Diesel Liberty
#151
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Re: Diesel Liberty
My views are 180 out of your so-called independent socialist party.
One hundred percent capitalist businessman. If they want to use diesel
they should pay for it, without government subsidies!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Bill, that is a Socialist concept, that one has to justify access to
> resources, for the common good. In the United States, State of Colorado,
> where I live, people like Matt can burn all the diesel they want, if they
> are willing to pay for it.
>
> Earle
One hundred percent capitalist businessman. If they want to use diesel
they should pay for it, without government subsidies!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Bill, that is a Socialist concept, that one has to justify access to
> resources, for the common good. In the United States, State of Colorado,
> where I live, people like Matt can burn all the diesel they want, if they
> are willing to pay for it.
>
> Earle
#152
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Re: Diesel Liberty
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> They are too dirty to be sold in California:
Religious discussions have no place here. ; )
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Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
#153
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Re: Diesel Liberty
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> They are too dirty to be sold in California:
Religious discussions have no place here. ; )
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Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
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Re: Diesel Liberty
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> They are too dirty to be sold in California:
Religious discussions have no place here. ; )
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Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
#155
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Re: Diesel Liberty
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 02:06:22 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
wrote:
>Ewan Scott wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
>>>The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
>>>in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
>>>
>>
>> Mine's a 2.5 CRD and I get just over 30mpg average.
>>
>> Can't say much more than that, except that in die-hard Land Rover
>> Country there are quite a few around. Mine's a 2002 model but it only
>> has 24,000 on the clock so feels like new still, so cannot comment on
>> longevity, but I can't see any reason why it would be any worse than
>> other Jeeps.
>>
>> Ewan Scott
>Thanks! I'm curious how long you think it will last. I have a diesel
>Jetta that I expect to drive for over 10 years. Based on fuel
>consumption and price differential here, the engine doesn't pay out for
>a long time. But if I can buy one vehicle in a 10 year period instead of
>two, that makes a huge difference especially when inflation is low.
>
I suppose that depends what you do with it and when you decide to draw
a line under running repairs. Across here ( and I guess in the US)
fleet operators usually put a maximim economic life on a car of 3-4
years because they reckon that's when they start to get a bit tired.
I've collected them with mileages between 30 and 130,000 and they
still felt like new.
My previous car was a Peugeot 406 1.8 petrol and it ran for 9 years
and had 210,000 on the clock. I sold it because it needed a complete
overhaul that was in excess of the value of the car, and it was
borderline on emissions. So looked after, I'd say that most modern
vehicles will last 10 years without any dificulty - One reason for
that is that the motor manufacturers have a long term goal of
encouraging governments to place a 10 year lifespan on cars - so they
have to make cars that will last for ten years.
Unless you go mudplugging and rockcrawling every weekend there is no
real reason why your car shouldn't last ten years either.
Ewan Scott
wrote:
>Ewan Scott wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
>>>The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
>>>in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
>>>
>>
>> Mine's a 2.5 CRD and I get just over 30mpg average.
>>
>> Can't say much more than that, except that in die-hard Land Rover
>> Country there are quite a few around. Mine's a 2002 model but it only
>> has 24,000 on the clock so feels like new still, so cannot comment on
>> longevity, but I can't see any reason why it would be any worse than
>> other Jeeps.
>>
>> Ewan Scott
>Thanks! I'm curious how long you think it will last. I have a diesel
>Jetta that I expect to drive for over 10 years. Based on fuel
>consumption and price differential here, the engine doesn't pay out for
>a long time. But if I can buy one vehicle in a 10 year period instead of
>two, that makes a huge difference especially when inflation is low.
>
I suppose that depends what you do with it and when you decide to draw
a line under running repairs. Across here ( and I guess in the US)
fleet operators usually put a maximim economic life on a car of 3-4
years because they reckon that's when they start to get a bit tired.
I've collected them with mileages between 30 and 130,000 and they
still felt like new.
My previous car was a Peugeot 406 1.8 petrol and it ran for 9 years
and had 210,000 on the clock. I sold it because it needed a complete
overhaul that was in excess of the value of the car, and it was
borderline on emissions. So looked after, I'd say that most modern
vehicles will last 10 years without any dificulty - One reason for
that is that the motor manufacturers have a long term goal of
encouraging governments to place a 10 year lifespan on cars - so they
have to make cars that will last for ten years.
