flat towing instructions
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Re: flat towing instructions
I am not trying to turn a deaf ear to the advice I have received here,
however selling the Durango and getting a different tow vehicle is not
an option. I bought the Durango *6 days ago* for the express purpose
of towing the CJ. I did so after taking the CJ to a scale to be
weighed and learning that it weighed 4400 lbs, reading up about the
various mid size SUVs on the market, and specifically selecting one
with a tow capacity above 4400 lbs. (I turned down a good deal on a
Nissan Xterra, a vehicle which I would otherwise have preferred, for
that reason.) I am now in a 5 year finance contract on the Durango, so
for my towing needs, the Durango it will be.
I guess I will just have to unlock my hubs, drive slow and cautiously,
and hope for the best. I live in flat, mild-climate east texas,
(which is why I don't need to bring the doors with me when wheeling,)
so most of the time the driving shouldn't be terribly treacherous,
although I am planning a trip to Moab for the fall so I'll just have to
cross my fingers for that.
Two follow-up questions:
1. I have the optional 5.9L engine in the Durango. According to the
owner's manual, this engine configuration would actually permit me to
tow up to 7,150 lbs, *IF* I had the higher 3.93 axle ratio, which I
do not. So one possible cheaper option is to simply upgrade the
Durango axle. Am I correct in thinking, however, that the axle ratio
would not have any meaningful impact on the handling/steering concerns
that this group has voiced, and that the only reason it should make a
difference from the perspective of the owner's manual is that it would
reduce the burden on the Durango's auto tranny? (And, since I'll
still only be towing 4400 lbs, upgrading the axle really wouldn't get
me a whole lot?)
2. Would it mediate any of the flat tow steering/hanfling issues if I
towed the jeep backwards (rear axle first)?
however selling the Durango and getting a different tow vehicle is not
an option. I bought the Durango *6 days ago* for the express purpose
of towing the CJ. I did so after taking the CJ to a scale to be
weighed and learning that it weighed 4400 lbs, reading up about the
various mid size SUVs on the market, and specifically selecting one
with a tow capacity above 4400 lbs. (I turned down a good deal on a
Nissan Xterra, a vehicle which I would otherwise have preferred, for
that reason.) I am now in a 5 year finance contract on the Durango, so
for my towing needs, the Durango it will be.
I guess I will just have to unlock my hubs, drive slow and cautiously,
and hope for the best. I live in flat, mild-climate east texas,
(which is why I don't need to bring the doors with me when wheeling,)
so most of the time the driving shouldn't be terribly treacherous,
although I am planning a trip to Moab for the fall so I'll just have to
cross my fingers for that.
Two follow-up questions:
1. I have the optional 5.9L engine in the Durango. According to the
owner's manual, this engine configuration would actually permit me to
tow up to 7,150 lbs, *IF* I had the higher 3.93 axle ratio, which I
do not. So one possible cheaper option is to simply upgrade the
Durango axle. Am I correct in thinking, however, that the axle ratio
would not have any meaningful impact on the handling/steering concerns
that this group has voiced, and that the only reason it should make a
difference from the perspective of the owner's manual is that it would
reduce the burden on the Durango's auto tranny? (And, since I'll
still only be towing 4400 lbs, upgrading the axle really wouldn't get
me a whole lot?)
2. Would it mediate any of the flat tow steering/hanfling issues if I
towed the jeep backwards (rear axle first)?
Guest
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Re: flat towing instructions
I am not trying to turn a deaf ear to the advice I have received here,
however selling the Durango and getting a different tow vehicle is not
an option. I bought the Durango *6 days ago* for the express purpose
of towing the CJ. I did so after taking the CJ to a scale to be
weighed and learning that it weighed 4400 lbs, reading up about the
various mid size SUVs on the market, and specifically selecting one
with a tow capacity above 4400 lbs. (I turned down a good deal on a
Nissan Xterra, a vehicle which I would otherwise have preferred, for
that reason.) I am now in a 5 year finance contract on the Durango, so
for my towing needs, the Durango it will be.
I guess I will just have to unlock my hubs, drive slow and cautiously,
and hope for the best. I live in flat, mild-climate east texas,
(which is why I don't need to bring the doors with me when wheeling,)
so most of the time the driving shouldn't be terribly treacherous,
although I am planning a trip to Moab for the fall so I'll just have to
cross my fingers for that.
Two follow-up questions:
1. I have the optional 5.9L engine in the Durango. According to the
owner's manual, this engine configuration would actually permit me to
tow up to 7,150 lbs, *IF* I had the higher 3.93 axle ratio, which I
do not. So one possible cheaper option is to simply upgrade the
Durango axle. Am I correct in thinking, however, that the axle ratio
would not have any meaningful impact on the handling/steering concerns
that this group has voiced, and that the only reason it should make a
difference from the perspective of the owner's manual is that it would
reduce the burden on the Durango's auto tranny? (And, since I'll
still only be towing 4400 lbs, upgrading the axle really wouldn't get
me a whole lot?)
2. Would it mediate any of the flat tow steering/hanfling issues if I
towed the jeep backwards (rear axle first)?
however selling the Durango and getting a different tow vehicle is not
an option. I bought the Durango *6 days ago* for the express purpose
of towing the CJ. I did so after taking the CJ to a scale to be
weighed and learning that it weighed 4400 lbs, reading up about the
various mid size SUVs on the market, and specifically selecting one
with a tow capacity above 4400 lbs. (I turned down a good deal on a
Nissan Xterra, a vehicle which I would otherwise have preferred, for
that reason.) I am now in a 5 year finance contract on the Durango, so
for my towing needs, the Durango it will be.
I guess I will just have to unlock my hubs, drive slow and cautiously,
and hope for the best. I live in flat, mild-climate east texas,
(which is why I don't need to bring the doors with me when wheeling,)
so most of the time the driving shouldn't be terribly treacherous,
although I am planning a trip to Moab for the fall so I'll just have to
cross my fingers for that.
Two follow-up questions:
1. I have the optional 5.9L engine in the Durango. According to the
owner's manual, this engine configuration would actually permit me to
tow up to 7,150 lbs, *IF* I had the higher 3.93 axle ratio, which I
do not. So one possible cheaper option is to simply upgrade the
Durango axle. Am I correct in thinking, however, that the axle ratio
would not have any meaningful impact on the handling/steering concerns
that this group has voiced, and that the only reason it should make a
difference from the perspective of the owner's manual is that it would
reduce the burden on the Durango's auto tranny? (And, since I'll
still only be towing 4400 lbs, upgrading the axle really wouldn't get
me a whole lot?)
2. Would it mediate any of the flat tow steering/hanfling issues if I
towed the jeep backwards (rear axle first)?
Guest
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Re: flat towing instructions
> I am not trying to turn a deaf ear to the advice I have received here,
> however selling the Durango and getting a different tow vehicle is not
> an option. I bought the Durango *6 days ago* for the express purpose
> of towing the CJ. I did so after taking the CJ to a scale to be
> weighed and learning that it weighed 4400 lbs, reading up about the
> various mid size SUVs on the market, and specifically selecting one
> with a tow capacity above 4400 lbs. (I turned down a good deal on a
> Nissan Xterra, a vehicle which I would otherwise have preferred, for
> that reason.)
Then perhaps this thread will help the next person thinking about buying
something to tow their Jeep. It's just not an ideal vehicle for towing
something that heavy with those sorts of tires on it.
> however selling the Durango and getting a different tow vehicle is not
> an option. I bought the Durango *6 days ago* for the express purpose
> of towing the CJ. I did so after taking the CJ to a scale to be
> weighed and learning that it weighed 4400 lbs, reading up about the
> various mid size SUVs on the market, and specifically selecting one
> with a tow capacity above 4400 lbs. (I turned down a good deal on a
> Nissan Xterra, a vehicle which I would otherwise have preferred, for
> that reason.)
