Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

My stepfather finally decided to junk the Jimmy that his daughter rear
ended someone with a year ago, and offered me the tires (with about
3-4/5th the tread left), so my only cost would be to have them
remounted.

I currently drive Firestone Wilderness ATs. I don't plan to go nuts
off-roading, but I do drive through a lot of midwestern weather. Are
these Coopers any good, or are they worth what I'd pay for them. Would
being on a non-operation vehicle for a year have hurt them (the truck
wasn't moved, but they weren't deflated)?
--

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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

In <84v0c.27330$hm4.12270@newsread3.news.atl.earthlin k.net> Monte
Castleman wrote:

> I currently drive Firestone Wilderness ATs. I don't plan to go nuts
> off-roading, but I do drive through a lot of midwestern weather. Are
> these Coopers any good, or are they worth what I'd pay for them. Would
> being on a non-operation vehicle for a year have hurt them (the truck
> wasn't moved, but they weren't deflated)?

Anything is likely to be an improvement over those firestones. In 10+
years of working in my family's tire shop, that was one of the worst
damn pieces of crap I ever saw foisted on the public as being a supposed
light truck tire. I never understood the recall where they were
treating it as a manufacturing defect in some of them, depending on when
produced and in what plant. They were ALL bad! The one good thing I
have to say about them is they helped me to sell a lot of Goodyears. 8^)

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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

In <84v0c.27330$hm4.12270@newsread3.news.atl.earthlin k.net> Monte
Castleman wrote:

> I currently drive Firestone Wilderness ATs. I don't plan to go nuts
> off-roading, but I do drive through a lot of midwestern weather. Are
> these Coopers any good, or are they worth what I'd pay for them. Would
> being on a non-operation vehicle for a year have hurt them (the truck
> wasn't moved, but they weren't deflated)?

Anything is likely to be an improvement over those firestones. In 10+
years of working in my family's tire shop, that was one of the worst
damn pieces of crap I ever saw foisted on the public as being a supposed
light truck tire. I never understood the recall where they were
treating it as a manufacturing defect in some of them, depending on when
produced and in what plant. They were ALL bad! The one good thing I
have to say about them is they helped me to sell a lot of Goodyears. 8^)

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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

In <84v0c.27330$hm4.12270@newsread3.news.atl.earthlin k.net> Monte
Castleman wrote:

> I currently drive Firestone Wilderness ATs. I don't plan to go nuts
> off-roading, but I do drive through a lot of midwestern weather. Are
> these Coopers any good, or are they worth what I'd pay for them. Would
> being on a non-operation vehicle for a year have hurt them (the truck
> wasn't moved, but they weren't deflated)?

Anything is likely to be an improvement over those firestones. In 10+
years of working in my family's tire shop, that was one of the worst
damn pieces of crap I ever saw foisted on the public as being a supposed
light truck tire. I never understood the recall where they were
treating it as a manufacturing defect in some of them, depending on when
produced and in what plant. They were ALL bad! The one good thing I
have to say about them is they helped me to sell a lot of Goodyears. 8^)

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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

It didn't use to be that way while it was an American company. I
know you've adjusted many Goodyears, as I've had many the theirs tread
separate, just that I took them off when I felt them go out of round,
before the rolled off like the Firestones that killed the top heave
Explorer passengers.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> Anything is likely to be an improvement over those firestones. In 10+
> years of working in my family's tire shop, that was one of the worst
> damn pieces of crap I ever saw foisted on the public as being a supposed
> light truck tire. I never understood the recall where they were
> treating it as a manufacturing defect in some of them, depending on when
> produced and in what plant. They were ALL bad! The one good thing I
> have to say about them is they helped me to sell a lot of Goodyears. 8^)
>
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

