Coolant suprise
12-11-2006, 10:36 PM
#191
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Re: What do you do with your old coolant? (was: Coolant suprise)
I put it in a 55 gallon drum I have in the basement, and save it for topping
up the hydronic heating system in my house. I have about 100 gallons of
50/50 mix in the heating system, which uses old style cast iron radiators,
some of them pretty big. I live where it can get to 40º below zero at
night, and sometimes I have to leave the house for extended periods in the
winter, so I cannot afford to drain the system as other people do, or to
have it freeze up as the previous owners did. Once you let pipes freeze
with water in them, they get bigger and it is a bear to thread them into new
fittings.
The previous owners, and most people who have these types of systems, put
raw water in them. It turns black with time, but the corrosion isn't too
bad, if you don't drain the system that often. Copper and even iron are
relatively forgiving, as long as fresh oxygen never gets into the system.
With the antifreeze I filled it with, I figure corrosion is just about
halted. The coolant only comes into contact with black iron, brass and
copper, so there isn't nearly the corrosion danger that there is in a modern
automotive engine.
If you turn your antifreeze in to a legitimate recycling center, they purify
the glycol, probably by distillation, put some more corrosion inhibitors in
it, and resell it to you, or more likely to fleet buyers of recycled
antifreeze.
Earle
"Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message
news:yrifh.9269$1s6.4975@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the
> old stuff?
> Tomes
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET...
> > If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM
and
> > Jeep.
> >
> > The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the
5
> > year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying
4
> > years so maybe....
> >
> > I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I
would
> > rather be safe than sorry.
> >
> > Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than
> > the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC
> > discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it
> > sounds like a good investment.
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> > news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than
IAT?
> >> Cool.
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET...
> >>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory
with
> >> IAT
> >>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new
> >> coolant
> >>> has better corrosion protection.
> >>>
> >>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex
> >> Original
> >>> brand in the white jug.
> >>>
> >>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the
> >>> factory
> >>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects.....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM
> >> warranty
> >>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think
> >> that
> >>> > I
> >>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the
> >>> > coolant
> >>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it
says
> >>> > in
> >>> > the
> >>> > owner's manual, ¿no?
> >>> >
> >>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the
> >> manufacturers
> >>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o(
> >>> > Even
> >>> > the
> >>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
> >>> > propietary formula too.
> >>> >
> >>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in
> >>> > Walmart
> >> is
> >>> > the same as Dexcool.
> >>> >
> >>> > Earle
> >>> >
> >>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
> >>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula
cannot
> >> meet
> >>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants.
If
> >>> >> a
> >>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
> >>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM
> >>> >> HOAT
> >>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid
> >>> >> technology
> >>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
> >>> > Consequently,
> >>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a
universal
> >>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
> >>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
> >>> > coolants
> >>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the
coolant
> >> may
> >>> > not
> >>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
> >>> > recommendation
> >>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle
> >>> >> manufacturer....
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
> >>> >>
> >>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT
(DexCool),
> >> and
> >>> >> HOAT (G-05)
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> >>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
> >>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
> >>> > hexanoate,
> >>> >> > and
> >>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic
chemistry
> >> that
> >>> >> > "-oate"
> >>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon
can
> >>> >> >> > tell
> >>> >> > you,
> >>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super
TECH,
> >> made
> >>> >> >> > for
> >>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest
price
> >> in
> >>> > the
> >>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was
> >>> >> >> > writing
> >>> >> > down
> >>> >> >> > the ingredients.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the
OAT
> >>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the
> >>> >> >> ever-popular
> >>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in
the
> >>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If
you
> >> put
> >>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled
> >> 3-yr.
> >>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and
> >>> >> > "compatible
> >>> > with
> >>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the
Zerex
> >>> > stuff,
> >>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of
> >>> >> > changing
> >>> > the
> >>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the
> >>> >> > green
> >>> >> > stuff,
> >>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze,
> >>> >> > except
> >>> >> > for
> >>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green
stuff
> >> and
> >>> >> > a
> >>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Thanks.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Earle
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
--
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up the hydronic heating system in my house. I have about 100 gallons of
50/50 mix in the heating system, which uses old style cast iron radiators,
some of them pretty big. I live where it can get to 40º below zero at
night, and sometimes I have to leave the house for extended periods in the
winter, so I cannot afford to drain the system as other people do, or to
have it freeze up as the previous owners did. Once you let pipes freeze
with water in them, they get bigger and it is a bear to thread them into new
fittings.
