Discovered Bore
#51
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Discovered Bore
Too bad you are so far away.
You need someone that knows engines and isn't just out to take you
money.
Something really strange is going on.....
What you are now describing is blow by, big blow by.
You cannot have this with 150 psi compression unless the PCV valve is
just plain broken or shut off from a bad charcoal canister.
What did your air filter look like? It 'must' have been just full of
oil to have the intake with oil pools in it.
If it wasn't full of oil, then you do not have 'blow by'.
You also 'must' have had one big blue cloud following you with the
amount of oil you describe in the intake, no two ways about it. (unless
it is gas wash)
You are aware that a dead charcoal canister will produce enough blow by
to really imitate a blown engine right? It will soak an air filter in a
week.
I am really almost thinking that someone sold you a dead FI system. I
think it was broken and giving them the same fits and strange symptoms
you are getting so they unloaded it on you.
Gas wash is very strange if you haven't seen it before. It takes very
little gas to wash down the dirt and oil and make a messy slurry that
almost looks like oil. This can pool in an intake manifold or into a
piston.
You are describing injectors leaking down and pooling in the intake or
'gas wash'.
Good luck Bill!
I am out of ideas.
Mike
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> I took the intake manifold to a perfomance shop today to have the injector
> in question tested and the mechanic told me it's highly unlikely to be
> cylinder wash. He looked at the intake manifold and saw oil in each
> manifold "finger" (which I didn't see before) and when he opened the
> throttle there was a pool of oil in the there. When I looked in the same
> place when the intake was on the engine I didn't see a drop. I felt and ran
> a q-tip inside the pcv valve hose and didn't come back with any oil stains.
> I put my hand inside the filter hose which connects to the throttle body and
> I didn't feel any oil there either. Of course, this was closer to when I
> started this process and not in the later days. Could be it got worse in
> the end or was pooled in the intake and didn't show up in the throttle body.
> He told me Blow By was going on and I needed a new engine.
>
> Is there anything else that could be going on as I'm getting ansy about
> pulling this piston. Could there be some effect which is affecting only #2?
> Should I have him test #2 injector anyway and see what he finds?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:403E9B6D.FF814819@sympatico.ca...
> > I would 'highly' recommend you get a hold of the shop and try to find
> > out exactly what they did to it and what the invoices mean.
> >
> > I saw a 'generic' rebuilt engine quote.
> >
> > They only fix what is messed up on those kind of quotes....
> >
> > Still looks like a gas washed cylinder to me though...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > Looks like my pistons are .40 over. There's a 40 on top of the pistons.
You need someone that knows engines and isn't just out to take you
money.
Something really strange is going on.....
What you are now describing is blow by, big blow by.
You cannot have this with 150 psi compression unless the PCV valve is
just plain broken or shut off from a bad charcoal canister.
What did your air filter look like? It 'must' have been just full of
oil to have the intake with oil pools in it.
If it wasn't full of oil, then you do not have 'blow by'.
You also 'must' have had one big blue cloud following you with the
amount of oil you describe in the intake, no two ways about it. (unless
it is gas wash)
You are aware that a dead charcoal canister will produce enough blow by
to really imitate a blown engine right? It will soak an air filter in a
week.
I am really almost thinking that someone sold you a dead FI system. I
think it was broken and giving them the same fits and strange symptoms
you are getting so they unloaded it on you.
Gas wash is very strange if you haven't seen it before. It takes very
little gas to wash down the dirt and oil and make a messy slurry that
almost looks like oil. This can pool in an intake manifold or into a
piston.
You are describing injectors leaking down and pooling in the intake or
'gas wash'.
Good luck Bill!
I am out of ideas.
Mike
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> I took the intake manifold to a perfomance shop today to have the injector
> in question tested and the mechanic told me it's highly unlikely to be
> cylinder wash. He looked at the intake manifold and saw oil in each
> manifold "finger" (which I didn't see before) and when he opened the
> throttle there was a pool of oil in the there. When I looked in the same
> place when the intake was on the engine I didn't see a drop. I felt and ran
> a q-tip inside the pcv valve hose and didn't come back with any oil stains.
> I put my hand inside the filter hose which connects to the throttle body and
> I didn't feel any oil there either. Of course, this was closer to when I
> started this process and not in the later days. Could be it got worse in
> the end or was pooled in the intake and didn't show up in the throttle body.
> He told me Blow By was going on and I needed a new engine.
>
> Is there anything else that could be going on as I'm getting ansy about
> pulling this piston. Could there be some effect which is affecting only #2?
> Should I have him test #2 injector anyway and see what he finds?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:403E9B6D.FF814819@sympatico.ca...
> > I would 'highly' recommend you get a hold of the shop and try to find
> > out exactly what they did to it and what the invoices mean.
> >
> > I saw a 'generic' rebuilt engine quote.
> >
> > They only fix what is messed up on those kind of quotes....
> >
> > Still looks like a gas washed cylinder to me though...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > Looks like my pistons are .40 over. There's a 40 on top of the pistons.
#52
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Discovered Bore
Too bad you are so far away.
You need someone that knows engines and isn't just out to take you
money.
Something really strange is going on.....
What you are now describing is blow by, big blow by.
You cannot have this with 150 psi compression unless the PCV valve is
just plain broken or shut off from a bad charcoal canister.
What did your air filter look like? It 'must' have been just full of
oil to have the intake with oil pools in it.
If it wasn't full of oil, then you do not have 'blow by'.
You also 'must' have had one big blue cloud following you with the
amount of oil you describe in the intake, no two ways about it. (unless
it is gas wash)
You are aware that a dead charcoal canister will produce enough blow by
to really imitate a blown engine right? It will soak an air filter in a
week.
I am really almost thinking that someone sold you a dead FI system. I
think it was broken and giving them the same fits and strange symptoms
you are getting so they unloaded it on you.
Gas wash is very strange if you haven't seen it before. It takes very
little gas to wash down the dirt and oil and make a messy slurry that
almost looks like oil. This can pool in an intake manifold or into a
piston.
You are describing injectors leaking down and pooling in the intake or
'gas wash'.
Good luck Bill!
I am out of ideas.
Mike
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> I took the intake manifold to a perfomance shop today to have the injector
> in question tested and the mechanic told me it's highly unlikely to be
> cylinder wash. He looked at the intake manifold and saw oil in each
> manifold "finger" (which I didn't see before) and when he opened the
> throttle there was a pool of oil in the there. When I looked in the same
> place when the intake was on the engine I didn't see a drop. I felt and ran
> a q-tip inside the pcv valve hose and didn't come back with any oil stains.
> I put my hand inside the filter hose which connects to the throttle body and
> I didn't feel any oil there either. Of course, this was closer to when I
> started this process and not in the later days. Could be it got worse in
> the end or was pooled in the intake and didn't show up in the throttle body.
> He told me Blow By was going on and I needed a new engine.
>
> Is there anything else that could be going on as I'm getting ansy about
> pulling this piston. Could there be some effect which is affecting only #2?
> Should I have him test #2 injector anyway and see what he finds?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:403E9B6D.FF814819@sympatico.ca...
> > I would 'highly' recommend you get a hold of the shop and try to find
> > out exactly what they did to it and what the invoices mean.
> >
> > I saw a 'generic' rebuilt engine quote.
> >
> > They only fix what is messed up on those kind of quotes....
> >
> > Still looks like a gas washed cylinder to me though...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > Looks like my pistons are .40 over. There's a 40 on top of the pistons.
You need someone that knows engines and isn't just out to take you
money.
Something really strange is going on.....
What you are now describing is blow by, big blow by.
You cannot have this with 150 psi compression unless the PCV valve is
just plain broken or shut off from a bad charcoal canister.
What did your air filter look like? It 'must' have been just full of
oil to have the intake with oil pools in it.
If it wasn't full of oil, then you do not have 'blow by'.
You also 'must' have had one big blue cloud following you with the
amount of oil you describe in the intake, no two ways about it. (unless
it is gas wash)
You are aware that a dead charcoal canister will produce enough blow by
to really imitate a blown engine right? It will soak an air filter in a
week.
I am really almost thinking that someone sold you a dead FI system. I
think it was broken and giving them the same fits and strange symptoms
you are getting so they unloaded it on you.
Gas wash is very strange if you haven't seen it before. It takes very
little gas to wash down the dirt and oil and make a messy slurry that
almost looks like oil. This can pool in an intake manifold or into a
piston.