It didn't use to be that way while it was an American company. I
know you've adjusted many Goodyears, as I've had many the theirs tread
separate, just that I took them off when I felt them go out of round,
before the rolled off like the Firestones that killed the top heave
Explorer passengers.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> Anything is likely to be an improvement over those firestones. In 10+
> years of working in my family's tire shop, that was one of the worst
> damn pieces of crap I ever saw foisted on the public as being a supposed
> light truck tire. I never understood the recall where they were
> treating it as a manufacturing defect in some of them, depending on when
> produced and in what plant. They were ALL bad! The one good thing I
> have to say about them is they helped me to sell a lot of Goodyears. 8^)
>
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

It didn't use to be that way while it was an American company. I
know you've adjusted many Goodyears, as I've had many the theirs tread
separate, just that I took them off when I felt them go out of round,
before the rolled off like the Firestones that killed the top heave
Explorer passengers.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> Anything is likely to be an improvement over those firestones. In 10+
> years of working in my family's tire shop, that was one of the worst
> damn pieces of crap I ever saw foisted on the public as being a supposed
> light truck tire. I never understood the recall where they were
> treating it as a manufacturing defect in some of them, depending on when
> produced and in what plant. They were ALL bad! The one good thing I
> have to say about them is they helped me to sell a lot of Goodyears. 8^)
>
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
air pressure Ford specified.

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:13:59 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@cox.net> wrote:

> It didn't use to be that way while it was an American company. I
>know you've adjusted many Goodyears, as I've had many the theirs tread
>separate, just that I took them off when I felt them go out of round,
>before the rolled off like the Firestones that killed the top heave
>Explorer passengers.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Del Rawlins wrote:
>>
>> Anything is likely to be an improvement over those firestones. In 10+
>> years of working in my family's tire shop, that was one of the worst
>> damn pieces of crap I ever saw foisted on the public as being a supposed
>> light truck tire. I never understood the recall where they were
>> treating it as a manufacturing defect in some of them, depending on when
>> produced and in what plant. They were ALL bad! The one good thing I
>> have to say about them is they helped me to sell a lot of Goodyears. 8^)
>>
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
air pressure Ford specified.

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:13:59 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@cox.net> wrote:

> It didn't use to be that way while it was an American company. I
>know you've adjusted many Goodyears, as I've had many the theirs tread
>separate, just that I took them off when I felt them go out of round,
>before the rolled off like the Firestones that killed the top heave
>Explorer passengers.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Del Rawlins wrote:
>>
>> Anything is likely to be an improvement over those firestones. In 10+
>> years of working in my family's tire shop, that was one of the worst
>> damn pieces of crap I ever saw foisted on the public as being a supposed
>> light truck tire. I never understood the recall where they were
>> treating it as a manufacturing defect in some of them, depending on when
>> produced and in what plant. They were ALL bad! The one good thing I
>> have to say about them is they helped me to sell a lot of Goodyears. 8^)
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
air pressure Ford specified.

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:13:59 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@cox.net> wrote:

> It didn't use to be that way while it was an American company. I
>know you've adjusted many Goodyears, as I've had many the theirs tread
>separate, just that I took them off when I felt them go out of round,
>before the rolled off like the Firestones that killed the top heave
>Explorer passengers.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Del Rawlins wrote:
>>
>> Anything is likely to be an improvement over those firestones. In 10+
>> years of working in my family's tire shop, that was one of the worst
>> damn pieces of crap I ever saw foisted on the public as being a supposed
>> light truck tire. I never understood the recall where they were
>> treating it as a manufacturing defect in some of them, depending on when
>> produced and in what plant. They were ALL bad! The one good thing I
>> have to say about them is they helped me to sell a lot of Goodyears. 8^)
>>
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

>I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
>air pressure Ford specified.
>
My understanding of the problem is that:

1.) Ford built the Explorer on the Ranger frame, which really wasn't designed
to handle that kind of weight, thus making the Explorer more top-heavy than
most SUVs.

2. Ford tried to market it as a car by
A) Specifying low air pressure to try to make it ride smoother
B) Promoting it to people that had no clue how to handle a truck properly in
adverse situations, ie a blowout.

