Neither sludge nor galled bearings are proof positive of non-certified oil.
In fact, the most likely cause of both is a bad thermostat. For some
reason, this reminds me of the time the truck dealer I was working for tried
to get warranty money from Mack, for a bad liner and piston. The factory
reps came in, looked at the intake, and found some tiny aluminum shavings.
They tried to say that the vehicle owner had modified the intake with a hack
saw, leaving shavings. The dealer came out with a tape measure, and
demanded to know the dimensions of a new part. The reps didn't know, and
Mack wound up paying.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4410F04B.46B2AAB2@***.net...
> Galled bearings:
> http://www.dilysimotorsports.com/ima...am_bearing.jpg and sludge.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a
blown
> > engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's
warranty.
> > > Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
> > >
> > > "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> > > news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> > > >
> > > > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > > > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is
changed
> > > > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > > > different please post your proof.
> > > >
> > > > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic
oils
> > > > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not
an
> > > > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > > > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > > > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell
by
> > > > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > > > some applications.
> > > >
> > > > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > > > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche
911,
> > > > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod
motorcycle
> > > > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > > > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> > > >
> > > > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot
of
> > > > races and will win a lot more.
> > > >
> > >
> > >

 

Neither sludge nor galled bearings are proof positive of non-certified oil.
In fact, the most likely cause of both is a bad thermostat. For some
reason, this reminds me of the time the truck dealer I was working for tried
to get warranty money from Mack, for a bad liner and piston. The factory
reps came in, looked at the intake, and found some tiny aluminum shavings.
They tried to say that the vehicle owner had modified the intake with a hack
saw, leaving shavings. The dealer came out with a tape measure, and
demanded to know the dimensions of a new part. The reps didn't know, and
Mack wound up paying.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4410F04B.46B2AAB2@***.net...
> Galled bearings:
> http://www.dilysimotorsports.com/ima...am_bearing.jpg and sludge.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a
blown
> > engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's
warranty.
> > > Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
> > >
> > > "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> > > news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> > > >
> > > > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > > > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is
changed
> > > > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > > > different please post your proof.
> > > >
> > > > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic
oils
> > > > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not
an
> > > > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > > > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > > > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell
by
> > > > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > > > some applications.
> > > >
> > > > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > > > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche
911,
> > > > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod
motorcycle
> > > > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > > > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> > > >
> > > > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot
of
> > > > races and will win a lot more.
> > > >
> > >
> > >

 

Neither sludge nor galled bearings are proof positive of non-certified oil.
In fact, the most likely cause of both is a bad thermostat. For some
reason, this reminds me of the time the truck dealer I was working for tried
to get warranty money from Mack, for a bad liner and piston. The factory
reps came in, looked at the intake, and found some tiny aluminum shavings.
They tried to say that the vehicle owner had modified the intake with a hack
saw, leaving shavings. The dealer came out with a tape measure, and
demanded to know the dimensions of a new part. The reps didn't know, and
Mack wound up paying.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4410F04B.46B2AAB2@***.net...
> Galled bearings:
> http://www.dilysimotorsports.com/ima...am_bearing.jpg and sludge.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a
blown
> > engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's
warranty.
> > > Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
> > >
> > > "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> > > news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> > > >
> > > > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > > > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is
changed
> > > > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > > > different please post your proof.
> > > >
> > > > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic
oils
> > > > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not
an
> > > > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > > > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > > > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell
by
> > > > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > > > some applications.
> > > >
> > > > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > > > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche
911,
> > > > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod
motorcycle
> > > > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > > > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> > > >
> > > > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot
of
> > > > races and will win a lot more.
> > > >
> > >
> > >

 

Hi Earle,
We agree to disagree. Low temperatures will cause telltale cylinder
taper wear.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Neither sludge nor galled bearings are proof positive of non-certified oil.
> In fact, the most likely cause of both is a bad thermostat. For some
> reason, this reminds me of the time the truck dealer I was working for tried
> to get warranty money from Mack, for a bad liner and piston. The factory
> reps came in, looked at the intake, and found some tiny aluminum shavings.
> They tried to say that the vehicle owner had modified the intake with a hack
> saw, leaving shavings. The dealer came out with a tape measure, and
> demanded to know the dimensions of a new part. The reps didn't know, and
> Mack wound up paying.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4410F04B.46B2AAB2@***.net...
> > Galled bearings:
> > http://www.dilysimotorsports.com/ima...am_bearing.jpg and sludge.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a
> blown
> > > engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > > news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > > If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's
> warranty.
> > > > Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
> > > >
> > > > "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > > > > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is
> changed
> > > > > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > > > > different please post your proof.
> > > > >
> > > > > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic
> oils
> > > > > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not
> an
> > > > > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > > > > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > > > > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell
> by
> > > > > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > > > > some applications.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > > > > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche
> 911,
> > > > > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod
> motorcycle
> > > > > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > > > > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> > > > >
> > > > > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot
> of
> > > > > races and will win a lot more.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >

