Detroit Vs Japan
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
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> There are unlicensed plumbers working out there? Do the local inspectors'
> offices know about this? That wouldn't be legal at all. Even apprentices
> are licensed.
i suppose things work differently in different geographical areas. i work
in refrigeration (service and construction) and know many plumblers. the
licensed plumber is sitting behind a desk. the unlicensed plumbers are out
in the field working under his license, and theyre damn lucky if theyre
pulling in $15 an hour.
> You obviously don't understand how a trade union works, either. It's not
> like shop unions.
fair enough. i had a union shop solicit me for employment recently offering
$26 an hour and the look on his face suggested that he thought that was a
tremendous offer. when i told them im already earning more than that, and i
dont have to subtract union dues from it plus im getting benefits, paid
vacation (which officially starts tomorrow :-), etc. his expression changed.
i went on further to discuss how i was able to stand upon my own work ethic
and abilities and didnt need the protection of a union to keep working, and
he excused himself from my table.
you mentioned that you were considering IT and as i excuse myself from this
conversation before mike hurts himself ill add this. if youre already a
licensed plumber i would stay put (unless you dont like what youre doing).
as the industry is becoming flooded with wanna-be administrators the real
money will be reserved for only the best of the best. in fact, as more and
more people rush into IT the demand in the service industry will only grow
stronger. hvac/r, plumbing, electricians, controls, etc. will be in very
high demand in the future. i myself am preparing to launch my own
refrigeration business and it looks like im going to have to pay moving
expenses and offer incentives just to find qualified help.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:54235$429b241a$422aaa7c$12188@FUSE.NET...
> There are unlicensed plumbers working out there? Do the local inspectors'
> offices know about this? That wouldn't be legal at all. Even apprentices
> are licensed.
i suppose things work differently in different geographical areas. i work
in refrigeration (service and construction) and know many plumblers. the
licensed plumber is sitting behind a desk. the unlicensed plumbers are out
in the field working under his license, and theyre damn lucky if theyre
pulling in $15 an hour.
> You obviously don't understand how a trade union works, either. It's not
> like shop unions.
fair enough. i had a union shop solicit me for employment recently offering
$26 an hour and the look on his face suggested that he thought that was a
tremendous offer. when i told them im already earning more than that, and i
dont have to subtract union dues from it plus im getting benefits, paid
vacation (which officially starts tomorrow :-), etc. his expression changed.
i went on further to discuss how i was able to stand upon my own work ethic
and abilities and didnt need the protection of a union to keep working, and
he excused himself from my table.
you mentioned that you were considering IT and as i excuse myself from this
conversation before mike hurts himself ill add this. if youre already a
licensed plumber i would stay put (unless you dont like what youre doing).
as the industry is becoming flooded with wanna-be administrators the real
money will be reserved for only the best of the best. in fact, as more and
more people rush into IT the demand in the service industry will only grow
stronger. hvac/r, plumbing, electricians, controls, etc. will be in very
high demand in the future. i myself am preparing to launch my own
refrigeration business and it looks like im going to have to pay moving
expenses and offer incentives just to find qualified help.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
#622
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Ruel Smith wrote:
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > This group does have a formal Charter.  If you don't like itÂ
don't
> > > read/post here, simple enough eh.  Otherwise the BS will takeÂ
over the
> > > group.
> > >
> > >
> >
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+******
> >
> > Did you promote yourself to newsgroup police, or something?
> >
> > --
>
> Just a regular poster who tries along with a few others to keep this one
> group on topic so the political and off topic and commercial SPAM
> ******** don't up and take it over.
>
> It hasn't been a loosing battle over the years, but there are always a
> few jerks.
Mike's entirely right... there's nobody else to police this NG, so
the members have to do it. I come here from alt.* land... sometimes
I forget my manners, especially when Bill thinks he owns the place.
I'll make a valiant attempt to limit my OT posts... apologies all 'round.
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Ruel Smith wrote:
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > This group does have a formal Charter.  If you don't like itÂ
don't
> > > read/post here, simple enough eh.  Otherwise the BS will takeÂ
over the
> > > group.
> > >
> > >
> >
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+******
> >
> > Did you promote yourself to newsgroup police, or something?
> >
> > --
>
> Just a regular poster who tries along with a few others to keep this one
> group on topic so the political and off topic and commercial SPAM
> ******** don't up and take it over.
>
> It hasn't been a loosing battle over the years, but there are always a
> few jerks.
Mike's entirely right... there's nobody else to police this NG, so
the members have to do it. I come here from alt.* land... sometimes
I forget my manners, especially when Bill thinks he owns the place.
I'll make a valiant attempt to limit my OT posts... apologies all 'round.
__
Steve
'00XJ and lovin' it
..
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Ruel Smith wrote:
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > This group does have a formal Charter.  If you don't like itÂ
don't
> > > read/post here, simple enough eh.  Otherwise the BS will takeÂ
over the
> > > group.
> > >
> > >
> >
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+******
> >
> > Did you promote yourself to newsgroup police, or something?
> >
> > --
>
> Just a regular poster who tries along with a few others to keep this one
> group on topic so the political and off topic and commercial SPAM
> ******** don't up and take it over.
>
> It hasn't been a loosing battle over the years, but there are always a
> few jerks.
Mike's entirely right... there's nobody else to police this NG, so
the members have to do it. I come here from alt.* land... sometimes
I forget my manners, especially when Bill thinks he owns the place.