3. Some / Most / All of the Firestone tires had real problems.

So you have a fire and gasoline type situation. Ultimately one of the reasons
I bought a Jeep Cherokee instead of an Exploder is the taint that brand now
has on it. The first thing I did was check to see if there was an open recall
still on the tires, but I wasn't that lucky.

--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>

Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

>I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
>air pressure Ford specified.
>
My understanding of the problem is that:

1.) Ford built the Explorer on the Ranger frame, which really wasn't designed
to handle that kind of weight, thus making the Explorer more top-heavy than
most SUVs.

2. Ford tried to market it as a car by
A) Specifying low air pressure to try to make it ride smoother
B) Promoting it to people that had no clue how to handle a truck properly in
adverse situations, ie a blowout.

3. Some / Most / All of the Firestone tires had real problems.

So you have a fire and gasoline type situation. Ultimately one of the reasons
I bought a Jeep Cherokee instead of an Exploder is the taint that brand now
has on it. The first thing I did was check to see if there was an open recall
still on the tires, but I wasn't that lucky.

--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>

Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

>I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
>air pressure Ford specified.
>
My understanding of the problem is that:

1.) Ford built the Explorer on the Ranger frame, which really wasn't designed
to handle that kind of weight, thus making the Explorer more top-heavy than
most SUVs.

2. Ford tried to market it as a car by
A) Specifying low air pressure to try to make it ride smoother
B) Promoting it to people that had no clue how to handle a truck properly in
adverse situations, ie a blowout.

3. Some / Most / All of the Firestone tires had real problems.

So you have a fire and gasoline type situation. Ultimately one of the reasons
I bought a Jeep Cherokee instead of an Exploder is the taint that brand now
has on it. The first thing I did was check to see if there was an open recall
still on the tires, but I wasn't that lucky.

--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>

Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

Yes, the twenty four pounds as written on the door jamb for a
better ride did contribute, and is the reason Ford is a codefendant with
Firestone.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Osborn wrote:
>
> I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
> air pressure Ford specified.

Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

Yes, the twenty four pounds as written on the door jamb for a
better ride did contribute, and is the reason Ford is a codefendant with
Firestone.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Osborn wrote:
>
> I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
> air pressure Ford specified.

Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

Yes, the twenty four pounds as written on the door jamb for a
better ride did contribute, and is the reason Ford is a codefendant with
Firestone.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Osborn wrote:
>
> I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
> air pressure Ford specified.

Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

True, the Explorer is on the Ranger frame, with the same axle width
as a TJ. They have since widen it using independent axles.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Monte Castleman wrote:
>
> My understanding of the problem is that:
>
> 1.) Ford built the Explorer on the Ranger frame, which really wasn't designed
> to handle that kind of weight, thus making the Explorer more top-heavy than
> most SUVs.
>
> 2. Ford tried to market it as a car by
> A) Specifying low air pressure to try to make it ride smoother
> B) Promoting it to people that had no clue how to handle a truck properly in
> adverse situations, ie a blowout.
>
> 3. Some / Most / All of the Firestone tires had real problems.
>
> So you have a fire and gasoline type situation. Ultimately one of the reasons
> I bought a Jeep Cherokee instead of an Exploder is the taint that brand now
> has on it. The first thing I did was check to see if there was an open recall
> still on the tires, but I wasn't that lucky.
>
> --
> Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
> Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>

Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

True, the Explorer is on the Ranger frame, with the same axle width
as a TJ. They have since widen it using independent axles.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Monte Castleman wrote:
>
> My understanding of the problem is that:
>
> 1.) Ford built the Explorer on the Ranger frame, which really wasn't designed
> to handle that kind of weight, thus making the Explorer more top-heavy than
> most SUVs.
>
> 2. Ford tried to market it as a car by
> A) Specifying low air pressure to try to make it ride smoother
> B) Promoting it to people that had no clue how to handle a truck properly in
> adverse situations, ie a blowout.
>
> 3. Some / Most / All of the Firestone tires had real problems.
>
> So you have a fire and gasoline type situation. Ultimately one of the reasons
> I bought a Jeep Cherokee instead of an Exploder is the taint that brand now
> has on it. The first thing I did was check to see if there was an open recall
> still on the tires, but I wasn't that lucky.
>
> --
> Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
> Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>

Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

True, the Explorer is on the Ranger frame, with the same axle width
as a TJ. They have since widen it using independent axles.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Monte Castleman wrote:
>
> My understanding of the problem is that:
>
> 1.) Ford built the Explorer on the Ranger frame, which really wasn't designed
> to handle that kind of weight, thus making the Explorer more top-heavy than
> most SUVs.
>
> 2. Ford tried to market it as a car by
> A) Specifying low air pressure to try to make it ride smoother
> B) Promoting it to people that had no clue how to handle a truck properly in
> adverse situations, ie a blowout.
>
> 3. Some / Most / All of the Firestone tires had real problems.
>
> So you have a fire and gasoline type situation. Ultimately one of the reasons
> I bought a Jeep Cherokee instead of an Exploder is the taint that brand now
> has on it. The first thing I did was check to see if there was an open recall
> still on the tires, but I wasn't that lucky.
>
> --
> Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
> Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>

Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

Ford was simply suggesting an appropriate air-down pressure for moderate
rock crawling... as Explorer drivers are prone to do.
-Brian

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4042B61B.9A560C6@cox.net...
: Yes, the twenty four pounds as written on the door jamb for a
: better ride did contribute, and is the reason Ford is a codefendant with
: Firestone.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Matt Osborn wrote:
: >
: > I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
: > air pressure Ford specified.

Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

Ford was simply suggesting an appropriate air-down pressure for moderate
rock crawling... as Explorer drivers are prone to do.
-Brian

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4042B61B.9A560C6@cox.net...
: Yes, the twenty four pounds as written on the door jamb for a
: better ride did contribute, and is the reason Ford is a codefendant with
: Firestone.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Matt Osborn wrote:
: >
: > I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
: > air pressure Ford specified.

Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

Ford was simply suggesting an appropriate air-down pressure for moderate
rock crawling... as Explorer drivers are prone to do.
-Brian

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4042B61B.9A560C6@cox.net...
: Yes, the twenty four pounds as written on the door jamb for a
: better ride did contribute, and is the reason Ford is a codefendant with
: Firestone.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Matt Osborn wrote:
: >
: > I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
: > air pressure Ford specified.

Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

In <40429C67.DF8BE2F7@cox.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> It didn't use to be that way while it was an American company. I
> know you've adjusted many Goodyears, as I've had many the theirs tread
> separate, just that I took them off when I felt them go out of round,
> before the rolled off like the Firestones that killed the top heave
> Explorer passengers.

I can only think of a couple times that we had defective Goodyears *that
we sold* come back in the time that I was working there, one of which I
suspected was run low. There were definitely problems with the tires
that Goodyear sold to the OEMs, like the Wrangler RT/S and other light
duty lines that were probably fine on paved roads but didn't hold up at
all on the Cordova roads. Those lower quality Goodyears definitely made
it harder for us to sell the good stuff to the average customer who had
to be educated on the difference. We sold mostly the higher end,
heavier load range light truck tires and usually whatever their middle
line was for passenger cars. It was definitely more difficult to
compete with the lower cost brands that way, but the people who did buy
a set from us were generally satisfied. We normally didn't see them in
the shop again until it was time to sell them a new set a few years
later. As opposed to the more regular customers with uniroyal/firestone/
whatever who were in more frequently for yet another patch, but those
guys usually figured it out eventually, too.

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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

In <40429C67.DF8BE2F7@cox.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> It didn't use to be that way while it was an American company. I
> know you've adjusted many Goodyears, as I've had many the theirs tread
> separate, just that I took them off when I felt them go out of round,
> before the rolled off like the Firestones that killed the top heave
> Explorer passengers.

