Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
03-09-2006, 07:14 AM
#41
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Re: Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
"RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
>
> As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> different please post your proof.
>
> Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> some applications.
>
> Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
>
> You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> races and will win a lot more.
>
Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
"RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
>
> As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> different please post your proof.
>
> Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> some applications.
>
> Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
>
> You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> races and will win a lot more.
>
03-09-2006, 09:30 AM
#42
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Re: Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a blown
engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
Earle
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
> Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
>
> "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> >
> > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > different please post your proof.
> >
> > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > some applications.
> >
> > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> >
> > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> > races and will win a lot more.
> >
>
>
engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
Earle
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
> Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
>
> "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> >
> > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > different please post your proof.
> >
> > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > some applications.
> >
> > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> >
> > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> > races and will win a lot more.
> >
>
>
03-09-2006, 09:30 AM
#43
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Re: Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a blown
engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
Earle
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
> Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
>
> "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> >
> > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > different please post your proof.
> >
> > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > some applications.
> >
> > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> >
> > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> > races and will win a lot more.
> >
>
>
engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
Earle
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
> Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
>
> "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> >
> > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > different please post your proof.
> >
> > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > some applications.
> >
> > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> >
> > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> > races and will win a lot more.
> >
>
>
03-09-2006, 09:30 AM
#44
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Posts: n/a
Re: Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a blown
engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
Earle
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
> Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
>
> "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> >
> > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > different please post your proof.
> >
> > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > some applications.
> >
> > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> >
> > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> > races and will win a lot more.
> >
>
>
engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
Earle
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
> Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
>
> "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> >
> > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > different please post your proof.
> >
> > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > some applications.
> >
> > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> >
> > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> > races and will win a lot more.
> >
>
>
03-09-2006, 09:30 AM
#45
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Re: Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a blown
engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
Earle
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
> Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
>
> "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> >
> > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > different please post your proof.
> >
> > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > some applications.
> >
> > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> >
> > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> > races and will win a lot more.
> >
>
>
engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
Earle
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
> Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
>
> "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> >
> > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > different please post your proof.
> >
> > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > some applications.
> >
> > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> >
> > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> > races and will win a lot more.
> >
>
>
03-09-2006, 10:39 AM
#46
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Re: Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
Like the others are mentioning, amsoil 'doesn't' meet the minimum
specs for use in an automobile engine.
I sure wouldn't abuse my Jeep by using the stuff and I certainly don't
buy fluids by whose is cheapest.
Mike
specs for use in an automobile engine.
I sure wouldn't abuse my Jeep by using the stuff and I certainly don't
buy fluids by whose is cheapest.
Mike
03-09-2006, 10:39 AM
#47
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Re: Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
Like the others are mentioning, amsoil 'doesn't' meet the minimum
specs for use in an automobile engine.
I sure wouldn't abuse my Jeep by using the stuff and I certainly don't
buy fluids by whose is cheapest.
Mike
specs for use in an automobile engine.
I sure wouldn't abuse my Jeep by using the stuff and I certainly don't
buy fluids by whose is cheapest.
Mike
03-09-2006, 10:39 AM
#48
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Posts: n/a
Re: Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
Like the others are mentioning, amsoil 'doesn't' meet the minimum
specs for use in an automobile engine.
I sure wouldn't abuse my Jeep by using the stuff and I certainly don't
buy fluids by whose is cheapest.
Mike
specs for use in an automobile engine.
I sure wouldn't abuse my Jeep by using the stuff and I certainly don't
buy fluids by whose is cheapest.
Mike
03-09-2006, 10:39 AM
#49
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
Like the others are mentioning, amsoil 'doesn't' meet the minimum
specs for use in an automobile engine.
I sure wouldn't abuse my Jeep by using the stuff and I certainly don't
buy fluids by whose is cheapest.
Mike
specs for use in an automobile engine.
I sure wouldn't abuse my Jeep by using the stuff and I certainly don't
buy fluids by whose is cheapest.
Mike
03-09-2006, 10:56 AM
#50
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Re: Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote ...
> What few realize is that few Amsoil lubes have been certified to carry
> the SAE API seal which is required by automotive manufacturers to keep
> the warranty in effect.
>
Is this something relatively recent? I used Amsoil in everything from PU trucks
to 2-stroke race bikes 20 years go, until Mobil 1 began making thicker grades
than 5w-30. Worked great. For example, I bought a 1980 FLH with 30,000 Miles
from a dealer who warned me it'd need an overhaul soon. I put Amsoil in it and
rode it 2000 miles. The oil came out very dirty but the motor smoothed out and
stopped using and oil. 80,000 miles later I traded it in on a new 'evo', still
running fine and using no oil. I only quit Amsoil cuz it was so hard to get.
OTOH I'd not use any oil that wasn't SAE API if I can find one that is.
Naturally YMMV.
> What few realize is that few Amsoil lubes have been certified to carry
> the SAE API seal which is required by automotive manufacturers to keep
> the warranty in effect.
>
Is this something relatively recent? I used Amsoil in everything from PU trucks
to 2-stroke race bikes 20 years go, until Mobil 1 began making thicker grades
than 5w-30. Worked great. For example, I bought a 1980 FLH with 30,000 Miles
from a dealer who warned me it'd need an overhaul soon. I put Amsoil in it and
rode it 2000 miles. The oil came out very dirty but the motor smoothed out and
stopped using and oil. 80,000 miles later I traded it in on a new 'evo', still
running fine and using no oil. I only quit Amsoil cuz it was so hard to get.
OTOH I'd not use any oil that wasn't SAE API if I can find one that is.
Naturally YMMV.