Unless you go mudplugging and rockcrawling every weekend there is no
real reason why your car shouldn't last ten years either.
Ewan Scott
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Re: Diesel Liberty
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 02:06:22 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
wrote:
>Ewan Scott wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
>>>The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
>>>in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
>>>
>>
>> Mine's a 2.5 CRD and I get just over 30mpg average.
>>
>> Can't say much more than that, except that in die-hard Land Rover
>> Country there are quite a few around. Mine's a 2002 model but it only
>> has 24,000 on the clock so feels like new still, so cannot comment on
>> longevity, but I can't see any reason why it would be any worse than
>> other Jeeps.
>>
>> Ewan Scott
>Thanks! I'm curious how long you think it will last. I have a diesel
>Jetta that I expect to drive for over 10 years. Based on fuel
>consumption and price differential here, the engine doesn't pay out for
>a long time. But if I can buy one vehicle in a 10 year period instead of
>two, that makes a huge difference especially when inflation is low.
>
I suppose that depends what you do with it and when you decide to draw
a line under running repairs. Across here ( and I guess in the US)
fleet operators usually put a maximim economic life on a car of 3-4
years because they reckon that's when they start to get a bit tired.
I've collected them with mileages between 30 and 130,000 and they
still felt like new.
My previous car was a Peugeot 406 1.8 petrol and it ran for 9 years
and had 210,000 on the clock. I sold it because it needed a complete
overhaul that was in excess of the value of the car, and it was
borderline on emissions. So looked after, I'd say that most modern
vehicles will last 10 years without any dificulty - One reason for
that is that the motor manufacturers have a long term goal of
encouraging governments to place a 10 year lifespan on cars - so they
have to make cars that will last for ten years.
Unless you go mudplugging and rockcrawling every weekend there is no
real reason why your car shouldn't last ten years either.
Ewan Scott
wrote:
>Ewan Scott wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
>>>The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
>>>in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
>>>
>>
>> Mine's a 2.5 CRD and I get just over 30mpg average.
>>
>> Can't say much more than that, except that in die-hard Land Rover
>> Country there are quite a few around. Mine's a 2002 model but it only
>> has 24,000 on the clock so feels like new still, so cannot comment on
>> longevity, but I can't see any reason why it would be any worse than
>> other Jeeps.
>>
>> Ewan Scott
>Thanks! I'm curious how long you think it will last. I have a diesel
>Jetta that I expect to drive for over 10 years. Based on fuel
>consumption and price differential here, the engine doesn't pay out for
>a long time. But if I can buy one vehicle in a 10 year period instead of
>two, that makes a huge difference especially when inflation is low.
>
I suppose that depends what you do with it and when you decide to draw
a line under running repairs. Across here ( and I guess in the US)
fleet operators usually put a maximim economic life on a car of 3-4
years because they reckon that's when they start to get a bit tired.
I've collected them with mileages between 30 and 130,000 and they
still felt like new.
My previous car was a Peugeot 406 1.8 petrol and it ran for 9 years
and had 210,000 on the clock. I sold it because it needed a complete
overhaul that was in excess of the value of the car, and it was
borderline on emissions. So looked after, I'd say that most modern
vehicles will last 10 years without any dificulty - One reason for
that is that the motor manufacturers have a long term goal of
encouraging governments to place a 10 year lifespan on cars - so they
have to make cars that will last for ten years.
Unless you go mudplugging and rockcrawling every weekend there is no
real reason why your car shouldn't last ten years either.
Ewan Scott
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Re: Diesel Liberty
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 02:06:22 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
wrote:
>Ewan Scott wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
>>>The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
>>>in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
>>>
>>
>> Mine's a 2.5 CRD and I get just over 30mpg average.
>>
>> Can't say much more than that, except that in die-hard Land Rover
>> Country there are quite a few around. Mine's a 2002 model but it only
>> has 24,000 on the clock so feels like new still, so cannot comment on
>> longevity, but I can't see any reason why it would be any worse than
>> other Jeeps.
>>
>> Ewan Scott
>Thanks! I'm curious how long you think it will last. I have a diesel
>Jetta that I expect to drive for over 10 years. Based on fuel
>consumption and price differential here, the engine doesn't pay out for
>a long time. But if I can buy one vehicle in a 10 year period instead of
>two, that makes a huge difference especially when inflation is low.
