs of needing to replace my distribtor?

Thanks all.....

Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3FAD574A.D58360DA@sympatico.ca>...
> Did you check it before or after the filter?
>
> Gas needs to come out the center filter outlet. Best to take off the
> filter and try to blow through it while plugging the top or smaller
> outlet with your finger to see if the filter is ok.
>
> The top outlet goes to the return line. If the return line isn't at the
> top, it could have airlocked the line.
>
> I would try tossing a 1/4 cup of gas down the carb and see what happens.
>
> If it runs but won't idle, the idle circuit got plugged with junk.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Dave wrote:
> >
> > I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
> > it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
> > I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
> > Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
> > mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
> > could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
> > without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
> > (for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?
> >
> > The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?
> >
> > Suggestions please.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > DP
> >
> > prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> > > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> > >
> > > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> > >
> > > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > > getting enough gas. It looks
> > > really wet in the carb.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
> > >
> > >
> > > DP
> > > 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Ok..... new problem.... sort of.

I was able to get it to start yesterday (after some banging with a
screwdrive on the inlet valve) and drove it around for a couple hours
with no problems. I think the needle and seat may have been sticking.
Today presents a new problem........

Today, I tried starting it (gave it a couple pumps of gas). It ran
for about 20 seconds and then died (which is typical if I don't keep
on the gas enough, cause my choke isn't properly calibrated). I tried
re-starting and can't get it going. I tried both started without
pumping the gas (and of course with a couple pumps). Gas IS
definately getting to the carb and I even tried started fluid (which
didn't help at all). Could my distributor not be working properly, or
could it not be spaking strong enough (worn plugs???). Once it heats
up, she runs real strong. But getting it to run recently has been a
challenge. Again, I just moved to a cold climate (from southern
Califonia) and these problem didn't really exist before.

Does temperature have any effect on the amount of spark generated?
What are the tell-tale signs of needing to replace my distribtor?

Thanks all.....

Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3FAD574A.D58360DA@sympatico.ca>...
> Did you check it before or after the filter?
>
> Gas needs to come out the center filter outlet. Best to take off the
> filter and try to blow through it while plugging the top or smaller
> outlet with your finger to see if the filter is ok.
>
> The top outlet goes to the return line. If the return line isn't at the
> top, it could have airlocked the line.
>
> I would try tossing a 1/4 cup of gas down the carb and see what happens.
>
> If it runs but won't idle, the idle circuit got plugged with junk.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Dave wrote:
> >
> > I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
> > it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
> > I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
> > Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
> > mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
> > could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
> > without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
> > (for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?
> >
> > The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?
> >
> > Suggestions please.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > DP
> >
> > prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> > > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> > >
> > > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> > >
> > > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > > getting enough gas. It looks
> > > really wet in the carb.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
> > >
> > >
> > > DP
> > > 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

Ok..... new problem.... sort of.

I was able to get it to start yesterday (after some banging with a
screwdrive on the inlet valve) and drove it around for a couple hours
with no problems. I think the needle and seat may have been sticking.
Today presents a new problem........

Today, I tried starting it (gave it a couple pumps of gas). It ran
for about 20 seconds and then died (which is typical if I don't keep
on the gas enough, cause my choke isn't properly calibrated). I tried
re-starting and can't get it going. I tried both started without
pumping the gas (and of course with a couple pumps). Gas IS
definately getting to the carb and I even tried started fluid (which
didn't help at all). Could my distributor not be working properly, or
could it not be spaking strong enough (worn plugs???). Once it heats
up, she runs real strong. But getting it to run recently has been a
challenge. Again, I just moved to a cold climate (from southern
Califonia) and these problem didn't really exist before.

Does temperature have any effect on the amount of spark generated?
What are the tell-tale signs of needing to replace my distribtor?

Thanks all.....

Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3FAD574A.D58360DA@sympatico.ca>...
> Did you check it before or after the filter?
>
> Gas needs to come out the center filter outlet. Best to take off the
> filter and try to blow through it while plugging the top or smaller
> outlet with your finger to see if the filter is ok.
>
> The top outlet goes to the return line. If the return line isn't at the
> top, it could have airlocked the line.
>
> I would try tossing a 1/4 cup of gas down the carb and see what happens.
>
> If it runs but won't idle, the idle circuit got plugged with junk.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Dave wrote:
> >
> > I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
> > it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
> > I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
> > Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
> > mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
> > could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
> > without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
> > (for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?
> >
> > The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?
> >
> > Suggestions please.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > DP
> >
> > prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> > > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> > >
> > > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> > >
> > > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > > getting enough gas. It looks
> > > really wet in the carb.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
> > >
> > >
> > > DP
> > > 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

I would check the distributor cap and rotor and plugs first. Then the
connection on the coil. That Ford plug thing has nasty tendencies to go
bad. The clips inside lose their spring.