Then perhaps this thread will help the next person thinking about buying
something to tow their Jeep. It's just not an ideal vehicle for towing
something that heavy with those sorts of tires on it.
Guest
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Re: flat towing instructions
> I am not trying to turn a deaf ear to the advice I have received here,
> however selling the Durango and getting a different tow vehicle is not
> an option. I bought the Durango *6 days ago* for the express purpose
> of towing the CJ. I did so after taking the CJ to a scale to be
> weighed and learning that it weighed 4400 lbs, reading up about the
> various mid size SUVs on the market, and specifically selecting one
> with a tow capacity above 4400 lbs. (I turned down a good deal on a
> Nissan Xterra, a vehicle which I would otherwise have preferred, for
> that reason.)
Then perhaps this thread will help the next person thinking about buying
something to tow their Jeep. It's just not an ideal vehicle for towing
something that heavy with those sorts of tires on it.
> however selling the Durango and getting a different tow vehicle is not
> an option. I bought the Durango *6 days ago* for the express purpose
> of towing the CJ. I did so after taking the CJ to a scale to be
> weighed and learning that it weighed 4400 lbs, reading up about the
> various mid size SUVs on the market, and specifically selecting one
> with a tow capacity above 4400 lbs. (I turned down a good deal on a
> Nissan Xterra, a vehicle which I would otherwise have preferred, for
> that reason.)
Then perhaps this thread will help the next person thinking about buying
something to tow their Jeep. It's just not an ideal vehicle for towing
something that heavy with those sorts of tires on it.
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: flat towing instructions
> I am not trying to turn a deaf ear to the advice I have received here,
> however selling the Durango and getting a different tow vehicle is not
> an option. I bought the Durango *6 days ago* for the express purpose
> of towing the CJ. I did so after taking the CJ to a scale to be
> weighed and learning that it weighed 4400 lbs, reading up about the
> various mid size SUVs on the market, and specifically selecting one
> with a tow capacity above 4400 lbs. (I turned down a good deal on a
> Nissan Xterra, a vehicle which I would otherwise have preferred, for
> that reason.)
Then perhaps this thread will help the next person thinking about buying
something to tow their Jeep. It's just not an ideal vehicle for towing
something that heavy with those sorts of tires on it.
> however selling the Durango and getting a different tow vehicle is not
> an option. I bought the Durango *6 days ago* for the express purpose
> of towing the CJ. I did so after taking the CJ to a scale to be
> weighed and learning that it weighed 4400 lbs, reading up about the
> various mid size SUVs on the market, and specifically selecting one
> with a tow capacity above 4400 lbs. (I turned down a good deal on a
> Nissan Xterra, a vehicle which I would otherwise have preferred, for
> that reason.)
Then perhaps this thread will help the next person thinking about buying
something to tow their Jeep. It's just not an ideal vehicle for towing
something that heavy with those sorts of tires on it.
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: flat towing instructions
> I am not trying to turn a deaf ear to the advice I have received here,
>> however selling the Durango and getting a different tow vehicle is not
>> an option.
If only you had asked about the Durango's "real world" capability of towing a
CJ before you bought one. It might not have changed your decision, but you
would have had the benefit of other people's experience.
I once considered the Durango as a potential tow rig, but decided against it
because it was marginally capable of flat towing a loaded, trail ready jeep and
severely overloaded and underpowered when towing a loaded jeep on a trailer. I
ended up purchasing a "used but not abused" Ford 3/4 ton diesel pickup with
camper AND a new car for commuting/family use for less than the cost of a
Durango. (Why? Because often one "compromise" vehicle isn't any less
expensive to own and operate than two "purpose" vehicles.)
I'm sure you will be happy with your Durango, but understand it's limitations
and flat tow very, very carefully. You may want to add an auxilliary
transmission cooler and invest in good aftermarket coolant and transmission
temperature gauges because the extra heat generated by towing the additional
load will drastically shorten the life of your transmission fluid and a cooked
tranny is an expensive repair. Also, consider a beefier rear anti-sway bar for
more stable handling.