>
I suppose that depends what you do with it and when you decide to draw
a line under running repairs. Across here ( and I guess in the US)
fleet operators usually put a maximim economic life on a car of 3-4
years because they reckon that's when they start to get a bit tired.
I've collected them with mileages between 30 and 130,000 and they
still felt like new.
My previous car was a Peugeot 406 1.8 petrol and it ran for 9 years
and had 210,000 on the clock. I sold it because it needed a complete
overhaul that was in excess of the value of the car, and it was
borderline on emissions. So looked after, I'd say that most modern
vehicles will last 10 years without any dificulty - One reason for
that is that the motor manufacturers have a long term goal of
encouraging governments to place a 10 year lifespan on cars - so they
have to make cars that will last for ten years.
Unless you go mudplugging and rockcrawling every weekend there is no
real reason why your car shouldn't last ten years either.
Ewan Scott
wrote:
>Ewan Scott wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
>>>The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
>>>in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
>>>
>>
>> Mine's a 2.5 CRD and I get just over 30mpg average.
>>
>> Can't say much more than that, except that in die-hard Land Rover
>> Country there are quite a few around. Mine's a 2002 model but it only
>> has 24,000 on the clock so feels like new still, so cannot comment on
>> longevity, but I can't see any reason why it would be any worse than
>> other Jeeps.
>>
>> Ewan Scott
>Thanks! I'm curious how long you think it will last. I have a diesel
>Jetta that I expect to drive for over 10 years. Based on fuel
>consumption and price differential here, the engine doesn't pay out for
>a long time. But if I can buy one vehicle in a 10 year period instead of
>two, that makes a huge difference especially when inflation is low.
>
I suppose that depends what you do with it and when you decide to draw
a line under running repairs. Across here ( and I guess in the US)
fleet operators usually put a maximim economic life on a car of 3-4
years because they reckon that's when they start to get a bit tired.
I've collected them with mileages between 30 and 130,000 and they
still felt like new.
My previous car was a Peugeot 406 1.8 petrol and it ran for 9 years
and had 210,000 on the clock. I sold it because it needed a complete
overhaul that was in excess of the value of the car, and it was
borderline on emissions. So looked after, I'd say that most modern
vehicles will last 10 years without any dificulty - One reason for
that is that the motor manufacturers have a long term goal of
encouraging governments to place a 10 year lifespan on cars - so they
have to make cars that will last for ten years.
Unless you go mudplugging and rockcrawling every weekend there is no
real reason why your car shouldn't last ten years either.
Ewan Scott
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Re: Off Topic Diesel Liberty
lol
It won't be worth much when I turn 67, or 75, or 89, or whatever the age is
now.
Spdloader
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4434B395.E0587DD7@***.net...
> You have your military retirement to pay for your hobby anyway,
> right? ;-)
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> lol,
>>
>> Nope, I have a tandem-axle(twin 44,000 rears) rear dump bed "fastback
>> style", set up for asphalt, but I don't do much asphalt, I hate the smell
>> of
>> it, although it pays well.
>>
>> I do have the "Stay back 200Ft" sign on the rear, but I get about one
>> call a
>> month over a broken or cracked windshield.
>>
>> Little cars like to tuck up underneath the rear ------er-board when I'm
>> at a
>> stop, or around town. I don't know why they do that.
>>
>> I haul mostly rock, and various types of dirt. (Sandrock, topsoil, etc.)
>>
>> I have a small grading business, but when business is slow, I hire out to
>> whomever is paying. Especially in the winter months.
>>
>> Spdloader
It won't be worth much when I turn 67, or 75, or 89, or whatever the age is
now.
Spdloader
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4434B395.E0587DD7@***.net...
> You have your military retirement to pay for your hobby anyway,
> right? ;-)
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> lol,
>>
>> Nope, I have a tandem-axle(twin 44,000 rears) rear dump bed "fastback
>> style", set up for asphalt, but I don't do much asphalt, I hate the smell
>> of
>> it, although it pays well.
>>
>> I do have the "Stay back 200Ft" sign on the rear, but I get about one
>> call a
>> month over a broken or cracked windshield.
