Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

In <3a3f4978.0403021607.3f8fdbc6@posting.google.com > Matt wrote:
>> Goodyear makes some damn tough tires but none of them are installed
>> as original equipment by the automakers. The crap they make for new
>> vehicles isn't any better than anyone else's OEM crap, with the
>> possible exception of the firestone lines. You've had a bad
>> experience with Goodyear and nobody can blame you for feeling the
>> way you do, but their better tires are as good as anybody's and
>> better than most.
>
> I didn't mean to shoot my mouth off about them...I bet their high-end
> ones are good. It was just really frustrating to have so many problems
> so quickly.

Like I said, I don't blame you a bit. They got greedy and lowered their
standards of quality in order to enter the lucrative OEM market, and
alienating potential repeat customers like you is the result of that.
To be honest I was surprised that the Wrangler MT/R turned out to be as
good as it did, since their usual pattern is to drop their most
successful products and replace them with something that isn't as good (
like the Wrangler AT that became the AT/S) but costs more. The MT/R is
better than the old Wrangler MT in every way with the possible exception
that it doesn't come pinned for studs. And that last complaint is
mostly a matter of convenience for the dealer. The original MT was only
an average off road tire, but it was an outstanding winter/snow tire for
those willing to pay the price.

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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

In <3a3f4978.0403021607.3f8fdbc6@posting.google.com > Matt wrote:
>> Goodyear makes some damn tough tires but none of them are installed
>> as original equipment by the automakers. The crap they make for new
>> vehicles isn't any better than anyone else's OEM crap, with the
>> possible exception of the firestone lines. You've had a bad
>> experience with Goodyear and nobody can blame you for feeling the
>> way you do, but their better tires are as good as anybody's and
>> better than most.
>
> I didn't mean to shoot my mouth off about them...I bet their high-end
> ones are good. It was just really frustrating to have so many problems
> so quickly.

Like I said, I don't blame you a bit. They got greedy and lowered their
standards of quality in order to enter the lucrative OEM market, and
alienating potential repeat customers like you is the result of that.
To be honest I was surprised that the Wrangler MT/R turned out to be as
good as it did, since their usual pattern is to drop their most
successful products and replace them with something that isn't as good (
like the Wrangler AT that became the AT/S) but costs more. The MT/R is
better than the old Wrangler MT in every way with the possible exception
that it doesn't come pinned for studs. And that last complaint is
mostly a matter of convenience for the dealer. The original MT was only
an average off road tire, but it was an outstanding winter/snow tire for
those willing to pay the price.

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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

Yep, 10,000 to 15000 miles was about all you could get out of a set of OE
tires on cars during the 60's.

Tom

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
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> You should have seen it when the new cars came with two ply bias
> tires.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>

Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

Yep, 10,000 to 15000 miles was about all you could get out of a set of OE
tires on cars during the 60's.

Tom

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:40443E86.54861C7A@cox.net...
> You should have seen it when the new cars came with two ply bias
> tires.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>

Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

Yep, 10,000 to 15000 miles was about all you could get out of a set of OE
tires on cars during the 60's.

Tom

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:40443E86.54861C7A@cox.net...
> You should have seen it when the new cars came with two ply bias
> tires.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>

Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

Plus the horse power back then, the kids were ripping second and
third gear, all over the place. I remember my dad asking the Goodyear
tire salesman why their tires were wearing off one side on the rears, he
said it was because of the crown in the road, probably knowing I was
leaning his '56 Ford up on two wheels to burn more third gear.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

mabar wrote:
>
> Yep, 10,000 to 15000 miles was about all you could get out of a set of OE
> tires on cars during the 60's.
>
> Tom

Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

Plus the horse power back then, the kids were ripping second and
third gear, all over the place. I remember my dad asking the Goodyear
tire salesman why their tires were wearing off one side on the rears, he
said it was because of the crown in the road, probably knowing I was
leaning his '56 Ford up on two wheels to burn more third gear.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

mabar wrote:
>
> Yep, 10,000 to 15000 miles was about all you could get out of a set of OE
> tires on cars during the 60's.
>
> Tom

Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

Plus the horse power back then, the kids were ripping second and
third gear, all over the place. I remember my dad asking the Goodyear
tire salesman why their tires were wearing off one side on the rears, he
said it was because of the crown in the road, probably knowing I was
leaning his '56 Ford up on two wheels to burn more third gear.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

mabar wrote:
>
> Yep, 10,000 to 15000 miles was about all you could get out of a set of OE
> tires on cars during the 60's.
>
> Tom

Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

In <404669E2.C9211D3@cox.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Plus the horse power back then, the kids were ripping second and
> third gear, all over the place. I remember my dad asking the Goodyear
> tire salesman why their tires were wearing off one side on the rears,
> he said it was because of the crown in the road, probably knowing I
> was leaning his '56 Ford up on two wheels to burn more third gear.

Reminds me of the time a customer came in complaining about the amount
of wear on his relatively new set of tires. My dad told him, sure, he'd
adjust those tires under warranty just as soon as the guy's teenage son
left for college. Guy was kind of sheepish after that and never did
come back to get his tires adjusted. 8^)

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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

In <404669E2.C9211D3@cox.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Plus the horse power back then, the kids were ripping second and
> third gear, all over the place. I remember my dad asking the Goodyear
> tire salesman why their tires were wearing off one side on the rears,
> he said it was because of the crown in the road, probably knowing I
> was leaning his '56 Ford up on two wheels to burn more third gear.

Reminds me of the time a customer came in complaining about the amount
of wear on his relatively new set of tires. My dad told him, sure, he'd
adjust those tires under warranty just as soon as the guy's teenage son
left for college. Guy was kind of sheepish after that and never did
come back to get his tires adjusted. 8^)

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