Good luck.
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
'83 CJ-7
'46 Bantam BT3C
'87 Ford F250 4x4 Diesel
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
>> however selling the Durango and getting a different tow vehicle is not
>> an option.
If only you had asked about the Durango's "real world" capability of towing a
CJ before you bought one. It might not have changed your decision, but you
would have had the benefit of other people's experience.
I once considered the Durango as a potential tow rig, but decided against it
because it was marginally capable of flat towing a loaded, trail ready jeep and
severely overloaded and underpowered when towing a loaded jeep on a trailer. I
ended up purchasing a "used but not abused" Ford 3/4 ton diesel pickup with
camper AND a new car for commuting/family use for less than the cost of a
Durango. (Why? Because often one "compromise" vehicle isn't any less
expensive to own and operate than two "purpose" vehicles.)
I'm sure you will be happy with your Durango, but understand it's limitations
and flat tow very, very carefully. You may want to add an auxilliary
transmission cooler and invest in good aftermarket coolant and transmission
temperature gauges because the extra heat generated by towing the additional
load will drastically shorten the life of your transmission fluid and a cooked
tranny is an expensive repair. Also, consider a beefier rear anti-sway bar for
more stable handling.
Good luck.
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
'83 CJ-7
'46 Bantam BT3C
'87 Ford F250 4x4 Diesel
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
Guest
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Re: flat towing instructions
> I am not trying to turn a deaf ear to the advice I have received here,
>> however selling the Durango and getting a different tow vehicle is not
>> an option.
If only you had asked about the Durango's "real world" capability of towing a
CJ before you bought one. It might not have changed your decision, but you
would have had the benefit of other people's experience.
I once considered the Durango as a potential tow rig, but decided against it
because it was marginally capable of flat towing a loaded, trail ready jeep and
severely overloaded and underpowered when towing a loaded jeep on a trailer. I
ended up purchasing a "used but not abused" Ford 3/4 ton diesel pickup with
camper AND a new car for commuting/family use for less than the cost of a
Durango. (Why? Because often one "compromise" vehicle isn't any less
expensive to own and operate than two "purpose" vehicles.)
I'm sure you will be happy with your Durango, but understand it's limitations
and flat tow very, very carefully. You may want to add an auxilliary
transmission cooler and invest in good aftermarket coolant and transmission
temperature gauges because the extra heat generated by towing the additional
load will drastically shorten the life of your transmission fluid and a cooked
tranny is an expensive repair. Also, consider a beefier rear anti-sway bar for
more stable handling.
Good luck.
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
'83 CJ-7
'46 Bantam BT3C
'87 Ford F250 4x4 Diesel
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
>> however selling the Durango and getting a different tow vehicle is not
>> an option.
If only you had asked about the Durango's "real world" capability of towing a
CJ before you bought one. It might not have changed your decision, but you
would have had the benefit of other people's experience.
I once considered the Durango as a potential tow rig, but decided against it
because it was marginally capable of flat towing a loaded, trail ready jeep and
severely overloaded and underpowered when towing a loaded jeep on a trailer. I
ended up purchasing a "used but not abused" Ford 3/4 ton diesel pickup with
camper AND a new car for commuting/family use for less than the cost of a
Durango. (Why? Because often one "compromise" vehicle isn't any less
expensive to own and operate than two "purpose" vehicles.)
I'm sure you will be happy with your Durango, but understand it's limitations
and flat tow very, very carefully. You may want to add an auxilliary
transmission cooler and invest in good aftermarket coolant and transmission
temperature gauges because the extra heat generated by towing the additional
load will drastically shorten the life of your transmission fluid and a cooked
tranny is an expensive repair. Also, consider a beefier rear anti-sway bar for
more stable handling.
Good luck.