You are describing injectors leaking down and pooling in the intake or
'gas wash'.
Good luck Bill!
I am out of ideas.
Mike
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> I took the intake manifold to a perfomance shop today to have the injector
> in question tested and the mechanic told me it's highly unlikely to be
> cylinder wash. He looked at the intake manifold and saw oil in each
> manifold "finger" (which I didn't see before) and when he opened the
> throttle there was a pool of oil in the there. When I looked in the same
> place when the intake was on the engine I didn't see a drop. I felt and ran
> a q-tip inside the pcv valve hose and didn't come back with any oil stains.
> I put my hand inside the filter hose which connects to the throttle body and
> I didn't feel any oil there either. Of course, this was closer to when I
> started this process and not in the later days. Could be it got worse in
> the end or was pooled in the intake and didn't show up in the throttle body.
> He told me Blow By was going on and I needed a new engine.
>
> Is there anything else that could be going on as I'm getting ansy about
> pulling this piston. Could there be some effect which is affecting only #2?
> Should I have him test #2 injector anyway and see what he finds?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:403E9B6D.FF814819@sympatico.ca...
> > I would 'highly' recommend you get a hold of the shop and try to find
> > out exactly what they did to it and what the invoices mean.
> >
> > I saw a 'generic' rebuilt engine quote.
> >
> > They only fix what is messed up on those kind of quotes....
> >
> > Still looks like a gas washed cylinder to me though...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > Looks like my pistons are .40 over. There's a 40 on top of the pistons.
#53
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Discovered Bore
Mike,
Is there any way to test a charcoal can detatched from the jeep?
Would a bad charcoal Can cause the effect like we see in #2 cylinder?
When I checked the other items (air filter tube/housing, pcv tube, throttle
body) I also looked at the air filter. It was dirty at the bottom but
nothing that bad. Remember, this air filter is sprayed with oil so the oil
I sprayed it with accumulated at the bottom. Like an ounce or so. You
couldn't even get your hands wet with it. Not to the degree you discribe.
Bill
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:403F5D0B.78D5950F@sympatico.ca...
> Too bad you are so far away.
>
> You need someone that knows engines and isn't just out to take you
> money.
>
> Something really strange is going on.....
>
> What you are now describing is blow by, big blow by.
>
> You cannot have this with 150 psi compression unless the PCV valve is
> just plain broken or shut off from a bad charcoal canister.
>
> What did your air filter look like? It 'must' have been just full of
> oil to have the intake with oil pools in it.
>
> If it wasn't full of oil, then you do not have 'blow by'.
>
> You also 'must' have had one big blue cloud following you with the
> amount of oil you describe in the intake, no two ways about it. (unless
> it is gas wash)
>
> You are aware that a dead charcoal canister will produce enough blow by
> to really imitate a blown engine right? It will soak an air filter in a
> week.
>
> I am really almost thinking that someone sold you a dead FI system. I
> think it was broken and giving them the same fits and strange symptoms
> you are getting so they unloaded it on you.
>
> Gas wash is very strange if you haven't seen it before. It takes very
> little gas to wash down the dirt and oil and make a messy slurry that
> almost looks like oil. This can pool in an intake manifold or into a
> piston.
>
> You are describing injectors leaking down and pooling in the intake or
> 'gas wash'.
>
> Good luck Bill!
>
> I am out of ideas.
>
> Mike
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > I took the intake manifold to a perfomance shop today to have the
injector
> > in question tested and the mechanic told me it's highly unlikely to be
> > cylinder wash. He looked at the intake manifold and saw oil in each
> > manifold "finger" (which I didn't see before) and when he opened the
> > throttle there was a pool of oil in the there. When I looked in the
same
> > place when the intake was on the engine I didn't see a drop. I felt and
ran
> > a q-tip inside the pcv valve hose and didn't come back with any oil
stains.
> > I put my hand inside the filter hose which connects to the throttle body
and
> > I didn't feel any oil there either. Of course, this was closer to when
I
> > started this process and not in the later days. Could be it got worse
in
> > the end or was pooled in the intake and didn't show up in the throttle
body.
> > He told me Blow By was going on and I needed a new engine.
> >
> > Is there anything else that could be going on as I'm getting ansy about
> > pulling this piston. Could there be some effect which is affecting only
#2?
> > Should I have him test #2 injector anyway and see what he finds?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:403E9B6D.FF814819@sympatico.ca...
> > > I would 'highly' recommend you get a hold of the shop and try to find
> > > out exactly what they did to it and what the invoices mean.
> > >
> > > I saw a 'generic' rebuilt engine quote.
> > >
> > > They only fix what is messed up on those kind of quotes....
> > >
> > > Still looks like a gas washed cylinder to me though...
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Looks like my pistons are .40 over. There's a 40 on top of the
pistons.
Is there any way to test a charcoal can detatched from the jeep?
Would a bad charcoal Can cause the effect like we see in #2 cylinder?
When I checked the other items (air filter tube/housing, pcv tube, throttle
body) I also looked at the air filter. It was dirty at the bottom but
nothing that bad. Remember, this air filter is sprayed with oil so the oil
I sprayed it with accumulated at the bottom. Like an ounce or so. You
couldn't even get your hands wet with it. Not to the degree you discribe.
Bill
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:403F5D0B.78D5950F@sympatico.ca...
> Too bad you are so far away.
>
> You need someone that knows engines and isn't just out to take you
> money.
>
> Something really strange is going on.....
>
> What you are now describing is blow by, big blow by.
>
> You cannot have this with 150 psi compression unless the PCV valve is
> just plain broken or shut off from a bad charcoal canister.
>
> What did your air filter look like? It 'must' have been just full of
> oil to have the intake with oil pools in it.
>
> If it wasn't full of oil, then you do not have 'blow by'.
>
> You also 'must' have had one big blue cloud following you with the
> amount of oil you describe in the intake, no two ways about it. (unless
> it is gas wash)
>
> You are aware that a dead charcoal canister will produce enough blow by
> to really imitate a blown engine right? It will soak an air filter in a
> week.
>
> I am really almost thinking that someone sold you a dead FI system. I
> think it was broken and giving them the same fits and strange symptoms
> you are getting so they unloaded it on you.
>
> Gas wash is very strange if you haven't seen it before. It takes very
> little gas to wash down the dirt and oil and make a messy slurry that
> almost looks like oil. This can pool in an intake manifold or into a
> piston.
>
> You are describing injectors leaking down and pooling in the intake or
> 'gas wash'.
>
> Good luck Bill!
>
> I am out of ideas.
>
> Mike
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > I took the intake manifold to a perfomance shop today to have the
injector
> > in question tested and the mechanic told me it's highly unlikely to be
> > cylinder wash. He looked at the intake manifold and saw oil in each
> > manifold "finger" (which I didn't see before) and when he opened the
> > throttle there was a pool of oil in the there. When I looked in the
same
> > place when the intake was on the engine I didn't see a drop. I felt and
ran
> > a q-tip inside the pcv valve hose and didn't come back with any oil
stains.
> > I put my hand inside the filter hose which connects to the throttle body
and
> > I didn't feel any oil there either. Of course, this was closer to when
I
> > started this process and not in the later days. Could be it got worse
in
> > the end or was pooled in the intake and didn't show up in the throttle
body.
> > He told me Blow By was going on and I needed a new engine.
> >
> > Is there anything else that could be going on as I'm getting ansy about
> > pulling this piston. Could there be some effect which is affecting only
#2?
> > Should I have him test #2 injector anyway and see what he finds?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:403E9B6D.FF814819@sympatico.ca...
> > > I would 'highly' recommend you get a hold of the shop and try to find
> > > out exactly what they did to it and what the invoices mean.
> > >
> > > I saw a 'generic' rebuilt engine quote.
> > >
> > > They only fix what is messed up on those kind of quotes....
> > >
> > > Still looks like a gas washed cylinder to me though...
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Looks like my pistons are .40 over. There's a 40 on top of the
pistons.
#54
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Discovered Bore
Mike,
Is there any way to test a charcoal can detatched from the jeep?
Would a bad charcoal Can cause the effect like we see in #2 cylinder?