 

Hi Earle,
We agree to disagree. Low temperatures will cause telltale cylinder
taper wear.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Neither sludge nor galled bearings are proof positive of non-certified oil.
> In fact, the most likely cause of both is a bad thermostat. For some
> reason, this reminds me of the time the truck dealer I was working for tried
> to get warranty money from Mack, for a bad liner and piston. The factory
> reps came in, looked at the intake, and found some tiny aluminum shavings.
> They tried to say that the vehicle owner had modified the intake with a hack
> saw, leaving shavings. The dealer came out with a tape measure, and
> demanded to know the dimensions of a new part. The reps didn't know, and
> Mack wound up paying.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4410F04B.46B2AAB2@***.net...
> > Galled bearings:
> > http://www.dilysimotorsports.com/ima...am_bearing.jpg and sludge.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a
> blown
> > > engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > > news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > > If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's
> warranty.
> > > > Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
> > > >
> > > > "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > > > > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is
> changed
> > > > > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > > > > different please post your proof.
> > > > >
> > > > > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic
> oils
> > > > > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not
> an
> > > > > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > > > > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > > > > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell
> by
> > > > > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > > > > some applications.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > > > > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche
> 911,
> > > > > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod
> motorcycle
> > > > > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > > > > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> > > > >
> > > > > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot
> of
> > > > > races and will win a lot more.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >

 

Hi Earle,
We agree to disagree. Low temperatures will cause telltale cylinder
taper wear.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Neither sludge nor galled bearings are proof positive of non-certified oil.
> In fact, the most likely cause of both is a bad thermostat. For some
> reason, this reminds me of the time the truck dealer I was working for tried
> to get warranty money from Mack, for a bad liner and piston. The factory
> reps came in, looked at the intake, and found some tiny aluminum shavings.
> They tried to say that the vehicle owner had modified the intake with a hack
> saw, leaving shavings. The dealer came out with a tape measure, and
> demanded to know the dimensions of a new part. The reps didn't know, and
> Mack wound up paying.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4410F04B.46B2AAB2@***.net...
> > Galled bearings:
> > http://www.dilysimotorsports.com/ima...am_bearing.jpg and sludge.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a
> blown
> > > engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > > news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > > If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's
> warranty.
> > > > Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
> > > >
> > > > "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > > > > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is
> changed
> > > > > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > > > > different please post your proof.
> > > > >
> > > > > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic
> oils
> > > > > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not
> an
> > > > > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > > > > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > > > > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell
> by
> > > > > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > > > > some applications.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > > > > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche
> 911,
> > > > > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod
> motorcycle
> > > > > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > > > > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> > > > >
> > > > > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot
> of
> > > > > races and will win a lot more.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >

 

Hi Earle,
We agree to disagree. Low temperatures will cause telltale cylinder
taper wear.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Neither sludge nor galled bearings are proof positive of non-certified oil.
> In fact, the most likely cause of both is a bad thermostat. For some
> reason, this reminds me of the time the truck dealer I was working for tried
> to get warranty money from Mack, for a bad liner and piston. The factory
> reps came in, looked at the intake, and found some tiny aluminum shavings.
> They tried to say that the vehicle owner had modified the intake with a hack
> saw, leaving shavings. The dealer came out with a tape measure, and
> demanded to know the dimensions of a new part. The reps didn't know, and
> Mack wound up paying.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4410F04B.46B2AAB2@***.net...
> > Galled bearings:
> > http://www.dilysimotorsports.com/ima...am_bearing.jpg and sludge.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a
> blown
> > > engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > > news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > > If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's
> warranty.
> > > > Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
> > > >
> > > > "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > > > > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is
> changed
> > > > > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > > > > different please post your proof.
> > > > >
> > > > > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic
> oils
> > > > > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not
> an
> > > > > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > > > > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > > > > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell
> by
> > > > > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > > > > some applications.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > > > > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche
> 911,
> > > > > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod
> motorcycle
> > > > > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > > > > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> > > > >
> > > > > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot
> of
> > > > > races and will win a lot more.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >