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"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:j6KdnQjMB-baVOXYnZ2dnUVZ_h2onZ2d@softcom.net...
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
>> with
>> all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
>> stuff,
>> or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
>> coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
>> stuff,
>> but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
>> "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
>> couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>
> You can use Dex-Cool or the Prestone Original in the Surburban with no
> problems. GM has used Dex for a long time now, and it's OEM spec.
>
> Ford and Chrysler can't use Dex because 2-EHA is a plasticizer that
> softens their gasket material and radiator seals, eventually causing leaks
> and failure.
>
> I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're
> interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I don't
> know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive.

billy ray

DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with IAT
Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new coolant
has better corrosion protection.

If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex Original
brand in the white jug.

I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the factory
with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects.....


"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM warranty
> requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think that
> I
> will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the
> coolant
> specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says in
> the
> owner's manual, żno?
>
> It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the manufacturers
> decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( Even
> the
> Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
> propietary formula too.
>
> Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in Walmart is
> the same as Dexcool.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
>> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot meet
>> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a
>> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
>> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT
>> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid
>> technology
>> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
> Consequently,
>> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
>> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
>> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
> coolants
>> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant may
> not
>> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
> recommendation
>> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer....
>>
>>
> http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
>>
>> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), and
>> HOAT (G-05)
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
>> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
>> >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
> hexanoate,
>> > and
>> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
>> > "-oate"
>> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can
>> >> > tell
>> > you,
>> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made
>> >> > for
>> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in
> the
>> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was
>> >> > writing
>> > down
>> >> > the ingredients.
>> >> >
>> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>> >>
>> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>> >>
>> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
>> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
>> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>> >>
>> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
>> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
>> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
>> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>> >>
>> >
>> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
> with
>> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
> stuff,
>> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing
> the
>> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
>> > stuff,
>> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except
>> > for
>> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and
>> > a
>> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

billy ray

DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with IAT
Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new coolant
has better corrosion protection.

If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex Original
brand in the white jug.

I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the factory
with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects.....


"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM warranty
> requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think that
> I
> will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the
> coolant
> specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says in
> the
> owner's manual, żno?
>
> It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the manufacturers
> decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( Even
> the
> Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
> propietary formula too.
>
> Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in Walmart is
> the same as Dexcool.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
>> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot meet
>> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a
>> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
>> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT
>> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid
>> technology
>> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
> Consequently,
>> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
>> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
>> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
> coolants
>> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant may
> not
>> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
> recommendation
>> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer....
>>
>>
> http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
>>
>> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), and
>> HOAT (G-05)
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
>> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
>> >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
> hexanoate,
>> > and
>> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
>> > "-oate"
>> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can
>> >> > tell
>> > you,
>> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made
>> >> > for
>> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in
> the
>> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was
>> >> > writing
>> > down
>> >> > the ingredients.
>> >> >
>> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>> >>
>> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>> >>
>> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
>> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
>> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>> >>
>> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
>> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
>> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
>> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>> >>
>> >
>> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
> with
>> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
> stuff,
>> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing
> the
>> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
>> > stuff,
>> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except
>> > for
>> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and
>> > a
>> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

billy ray

DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with IAT
Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new coolant
has better corrosion protection.

If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex Original
brand in the white jug.

I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the factory
with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects.....


"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM warranty
> requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think that
> I
> will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the
> coolant
> specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says in
> the
> owner's manual, żno?
>
> It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the manufacturers
> decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( Even
> the
> Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
> propietary formula too.
>
> Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in Walmart is
> the same as Dexcool.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
>> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot meet
>> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a
>> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
>> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT
>> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid
>> technology
>> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
> Consequently,
>> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
>> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
>> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
> coolants
>> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant may
> not
>> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
> recommendation
>> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer....
>>
>>
> http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
>>
>> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), and
>> HOAT (G-05)
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
>> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
>> >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
> hexanoate,
>> > and
>> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
>> > "-oate"
>> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can
>> >> > tell
>> > you,
>> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made
>> >> > for
>> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in
> the
>> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was
>> >> > writing
>> > down
>> >> > the ingredients.
>> >> >
>> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
>> >>
>> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
>> >>
>> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
>> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
>> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
>> >>
>> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
>> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
>> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
>> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
>> >>
>> >
>> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
> with
>> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
> stuff,
>> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing
> the
>> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
>> > stuff,
>> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except
>> > for
>> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and
>> > a
>> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Carl

Me too, please. Carlsaiyed at hotmail dot com.

Carl

"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:j6KdnQjMB-baVOXYnZ2dnUVZ_h2onZ2d@softcom.net...
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
>> with
>> all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
>> stuff,
>> or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
>> coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
>> stuff,
>> but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
>> "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
>> couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>
> You can use Dex-Cool or the Prestone Original in the Surburban with no
> problems. GM has used Dex for a long time now, and it's OEM spec.
>
> Ford and Chrysler can't use Dex because 2-EHA is a plasticizer that
> softens their gasket material and radiator seals, eventually causing leaks
> and failure.
>
> I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're
> interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I don't
> know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive.

Carl

Me too, please. Carlsaiyed at hotmail dot com.

Carl

"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:j6KdnQjMB-baVOXYnZ2dnUVZ_h2onZ2d@softcom.net...
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
>> with
>> all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
>> stuff,
>> or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
>> coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
>> stuff,
>> but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
>> "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
>> couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>
> You can use Dex-Cool or the Prestone Original in the Surburban with no
> problems. GM has used Dex for a long time now, and it's OEM spec.
>
> Ford and Chrysler can't use Dex because 2-EHA is a plasticizer that
> softens their gasket material and radiator seals, eventually causing leaks
> and failure.
>
> I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're
> interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I don't
> know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive.

Carl

Me too, please. Carlsaiyed at hotmail dot com.

Carl

"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:j6KdnQjMB-baVOXYnZ2dnUVZ_h2onZ2d@softcom.net...
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
>> with
>> all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
>> stuff,
>> or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
>> coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
>> stuff,
>> but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
>> "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
>> couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>
> You can use Dex-Cool or the Prestone Original in the Surburban with no
> problems. GM has used Dex for a long time now, and it's OEM spec.
>
> Ford and Chrysler can't use Dex because 2-EHA is a plasticizer that
> softens their gasket material and radiator seals, eventually causing leaks
> and failure.
>
> I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're
> interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I don't
> know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive.

Earle Horton

Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT?
Cool.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET...
> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with
IAT
> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new
coolant
> has better corrosion protection.
>
> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex
Original
> brand in the white jug.
>
> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the factory
> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects.....
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM
warranty
> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think
that
> > I
> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the
> > coolant
> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says in
> > the
> > owner's manual, żno?
> >
> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the
manufacturers
> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( Even
> > the
> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
> > propietary formula too.
> >
> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in Walmart
is
> > the same as Dexcool.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot
meet
> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a
> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT
> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid
> >> technology
> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
> > Consequently,
> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
> > coolants
> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant
may
> > not
> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
> > recommendation
> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer....
> >>
> >>
> >
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
> >>
> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool),
and
> >> HOAT (G-05)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
> >> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
> > hexanoate,
> >> > and
> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry
that
> >> > "-oate"
> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can
> >> >> > tell
> >> > you,
> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH,
made
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price
in
> > the
> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was
> >> >> > writing
> >> > down
> >> >> > the ingredients.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
> >> >>
> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
> >> >>
> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you
put
> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled
3-yr.
> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
> > with
> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
> > stuff,
> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing
> > the
> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
> >> > stuff,
> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except
> >> > for
> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff
and
> >> > a
> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks.
> >> >
> >> > Earle
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT?
Cool.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET...
> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with
IAT
> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new
coolant
> has better corrosion protection.
>
> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex
Original
> brand in the white jug.
>
> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the factory
> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects.....
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM
warranty
> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think
that
> > I
> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the
> > coolant
> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says in
> > the
> > owner's manual, żno?
> >
> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the
manufacturers
> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( Even
> > the
> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
> > propietary formula too.
> >
> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in Walmart
is
> > the same as Dexcool.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot
meet
> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a
> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT
> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid
> >> technology
> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
> > Consequently,
> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
> > coolants
> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant
may
> > not
> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
> > recommendation
> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer....
> >>
> >>
> >
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
> >>
> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool),
and
> >> HOAT (G-05)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
> >> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
> > hexanoate,
> >> > and
> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry
that
> >> > "-oate"
> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can
> >> >> > tell
> >> > you,
> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH,
made
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price
in
> > the
> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was
> >> >> > writing
> >> > down
> >> >> > the ingredients.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
> >> >>
> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
> >> >>
> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you
put
> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled
3-yr.
> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
> > with
> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
> > stuff,
> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing
> > the
> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
> >> > stuff,
> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except
> >> > for
> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff
and
> >> > a
> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks.
> >> >
> >> > Earle
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT?
Cool.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET...
> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with
IAT
> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new
coolant
> has better corrosion protection.
>
> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex
Original
> brand in the white jug.
>
> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the factory
> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects.....
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM
warranty
> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think
that
> > I
> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the
> > coolant
> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says in
> > the
> > owner's manual, żno?
> >
> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the
manufacturers
> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( Even
> > the
> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
> > propietary formula too.
> >
> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in Walmart
is
> > the same as Dexcool.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot
meet
> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a
> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT
> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid
> >> technology
> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
> > Consequently,
> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
> > coolants
> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant
may
> > not
> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
> > recommendation
> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer....
> >>
> >>
> >
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
> >>
> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool),
and
> >> HOAT (G-05)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
> >> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
> > hexanoate,
> >> > and
> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry
that
> >> > "-oate"
> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can
> >> >> > tell
> >> > you,
> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH,
made
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price
in
> > the
> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was
> >> >> > writing
> >> > down
> >> >> > the ingredients.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
> >> >>
> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
> >> >>
> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you
put
> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled
3-yr.
> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
> > with
> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
> > stuff,
> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing
> > the
> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
> >> > stuff,
> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except
> >> > for
> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff
and
> >> > a
> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks.
> >> >
> >> > Earle
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>