Re: D-C might become just D and C.
 

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:42:47 -0500, Tom Greening wrote:

> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> I wouldn't mind if Ford buys Jeep, then they can use the JK platform for a
>> real return of the SWB Bronco...
>>
>> But Ford is having its own problems. GM, too. Neither one of them is in the
>> financial position to buy Chrysler, so I take these reports with a liberal
>> grain of salt.
>>
>
>
> Not necessarily. It IS possible to take two ailing companies and turn
> them into one profitable one. That's all GM would need to do is prove
> that their acquisition of DC would put the resulting company in the
> black and the banks will go for it.
>
> Facility mergers, man power consolidation, product line trimmings and
> such could conceivably make GM a stronger and profitable entity again.
> That's not to say it WILL, only that it is possible for a weak company
> to buy a weak competitor and come out strong in the end.

That's pretty much the way GM came onto being in the first place - buying
up or merging smaller brands. The DC problem is the product mix - too
many big boxes - and GM has an image problem. Neither rate well on
reliability although the DC warranty program helped a lot. Remember when
no one would even talk about Hyundai? Look what that 10yr/100k warranty
did for them.

--
Will Honea <whonea@yahoo.com>

Re: D-C might become just D and C.
 

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:42:47 -0500, Tom Greening wrote:

> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> I wouldn't mind if Ford buys Jeep, then they can use the JK platform for a
>> real return of the SWB Bronco...
>>
>> But Ford is having its own problems. GM, too. Neither one of them is in the
>> financial position to buy Chrysler, so I take these reports with a liberal
>> grain of salt.
>>
>
>
> Not necessarily. It IS possible to take two ailing companies and turn
> them into one profitable one. That's all GM would need to do is prove
> that their acquisition of DC would put the resulting company in the
> black and the banks will go for it.
>
> Facility mergers, man power consolidation, product line trimmings and
> such could conceivably make GM a stronger and profitable entity again.
> That's not to say it WILL, only that it is possible for a weak company
> to buy a weak competitor and come out strong in the end.

That's pretty much the way GM came onto being in the first place - buying
up or merging smaller brands. The DC problem is the product mix - too
many big boxes - and GM has an image problem. Neither rate well on
reliability although the DC warranty program helped a lot. Remember when
no one would even talk about Hyundai? Look what that 10yr/100k warranty
did for them.

--
Will Honea <whonea@yahoo.com>

Re: D-C might become just D and C.
 

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:42:47 -0500, Tom Greening wrote:

> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> I wouldn't mind if Ford buys Jeep, then they can use the JK platform for a
>> real return of the SWB Bronco...
>>
>> But Ford is having its own problems. GM, too. Neither one of them is in the
>> financial position to buy Chrysler, so I take these reports with a liberal
>> grain of salt.
>>
>
>
> Not necessarily. It IS possible to take two ailing companies and turn
> them into one profitable one. That's all GM would need to do is prove
> that their acquisition of DC would put the resulting company in the
> black and the banks will go for it.
>
> Facility mergers, man power consolidation, product line trimmings and
> such could conceivably make GM a stronger and profitable entity again.
> That's not to say it WILL, only that it is possible for a weak company
> to buy a weak competitor and come out strong in the end.

That's pretty much the way GM came onto being in the first place - buying
up or merging smaller brands. The DC problem is the product mix - too
many big boxes - and GM has an image problem. Neither rate well on
reliability although the DC warranty program helped a lot. Remember when
no one would even talk about Hyundai? Look what that 10yr/100k warranty
did for them.

--
Will Honea <whonea@yahoo.com>

Re: D-C might become just D and C
 

What I saw on the network news is that you have to pay U.S. autoworkers too
much, to be able to make the cars cheaply enough, so that the same U.S.
workers will buy them. I don't get how you can fix this, by having some
other investor buy the company.