When I checked the other items (air filter tube/housing, pcv tube, throttle
body) I also looked at the air filter. It was dirty at the bottom but
nothing that bad. Remember, this air filter is sprayed with oil so the oil
I sprayed it with accumulated at the bottom. Like an ounce or so. You
couldn't even get your hands wet with it. Not to the degree you discribe.
Bill
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:403F5D0B.78D5950F@sympatico.ca...
> Too bad you are so far away.
>
> You need someone that knows engines and isn't just out to take you
> money.
>
> Something really strange is going on.....
>
> What you are now describing is blow by, big blow by.
>
> You cannot have this with 150 psi compression unless the PCV valve is
> just plain broken or shut off from a bad charcoal canister.
>
> What did your air filter look like? It 'must' have been just full of
> oil to have the intake with oil pools in it.
>
> If it wasn't full of oil, then you do not have 'blow by'.
>
> You also 'must' have had one big blue cloud following you with the
> amount of oil you describe in the intake, no two ways about it. (unless
> it is gas wash)
>
> You are aware that a dead charcoal canister will produce enough blow by
> to really imitate a blown engine right? It will soak an air filter in a
> week.
>
> I am really almost thinking that someone sold you a dead FI system. I
> think it was broken and giving them the same fits and strange symptoms
> you are getting so they unloaded it on you.
>
> Gas wash is very strange if you haven't seen it before. It takes very
> little gas to wash down the dirt and oil and make a messy slurry that
> almost looks like oil. This can pool in an intake manifold or into a
> piston.
>
> You are describing injectors leaking down and pooling in the intake or
> 'gas wash'.
>
> Good luck Bill!
>
> I am out of ideas.
>
> Mike
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > I took the intake manifold to a perfomance shop today to have the
injector
> > in question tested and the mechanic told me it's highly unlikely to be
> > cylinder wash. He looked at the intake manifold and saw oil in each
> > manifold "finger" (which I didn't see before) and when he opened the
> > throttle there was a pool of oil in the there. When I looked in the
same
> > place when the intake was on the engine I didn't see a drop. I felt and
ran
> > a q-tip inside the pcv valve hose and didn't come back with any oil
stains.
> > I put my hand inside the filter hose which connects to the throttle body
and
> > I didn't feel any oil there either. Of course, this was closer to when
I
> > started this process and not in the later days. Could be it got worse
in
> > the end or was pooled in the intake and didn't show up in the throttle
body.
> > He told me Blow By was going on and I needed a new engine.
> >
> > Is there anything else that could be going on as I'm getting ansy about
> > pulling this piston. Could there be some effect which is affecting only
#2?
> > Should I have him test #2 injector anyway and see what he finds?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:403E9B6D.FF814819@sympatico.ca...
> > > I would 'highly' recommend you get a hold of the shop and try to find
> > > out exactly what they did to it and what the invoices mean.
> > >
> > > I saw a 'generic' rebuilt engine quote.
> > >
> > > They only fix what is messed up on those kind of quotes....
> > >
> > > Still looks like a gas washed cylinder to me though...
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Looks like my pistons are .40 over. There's a 40 on top of the
pistons.
Is there any way to test a charcoal can detatched from the jeep?
Would a bad charcoal Can cause the effect like we see in #2 cylinder?
When I checked the other items (air filter tube/housing, pcv tube, throttle
body) I also looked at the air filter. It was dirty at the bottom but
nothing that bad. Remember, this air filter is sprayed with oil so the oil
I sprayed it with accumulated at the bottom. Like an ounce or so. You
couldn't even get your hands wet with it. Not to the degree you discribe.
Bill
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:403F5D0B.78D5950F@sympatico.ca...
> Too bad you are so far away.
>
> You need someone that knows engines and isn't just out to take you
> money.
>
> Something really strange is going on.....
>
> What you are now describing is blow by, big blow by.
>
> You cannot have this with 150 psi compression unless the PCV valve is
> just plain broken or shut off from a bad charcoal canister.
>
> What did your air filter look like? It 'must' have been just full of
> oil to have the intake with oil pools in it.
>
> If it wasn't full of oil, then you do not have 'blow by'.
>
> You also 'must' have had one big blue cloud following you with the
> amount of oil you describe in the intake, no two ways about it. (unless
> it is gas wash)
>
> You are aware that a dead charcoal canister will produce enough blow by
> to really imitate a blown engine right? It will soak an air filter in a
> week.
>
> I am really almost thinking that someone sold you a dead FI system. I
> think it was broken and giving them the same fits and strange symptoms
> you are getting so they unloaded it on you.
>
> Gas wash is very strange if you haven't seen it before. It takes very
> little gas to wash down the dirt and oil and make a messy slurry that
> almost looks like oil. This can pool in an intake manifold or into a
> piston.
>
> You are describing injectors leaking down and pooling in the intake or
> 'gas wash'.
>
> Good luck Bill!
>
> I am out of ideas.
>
> Mike
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > I took the intake manifold to a perfomance shop today to have the
injector
> > in question tested and the mechanic told me it's highly unlikely to be
> > cylinder wash. He looked at the intake manifold and saw oil in each
> > manifold "finger" (which I didn't see before) and when he opened the
> > throttle there was a pool of oil in the there. When I looked in the
same
> > place when the intake was on the engine I didn't see a drop. I felt and
ran
> > a q-tip inside the pcv valve hose and didn't come back with any oil
stains.
> > I put my hand inside the filter hose which connects to the throttle body
and
> > I didn't feel any oil there either. Of course, this was closer to when
I
> > started this process and not in the later days. Could be it got worse
in
> > the end or was pooled in the intake and didn't show up in the throttle
body.
> > He told me Blow By was going on and I needed a new engine.
> >
> > Is there anything else that could be going on as I'm getting ansy about
> > pulling this piston. Could there be some effect which is affecting only
#2?
> > Should I have him test #2 injector anyway and see what he finds?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:403E9B6D.FF814819@sympatico.ca...
> > > I would 'highly' recommend you get a hold of the shop and try to find
> > > out exactly what they did to it and what the invoices mean.
> > >
> > > I saw a 'generic' rebuilt engine quote.
> > >
> > > They only fix what is messed up on those kind of quotes....
> > >
> > > Still looks like a gas washed cylinder to me though...
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Looks like my pistons are .40 over. There's a 40 on top of the
pistons.
#55
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Discovered Bore
Mike,
Is there any way to test a charcoal can detatched from the jeep?
Would a bad charcoal Can cause the effect like we see in #2 cylinder?
When I checked the other items (air filter tube/housing, pcv tube, throttle
body) I also looked at the air filter. It was dirty at the bottom but
nothing that bad. Remember, this air filter is sprayed with oil so the oil
I sprayed it with accumulated at the bottom. Like an ounce or so. You
couldn't even get your hands wet with it. Not to the degree you discribe.
Bill
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:403F5D0B.78D5950F@sympatico.ca...
> Too bad you are so far away.
>
> You need someone that knows engines and isn't just out to take you
> money.
>
> Something really strange is going on.....
>
> What you are now describing is blow by, big blow by.
>
> You cannot have this with 150 psi compression unless the PCV valve is
> just plain broken or shut off from a bad charcoal canister.
>
> What did your air filter look like? It 'must' have been just full of
> oil to have the intake with oil pools in it.
>
> If it wasn't full of oil, then you do not have 'blow by'.
>
> You also 'must' have had one big blue cloud following you with the
> amount of oil you describe in the intake, no two ways about it. (unless
> it is gas wash)
>
> You are aware that a dead charcoal canister will produce enough blow by
> to really imitate a blown engine right? It will soak an air filter in a
> week.
>
> I am really almost thinking that someone sold you a dead FI system. I
> think it was broken and giving them the same fits and strange symptoms
> you are getting so they unloaded it on you.
>
> Gas wash is very strange if you haven't seen it before. It takes very
> little gas to wash down the dirt and oil and make a messy slurry that
> almost looks like oil. This can pool in an intake manifold or into a
> piston.
>
> You are describing injectors leaking down and pooling in the intake or
> 'gas wash'.
>
> Good luck Bill!
>
> I am out of ideas.
>
> Mike
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > I took the intake manifold to a perfomance shop today to have the
injector
> > in question tested and the mechanic told me it's highly unlikely to be
> > cylinder wash. He looked at the intake manifold and saw oil in each
> > manifold "finger" (which I didn't see before) and when he opened the
> > throttle there was a pool of oil in the there. When I looked in the
same
> > place when the intake was on the engine I didn't see a drop. I felt and
ran
> > a q-tip inside the pcv valve hose and didn't come back with any oil
stains.