I can only think of a couple times that we had defective Goodyears *that
we sold* come back in the time that I was working there, one of which I
suspected was run low. There were definitely problems with the tires
that Goodyear sold to the OEMs, like the Wrangler RT/S and other light
duty lines that were probably fine on paved roads but didn't hold up at
all on the Cordova roads. Those lower quality Goodyears definitely made
it harder for us to sell the good stuff to the average customer who had
to be educated on the difference. We sold mostly the higher end,
heavier load range light truck tires and usually whatever their middle
line was for passenger cars. It was definitely more difficult to
compete with the lower cost brands that way, but the people who did buy
a set from us were generally satisfied. We normally didn't see them in
the shop again until it was time to sell them a new set a few years
later. As opposed to the more regular customers with uniroyal/firestone/
whatever who were in more frequently for yet another patch, but those
guys usually figured it out eventually, too.

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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

In <40429C67.DF8BE2F7@cox.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> It didn't use to be that way while it was an American company. I
> know you've adjusted many Goodyears, as I've had many the theirs tread
> separate, just that I took them off when I felt them go out of round,
> before the rolled off like the Firestones that killed the top heave
> Explorer passengers.

I can only think of a couple times that we had defective Goodyears *that
we sold* come back in the time that I was working there, one of which I
suspected was run low. There were definitely problems with the tires
that Goodyear sold to the OEMs, like the Wrangler RT/S and other light
duty lines that were probably fine on paved roads but didn't hold up at
all on the Cordova roads. Those lower quality Goodyears definitely made
it harder for us to sell the good stuff to the average customer who had
to be educated on the difference. We sold mostly the higher end,
heavier load range light truck tires and usually whatever their middle
line was for passenger cars. It was definitely more difficult to
compete with the lower cost brands that way, but the people who did buy
a set from us were generally satisfied. We normally didn't see them in
the shop again until it was time to sell them a new set a few years
later. As opposed to the more regular customers with uniroyal/firestone/
whatever who were in more frequently for yet another patch, but those
guys usually figured it out eventually, too.

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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

In <beb540prgbn2gn3mmfnfb1evp09jcfs6n9@4ax.com> Matt Osborn wrote:
> I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
> air pressure Ford specified.

Ford definitely proliferated the problem by using a POS tire and their
air pressure spec didn't help anything, but it also doesn't change the
fact that the Firestone in question is crap, no matter what vehicle it
is installed on. There is no strength to them whatsoever; they puncture
easily, and there is no built in margin of safety in case they are run
flat/low by the average motorist, who has no clue how much pressure they
are running irrespective of what the little tag in the doorjamb may say.
It is my personal opinion that installing passenger car rated tires (
which the firestones are/were) on a light truck should be a criminal
offense.

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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

In <beb540prgbn2gn3mmfnfb1evp09jcfs6n9@4ax.com> Matt Osborn wrote:
> I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
> air pressure Ford specified.

Ford definitely proliferated the problem by using a POS tire and their
air pressure spec didn't help anything, but it also doesn't change the
fact that the Firestone in question is crap, no matter what vehicle it
is installed on. There is no strength to them whatsoever; they puncture
easily, and there is no built in margin of safety in case they are run
flat/low by the average motorist, who has no clue how much pressure they
are running irrespective of what the little tag in the doorjamb may say.
It is my personal opinion that installing passenger car rated tires (
which the firestones are/were) on a light truck should be a criminal
offense.

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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

In <beb540prgbn2gn3mmfnfb1evp09jcfs6n9@4ax.com> Matt Osborn wrote:
> I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
> air pressure Ford specified.