The previous owners, and most people who have these types of systems, put
raw water in them. It turns black with time, but the corrosion isn't too
bad, if you don't drain the system that often. Copper and even iron are
relatively forgiving, as long as fresh oxygen never gets into the system.
With the antifreeze I filled it with, I figure corrosion is just about
halted. The coolant only comes into contact with black iron, brass and
copper, so there isn't nearly the corrosion danger that there is in a modern
automotive engine.
If you turn your antifreeze in to a legitimate recycling center, they purify
the glycol, probably by distillation, put some more corrosion inhibitors in
it, and resell it to you, or more likely to fleet buyers of recycled
antifreeze.
Earle
"Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message
news:yrifh.9269$1s6.4975@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the
> old stuff?
> Tomes
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET...
> > If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM
and
> > Jeep.
> >
> > The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the
5
> > year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying
4
> > years so maybe....
> >
> > I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I
would
> > rather be safe than sorry.
> >
> > Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than
> > the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC
> > discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it
> > sounds like a good investment.
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> > news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than
IAT?
> >> Cool.
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET...
> >>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory
with
> >> IAT
> >>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new
> >> coolant
> >>> has better corrosion protection.
> >>>
> >>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex
> >> Original
> >>> brand in the white jug.
> >>>
> >>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the
> >>> factory
> >>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects.....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM
> >> warranty
> >>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think
> >> that
> >>> > I
> >>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the
> >>> > coolant
> >>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it
says
> >>> > in
> >>> > the
> >>> > owner's manual, ¿no?
> >>> >
> >>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the
> >> manufacturers
> >>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o(
> >>> > Even
> >>> > the
> >>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
> >>> > propietary formula too.
> >>> >
> >>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in
> >>> > Walmart
> >> is
> >>> > the same as Dexcool.
> >>> >
> >>> > Earle
> >>> >
> >>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
> >>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula
cannot
> >> meet
> >>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants.
If
> >>> >> a
> >>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
> >>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM
> >>> >> HOAT
> >>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid
> >>> >> technology
> >>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
> >>> > Consequently,
> >>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a
universal
> >>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
> >>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
> >>> > coolants
> >>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the
coolant
> >> may
> >>> > not
> >>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
> >>> > recommendation
> >>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle
> >>> >> manufacturer....
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
> >>> >>
> >>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT
(DexCool),
> >> and
> >>> >> HOAT (G-05)
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> >>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
> >>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
> >>> > hexanoate,
> >>> >> > and
> >>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic
chemistry
> >> that
> >>> >> > "-oate"
> >>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon
can
> >>> >> >> > tell
> >>> >> > you,
> >>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super
TECH,
> >> made
> >>> >> >> > for
> >>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest
price
> >> in
> >>> > the
> >>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was
> >>> >> >> > writing
> >>> >> > down
> >>> >> >> > the ingredients.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the
OAT
> >>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the
> >>> >> >> ever-popular
> >>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in
the
> >>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If
you
> >> put
> >>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled
> >> 3-yr.
> >>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and
> >>> >> > "compatible
> >>> > with
> >>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the
Zerex
> >>> > stuff,
> >>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of
> >>> >> > changing
> >>> > the
> >>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the
> >>> >> > green
> >>> >> > stuff,
> >>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze,
> >>> >> > except
> >>> >> > for
> >>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green
stuff
> >> and
> >>> >> > a
> >>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Thanks.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Earle
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
12-11-2006, 10:36 PM
#192
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: What do you do with your old coolant? (was: Coolant suprise)
I put it in a 55 gallon drum I have in the basement, and save it for topping
up the hydronic heating system in my house. I have about 100 gallons of
50/50 mix in the heating system, which uses old style cast iron radiators,
some of them pretty big. I live where it can get to 40º below zero at
night, and sometimes I have to leave the house for extended periods in the
winter, so I cannot afford to drain the system as other people do, or to
have it freeze up as the previous owners did. Once you let pipes freeze
with water in them, they get bigger and it is a bear to thread them into new
fittings.