> > I put my hand inside the filter hose which connects to the throttle body
and
> > I didn't feel any oil there either. Of course, this was closer to when
I
> > started this process and not in the later days. Could be it got worse
in
> > the end or was pooled in the intake and didn't show up in the throttle
body.
> > He told me Blow By was going on and I needed a new engine.
> >
> > Is there anything else that could be going on as I'm getting ansy about
> > pulling this piston. Could there be some effect which is affecting only
#2?
> > Should I have him test #2 injector anyway and see what he finds?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:403E9B6D.FF814819@sympatico.ca...
> > > I would 'highly' recommend you get a hold of the shop and try to find
> > > out exactly what they did to it and what the invoices mean.
> > >
> > > I saw a 'generic' rebuilt engine quote.
> > >
> > > They only fix what is messed up on those kind of quotes....
> > >
> > > Still looks like a gas washed cylinder to me though...
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Looks like my pistons are .40 over. There's a 40 on top of the
pistons.
Is there any way to test a charcoal can detatched from the jeep?
Would a bad charcoal Can cause the effect like we see in #2 cylinder?
When I checked the other items (air filter tube/housing, pcv tube, throttle
body) I also looked at the air filter. It was dirty at the bottom but
nothing that bad. Remember, this air filter is sprayed with oil so the oil
I sprayed it with accumulated at the bottom. Like an ounce or so. You
couldn't even get your hands wet with it. Not to the degree you discribe.
Bill
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:403F5D0B.78D5950F@sympatico.ca...
> Too bad you are so far away.
>
> You need someone that knows engines and isn't just out to take you
> money.
>
> Something really strange is going on.....
>
> What you are now describing is blow by, big blow by.
>
> You cannot have this with 150 psi compression unless the PCV valve is
> just plain broken or shut off from a bad charcoal canister.
>
> What did your air filter look like? It 'must' have been just full of
> oil to have the intake with oil pools in it.
>
> If it wasn't full of oil, then you do not have 'blow by'.
>
> You also 'must' have had one big blue cloud following you with the
> amount of oil you describe in the intake, no two ways about it. (unless
> it is gas wash)
>
> You are aware that a dead charcoal canister will produce enough blow by
> to really imitate a blown engine right? It will soak an air filter in a
> week.
>
> I am really almost thinking that someone sold you a dead FI system. I
> think it was broken and giving them the same fits and strange symptoms
> you are getting so they unloaded it on you.
>
> Gas wash is very strange if you haven't seen it before. It takes very
> little gas to wash down the dirt and oil and make a messy slurry that
> almost looks like oil. This can pool in an intake manifold or into a
> piston.
>
> You are describing injectors leaking down and pooling in the intake or
> 'gas wash'.
>
> Good luck Bill!
>
> I am out of ideas.
>
> Mike
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > I took the intake manifold to a perfomance shop today to have the
injector
> > in question tested and the mechanic told me it's highly unlikely to be
> > cylinder wash. He looked at the intake manifold and saw oil in each
> > manifold "finger" (which I didn't see before) and when he opened the
> > throttle there was a pool of oil in the there. When I looked in the
same
> > place when the intake was on the engine I didn't see a drop. I felt and
ran
> > a q-tip inside the pcv valve hose and didn't come back with any oil
stains.
> > I put my hand inside the filter hose which connects to the throttle body
and
> > I didn't feel any oil there either. Of course, this was closer to when
I
> > started this process and not in the later days. Could be it got worse
in
> > the end or was pooled in the intake and didn't show up in the throttle
body.
> > He told me Blow By was going on and I needed a new engine.
> >
> > Is there anything else that could be going on as I'm getting ansy about
> > pulling this piston. Could there be some effect which is affecting only
#2?
> > Should I have him test #2 injector anyway and see what he finds?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:403E9B6D.FF814819@sympatico.ca...
> > > I would 'highly' recommend you get a hold of the shop and try to find
> > > out exactly what they did to it and what the invoices mean.
> > >
> > > I saw a 'generic' rebuilt engine quote.
> > >
> > > They only fix what is messed up on those kind of quotes....
> > >
> > > Still looks like a gas washed cylinder to me though...
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Looks like my pistons are .40 over. There's a 40 on top of the
pistons.
#56
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Discovered Bore
The charcoal canister purges into the PCV system when the engine is hot
and at speed.
If the purge valve is blown, it effectively shuts down the PCV system so
oil blows into the air filter.
The only test I know is to pinch off the line from the canister to the
PCV system at idle to see if the idle changes. If the idle changes, the
canister purge is dead.
A dead canister will also cause an unstable idle speed. It will vary up
and down and surge slightly.
No, a dead canister will not just get one cylinder 'wet'. I also don't
believe a dead canister or blow by of any type can pool oil in the
bottom of the intake manifold or in the individual fingers leading to
the cylinders.
When my air filter filled with oil, it dripped out on the ground. The
lip of the intake prevents oil from dripping down the throat of the carb
or TB unless the oil in the air filter is deeper than 1/4" or so and you
have the air filter that sits on top of the carb or TB.
I still think gas and bad injectors man.....
How was the gas mileage on that engine?
If it was mine, I think I would put the carb back on and see what
happens before spending a dime on it.
Mike
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Mike,
> Is there any way to test a charcoal can detatched from the jeep?
>
> Would a bad charcoal Can cause the effect like we see in #2 cylinder?
>
> When I checked the other items (air filter tube/housing, pcv tube, throttle
> body) I also looked at the air filter. It was dirty at the bottom but
> nothing that bad. Remember, this air filter is sprayed with oil so the oil
> I sprayed it with accumulated at the bottom. Like an ounce or so. You
> couldn't even get your hands wet with it. Not to the degree you discribe.
>
> Bill
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:403F5D0B.78D5950F@sympatico.ca...
> > Too bad you are so far away.
> >
> > You need someone that knows engines and isn't just out to take you
> > money.
> >
> > Something really strange is going on.....
> >
> > What you are now describing is blow by, big blow by.
> >
> > You cannot have this with 150 psi compression unless the PCV valve is
> > just plain broken or shut off from a bad charcoal canister.
> >
> > What did your air filter look like? It 'must' have been just full of
> > oil to have the intake with oil pools in it.
> >
> > If it wasn't full of oil, then you do not have 'blow by'.
> >
> > You also 'must' have had one big blue cloud following you with the
> > amount of oil you describe in the intake, no two ways about it. (unless
> > it is gas wash)
> >
> > You are aware that a dead charcoal canister will produce enough blow by
> > to really imitate a blown engine right? It will soak an air filter in a
> > week.
> >
> > I am really almost thinking that someone sold you a dead FI system. I
> > think it was broken and giving them the same fits and strange symptoms
> > you are getting so they unloaded it on you.
> >
> > Gas wash is very strange if you haven't seen it before. It takes very
> > little gas to wash down the dirt and oil and make a messy slurry that
> > almost looks like oil. This can pool in an intake manifold or into a
> > piston.
> >
> > You are describing injectors leaking down and pooling in the intake or
> > 'gas wash'.
> >
> > Good luck Bill!
> >
> > I am out of ideas.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > I took the intake manifold to a perfomance shop today to have the
> injector
> > > in question tested and the mechanic told me it's highly unlikely to be
> > > cylinder wash. He looked at the intake manifold and saw oil in each
> > > manifold "finger" (which I didn't see before) and when he opened the
> > > throttle there was a pool of oil in the there. When I looked in the
> same
> > > place when the intake was on the engine I didn't see a drop. I felt and
> ran
> > > a q-tip inside the pcv valve hose and didn't come back with any oil
> stains.
> > > I put my hand inside the filter hose which connects to the throttle body
> and
> > > I didn't feel any oil there either. Of course, this was closer to when
> I
> > > started this process and not in the later days. Could be it got worse
> in
> > > the end or was pooled in the intake and didn't show up in the throttle
> body.
> > > He told me Blow By was going on and I needed a new engine.
> > >
> > > Is there anything else that could be going on as I'm getting ansy about
> > > pulling this piston. Could there be some effect which is affecting only
> #2?
> > > Should I have him test #2 injector anyway and see what he finds?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:403E9B6D.FF814819@sympatico.ca...
> > > > I would 'highly' recommend you get a hold of the shop and try to find
> > > > out exactly what they did to it and what the invoices mean.
> > > >
> > > > I saw a 'generic' rebuilt engine quote.
> > > >
> > > > They only fix what is messed up on those kind of quotes....
> > > >
> > > > Still looks like a gas washed cylinder to me though...
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Looks like my pistons are .40 over. There's a 40 on top of the
> pistons.
and at speed.
If the purge valve is blown, it effectively shuts down the PCV system so
oil blows into the air filter.
The only test I know is to pinch off the line from the canister to the
PCV system at idle to see if the idle changes. If the idle changes, the
canister purge is dead.
A dead canister will also cause an unstable idle speed. It will vary up
and down and surge slightly.
No, a dead canister will not just get one cylinder 'wet'. I also don't
believe a dead canister or blow by of any type can pool oil in the
bottom of the intake manifold or in the individual fingers leading to
the cylinders.
When my air filter filled with oil, it dripped out on the ground. The
lip of the intake prevents oil from dripping down the throat of the carb
or TB unless the oil in the air filter is deeper than 1/4" or so and you
have the air filter that sits on top of the carb or TB.
I still think gas and bad injectors man.....
How was the gas mileage on that engine?
If it was mine, I think I would put the carb back on and see what
happens before spending a dime on it.
Mike
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Mike,
> Is there any way to test a charcoal can detatched from the jeep?
>
> Would a bad charcoal Can cause the effect like we see in #2 cylinder?
>
> When I checked the other items (air filter tube/housing, pcv tube, throttle
> body) I also looked at the air filter. It was dirty at the bottom but
> nothing that bad. Remember, this air filter is sprayed with oil so the oil
> I sprayed it with accumulated at the bottom. Like an ounce or so. You
> couldn't even get your hands wet with it. Not to the degree you discribe.
>
> Bill
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:403F5D0B.78D5950F@sympatico.ca...
> > Too bad you are so far away.
> >
> > You need someone that knows engines and isn't just out to take you
> > money.
> >
> > Something really strange is going on.....
> >
> > What you are now describing is blow by, big blow by.
> >
> > You cannot have this with 150 psi compression unless the PCV valve is
> > just plain broken or shut off from a bad charcoal canister.
> >
> > What did your air filter look like? It 'must' have been just full of
> > oil to have the intake with oil pools in it.
> >
> > If it wasn't full of oil, then you do not have 'blow by'.
> >
> > You also 'must' have had one big blue cloud following you with the
> > amount of oil you describe in the intake, no two ways about it. (unless
> > it is gas wash)
> >
> > You are aware that a dead charcoal canister will produce enough blow by
> > to really imitate a blown engine right? It will soak an air filter in a
> > week.
> >
> > I am really almost thinking that someone sold you a dead FI system. I
> > think it was broken and giving them the same fits and strange symptoms
> > you are getting so they unloaded it on you.
> >
> > Gas wash is very strange if you haven't seen it before. It takes very
> > little gas to wash down the dirt and oil and make a messy slurry that
> > almost looks like oil. This can pool in an intake manifold or into a
> > piston.
> >
> > You are describing injectors leaking down and pooling in the intake or
> > 'gas wash'.
> >
> > Good luck Bill!
> >
> > I am out of ideas.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > I took the intake manifold to a perfomance shop today to have the
> injector
> > > in question tested and the mechanic told me it's highly unlikely to be
> > > cylinder wash. He looked at the intake manifold and saw oil in each
> > > manifold "finger" (which I didn't see before) and when he opened the
> > > throttle there was a pool of oil in the there. When I looked in the
> same
> > > place when the intake was on the engine I didn't see a drop. I felt and
> ran
> > > a q-tip inside the pcv valve hose and didn't come back with any oil
> stains.
> > > I put my hand inside the filter hose which connects to the throttle body
> and
> > > I didn't feel any oil there either. Of course, this was closer to when
> I
> > > started this process and not in the later days. Could be it got worse
> in
> > > the end or was pooled in the intake and didn't show up in the throttle
> body.
> > > He told me Blow By was going on and I needed a new engine.
> > >
> > > Is there anything else that could be going on as I'm getting ansy about
> > > pulling this piston. Could there be some effect which is affecting only
> #2?
> > > Should I have him test #2 injector anyway and see what he finds?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:403E9B6D.FF814819@sympatico.ca...
> > > > I would 'highly' recommend you get a hold of the shop and try to find
> > > > out exactly what they did to it and what the invoices mean.
> > > >
> > > > I saw a 'generic' rebuilt engine quote.
> > > >
> > > > They only fix what is messed up on those kind of quotes....
> > > >
> > > > Still looks like a gas washed cylinder to me though...
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Looks like my pistons are .40 over. There's a 40 on top of the
> pistons.
#57
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Discovered Bore
The charcoal canister purges into the PCV system when the engine is hot
and at speed.
If the purge valve is blown, it effectively shuts down the PCV system so
oil blows into the air filter.
The only test I know is to pinch off the line from the canister to the
PCV system at idle to see if the idle changes. If the idle changes, the
canister purge is dead.
A dead canister will also cause an unstable idle speed. It will vary up
and down and surge slightly.
No, a dead canister will not just get one cylinder 'wet'. I also don't
believe a dead canister or blow by of any type can pool oil in the
bottom of the intake manifold or in the individual fingers leading to
the cylinders.
When my air filter filled with oil, it dripped out on the ground. The
lip of the intake prevents oil from dripping down the throat of the carb
or TB unless the oil in the air filter is deeper than 1/4" or so and you
have the air filter that sits on top of the carb or TB.
I still think gas and bad injectors man.....
How was the gas mileage on that engine?
If it was mine, I think I would put the carb back on and see what
happens before spending a dime on it.
Mike
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Mike,
> Is there any way to test a charcoal can detatched from the jeep?
>
> Would a bad charcoal Can cause the effect like we see in #2 cylinder?
>
> When I checked the other items (air filter tube/housing, pcv tube, throttle
> body) I also looked at the air filter. It was dirty at the bottom but
> nothing that bad. Remember, this air filter is sprayed with oil so the oil
> I sprayed it with accumulated at the bottom. Like an ounce or so. You
> couldn't even get your hands wet with it. Not to the degree you discribe.
>
> Bill
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:403F5D0B.78D5950F@sympatico.ca...
> > Too bad you are so far away.
> >
> > You need someone that knows engines and isn't just out to take you
> > money.
> >
> > Something really strange is going on.....
> >
> > What you are now describing is blow by, big blow by.
> >
> > You cannot have this with 150 psi compression unless the PCV valve is
> > just plain broken or shut off from a bad charcoal canister.
> >
> > What did your air filter look like? It 'must' have been just full of
> > oil to have the intake with oil pools in it.
> >
> > If it wasn't full of oil, then you do not have 'blow by'.
> >
> > You also 'must' have had one big blue cloud following you with the
> > amount of oil you describe in the intake, no two ways about it. (unless
> > it is gas wash)
> >
> > You are aware that a dead charcoal canister will produce enough blow by
> > to really imitate a blown engine right? It will soak an air filter in a
> > week.
> >
> > I am really almost thinking that someone sold you a dead FI system. I
> > think it was broken and giving them the same fits and strange symptoms
> > you are getting so they unloaded it on you.
> >
> > Gas wash is very strange if you haven't seen it before. It takes very
> > little gas to wash down the dirt and oil and make a messy slurry that
> > almost looks like oil. This can pool in an intake manifold or into a
> > piston.
> >
> > You are describing injectors leaking down and pooling in the intake or
> > 'gas wash'.
> >
> > Good luck Bill!
> >
> > I am out of ideas.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > I took the intake manifold to a perfomance shop today to have the
> injector
> > > in question tested and the mechanic told me it's highly unlikely to be
> > > cylinder wash. He looked at the intake manifold and saw oil in each
> > > manifold "finger" (which I didn't see before) and when he opened the
> > > throttle there was a pool of oil in the there. When I looked in the
> same
> > > place when the intake was on the engine I didn't see a drop. I felt and
> ran
> > > a q-tip inside the pcv valve hose and didn't come back with any oil
> stains.
> > > I put my hand inside the filter hose which connects to the throttle body
> and
> > > I didn't feel any oil there either. Of course, this was closer to when
> I
> > > started this process and not in the later days. Could be it got worse
> in
> > > the end or was pooled in the intake and didn't show up in the throttle
> body.
