Mike Romain

RapidRonnie wrote:
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > I would recommend what the owners manual calls for....
> >
> > I would stay far far away from unapproved snake oils and go with a real
> > brand name oil.
> >
>
> Amsoil is a real brand name oil. in some situation their gear lubes
> can be very good. I like their engine oils but only in LPG engines or
> extreme cold. Other synthetics the same applies. I would never use
> synthetics in a diesel or in any engine with a lot of time/miles on
> regular oil on it since OH. Also I would never use it on an engine
> running heavily leaded fuels. Even running 10% 100LL in my R80 BMW
> motorcycle I won't use it. I no longer have to do that since I had my
> heads twinplugged but now I will stick with Aeroshell until teardown.
> (Which will be after I get my second engine majored and in the bike.)
>
> Among synthetics i have used Amsoil, Mobil and Klotz. They all are the
> same.

Nope, they sure as hell aren't all the same. Amsoil will void any
manufacturers warranty out there. It is total snake oil garbage.

I read the 'spamsoil' page and they say 'when' the maker of your vehicle
voids your blown engine's warranty for using the unapproved oil, you can
send it to them and if 'they' decide the fault was their oil they will
replace the engine. LOL! Ya right, like they can find fault with their
crap.

A spamsoil sales droid gave me a case of the crap when he finally gave
up trying to find suckers. I refuse to us it in any vehicle I own so I
tossed the ---- out to the recycle.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

RapidRonnie

Mike Romain wrote:
<<snip>>


>
> Nope, they sure as hell aren't all the same. Amsoil will void any
> manufacturers warranty out there. It is total snake oil garbage.
>
> I read the 'spamsoil' page and they say 'when' the maker of your vehicle
> voids your blown engine's warranty for using the unapproved oil, you can
> send it to them and if 'they' decide the fault was their oil they will
> replace the engine. LOL! Ya right, like they can find fault with their
> crap.
>

As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
different please post your proof.

Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
some applications.

Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.

You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
races and will win a lot more.

RapidRonnie

Mike Romain wrote:
<<snip>>


>
> Nope, they sure as hell aren't all the same. Amsoil will void any
> manufacturers warranty out there. It is total snake oil garbage.
>
> I read the 'spamsoil' page and they say 'when' the maker of your vehicle
> voids your blown engine's warranty for using the unapproved oil, you can
> send it to them and if 'they' decide the fault was their oil they will
> replace the engine. LOL! Ya right, like they can find fault with their
> crap.
>

As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
different please post your proof.

Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
some applications.

Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.

You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
races and will win a lot more.

RapidRonnie

Mike Romain wrote:
<<snip>>


>
> Nope, they sure as hell aren't all the same. Amsoil will void any
> manufacturers warranty out there. It is total snake oil garbage.
>
> I read the 'spamsoil' page and they say 'when' the maker of your vehicle
> voids your blown engine's warranty for using the unapproved oil, you can
> send it to them and if 'they' decide the fault was their oil they will
> replace the engine. LOL! Ya right, like they can find fault with their
> crap.
>

As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
different please post your proof.

Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
some applications.

Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.

You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
races and will win a lot more.

RapidRonnie

Mike Romain wrote:
<<snip>>


>
> Nope, they sure as hell aren't all the same. Amsoil will void any
> manufacturers warranty out there. It is total snake oil garbage.
>
> I read the 'spamsoil' page and they say 'when' the maker of your vehicle
> voids your blown engine's warranty for using the unapproved oil, you can
> send it to them and if 'they' decide the fault was their oil they will
> replace the engine. LOL! Ya right, like they can find fault with their
> crap.
>

As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
different please post your proof.

Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
some applications.

Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.

You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
races and will win a lot more.

billy ray

Amsoil does not distribute any motor oils that meet the Audi & VW specs for
use in it 1.8 liter turbocharged engines. Use of an approved oil is a
requirement for warranty coverage.

They publish, post, and maintain a listing of oils that meet or exceed their
standards. That listing has been on this newsgroup as well as the Audi
newsgroups several times..

If you would like a copy of the 2004 and/or 2005 listings I will be happy to
forward...


>
> As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> different please post your proof.
>

billy ray

Amsoil does not distribute any motor oils that meet the Audi & VW specs for
use in it 1.8 liter turbocharged engines. Use of an approved oil is a
requirement for warranty coverage.

They publish, post, and maintain a listing of oils that meet or exceed their
standards. That listing has been on this newsgroup as well as the Audi
newsgroups several times..

If you would like a copy of the 2004 and/or 2005 listings I will be happy to
forward...


>
> As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> different please post your proof.
>

billy ray

Amsoil does not distribute any motor oils that meet the Audi & VW specs for
use in it 1.8 liter turbocharged engines. Use of an approved oil is a
requirement for warranty coverage.

They publish, post, and maintain a listing of oils that meet or exceed their
standards. That listing has been on this newsgroup as well as the Audi
newsgroups several times..

If you would like a copy of the 2004 and/or 2005 listings I will be happy to
forward...


>
> As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> different please post your proof.
>

billy ray

Amsoil does not distribute any motor oils that meet the Audi & VW specs for
use in it 1.8 liter turbocharged engines. Use of an approved oil is a
requirement for warranty coverage.

They publish, post, and maintain a listing of oils that meet or exceed their
standards. That listing has been on this newsgroup as well as the Audi
newsgroups several times..

If you would like a copy of the 2004 and/or 2005 listings I will be happy to
forward...


>
> As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> different please post your proof.
>

Jerry Bransford

What few realize is that few Amsoil lubes have been certified to carry
the SAE API seal which is required by automotive manufacturers to keep
the warranty in effect.

Mike Romain wrote:
> RapidRonnie wrote:
>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>>I would recommend what the owners manual calls for....
>>>
>>>I would stay far far away from unapproved snake oils and go with a real
>>>brand name oil.
>>>
>>
>> Amsoil is a real brand name oil. in some situation their gear lubes
>>can be very good. I like their engine oils but only in LPG engines or
>>extreme cold. Other synthetics the same applies. I would never use
>>synthetics in a diesel or in any engine with a lot of time/miles on
>>regular oil on it since OH. Also I would never use it on an engine
>>running heavily leaded fuels. Even running 10% 100LL in my R80 BMW
>>motorcycle I won't use it. I no longer have to do that since I had my
>>heads twinplugged but now I will stick with Aeroshell until teardown.
>>(Which will be after I get my second engine majored and in the bike.)
>>
>> Among synthetics i have used Amsoil, Mobil and Klotz. They all are the
>>same.
>
>
> Nope, they sure as hell aren't all the same. Amsoil will void any
> manufacturers warranty out there. It is total snake oil garbage.
>
> I read the 'spamsoil' page and they say 'when' the maker of your vehicle
> voids your blown engine's warranty for using the unapproved oil, you can
> send it to them and if 'they' decide the fault was their oil they will
> replace the engine. LOL! Ya right, like they can find fault with their
> crap.
>
> A spamsoil sales droid gave me a case of the crap when he finally gave
> up trying to find suckers. I refuse to us it in any vehicle I own so I
> tossed the ---- out to the recycle.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

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