The previous owners, and most people who have these types of systems, put
raw water in them. It turns black with time, but the corrosion isn't too
bad, if you don't drain the system that often. Copper and even iron are
relatively forgiving, as long as fresh oxygen never gets into the system.
With the antifreeze I filled it with, I figure corrosion is just about
halted. The coolant only comes into contact with black iron, brass and
copper, so there isn't nearly the corrosion danger that there is in a modern
automotive engine.
If you turn your antifreeze in to a legitimate recycling center, they purify
the glycol, probably by distillation, put some more corrosion inhibitors in
it, and resell it to you, or more likely to fleet buyers of recycled
antifreeze.
Earle
"Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message
news:yrifh.9269$1s6.4975@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the
> old stuff?
> Tomes
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET...
> > If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM
and
> > Jeep.
> >
> > The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the
5
> > year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying
4
> > years so maybe....
> >
> > I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I
would
> > rather be safe than sorry.
> >
> > Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than
> > the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC
> > discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it
> > sounds like a good investment.
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> > news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than
IAT?
> >> Cool.
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET...
> >>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory
with
> >> IAT
> >>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new
> >> coolant
> >>> has better corrosion protection.
> >>>
> >>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex
> >> Original
> >>> brand in the white jug.
> >>>
> >>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the
> >>> factory
> >>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects.....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM
> >> warranty
> >>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think
> >> that
> >>> > I
> >>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the
> >>> > coolant
> >>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it
says
> >>> > in
> >>> > the
> >>> > owner's manual, ¿no?
> >>> >
> >>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the
> >> manufacturers
> >>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o(
> >>> > Even
> >>> > the
> >>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
> >>> > propietary formula too.
> >>> >
> >>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in
> >>> > Walmart
> >> is
> >>> > the same as Dexcool.
> >>> >
> >>> > Earle
> >>> >
> >>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
> >>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula
cannot
> >> meet
> >>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants.
If
> >>> >> a
> >>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
> >>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM
> >>> >> HOAT
> >>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid
> >>> >> technology
> >>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
> >>> > Consequently,
> >>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a
universal
> >>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
> >>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
> >>> > coolants
> >>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the
coolant
> >> may
> >>> > not
> >>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
> >>> > recommendation
> >>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle
> >>> >> manufacturer....
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
> >>> >>
> >>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT
(DexCool),
> >> and
> >>> >> HOAT (G-05)
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> >>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
> >>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
> >>> > hexanoate,
> >>> >> > and
> >>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic
chemistry
> >> that
> >>> >> > "-oate"
> >>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon
can
> >>> >> >> > tell
> >>> >> > you,
> >>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super
TECH,
> >> made
> >>> >> >> > for
> >>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest
price
> >> in
> >>> > the
> >>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was
> >>> >> >> > writing
> >>> >> > down
> >>> >> >> > the ingredients.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the
OAT
> >>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the
> >>> >> >> ever-popular
> >>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in
the
> >>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If
you
> >> put
> >>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled
> >> 3-yr.
> >>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and
> >>> >> > "compatible
> >>> > with
> >>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the
Zerex
> >>> > stuff,
> >>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of
> >>> >> > changing
> >>> > the
> >>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the
> >>> >> > green
> >>> >> > stuff,
> >>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze,
> >>> >> > except
> >>> >> > for
> >>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green
stuff
> >> and
> >>> >> > a
> >>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Thanks.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Earle
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
up the hydronic heating system in my house. I have about 100 gallons of
50/50 mix in the heating system, which uses old style cast iron radiators,
some of them pretty big. I live where it can get to 40º below zero at
night, and sometimes I have to leave the house for extended periods in the
winter, so I cannot afford to drain the system as other people do, or to
have it freeze up as the previous owners did. Once you let pipes freeze
with water in them, they get bigger and it is a bear to thread them into new
fittings.
The previous owners, and most people who have these types of systems, put
raw water in them. It turns black with time, but the corrosion isn't too
bad, if you don't drain the system that often. Copper and even iron are
relatively forgiving, as long as fresh oxygen never gets into the system.
With the antifreeze I filled it with, I figure corrosion is just about
halted. The coolant only comes into contact with black iron, brass and
copper, so there isn't nearly the corrosion danger that there is in a modern
automotive engine.