>>
>> Little cars like to tuck up underneath the rear ------er-board when I'm
>> at a
>> stop, or around town. I don't know why they do that.
>>
>> I haul mostly rock, and various types of dirt. (Sandrock, topsoil, etc.)
>>
>> I have a small grading business, but when business is slow, I hire out to
>> whomever is paying. Especially in the winter months.
>>
>> Spdloader
#159
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Re: Off Topic Diesel Liberty
lol
It won't be worth much when I turn 67, or 75, or 89, or whatever the age is
now.
Spdloader
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4434B395.E0587DD7@***.net...
> You have your military retirement to pay for your hobby anyway,
> right? ;-)
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> lol,
>>
>> Nope, I have a tandem-axle(twin 44,000 rears) rear dump bed "fastback
>> style", set up for asphalt, but I don't do much asphalt, I hate the smell
>> of
>> it, although it pays well.
>>
>> I do have the "Stay back 200Ft" sign on the rear, but I get about one
>> call a
>> month over a broken or cracked windshield.
>>
>> Little cars like to tuck up underneath the rear ------er-board when I'm
>> at a
>> stop, or around town. I don't know why they do that.
>>
>> I haul mostly rock, and various types of dirt. (Sandrock, topsoil, etc.)
>>
>> I have a small grading business, but when business is slow, I hire out to
>> whomever is paying. Especially in the winter months.
>>
>> Spdloader
It won't be worth much when I turn 67, or 75, or 89, or whatever the age is
now.
Spdloader
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4434B395.E0587DD7@***.net...
> You have your military retirement to pay for your hobby anyway,
> right? ;-)
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> lol,
>>
>> Nope, I have a tandem-axle(twin 44,000 rears) rear dump bed "fastback
>> style", set up for asphalt, but I don't do much asphalt, I hate the smell
>> of
>> it, although it pays well.
>>
>> I do have the "Stay back 200Ft" sign on the rear, but I get about one
>> call a
>> month over a broken or cracked windshield.
>>
>> Little cars like to tuck up underneath the rear ------er-board when I'm
>> at a
>> stop, or around town. I don't know why they do that.
>>
>> I haul mostly rock, and various types of dirt. (Sandrock, topsoil, etc.)
>>
>> I have a small grading business, but when business is slow, I hire out to
>> whomever is paying. Especially in the winter months.
>>
>> Spdloader
#160
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Re: Off Topic Diesel Liberty
lol
It won't be worth much when I turn 67, or 75, or 89, or whatever the age is
now.
Spdloader
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4434B395.E0587DD7@***.net...
> You have your military retirement to pay for your hobby anyway,
> right? ;-)
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> lol,
>>
>> Nope, I have a tandem-axle(twin 44,000 rears) rear dump bed "fastback
>> style", set up for asphalt, but I don't do much asphalt, I hate the smell
>> of
>> it, although it pays well.
>>
>> I do have the "Stay back 200Ft" sign on the rear, but I get about one
>> call a
>> month over a broken or cracked windshield.
>>
>> Little cars like to tuck up underneath the rear ------er-board when I'm
>> at a
>> stop, or around town. I don't know why they do that.
>>
>> I haul mostly rock, and various types of dirt. (Sandrock, topsoil, etc.)
>>
>> I have a small grading business, but when business is slow, I hire out to
>> whomever is paying. Especially in the winter months.
>>
>> Spdloader
It won't be worth much when I turn 67, or 75, or 89, or whatever the age is
now.
Spdloader
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4434B395.E0587DD7@***.net...
> You have your military retirement to pay for your hobby anyway,
> right? ;-)
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> lol,
>>
>> Nope, I have a tandem-axle(twin 44,000 rears) rear dump bed "fastback
>> style", set up for asphalt, but I don't do much asphalt, I hate the smell
>> of
>> it, although it pays well.
>>
>> I do have the "Stay back 200Ft" sign on the rear, but I get about one
>> call a
>> month over a broken or cracked windshield.
>>
>> Little cars like to tuck up underneath the rear ------er-board when I'm
>> at a
>> stop, or around town. I don't know why they do that.
>>
>> I haul mostly rock, and various types of dirt. (Sandrock, topsoil, etc.)
>>
>> I have a small grading business, but when business is slow, I hire out to
>> whomever is paying. Especially in the winter months.
>>
>> Spdloader