Earle

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:F8mdnQADcf3JOknYnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial
position
> to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.
>
> I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
> manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad
day
> if it ever happens.
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
> > their design facilities.
> >
> > Coasty
> >
> > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2.panix .com...
> >>
> >>
> >>
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...kmg&refer=home
> >>
> >> Selected highlights:
> >>
> >> <q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
> >> Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
> >> carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
> >> trucks.</q>
> >>
> >> <q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from a
> >> possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
> >>
> >> <q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
> >>
> >> <q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
> >> meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
> >>
> >> <q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler to
> >> the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
> >> unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
> >> said. </q>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> "We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New
Jersey,
> >> that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been
underestimated."
> >> Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: D-C might become just D and C
 

What I saw on the network news is that you have to pay U.S. autoworkers too
much, to be able to make the cars cheaply enough, so that the same U.S.
workers will buy them. I don't get how you can fix this, by having some
other investor buy the company.

Earle

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:F8mdnQADcf3JOknYnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial
position
> to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.
>
> I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
> manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad
day
> if it ever happens.
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
> > their design facilities.
> >
> > Coasty
> >
> > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2.panix .com...
> >>
> >>
> >>
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...kmg&refer=home
> >>
> >> Selected highlights:
> >>
> >> <q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
> >> Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
> >> carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
> >> trucks.</q>
> >>
> >> <q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from a
> >> possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
> >>
> >> <q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
> >>
> >> <q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
> >> meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
> >>
> >> <q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler to
> >> the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
> >> unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
> >> said. </q>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> "We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New
Jersey,
> >> that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been
underestimated."
> >> Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: D-C might become just D and C
 

What I saw on the network news is that you have to pay U.S. autoworkers too
much, to be able to make the cars cheaply enough, so that the same U.S.
workers will buy them. I don't get how you can fix this, by having some
other investor buy the company.

Earle

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:F8mdnQADcf3JOknYnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial
position
> to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.
>
> I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
> manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad
day
> if it ever happens.
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
> > their design facilities.
> >
> > Coasty
> >
> > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2.panix .com...
> >>
> >>
> >>
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...kmg&refer=home
> >>
> >> Selected highlights:
> >>
> >> <q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
> >> Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
> >> carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
> >> trucks.</q>
> >>
> >> <q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from a
> >> possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
> >>
> >> <q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
> >>
> >> <q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
> >> meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
> >>
> >> <q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler to
> >> the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
> >> unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
> >> said. </q>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> "We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New
Jersey,
> >> that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been
underestimated."
> >> Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: D-C might become just D and C
 

What I saw on the network news is that you have to pay U.S. autoworkers too
much, to be able to make the cars cheaply enough, so that the same U.S.
workers will buy them. I don't get how you can fix this, by having some
other investor buy the company.

Earle

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:F8mdnQADcf3JOknYnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial
position
> to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.
>
> I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
> manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad
day
> if it ever happens.
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
> > their design facilities.
> >
> > Coasty
> >
> > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2.panix .com...
> >>
> >>
> >>
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...kmg&refer=home
> >>
> >> Selected highlights:
> >>
> >> <q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
> >> Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
> >> carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
> >> trucks.</q>
> >>
> >> <q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from a
> >> possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
> >>
> >> <q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
> >>
> >> <q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
> >> meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
> >>
> >> <q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler to
> >> the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
> >> unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
> >> said. </q>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> "We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New
Jersey,
> >> that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been
underestimated."
> >> Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: D-C might become just D and C
 

How about the new 2008 Jeep "Fat Boy"???

Harley Davidson could buy JUST the Jeep group and jettison the newer
B.S. products, then take Jeep back to their real Jeep roots that the
Germans disolved while trying to make a buck. I am not exactly a
Harley fan, but they DO have "some" patriotism left in their company!

Bruce

Re: D-C might become just D and C
 

How about the new 2008 Jeep "Fat Boy"???

Harley Davidson could buy JUST the Jeep group and jettison the newer
B.S. products, then take Jeep back to their real Jeep roots that the
Germans disolved while trying to make a buck. I am not exactly a
Harley fan, but they DO have "some" patriotism left in their company!

Bruce

Re: D-C might become just D and C
 

How about the new 2008 Jeep "Fat Boy"???

Harley Davidson could buy JUST the Jeep group and jettison the newer
B.S. products, then take Jeep back to their real Jeep roots that the
Germans disolved while trying to make a buck. I am not exactly a
Harley fan, but they DO have "some" patriotism left in their company!

Bruce