If you turn your antifreeze in to a legitimate recycling center, they purify
the glycol, probably by distillation, put some more corrosion inhibitors in
it, and resell it to you, or more likely to fleet buyers of recycled
antifreeze.
Earle
"Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message
news:yrifh.9269$1s6.4975@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the
> old stuff?
> Tomes
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET...
> > If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM
and
> > Jeep.
> >
> > The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the
5
> > year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying
4
> > years so maybe....
> >
> > I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I
would
> > rather be safe than sorry.
> >
> > Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than
> > the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC
> > discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it
> > sounds like a good investment.
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> > news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than
IAT?
> >> Cool.
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET...
> >>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory
with
> >> IAT
> >>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new
> >> coolant
> >>> has better corrosion protection.
> >>>
> >>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex
> >> Original
> >>> brand in the white jug.
> >>>
> >>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the
> >>> factory
> >>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects.....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM
> >> warranty
> >>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think
> >> that
> >>> > I
> >>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the
> >>> > coolant
> >>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it
says
> >>> > in
> >>> > the
> >>> > owner's manual, ¿no?
> >>> >
> >>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the
> >> manufacturers
> >>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o(
> >>> > Even
> >>> > the
> >>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
> >>> > propietary formula too.
> >>> >
> >>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in
> >>> > Walmart
> >> is
> >>> > the same as Dexcool.
> >>> >
> >>> > Earle
> >>> >
> >>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
> >>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula
cannot
> >> meet
> >>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants.
If
> >>> >> a
> >>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
> >>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM
> >>> >> HOAT
> >>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid
> >>> >> technology
> >>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
> >>> > Consequently,
> >>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a
universal
> >>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
> >>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
> >>> > coolants
> >>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the
coolant
> >> may
> >>> > not
> >>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
> >>> > recommendation
> >>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle
> >>> >> manufacturer....
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
> >>> >>
> >>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT
(DexCool),
> >> and
> >>> >> HOAT (G-05)
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> >>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
> >>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
> >>> > hexanoate,
> >>> >> > and
> >>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic
chemistry
> >> that
> >>> >> > "-oate"
> >>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon
can
> >>> >> >> > tell
> >>> >> > you,
> >>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super
TECH,
> >> made
> >>> >> >> > for
> >>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest
price
> >> in
> >>> > the
> >>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was
> >>> >> >> > writing
> >>> >> > down
> >>> >> >> > the ingredients.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the
OAT
> >>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the
> >>> >> >> ever-popular
> >>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in
the
> >>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If
you
> >> put
> >>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled
> >> 3-yr.
> >>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and
> >>> >> > "compatible
> >>> > with
> >>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the
Zerex
> >>> > stuff,
> >>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of
> >>> >> > changing
> >>> > the
> >>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the
> >>> >> > green
> >>> >> > stuff,
> >>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze,
> >>> >> > except
> >>> >> > for
> >>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green
stuff
> >> and
> >>> >> > a
> >>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Thanks.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Earle
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
--
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12-11-2006, 10:36 PM
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Re: What do you do with your old coolant? (was: Coolant suprise)
I put it in a 55 gallon drum I have in the basement, and save it for topping
up the hydronic heating system in my house. I have about 100 gallons of
50/50 mix in the heating system, which uses old style cast iron radiators,
some of them pretty big. I live where it can get to 40º below zero at
night, and sometimes I have to leave the house for extended periods in the
winter, so I cannot afford to drain the system as other people do, or to
have it freeze up as the previous owners did. Once you let pipes freeze
with water in them, they get bigger and it is a bear to thread them into new
fittings.
The previous owners, and most people who have these types of systems, put
raw water in them. It turns black with time, but the corrosion isn't too
bad, if you don't drain the system that often. Copper and even iron are
relatively forgiving, as long as fresh oxygen never gets into the system.
With the antifreeze I filled it with, I figure corrosion is just about
halted. The coolant only comes into contact with black iron, brass and
copper, so there isn't nearly the corrosion danger that there is in a modern
automotive engine.
If you turn your antifreeze in to a legitimate recycling center, they purify
the glycol, probably by distillation, put some more corrosion inhibitors in
it, and resell it to you, or more likely to fleet buyers of recycled
antifreeze.