There also is a small wire on the side of the solenoid that needs
cleaning now and then. This wire provides power to the coil when the
starter is turning.

If it has weak spark and floods, lots of times the plugs have to be
removed and cleaned before it will start normally again. The raw gas
dissolves carbon and can cause carbon bridges across the spark plug
gap. I have seen and heard of this several times on those engines.

A bad ground to the body can cause strange things. If the grounds
aren't good, the starter can 'steal' all the power not leaving enough
for the electronics to generate a spark.

Mike


Dave wrote:
>
> Ok..... new problem.... sort of.
>
> I was able to get it to start yesterday (after some banging with a
> screwdrive on the inlet valve) and drove it around for a couple hours
> with no problems. I think the needle and seat may have been sticking.
> Today presents a new problem........
>
> Today, I tried starting it (gave it a couple pumps of gas). It ran
> for about 20 seconds and then died (which is typical if I don't keep
> on the gas enough, cause my choke isn't properly calibrated). I tried
> re-starting and can't get it going. I tried both started without
> pumping the gas (and of course with a couple pumps). Gas IS
> definately getting to the carb and I even tried started fluid (which
> didn't help at all). Could my distributor not be working properly, or
> could it not be spaking strong enough (worn plugs???). Once it heats
> up, she runs real strong. But getting it to run recently has been a
> challenge. Again, I just moved to a cold climate (from southern
> Califonia) and these problem didn't really exist before.
>
> Does temperature have any effect on the amount of spark generated?
> What are the tell-tale signs of needing to replace my distribtor?
>
> Thanks all.....
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3FAD574A.D58360DA@sympatico.ca>...
> > Did you check it before or after the filter?
> >
> > Gas needs to come out the center filter outlet. Best to take off the
> > filter and try to blow through it while plugging the top or smaller
> > outlet with your finger to see if the filter is ok.
> >
> > The top outlet goes to the return line. If the return line isn't at the
> > top, it could have airlocked the line.
> >
> > I would try tossing a 1/4 cup of gas down the carb and see what happens.
> >
> > If it runs but won't idle, the idle circuit got plugged with junk.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Dave wrote:
> > >
> > > I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
> > > it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
> > > I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
> > > Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
> > > mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
> > > could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
> > > without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
> > > (for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?
> > >
> > > The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?
> > >
> > > Suggestions please.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > DP
> > >
> > > prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> > > > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> > > >
> > > > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > > > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> > > >
> > > > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > > > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > > > getting enough gas. It looks
> > > > really wet in the carb.
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > DP
> > > > 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

I would check the distributor cap and rotor and plugs first. Then the
connection on the coil. That Ford plug thing has nasty tendencies to go
bad. The clips inside lose their spring.

There also is a small wire on the side of the solenoid that needs
cleaning now and then. This wire provides power to the coil when the
starter is turning.

If it has weak spark and floods, lots of times the plugs have to be
removed and cleaned before it will start normally again. The raw gas
dissolves carbon and can cause carbon bridges across the spark plug
gap. I have seen and heard of this several times on those engines.

A bad ground to the body can cause strange things. If the grounds
aren't good, the starter can 'steal' all the power not leaving enough
for the electronics to generate a spark.

Mike


Dave wrote:
>
> Ok..... new problem.... sort of.
>
> I was able to get it to start yesterday (after some banging with a
> screwdrive on the inlet valve) and drove it around for a couple hours
> with no problems. I think the needle and seat may have been sticking.
> Today presents a new problem........
>
> Today, I tried starting it (gave it a couple pumps of gas). It ran
> for about 20 seconds and then died (which is typical if I don't keep
> on the gas enough, cause my choke isn't properly calibrated). I tried
> re-starting and can't get it going. I tried both started without
> pumping the gas (and of course with a couple pumps). Gas IS
> definately getting to the carb and I even tried started fluid (which
> didn't help at all). Could my distributor not be working properly, or
> could it not be spaking strong enough (worn plugs???). Once it heats
> up, she runs real strong. But getting it to run recently has been a
> challenge. Again, I just moved to a cold climate (from southern
> Califonia) and these problem didn't really exist before.
>
> Does temperature have any effect on the amount of spark generated?
> What are the tell-tale signs of needing to replace my distribtor?
>
> Thanks all.....
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3FAD574A.D58360DA@sympatico.ca>...
> > Did you check it before or after the filter?
> >
> > Gas needs to come out the center filter outlet. Best to take off the
> > filter and try to blow through it while plugging the top or smaller
> > outlet with your finger to see if the filter is ok.
> >
> > The top outlet goes to the return line. If the return line isn't at the
> > top, it could have airlocked the line.
> >
> > I would try tossing a 1/4 cup of gas down the carb and see what happens.
> >
> > If it runs but won't idle, the idle circuit got plugged with junk.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Dave wrote:
> > >
> > > I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
> > > it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
> > > I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
> > > Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
> > > mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
> > > could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
> > > without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
> > > (for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?
> > >
> > > The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?
> > >
> > > Suggestions please.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > DP
> > >
> > > prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> > > > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> > > >
> > > > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > > > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> > > >
> > > > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > > > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > > > getting enough gas. It looks
> > > > really wet in the carb.
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > DP
> > > > 84 CJ7