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
'83 CJ-7
'46 Bantam BT3C
'87 Ford F250 4x4 Diesel
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
Guest
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Re: flat towing instructions
> I am not trying to turn a deaf ear to the advice I have received here,
>> however selling the Durango and getting a different tow vehicle is not
>> an option.
If only you had asked about the Durango's "real world" capability of towing a
CJ before you bought one. It might not have changed your decision, but you
would have had the benefit of other people's experience.
I once considered the Durango as a potential tow rig, but decided against it
because it was marginally capable of flat towing a loaded, trail ready jeep and
severely overloaded and underpowered when towing a loaded jeep on a trailer. I
ended up purchasing a "used but not abused" Ford 3/4 ton diesel pickup with
camper AND a new car for commuting/family use for less than the cost of a
Durango. (Why? Because often one "compromise" vehicle isn't any less
expensive to own and operate than two "purpose" vehicles.)
I'm sure you will be happy with your Durango, but understand it's limitations
and flat tow very, very carefully. You may want to add an auxilliary
transmission cooler and invest in good aftermarket coolant and transmission
temperature gauges because the extra heat generated by towing the additional
load will drastically shorten the life of your transmission fluid and a cooked
tranny is an expensive repair. Also, consider a beefier rear anti-sway bar for
more stable handling.
Good luck.
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
'83 CJ-7
'46 Bantam BT3C
'87 Ford F250 4x4 Diesel
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
>> however selling the Durango and getting a different tow vehicle is not
>> an option.
If only you had asked about the Durango's "real world" capability of towing a
CJ before you bought one. It might not have changed your decision, but you
would have had the benefit of other people's experience.
I once considered the Durango as a potential tow rig, but decided against it
because it was marginally capable of flat towing a loaded, trail ready jeep and
severely overloaded and underpowered when towing a loaded jeep on a trailer. I
ended up purchasing a "used but not abused" Ford 3/4 ton diesel pickup with
camper AND a new car for commuting/family use for less than the cost of a
Durango. (Why? Because often one "compromise" vehicle isn't any less
expensive to own and operate than two "purpose" vehicles.)
I'm sure you will be happy with your Durango, but understand it's limitations
and flat tow very, very carefully. You may want to add an auxilliary
transmission cooler and invest in good aftermarket coolant and transmission
temperature gauges because the extra heat generated by towing the additional
load will drastically shorten the life of your transmission fluid and a cooked
tranny is an expensive repair. Also, consider a beefier rear anti-sway bar for
more stable handling.
Good luck.
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
'83 CJ-7
'46 Bantam BT3C
'87 Ford F250 4x4 Diesel
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
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Re: flat towing instructions
I wish a new Excursion or Suburban would fit in my driveway.
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"Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20050202115717.12769.00000361@mb-m11.aol.com...
>
> If only you had asked about the Durango's "real world" capability of
towing a
> CJ before you bought one. It might not have changed your decision, but
you
> would have had the benefit of other people's experience.
>
> I once considered the Durango as a potential tow rig, but decided against
it
> because it was marginally capable of flat towing a loaded, trail ready
jeep and
> severely overloaded and underpowered when towing a loaded jeep on a
trailer. I
> ended up purchasing a "used but not abused" Ford 3/4 ton diesel pickup
with
> camper AND a new car for commuting/family use for less than the cost of a
> Durango. (Why? Because often one "compromise" vehicle isn't any less
> expensive to own and operate than two "purpose" vehicles.)
>
> I'm sure you will be happy with your Durango, but understand it's
limitations
> and flat tow very, very carefully. You may want to add an auxilliary
> transmission cooler and invest in good aftermarket coolant and
transmission
> temperature gauges because the extra heat generated by towing the
additional
> load will drastically shorten the life of your transmission fluid and a
cooked
> tranny is an expensive repair. Also, consider a beefier rear anti-sway
bar for
> more stable handling.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> '83 CJ-7
> '46 Bantam BT3C
> '87 Ford F250 4x4 Diesel
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
>
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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"Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20050202115717.12769.00000361@mb-m11.aol.com...