> > > He told me Blow By was going on and I needed a new engine.
> > >
> > > Is there anything else that could be going on as I'm getting ansy about
> > > pulling this piston. Could there be some effect which is affecting only
> #2?
> > > Should I have him test #2 injector anyway and see what he finds?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:403E9B6D.FF814819@sympatico.ca...
> > > > I would 'highly' recommend you get a hold of the shop and try to find
> > > > out exactly what they did to it and what the invoices mean.
> > > >
> > > > I saw a 'generic' rebuilt engine quote.
> > > >
> > > > They only fix what is messed up on those kind of quotes....
> > > >
> > > > Still looks like a gas washed cylinder to me though...
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Looks like my pistons are .40 over. There's a 40 on top of the
> pistons.
and at speed.
If the purge valve is blown, it effectively shuts down the PCV system so
oil blows into the air filter.
The only test I know is to pinch off the line from the canister to the
PCV system at idle to see if the idle changes. If the idle changes, the
canister purge is dead.
A dead canister will also cause an unstable idle speed. It will vary up
and down and surge slightly.
No, a dead canister will not just get one cylinder 'wet'. I also don't
believe a dead canister or blow by of any type can pool oil in the
bottom of the intake manifold or in the individual fingers leading to
the cylinders.
When my air filter filled with oil, it dripped out on the ground. The
lip of the intake prevents oil from dripping down the throat of the carb
or TB unless the oil in the air filter is deeper than 1/4" or so and you
have the air filter that sits on top of the carb or TB.
I still think gas and bad injectors man.....
How was the gas mileage on that engine?
If it was mine, I think I would put the carb back on and see what
happens before spending a dime on it.
Mike
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Mike,
> Is there any way to test a charcoal can detatched from the jeep?
>
> Would a bad charcoal Can cause the effect like we see in #2 cylinder?
>
> When I checked the other items (air filter tube/housing, pcv tube, throttle
> body) I also looked at the air filter. It was dirty at the bottom but
> nothing that bad. Remember, this air filter is sprayed with oil so the oil
> I sprayed it with accumulated at the bottom. Like an ounce or so. You
> couldn't even get your hands wet with it. Not to the degree you discribe.
>
> Bill
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:403F5D0B.78D5950F@sympatico.ca...
> > Too bad you are so far away.
> >
> > You need someone that knows engines and isn't just out to take you
> > money.
> >
> > Something really strange is going on.....
> >
> > What you are now describing is blow by, big blow by.
> >
> > You cannot have this with 150 psi compression unless the PCV valve is
> > just plain broken or shut off from a bad charcoal canister.
> >
> > What did your air filter look like? It 'must' have been just full of
> > oil to have the intake with oil pools in it.
> >
> > If it wasn't full of oil, then you do not have 'blow by'.
> >
> > You also 'must' have had one big blue cloud following you with the
> > amount of oil you describe in the intake, no two ways about it. (unless
> > it is gas wash)
> >
> > You are aware that a dead charcoal canister will produce enough blow by
> > to really imitate a blown engine right? It will soak an air filter in a
> > week.
> >
> > I am really almost thinking that someone sold you a dead FI system. I
> > think it was broken and giving them the same fits and strange symptoms
> > you are getting so they unloaded it on you.
> >
> > Gas wash is very strange if you haven't seen it before. It takes very
> > little gas to wash down the dirt and oil and make a messy slurry that
> > almost looks like oil. This can pool in an intake manifold or into a
> > piston.
> >
> > You are describing injectors leaking down and pooling in the intake or
> > 'gas wash'.
> >
> > Good luck Bill!
> >
> > I am out of ideas.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > I took the intake manifold to a perfomance shop today to have the
> injector
> > > in question tested and the mechanic told me it's highly unlikely to be
> > > cylinder wash. He looked at the intake manifold and saw oil in each
> > > manifold "finger" (which I didn't see before) and when he opened the
> > > throttle there was a pool of oil in the there. When I looked in the
> same
> > > place when the intake was on the engine I didn't see a drop. I felt and
> ran
> > > a q-tip inside the pcv valve hose and didn't come back with any oil
> stains.
> > > I put my hand inside the filter hose which connects to the throttle body
> and
> > > I didn't feel any oil there either. Of course, this was closer to when
> I
> > > started this process and not in the later days. Could be it got worse
> in
> > > the end or was pooled in the intake and didn't show up in the throttle
> body.
> > > He told me Blow By was going on and I needed a new engine.
> > >
> > > Is there anything else that could be going on as I'm getting ansy about
> > > pulling this piston. Could there be some effect which is affecting only
> #2?
> > > Should I have him test #2 injector anyway and see what he finds?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:403E9B6D.FF814819@sympatico.ca...
> > > > I would 'highly' recommend you get a hold of the shop and try to find
> > > > out exactly what they did to it and what the invoices mean.
> > > >
> > > > I saw a 'generic' rebuilt engine quote.
> > > >
> > > > They only fix what is messed up on those kind of quotes....
> > > >
> > > > Still looks like a gas washed cylinder to me though...
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Looks like my pistons are .40 over. There's a 40 on top of the
> pistons.
#58
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Discovered Bore
The charcoal canister purges into the PCV system when the engine is hot
and at speed.
If the purge valve is blown, it effectively shuts down the PCV system so
oil blows into the air filter.
The only test I know is to pinch off the line from the canister to the
PCV system at idle to see if the idle changes. If the idle changes, the
canister purge is dead.
A dead canister will also cause an unstable idle speed. It will vary up
and down and surge slightly.
No, a dead canister will not just get one cylinder 'wet'. I also don't
believe a dead canister or blow by of any type can pool oil in the
bottom of the intake manifold or in the individual fingers leading to
the cylinders.
When my air filter filled with oil, it dripped out on the ground. The
lip of the intake prevents oil from dripping down the throat of the carb
or TB unless the oil in the air filter is deeper than 1/4" or so and you
have the air filter that sits on top of the carb or TB.
I still think gas and bad injectors man.....
How was the gas mileage on that engine?
If it was mine, I think I would put the carb back on and see what
happens before spending a dime on it.
Mike
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Mike,
> Is there any way to test a charcoal can detatched from the jeep?
>
> Would a bad charcoal Can cause the effect like we see in #2 cylinder?
>
> When I checked the other items (air filter tube/housing, pcv tube, throttle
> body) I also looked at the air filter. It was dirty at the bottom but
> nothing that bad. Remember, this air filter is sprayed with oil so the oil
> I sprayed it with accumulated at the bottom. Like an ounce or so. You
> couldn't even get your hands wet with it. Not to the degree you discribe.
>
> Bill
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:403F5D0B.78D5950F@sympatico.ca...
> > Too bad you are so far away.
> >
> > You need someone that knows engines and isn't just out to take you
> > money.
> >
> > Something really strange is going on.....
> >
> > What you are now describing is blow by, big blow by.
> >
> > You cannot have this with 150 psi compression unless the PCV valve is
> > just plain broken or shut off from a bad charcoal canister.
> >
> > What did your air filter look like? It 'must' have been just full of
> > oil to have the intake with oil pools in it.
> >
> > If it wasn't full of oil, then you do not have 'blow by'.
> >
> > You also 'must' have had one big blue cloud following you with the
> > amount of oil you describe in the intake, no two ways about it. (unless
> > it is gas wash)
> >
> > You are aware that a dead charcoal canister will produce enough blow by
> > to really imitate a blown engine right? It will soak an air filter in a
> > week.
> >
> > I am really almost thinking that someone sold you a dead FI system. I
> > think it was broken and giving them the same fits and strange symptoms
> > you are getting so they unloaded it on you.
> >
> > Gas wash is very strange if you haven't seen it before. It takes very
> > little gas to wash down the dirt and oil and make a messy slurry that
> > almost looks like oil. This can pool in an intake manifold or into a
> > piston.
> >
> > You are describing injectors leaking down and pooling in the intake or
> > 'gas wash'.
> >
> > Good luck Bill!
