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Ken Finney 02-15-2007 12:11 PM

Re: D-C might become just D and C.
 

"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:45d3d301$0$4847$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>I wonder what is the smallest size a viable car company in the current US
>market is? Would an independent Jeep be able to survive on it's own?
>
> Somehow I doubt it, and if it DID it would really have to be a privately
> held company, otherwise someone would swallow it up.
>
> For Jeep to be a successful company all on it's own I think it would
> either need someone or a small group of people with very deep pockets.
>
> Hmm, wonder what Bill Gates drives?
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Clap Trap wrote:
>> Wouldn't it be great if Jeep broke off and became its own entity again?
>> Maybe then we could dump the libby, IFS, and get a small Jeep again.
>>
>> Wishful thinking I know. Sigh...


Toyota is the most likely buyer for Jeep.




Matt Macchiarolo 02-15-2007 01:32 PM

Re: D-C might become just D and C
 
Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial position
to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.

I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad day
if it ever happens.

"Coasty" <uscg_ret@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
> their design facilities.
>
> Coasty
>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2.panix .com...
>>
>>
>> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...kmg&refer=home
>>
>> Selected highlights:
>>
>> <q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
>> Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
>> carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
>> trucks.</q>
>>
>> <q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from a
>> possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
>>
>> <q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
>>
>> <q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
>> meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
>>
>> <q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler to
>> the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
>> unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
>> said. </q>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
>> that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
>> Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>>

>




Matt Macchiarolo 02-15-2007 01:32 PM

Re: D-C might become just D and C
 
Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial position
to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.

I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad day
if it ever happens.

"Coasty" <uscg_ret@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
> their design facilities.
>
> Coasty
>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2.panix .com...
>>
>>
>> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...kmg&refer=home
>>
>> Selected highlights:
>>
>> <q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
>> Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
>> carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
>> trucks.</q>
>>
>> <q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from a
>> possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
>>
>> <q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
>>
>> <q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
>> meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
>>
>> <q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler to
>> the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
>> unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
>> said. </q>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
>> that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
>> Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>>

>




Matt Macchiarolo 02-15-2007 01:32 PM

Re: D-C might become just D and C
 
Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial position
to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.

I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad day
if it ever happens.

"Coasty" <uscg_ret@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
> their design facilities.
>
> Coasty
>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2.panix .com...
>>
>>
>> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...kmg&refer=home
>>
>> Selected highlights:
>>
>> <q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
>> Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
>> carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
>> trucks.</q>
>>
>> <q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from a
>> possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
>>
>> <q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
>>
>> <q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
>> meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
>>
>> <q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler to
>> the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
>> unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
>> said. </q>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
>> that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
>> Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>>

>




Matt Macchiarolo 02-15-2007 01:32 PM

Re: D-C might become just D and C
 
Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial position
to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.

I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad day
if it ever happens.

"Coasty" <uscg_ret@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
> their design facilities.
>
> Coasty
>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2.panix .com...
>>
>>
>> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...kmg&refer=home
>>
>> Selected highlights:
>>
>> <q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
>> Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
>> carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
>> trucks.</q>
>>
>> <q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from a
>> possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
>>
>> <q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
>>
>> <q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
>> meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
>>
>> <q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler to
>> the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
>> unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
>> said. </q>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
>> that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
>> Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>>

>




billy ray 02-15-2007 01:37 PM

Re: D-C might become just D and C
 
The Jeep factory in Red China is still making the XJ and it is probably
superior to the US version as far as off-roading is concerned.


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:F8mdnQADcf3JOknYnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial
> position to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.
>
> I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
> manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad
> day if it ever happens.
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
>> their design facilities.
>>
>> Coasty
>>
>> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2.panix .com...
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...kmg&refer=home
>>>
>>> Selected highlights:
>>>
>>> <q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
>>> Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
>>> carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
>>> trucks.</q>
>>>
>>> <q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from a
>>> possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
>>>
>>> <q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
>>>
>>> <q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
>>> meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
>>>
>>> <q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler to
>>> the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
>>> unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
>>> said. </q>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New
>>> Jersey,
>>> that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
>>> Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>>>

>>

>
>




billy ray 02-15-2007 01:37 PM

Re: D-C might become just D and C
 
The Jeep factory in Red China is still making the XJ and it is probably
superior to the US version as far as off-roading is concerned.