Re: flooded engine -- 84 CJ7
 

I would check the distributor cap and rotor and plugs first. Then the
connection on the coil. That Ford plug thing has nasty tendencies to go
bad. The clips inside lose their spring.

There also is a small wire on the side of the solenoid that needs
cleaning now and then. This wire provides power to the coil when the
starter is turning.

If it has weak spark and floods, lots of times the plugs have to be
removed and cleaned before it will start normally again. The raw gas
dissolves carbon and can cause carbon bridges across the spark plug
gap. I have seen and heard of this several times on those engines.

A bad ground to the body can cause strange things. If the grounds
aren't good, the starter can 'steal' all the power not leaving enough
for the electronics to generate a spark.

Mike


Dave wrote:
>
> Ok..... new problem.... sort of.
>
> I was able to get it to start yesterday (after some banging with a
> screwdrive on the inlet valve) and drove it around for a couple hours
> with no problems. I think the needle and seat may have been sticking.
> Today presents a new problem........
>
> Today, I tried starting it (gave it a couple pumps of gas). It ran
> for about 20 seconds and then died (which is typical if I don't keep
> on the gas enough, cause my choke isn't properly calibrated). I tried
> re-starting and can't get it going. I tried both started without
> pumping the gas (and of course with a couple pumps). Gas IS
> definately getting to the carb and I even tried started fluid (which
> didn't help at all). Could my distributor not be working properly, or
> could it not be spaking strong enough (worn plugs???). Once it heats
> up, she runs real strong. But getting it to run recently has been a
> challenge. Again, I just moved to a cold climate (from southern
> Califonia) and these problem didn't really exist before.
>
> Does temperature have any effect on the amount of spark generated?
> What are the tell-tale signs of needing to replace my distribtor?
>
> Thanks all.....
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3FAD574A.D58360DA@sympatico.ca>...
> > Did you check it before or after the filter?
> >
> > Gas needs to come out the center filter outlet. Best to take off the
> > filter and try to blow through it while plugging the top or smaller
> > outlet with your finger to see if the filter is ok.
> >
> > The top outlet goes to the return line. If the return line isn't at the
> > top, it could have airlocked the line.
> >
> > I would try tossing a 1/4 cup of gas down the carb and see what happens.
> >
> > If it runs but won't idle, the idle circuit got plugged with junk.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Dave wrote:
> > >
> > > I wasn't sure if if the fuel pump was operating properly, so I tested
> > > it at the filter to verify that it was pumping (and it is).... though
> > > I can't get gas to squirt into the carb. Something must be sticking.
> > > Is there anything I can do short of a rebuild? A Jeep mechanic
> > > mentioned that the needle and seat assembly might be sticking (or it
> > > could be a number of other things). Can I remove this assembly
> > > without taking the rest of the carb off? By the way, its a Carter BBD
> > > (for an in-line 6). Would carb cleaner help any?
> > >
> > > The temp is about 25 degrees -- could this cause something to stick?
> > >
> > > Suggestions please.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > DP
> > >
> > > prillde@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<4e6c9bb.0311071425.79a7fb4f@posting.google.c om>...
> > > > I flooded my engine (I think) -- can't get it to start.
> > > >
> > > > I've already tried starting it with my foot to the floor so that the
> > > > barrel opens but that didn't seem to work.
> > > >
> > > > Last night the same thing happened.... but it turned out that it
> > > > needed gas. I really can't tell if it's flooded or if it's not
> > > > getting enough gas. It looks
> > > > really wet in the carb.
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > DP
> > > > 84 CJ7