>
> If only you had asked about the Durango's "real world" capability of
towing a
> CJ before you bought one. It might not have changed your decision, but
you
> would have had the benefit of other people's experience.
>
> I once considered the Durango as a potential tow rig, but decided against
it
> because it was marginally capable of flat towing a loaded, trail ready
jeep and
> severely overloaded and underpowered when towing a loaded jeep on a
trailer. I
> ended up purchasing a "used but not abused" Ford 3/4 ton diesel pickup
with
> camper AND a new car for commuting/family use for less than the cost of a
> Durango. (Why? Because often one "compromise" vehicle isn't any less
> expensive to own and operate than two "purpose" vehicles.)
>
> I'm sure you will be happy with your Durango, but understand it's
limitations
> and flat tow very, very carefully. You may want to add an auxilliary
> transmission cooler and invest in good aftermarket coolant and
transmission
> temperature gauges because the extra heat generated by towing the
additional
> load will drastically shorten the life of your transmission fluid and a
cooked
> tranny is an expensive repair. Also, consider a beefier rear anti-sway
bar for
> more stable handling.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> '83 CJ-7
> '46 Bantam BT3C
> '87 Ford F250 4x4 Diesel
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
>
Guest
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Re: flat towing instructions
I wish a new Excursion or Suburban would fit in my driveway.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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"Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20050202115717.12769.00000361@mb-m11.aol.com...
>
> If only you had asked about the Durango's "real world" capability of
towing a
> CJ before you bought one. It might not have changed your decision, but
you
> would have had the benefit of other people's experience.
>
> I once considered the Durango as a potential tow rig, but decided against
it
> because it was marginally capable of flat towing a loaded, trail ready
jeep and
> severely overloaded and underpowered when towing a loaded jeep on a
trailer. I
> ended up purchasing a "used but not abused" Ford 3/4 ton diesel pickup
with
> camper AND a new car for commuting/family use for less than the cost of a
> Durango. (Why? Because often one "compromise" vehicle isn't any less
> expensive to own and operate than two "purpose" vehicles.)
>
> I'm sure you will be happy with your Durango, but understand it's
limitations
> and flat tow very, very carefully. You may want to add an auxilliary
> transmission cooler and invest in good aftermarket coolant and
transmission
> temperature gauges because the extra heat generated by towing the
additional
> load will drastically shorten the life of your transmission fluid and a
cooked
> tranny is an expensive repair. Also, consider a beefier rear anti-sway
bar for
> more stable handling.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> '83 CJ-7
> '46 Bantam BT3C
> '87 Ford F250 4x4 Diesel
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
>
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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"Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20050202115717.12769.00000361@mb-m11.aol.com...
>
> If only you had asked about the Durango's "real world" capability of
towing a
> CJ before you bought one. It might not have changed your decision, but
you
> would have had the benefit of other people's experience.
>
> I once considered the Durango as a potential tow rig, but decided against
it
> because it was marginally capable of flat towing a loaded, trail ready
jeep and
> severely overloaded and underpowered when towing a loaded jeep on a
trailer. I
> ended up purchasing a "used but not abused" Ford 3/4 ton diesel pickup
with
> camper AND a new car for commuting/family use for less than the cost of a
> Durango. (Why? Because often one "compromise" vehicle isn't any less
> expensive to own and operate than two "purpose" vehicles.)
>
> I'm sure you will be happy with your Durango, but understand it's
limitations
> and flat tow very, very carefully. You may want to add an auxilliary
> transmission cooler and invest in good aftermarket coolant and
transmission
> temperature gauges because the extra heat generated by towing the
additional
> load will drastically shorten the life of your transmission fluid and a
cooked
> tranny is an expensive repair. Also, consider a beefier rear anti-sway
bar for
> more stable handling.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> '83 CJ-7
> '46 Bantam BT3C
> '87 Ford F250 4x4 Diesel
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
>