Ford definitely proliferated the problem by using a POS tire and their
air pressure spec didn't help anything, but it also doesn't change the
fact that the Firestone in question is crap, no matter what vehicle it
is installed on. There is no strength to them whatsoever; they puncture
easily, and there is no built in margin of safety in case they are run
flat/low by the average motorist, who has no clue how much pressure they
are running irrespective of what the little tag in the doorjamb may say.
It is my personal opinion that installing passenger car rated tires (
which the firestones are/were) on a light truck should be a criminal
offense.

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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

Good tire, great value. They are long lasting and I have yet to encounter a
shifted belt even after sitting flat and frozen for a few months.
-Brian

"Monte Castleman" <qmdcastleman@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:84v0c.27330$hm4.12270@newsread3.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
: My stepfather finally decided to junk the Jimmy that his daughter rear
: ended someone with a year ago, and offered me the tires (with about
: 3-4/5th the tread left), so my only cost would be to have them
: remounted.
:
: I currently drive Firestone Wilderness ATs. I don't plan to go nuts
: off-roading, but I do drive through a lot of midwestern weather. Are
: these Coopers any good, or are they worth what I'd pay for them. Would
: being on a non-operation vehicle for a year have hurt them (the truck
: wasn't moved, but they weren't deflated)?
: --
:
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

Good tire, great value. They are long lasting and I have yet to encounter a
shifted belt even after sitting flat and frozen for a few months.
-Brian

"Monte Castleman" <qmdcastleman@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:84v0c.27330$hm4.12270@newsread3.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
: My stepfather finally decided to junk the Jimmy that his daughter rear
: ended someone with a year ago, and offered me the tires (with about
: 3-4/5th the tread left), so my only cost would be to have them
: remounted.
:
: I currently drive Firestone Wilderness ATs. I don't plan to go nuts
: off-roading, but I do drive through a lot of midwestern weather. Are
: these Coopers any good, or are they worth what I'd pay for them. Would
: being on a non-operation vehicle for a year have hurt them (the truck
: wasn't moved, but they weren't deflated)?
: --
:
: Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
: Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
:

Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

Good tire, great value. They are long lasting and I have yet to encounter a
shifted belt even after sitting flat and frozen for a few months.
-Brian

"Monte Castleman" <qmdcastleman@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:84v0c.27330$hm4.12270@newsread3.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
: My stepfather finally decided to junk the Jimmy that his daughter rear
: ended someone with a year ago, and offered me the tires (with about
: 3-4/5th the tread left), so my only cost would be to have them
: remounted.
:
: I currently drive Firestone Wilderness ATs. I don't plan to go nuts
: off-roading, but I do drive through a lot of midwestern weather. Are
: these Coopers any good, or are they worth what I'd pay for them. Would
: being on a non-operation vehicle for a year have hurt them (the truck
: wasn't moved, but they weren't deflated)?
: --
:
: Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
: Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
:

Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

One was like this Wrangler I bought to wear with the tires that
came new with my '78 Bronco: http://www.----------.com/goodyear.jpg
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mailto:--------------------

Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> I can only think of a couple times that we had defective Goodyears *that
> we sold* come back in the time that I was working there, one of which I
> suspected was run low. There were definitely problems with the tires
> that Goodyear sold to the OEMs, like the Wrangler RT/S and other light
> duty lines that were probably fine on paved roads but didn't hold up at
> all on the Cordova roads. Those lower quality Goodyears definitely made
> it harder for us to sell the good stuff to the average customer who had
> to be educated on the difference. We sold mostly the higher end,
> heavier load range light truck tires and usually whatever their middle
> line was for passenger cars. It was definitely more difficult to
> compete with the lower cost brands that way, but the people who did buy
> a set from us were generally satisfied. We normally didn't see them in
> the shop again until it was time to sell them a new set a few years
> later. As opposed to the more regular customers with uniroyal/firestone/
> whatever who were in more frequently for yet another patch, but those
> guys usually figured it out eventually, too.
>
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