> >
> > I am out of ideas.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > I took the intake manifold to a perfomance shop today to have the
> injector
> > > in question tested and the mechanic told me it's highly unlikely to be
> > > cylinder wash. He looked at the intake manifold and saw oil in each
> > > manifold "finger" (which I didn't see before) and when he opened the
> > > throttle there was a pool of oil in the there. When I looked in the
> same
> > > place when the intake was on the engine I didn't see a drop. I felt and
> ran
> > > a q-tip inside the pcv valve hose and didn't come back with any oil
> stains.
> > > I put my hand inside the filter hose which connects to the throttle body
> and
> > > I didn't feel any oil there either. Of course, this was closer to when
> I
> > > started this process and not in the later days. Could be it got worse
> in
> > > the end or was pooled in the intake and didn't show up in the throttle
> body.
> > > He told me Blow By was going on and I needed a new engine.
> > >
> > > Is there anything else that could be going on as I'm getting ansy about
> > > pulling this piston. Could there be some effect which is affecting only
> #2?
> > > Should I have him test #2 injector anyway and see what he finds?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:403E9B6D.FF814819@sympatico.ca...
> > > > I would 'highly' recommend you get a hold of the shop and try to find
> > > > out exactly what they did to it and what the invoices mean.
> > > >
> > > > I saw a 'generic' rebuilt engine quote.
> > > >
> > > > They only fix what is messed up on those kind of quotes....
> > > >
> > > > Still looks like a gas washed cylinder to me though...
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Looks like my pistons are .40 over. There's a 40 on top of the
> pistons.
and at speed.
If the purge valve is blown, it effectively shuts down the PCV system so
oil blows into the air filter.
The only test I know is to pinch off the line from the canister to the
PCV system at idle to see if the idle changes. If the idle changes, the
canister purge is dead.
A dead canister will also cause an unstable idle speed. It will vary up
and down and surge slightly.
No, a dead canister will not just get one cylinder 'wet'. I also don't
believe a dead canister or blow by of any type can pool oil in the
bottom of the intake manifold or in the individual fingers leading to
the cylinders.
When my air filter filled with oil, it dripped out on the ground. The
lip of the intake prevents oil from dripping down the throat of the carb
or TB unless the oil in the air filter is deeper than 1/4" or so and you
have the air filter that sits on top of the carb or TB.
I still think gas and bad injectors man.....
How was the gas mileage on that engine?
If it was mine, I think I would put the carb back on and see what
happens before spending a dime on it.
Mike
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Mike,
> Is there any way to test a charcoal can detatched from the jeep?
>
> Would a bad charcoal Can cause the effect like we see in #2 cylinder?
>
> When I checked the other items (air filter tube/housing, pcv tube, throttle
> body) I also looked at the air filter. It was dirty at the bottom but
> nothing that bad. Remember, this air filter is sprayed with oil so the oil
> I sprayed it with accumulated at the bottom. Like an ounce or so. You
> couldn't even get your hands wet with it. Not to the degree you discribe.
>
> Bill
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:403F5D0B.78D5950F@sympatico.ca...
> > Too bad you are so far away.
> >
> > You need someone that knows engines and isn't just out to take you
> > money.
> >
> > Something really strange is going on.....
> >
> > What you are now describing is blow by, big blow by.
> >
> > You cannot have this with 150 psi compression unless the PCV valve is
> > just plain broken or shut off from a bad charcoal canister.
> >
> > What did your air filter look like? It 'must' have been just full of
> > oil to have the intake with oil pools in it.
> >
> > If it wasn't full of oil, then you do not have 'blow by'.
> >
> > You also 'must' have had one big blue cloud following you with the
> > amount of oil you describe in the intake, no two ways about it. (unless
> > it is gas wash)
> >
> > You are aware that a dead charcoal canister will produce enough blow by
> > to really imitate a blown engine right? It will soak an air filter in a
> > week.
> >
> > I am really almost thinking that someone sold you a dead FI system. I
> > think it was broken and giving them the same fits and strange symptoms
> > you are getting so they unloaded it on you.
> >
> > Gas wash is very strange if you haven't seen it before. It takes very
> > little gas to wash down the dirt and oil and make a messy slurry that
> > almost looks like oil. This can pool in an intake manifold or into a
> > piston.
> >
> > You are describing injectors leaking down and pooling in the intake or
> > 'gas wash'.
> >
> > Good luck Bill!
> >
> > I am out of ideas.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > I took the intake manifold to a perfomance shop today to have the
> injector
> > > in question tested and the mechanic told me it's highly unlikely to be
> > > cylinder wash. He looked at the intake manifold and saw oil in each
> > > manifold "finger" (which I didn't see before) and when he opened the
> > > throttle there was a pool of oil in the there. When I looked in the
> same
> > > place when the intake was on the engine I didn't see a drop. I felt and
> ran
> > > a q-tip inside the pcv valve hose and didn't come back with any oil
> stains.
> > > I put my hand inside the filter hose which connects to the throttle body
> and
> > > I didn't feel any oil there either. Of course, this was closer to when
> I
> > > started this process and not in the later days. Could be it got worse
> in
> > > the end or was pooled in the intake and didn't show up in the throttle
> body.
> > > He told me Blow By was going on and I needed a new engine.
> > >
> > > Is there anything else that could be going on as I'm getting ansy about
> > > pulling this piston. Could there be some effect which is affecting only
> #2?
> > > Should I have him test #2 injector anyway and see what he finds?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:403E9B6D.FF814819@sympatico.ca...
> > > > I would 'highly' recommend you get a hold of the shop and try to find
> > > > out exactly what they did to it and what the invoices mean.
> > > >
> > > > I saw a 'generic' rebuilt engine quote.
> > > >
> > > > They only fix what is messed up on those kind of quotes....
> > > >
> > > > Still looks like a gas washed cylinder to me though...
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Looks like my pistons are .40 over. There's a 40 on top of the
> pistons.
#59
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Discovered Bore
I had one rod journal on my crank that was worn pretty
badly. It caused one cylinder to foul badly. When I
disassembled it looked almost identical to yours. I don't
know what your accompanying symptoms are. My machinist had
to send the crank out , but as I understand it, the process
is basically spatter welding, and regrinding to spec, so I
paid about 120 bucks to have the crank built up and evened
out. We chose 40 over instead of 60 over (viable with 258)
on the cylinders, rebuilt and no problem. If the cylinders
check out okay, I'd re-ring over sized, check all
bearings/surfaces first. I wanted to do a rebuild, but you
may WANT a new motor instead. If I could do that part again,
I'd have spent the initial money on a running motor and
rebuilt more as a rec project. I have not followed this too
closely, so I am not aware of all of your observations, I
would think that if the crank end of the rod were causing
the problem, you would hear some sort of slapping noise, but
I do not know what you may observe if it were at the other
end.
Don't sweat the 40 over part, I get smoking deals on motor
parts, and still ended up spending 750 on a total motor
rebuild. plus 200 on elective kinds of crap, That may have
been why people advise you to replace. Whole motors,
"running when pulled" type of things, can be had much
cheaper.
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:c1m7sp$1knmre$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
| I took the intake manifold to a perfomance shop today to
have the injector
| in question tested and the mechanic told me it's highly
unlikely to be
| cylinder wash. He looked at the intake manifold and saw
oil in each
| manifold "finger" (which I didn't see before) and when he
opened the
| throttle there was a pool of oil in the there. When I
looked in the same
| place when the intake was on the engine I didn't see a
drop. I felt and ran
| a q-tip inside the pcv valve hose and didn't come back
with any oil stains.
| I put my hand inside the filter hose which connects to the
throttle body and
| I didn't feel any oil there either. Of course, this was
closer to when I
| started this process and not in the later days. Could be
it got worse in
| the end or was pooled in the intake and didn't show up in
the throttle body.
| He told me Blow By was going on and I needed a new engine.
|
| Is there anything else that could be going on as I'm
getting ansy about
| pulling this piston. Could there be some effect which is
affecting only #2?
| Should I have him test #2 injector anyway and see what he
finds?
|
|
| Thanks,
|
| Bill
|
|
|
| "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
| news:403E9B6D.FF814819@sympatico.ca...
| > I would 'highly' recommend you get a hold of the shop
and try to find
| > out exactly what they did to it and what the invoices
mean.
| >
| > I saw a 'generic' rebuilt engine quote.
| >
| > They only fix what is messed up on those kind of
quotes....
| >
| > Still looks like a gas washed cylinder to me though...
| >
| > Mike
| > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
in '00
| > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
| >
| > William Oliveri wrote:
| > >
| > > Looks like my pistons are .40 over. There's a 40 on
top of the pistons.
|
|
badly. It caused one cylinder to foul badly. When I
disassembled it looked almost identical to yours. I don't
know what your accompanying symptoms are. My machinist had
to send the crank out , but as I understand it, the process
is basically spatter welding, and regrinding to spec, so I
paid about 120 bucks to have the crank built up and evened
out. We chose 40 over instead of 60 over (viable with 258)
on the cylinders, rebuilt and no problem. If the cylinders
check out okay, I'd re-ring over sized, check all
bearings/surfaces first. I wanted to do a rebuild, but you
may WANT a new motor instead. If I could do that part again,
I'd have spent the initial money on a running motor and
rebuilt more as a rec project. I have not followed this too
closely, so I am not aware of all of your observations, I
would think that if the crank end of the rod were causing
the problem, you would hear some sort of slapping noise, but
I do not know what you may observe if it were at the other
end.