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:F8mdnQADcf3JOknYnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial
> position to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.
>
> I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
> manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad
> day if it ever happens.
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
>> their design facilities.
>>
>> Coasty
>>
>> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2.panix .com...
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...kmg&refer=home
>>>
>>> Selected highlights:
>>>
>>> <q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
>>> Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
>>> carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
>>> trucks.</q>
>>>
>>> <q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from a
>>> possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
>>>
>>> <q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
>>>
>>> <q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
>>> meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
>>>
>>> <q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler to
>>> the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
>>> unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
>>> said. </q>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New
>>> Jersey,
>>> that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
>>> Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>>>

>>

>
>




billy ray 02-15-2007 01:37 PM

Re: D-C might become just D and C
 
The Jeep factory in Red China is still making the XJ and it is probably
superior to the US version as far as off-roading is concerned.


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:F8mdnQADcf3JOknYnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial
> position to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.
>
> I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
> manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad
> day if it ever happens.
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
>> their design facilities.
>>
>> Coasty
>>
>> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2.panix .com...
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...kmg&refer=home
>>>
>>> Selected highlights:
>>>
>>> <q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
>>> Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
>>> carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
>>> trucks.</q>
>>>
>>> <q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from a
>>> possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
>>>
>>> <q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
>>>
>>> <q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
>>> meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
>>>
>>> <q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler to
>>> the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
>>> unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
>>> said. </q>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New
>>> Jersey,
>>> that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
>>> Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>>>

>>

>
>




billy ray 02-15-2007 01:37 PM

Re: D-C might become just D and C
 
The Jeep factory in Red China is still making the XJ and it is probably
superior to the US version as far as off-roading is concerned.


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:F8mdnQADcf3JOknYnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial
> position to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.
>
> I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
> manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad
> day if it ever happens.
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
>> their design facilities.
>>
>> Coasty
>>
>> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2.panix .com...
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...kmg&refer=home
>>>
>>> Selected highlights:
>>>
>>> <q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
>>> Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
>>> carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
>>> trucks.</q>
>>>
>>> <q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from a
>>> possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
>>>
>>> <q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
>>>
>>> <q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
>>> meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
>>>
>>> <q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler to
>>> the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
>>> unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
>>> said. </q>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New
>>> Jersey,
>>> that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
>>> Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>>>

>>

>
>




Will Honea 02-15-2007 02:32 PM

Re: D-C might become just D and C.
 
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:42:47 -0500, Tom Greening wrote:

> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> I wouldn't mind if Ford buys Jeep, then they can use the JK platform for a
>> real return of the SWB Bronco...
>>
>> But Ford is having its own problems. GM, too. Neither one of them is in the
>> financial position to buy Chrysler, so I take these reports with a liberal
>> grain of salt.
>>

>
>
> Not necessarily. It IS possible to take two ailing companies and turn
> them into one profitable one. That's all GM would need to do is prove
> that their acquisition of DC would put the resulting company in the
> black and the banks will go for it.
>
> Facility mergers, man power consolidation, product line trimmings and
> such could conceivably make GM a stronger and profitable entity again.
> That's not to say it WILL, only that it is possible for a weak company
> to buy a weak competitor and come out strong in the end.


That's pretty much the way GM came onto being in the first place - buying
up or merging smaller brands. The DC problem is the product mix - too
many big boxes - and GM has an image problem. Neither rate well on
reliability although the DC warranty program helped a lot. Remember when
no one would even talk about Hyundai? Look what that 10yr/100k warranty
did for them.

--
Will Honea <whonea@yahoo.com>


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