One was like this Wrangler I bought to wear with the tires that
came new with my '78 Bronco: http://www.----------.com/goodyear.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> I can only think of a couple times that we had defective Goodyears *that
> we sold* come back in the time that I was working there, one of which I
> suspected was run low. There were definitely problems with the tires
> that Goodyear sold to the OEMs, like the Wrangler RT/S and other light
> duty lines that were probably fine on paved roads but didn't hold up at
> all on the Cordova roads. Those lower quality Goodyears definitely made
> it harder for us to sell the good stuff to the average customer who had
> to be educated on the difference. We sold mostly the higher end,
> heavier load range light truck tires and usually whatever their middle
> line was for passenger cars. It was definitely more difficult to
> compete with the lower cost brands that way, but the people who did buy
> a set from us were generally satisfied. We normally didn't see them in
> the shop again until it was time to sell them a new set a few years
> later. As opposed to the more regular customers with uniroyal/firestone/
> whatever who were in more frequently for yet another patch, but those
> guys usually figured it out eventually, too.
>
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

One was like this Wrangler I bought to wear with the tires that
came new with my '78 Bronco: http://www.----------.com/goodyear.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> I can only think of a couple times that we had defective Goodyears *that
> we sold* come back in the time that I was working there, one of which I
> suspected was run low. There were definitely problems with the tires
> that Goodyear sold to the OEMs, like the Wrangler RT/S and other light
> duty lines that were probably fine on paved roads but didn't hold up at
> all on the Cordova roads. Those lower quality Goodyears definitely made
> it harder for us to sell the good stuff to the average customer who had
> to be educated on the difference. We sold mostly the higher end,
> heavier load range light truck tires and usually whatever their middle
> line was for passenger cars. It was definitely more difficult to
> compete with the lower cost brands that way, but the people who did buy
> a set from us were generally satisfied. We normally didn't see them in
> the shop again until it was time to sell them a new set a few years
> later. As opposed to the more regular customers with uniroyal/firestone/
> whatever who were in more frequently for yet another patch, but those
> guys usually figured it out eventually, too.
>
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

In <4042C648.EC174684@cox.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> One was like this Wrangler I bought to wear with the tires that
> came new with my '78 Bronco: http://www.----------.com/goodyear.jpg

Those were a bit before my time. I've seen a few worn out ones but
that's about it. We sold a lot of Wrangler AT, AT/S, and Workhorse
extra grip after Goodyear started pricing the AT lines out of most
peoples' budgets.

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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

In <4042C648.EC174684@cox.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> One was like this Wrangler I bought to wear with the tires that
> came new with my '78 Bronco: http://www.----------.com/goodyear.jpg

Those were a bit before my time. I've seen a few worn out ones but
that's about it. We sold a lot of Wrangler AT, AT/S, and Workhorse
extra grip after Goodyear started pricing the AT lines out of most
peoples' budgets.

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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

In <4042C648.EC174684@cox.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> One was like this Wrangler I bought to wear with the tires that
> came new with my '78 Bronco: http://www.----------.com/goodyear.jpg

Those were a bit before my time. I've seen a few worn out ones but
that's about it. We sold a lot of Wrangler AT, AT/S, and Workhorse
extra grip after Goodyear started pricing the AT lines out of most
peoples' budgets.

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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

I've never liked Firestone tires. I don't recall the details but back in the
70's there was the Firestone 500, a tire that was popping like water balloons.
As I recall it killed a number of people as well, and was subject to a nation
wide recall. So if Firestone was ever a good company its been more than 25+
years ago.

I'm surprised the Firestone 500 didn't come up in any of the lawsuits. Couldn't
some lawyer use it to show a pattern of manufacturing defective, poorly designed
tires?