Don't sweat the 40 over part, I get smoking deals on motor
parts, and still ended up spending 750 on a total motor
rebuild. plus 200 on elective kinds of crap, That may have
been why people advise you to replace. Whole motors,
"running when pulled" type of things, can be had much
cheaper.
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:c1m7sp$1knmre$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
| I took the intake manifold to a perfomance shop today to
have the injector
| in question tested and the mechanic told me it's highly
unlikely to be
| cylinder wash. He looked at the intake manifold and saw
oil in each
| manifold "finger" (which I didn't see before) and when he
opened the
| throttle there was a pool of oil in the there. When I
looked in the same
| place when the intake was on the engine I didn't see a
drop. I felt and ran
| a q-tip inside the pcv valve hose and didn't come back
with any oil stains.
| I put my hand inside the filter hose which connects to the
throttle body and
| I didn't feel any oil there either. Of course, this was
closer to when I
| started this process and not in the later days. Could be
it got worse in
| the end or was pooled in the intake and didn't show up in
the throttle body.
| He told me Blow By was going on and I needed a new engine.
|
| Is there anything else that could be going on as I'm
getting ansy about
| pulling this piston. Could there be some effect which is
affecting only #2?
| Should I have him test #2 injector anyway and see what he
finds?
|
|
| Thanks,
|
| Bill
|
|
|
| "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
| news:403E9B6D.FF814819@sympatico.ca...
| > I would 'highly' recommend you get a hold of the shop
and try to find
| > out exactly what they did to it and what the invoices
mean.
| >
| > I saw a 'generic' rebuilt engine quote.
| >
| > They only fix what is messed up on those kind of
quotes....
| >
| > Still looks like a gas washed cylinder to me though...
| >
| > Mike
| > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
in '00
| > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
| >
| > William Oliveri wrote:
| > >
| > > Looks like my pistons are .40 over. There's a 40 on
top of the pistons.
|
|
#60
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Discovered Bore
I had one rod journal on my crank that was worn pretty
badly. It caused one cylinder to foul badly. When I
disassembled it looked almost identical to yours. I don't
know what your accompanying symptoms are. My machinist had
to send the crank out , but as I understand it, the process
is basically spatter welding, and regrinding to spec, so I
paid about 120 bucks to have the crank built up and evened
out. We chose 40 over instead of 60 over (viable with 258)
on the cylinders, rebuilt and no problem. If the cylinders
check out okay, I'd re-ring over sized, check all
bearings/surfaces first. I wanted to do a rebuild, but you
may WANT a new motor instead. If I could do that part again,
I'd have spent the initial money on a running motor and
rebuilt more as a rec project. I have not followed this too
closely, so I am not aware of all of your observations, I
would think that if the crank end of the rod were causing
the problem, you would hear some sort of slapping noise, but
I do not know what you may observe if it were at the other
end.
Don't sweat the 40 over part, I get smoking deals on motor
parts, and still ended up spending 750 on a total motor
rebuild. plus 200 on elective kinds of crap, That may have
been why people advise you to replace. Whole motors,
"running when pulled" type of things, can be had much
cheaper.
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:c1m7sp$1knmre$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
| I took the intake manifold to a perfomance shop today to
have the injector
| in question tested and the mechanic told me it's highly
unlikely to be
| cylinder wash. He looked at the intake manifold and saw
oil in each
| manifold "finger" (which I didn't see before) and when he
opened the
| throttle there was a pool of oil in the there. When I
looked in the same
| place when the intake was on the engine I didn't see a
drop. I felt and ran
| a q-tip inside the pcv valve hose and didn't come back
with any oil stains.
| I put my hand inside the filter hose which connects to the
throttle body and
| I didn't feel any oil there either. Of course, this was
closer to when I
| started this process and not in the later days. Could be
it got worse in
| the end or was pooled in the intake and didn't show up in
the throttle body.
| He told me Blow By was going on and I needed a new engine.
|
| Is there anything else that could be going on as I'm
getting ansy about
| pulling this piston. Could there be some effect which is
affecting only #2?
| Should I have him test #2 injector anyway and see what he
finds?
|
|
| Thanks,
|
| Bill
|
|
|
| "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
| news:403E9B6D.FF814819@sympatico.ca...
| > I would 'highly' recommend you get a hold of the shop
and try to find
| > out exactly what they did to it and what the invoices
mean.
| >
| > I saw a 'generic' rebuilt engine quote.
| >
| > They only fix what is messed up on those kind of
quotes....
| >
| > Still looks like a gas washed cylinder to me though...
| >
| > Mike
| > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
in '00
| > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
| >
| > William Oliveri wrote:
| > >
| > > Looks like my pistons are .40 over. There's a 40 on
top of the pistons.
|
|
badly. It caused one cylinder to foul badly. When I
disassembled it looked almost identical to yours. I don't
know what your accompanying symptoms are. My machinist had
to send the crank out , but as I understand it, the process
is basically spatter welding, and regrinding to spec, so I
paid about 120 bucks to have the crank built up and evened
out. We chose 40 over instead of 60 over (viable with 258)
on the cylinders, rebuilt and no problem. If the cylinders
check out okay, I'd re-ring over sized, check all
bearings/surfaces first. I wanted to do a rebuild, but you
may WANT a new motor instead. If I could do that part again,
I'd have spent the initial money on a running motor and
rebuilt more as a rec project. I have not followed this too
closely, so I am not aware of all of your observations, I
would think that if the crank end of the rod were causing
the problem, you would hear some sort of slapping noise, but
I do not know what you may observe if it were at the other
end.
Don't sweat the 40 over part, I get smoking deals on motor
parts, and still ended up spending 750 on a total motor
rebuild. plus 200 on elective kinds of crap, That may have
been why people advise you to replace. Whole motors,
"running when pulled" type of things, can be had much
cheaper.
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:c1m7sp$1knmre$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
| I took the intake manifold to a perfomance shop today to
have the injector
| in question tested and the mechanic told me it's highly
unlikely to be
| cylinder wash. He looked at the intake manifold and saw
oil in each
| manifold "finger" (which I didn't see before) and when he
opened the
| throttle there was a pool of oil in the there. When I
looked in the same
| place when the intake was on the engine I didn't see a
drop. I felt and ran
| a q-tip inside the pcv valve hose and didn't come back
with any oil stains.
| I put my hand inside the filter hose which connects to the
throttle body and
| I didn't feel any oil there either. Of course, this was
closer to when I
| started this process and not in the later days. Could be
it got worse in
| the end or was pooled in the intake and didn't show up in
the throttle body.
| He told me Blow By was going on and I needed a new engine.
|
| Is there anything else that could be going on as I'm
getting ansy about
| pulling this piston. Could there be some effect which is
affecting only #2?
| Should I have him test #2 injector anyway and see what he
finds?
|
|
| Thanks,
|
| Bill
|
|
|
| "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
| news:403E9B6D.FF814819@sympatico.ca...
| > I would 'highly' recommend you get a hold of the shop
and try to find
| > out exactly what they did to it and what the invoices
mean.
| >
| > I saw a 'generic' rebuilt engine quote.
| >
| > They only fix what is messed up on those kind of
quotes....
| >
| > Still looks like a gas washed cylinder to me though...
| >
| > Mike
| > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
in '00
| > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
| >
| > William Oliveri wrote:
| > >
| > > Looks like my pistons are .40 over. There's a 40 on
top of the pistons.
|
|