I'll make a valiant attempt to limit my OT posts... apologies all 'round.
__
Steve
'00XJ and lovin' it
..
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Ruel Smith wrote:
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > This group does have a formal Charter.  If you don't like itÂ
don't
> > > read/post here, simple enough eh.  Otherwise the BS will takeÂ
over the
> > > group.
> > >
> > >
> >
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+******
> >
> > Did you promote yourself to newsgroup police, or something?
> >
> > --
>
> Just a regular poster who tries along with a few others to keep this one
> group on topic so the political and off topic and commercial SPAM
> ******** don't up and take it over.
>
> It hasn't been a loosing battle over the years, but there are always a
> few jerks.
Mike's entirely right... there's nobody else to police this NG, so
the members have to do it. I come here from alt.* land... sometimes
I forget my manners, especially when Bill thinks he owns the place.
I'll make a valiant attempt to limit my OT posts... apologies all 'round.
__
Steve
'00XJ and lovin' it
..
#626
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Dave,
It refers to a sorceress: http://www.----------.com/sorceress.jpg
Which is not a witch:
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...=witch&x=9&y=8
Unless you can call my '78 Bronco a Jeep, if so.. You need help.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Please post EXACTLY what Exodus 22:18 says in your bible.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:429A9541.3384EFA5@***.net...
> > There no witches in my Bible.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Stephen Cowell wrote:
> > >
> > > It's in your Bible, Bill!
> > > __
> > > Steve
> > > .
It refers to a sorceress: http://www.----------.com/sorceress.jpg
Which is not a witch:
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...=witch&x=9&y=8
Unless you can call my '78 Bronco a Jeep, if so.. You need help.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Please post EXACTLY what Exodus 22:18 says in your bible.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:429A9541.3384EFA5@***.net...
> > There no witches in my Bible.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Stephen Cowell wrote:
> > >
> > > It's in your Bible, Bill!
> > > __
> > > Steve
> > > .
#627
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Dave,
It refers to a sorceress: http://www.----------.com/sorceress.jpg
Which is not a witch:
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...=witch&x=9&y=8
Unless you can call my '78 Bronco a Jeep, if so.. You need help.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Please post EXACTLY what Exodus 22:18 says in your bible.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:429A9541.3384EFA5@***.net...
> > There no witches in my Bible.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Stephen Cowell wrote:
> > >
> > > It's in your Bible, Bill!
> > > __
> > > Steve
> > > .
It refers to a sorceress: http://www.----------.com/sorceress.jpg
Which is not a witch:
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...=witch&x=9&y=8
Unless you can call my '78 Bronco a Jeep, if so.. You need help.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Please post EXACTLY what Exodus 22:18 says in your bible.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:429A9541.3384EFA5@***.net...
> > There no witches in my Bible.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Stephen Cowell wrote:
> > >
> > > It's in your Bible, Bill!
> > > __
> > > Steve
> > > .
#628
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Dave,
It refers to a sorceress: http://www.----------.com/sorceress.jpg
Which is not a witch:
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...=witch&x=9&y=8
Unless you can call my '78 Bronco a Jeep, if so.. You need help.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Please post EXACTLY what Exodus 22:18 says in your bible.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:429A9541.3384EFA5@***.net...
> > There no witches in my Bible.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Stephen Cowell wrote:
> > >
> > > It's in your Bible, Bill!
> > > __
> > > Steve
> > > .
It refers to a sorceress: http://www.----------.com/sorceress.jpg
Which is not a witch:
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...=witch&x=9&y=8
Unless you can call my '78 Bronco a Jeep, if so.. You need help.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Please post EXACTLY what Exodus 22:18 says in your bible.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:429A9541.3384EFA5@***.net...
> > There no witches in my Bible.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Stephen Cowell wrote:
> > >
> > > It's in your Bible, Bill!
> > > __
> > > Steve
> > > .
#629
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Dave,
It refers to a sorceress: http://www.----------.com/sorceress.jpg
Which is not a witch:
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...=witch&x=9&y=8
Unless you can call my '78 Bronco a Jeep, if so.. You need help.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Please post EXACTLY what Exodus 22:18 says in your bible.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:429A9541.3384EFA5@***.net...
> > There no witches in my Bible.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Stephen Cowell wrote:
> > >
> > > It's in your Bible, Bill!
> > > __
> > > Steve
> > > .
It refers to a sorceress: http://www.----------.com/sorceress.jpg
Which is not a witch:
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...=witch&x=9&y=8
Unless you can call my '78 Bronco a Jeep, if so.. You need help.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Please post EXACTLY what Exodus 22:18 says in your bible.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:429A9541.3384EFA5@***.net...
> > There no witches in my Bible.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Stephen Cowell wrote:
> > >
> > > It's in your Bible, Bill!
> > > __
> > > Steve
> > > .
#630
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:429BDB73.7B5D619D@***.net...
> Dave,
> It refers to a sorceress: http://www.----------.com/sorceress.jpg
> Which is not a witch:
> http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...=witch&x=9&y=8
Perhaps if you read the link, you'd have seen:
<>
Main Entry: 1 witch
Pronunciation: 'wich
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English wicche,
....
1 : one that is credited with usually malignant supernatural powers;
especially : a woman practicing usually black witchcraft often with
the aid of a devil or familiar : SORCERESS -- compare WARLOCK
</>
The word 'SORCERESS' means that they are synonyms....
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Steve
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