The only experience I have with Cooper tires is a set of car tires I had that
were labeled with the Big O brand. Those were an absolute hazard to my life.
More flats than I can remember and a freeway blowout. I've since talked to an
independent tire dealer (when he was replacing the Firestones on my Expedition
at Ford's expense) about Cooper tires and he said they were a good brand. (He
did not sell Cooper or Big O brands) YMMV

Dean


> It didn't use to be that way while it was an American company. I
>know you've adjusted many Goodyears, as I've had many the theirs tread
>separate, just that I took them off when I felt them go out of round,
>before the rolled off like the Firestones that killed the top heave
>Explorer passengers.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Del Rawlins wrote:
>>
>> Anything is likely to be an improvement over those firestones. In 10+
>> years of working in my family's tire shop, that was one of the worst
>> damn pieces of crap I ever saw foisted on the public as being a supposed
>> light truck tire. I never understood the recall where they were
>> treating it as a manufacturing defect in some of them, depending on when
>> produced and in what plant. They were ALL bad! The one good thing I
>> have to say about them is they helped me to sell a lot of Goodyears. 8^)
>>
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

I've never liked Firestone tires. I don't recall the details but back in the
70's there was the Firestone 500, a tire that was popping like water balloons.
As I recall it killed a number of people as well, and was subject to a nation
wide recall. So if Firestone was ever a good company its been more than 25+
years ago.

I'm surprised the Firestone 500 didn't come up in any of the lawsuits. Couldn't
some lawyer use it to show a pattern of manufacturing defective, poorly designed
tires?

The only experience I have with Cooper tires is a set of car tires I had that
were labeled with the Big O brand. Those were an absolute hazard to my life.
More flats than I can remember and a freeway blowout. I've since talked to an
independent tire dealer (when he was replacing the Firestones on my Expedition
at Ford's expense) about Cooper tires and he said they were a good brand. (He
did not sell Cooper or Big O brands) YMMV

Dean


> It didn't use to be that way while it was an American company. I
>know you've adjusted many Goodyears, as I've had many the theirs tread
>separate, just that I took them off when I felt them go out of round,
>before the rolled off like the Firestones that killed the top heave
>Explorer passengers.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Del Rawlins wrote:
>>
>> Anything is likely to be an improvement over those firestones. In 10+
>> years of working in my family's tire shop, that was one of the worst
>> damn pieces of crap I ever saw foisted on the public as being a supposed
>> light truck tire. I never understood the recall where they were
>> treating it as a manufacturing defect in some of them, depending on when
>> produced and in what plant. They were ALL bad! The one good thing I
>> have to say about them is they helped me to sell a lot of Goodyears. 8^)
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
 

I've never liked Firestone tires. I don't recall the details but back in the
70's there was the Firestone 500, a tire that was popping like water balloons.
As I recall it killed a number of people as well, and was subject to a nation
wide recall. So if Firestone was ever a good company its been more than 25+
years ago.

I'm surprised the Firestone 500 didn't come up in any of the lawsuits. Couldn't
some lawyer use it to show a pattern of manufacturing defective, poorly designed
tires?

The only experience I have with Cooper tires is a set of car tires I had that
were labeled with the Big O brand. Those were an absolute hazard to my life.
More flats than I can remember and a freeway blowout. I've since talked to an
independent tire dealer (when he was replacing the Firestones on my Expedition
at Ford's expense) about Cooper tires and he said they were a good brand. (He
did not sell Cooper or Big O brands) YMMV

Dean


> It didn't use to be that way while it was an American company. I
>know you've adjusted many Goodyears, as I've had many the theirs tread
>separate, just that I took them off when I felt them go out of round,
>before the rolled off like the Firestones that killed the top heave
>Explorer passengers.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Del Rawlins wrote:
>>
>> Anything is likely to be an improvement over those firestones. In 10+
>> years of working in my family's tire shop, that was one of the worst
>> damn pieces of crap I ever saw foisted on the public as being a supposed
>> light truck tire. I never understood the recall where they were
>> treating it as a manufacturing defect in some of them, depending on when
>> produced and in what plant. They were ALL bad! The one good thing I
>> have to say about them is they helped me to sell a lot of Goodyears. 8^)
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------
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