Earle
"Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message
news:yrifh.9269$1s6.4975@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the
> old stuff?
> Tomes
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET...
> > If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM
and
> > Jeep.
> >
> > The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the
5
> > year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying
4
> > years so maybe....
> >
> > I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I
would
> > rather be safe than sorry.
> >
> > Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than
> > the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC
> > discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it
> > sounds like a good investment.
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> > news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than
IAT?
> >> Cool.
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET...
> >>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory
with
> >> IAT
> >>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new
> >> coolant
> >>> has better corrosion protection.
> >>>
> >>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex
> >> Original
> >>> brand in the white jug.
> >>>
> >>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the
> >>> factory
> >>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects.....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM
> >> warranty
> >>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think
> >> that
> >>> > I
> >>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the
> >>> > coolant
> >>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it
says
> >>> > in
> >>> > the
> >>> > owner's manual, ¿no?
> >>> >
> >>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the
> >> manufacturers
> >>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o(
> >>> > Even
> >>> > the
> >>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
> >>> > propietary formula too.
> >>> >
> >>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in
> >>> > Walmart
> >> is
> >>> > the same as Dexcool.
> >>> >
> >>> > Earle
> >>> >
> >>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
> >>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula
cannot
> >> meet
> >>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants.
If
> >>> >> a
> >>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
> >>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM
> >>> >> HOAT
> >>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid
> >>> >> technology
> >>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
> >>> > Consequently,
> >>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a
universal
> >>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
> >>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
> >>> > coolants
> >>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the
coolant
> >> may
> >>> > not
> >>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
> >>> > recommendation
> >>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle
> >>> >> manufacturer....
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
> >>> >>
> >>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT
(DexCool),
> >> and
> >>> >> HOAT (G-05)
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> >>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
> >>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
> >>> > hexanoate,
> >>> >> > and
> >>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic
chemistry
> >> that
> >>> >> > "-oate"
> >>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon
can
> >>> >> >> > tell
> >>> >> > you,
> >>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super
TECH,
> >> made
> >>> >> >> > for
> >>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest
price
> >> in
> >>> > the
> >>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was
> >>> >> >> > writing
> >>> >> > down
> >>> >> >> > the ingredients.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the
OAT
> >>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the
> >>> >> >> ever-popular
> >>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in
the
> >>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If
you
> >> put
> >>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled
> >> 3-yr.
> >>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and
> >>> >> > "compatible
> >>> > with
> >>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the
Zerex
> >>> > stuff,
> >>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of
> >>> >> > changing
> >>> > the
> >>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the
> >>> >> > green
> >>> >> > stuff,
> >>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze,
> >>> >> > except
> >>> >> > for
> >>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green
stuff
> >> and
> >>> >> > a
> >>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Thanks.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Earle
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
up the hydronic heating system in my house. I have about 100 gallons of
50/50 mix in the heating system, which uses old style cast iron radiators,
some of them pretty big. I live where it can get to 40º below zero at
night, and sometimes I have to leave the house for extended periods in the
winter, so I cannot afford to drain the system as other people do, or to
have it freeze up as the previous owners did. Once you let pipes freeze
with water in them, they get bigger and it is a bear to thread them into new
fittings.
The previous owners, and most people who have these types of systems, put
raw water in them. It turns black with time, but the corrosion isn't too
bad, if you don't drain the system that often. Copper and even iron are
relatively forgiving, as long as fresh oxygen never gets into the system.
With the antifreeze I filled it with, I figure corrosion is just about
halted. The coolant only comes into contact with black iron, brass and
copper, so there isn't nearly the corrosion danger that there is in a modern
automotive engine.
If you turn your antifreeze in to a legitimate recycling center, they purify
the glycol, probably by distillation, put some more corrosion inhibitors in
it, and resell it to you, or more likely to fleet buyers of recycled
antifreeze.
Earle
"Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message
news:yrifh.9269$1s6.4975@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the
> old stuff?
> Tomes
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET...
> > If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM
and
> > Jeep.
> >
> > The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the
5
> > year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying
4
> > years so maybe....
> >
> > I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I
would
> > rather be safe than sorry.
> >
> > Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than
> > the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC
> > discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it
> > sounds like a good investment.
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> > news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than
IAT?
> >> Cool.
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET...
> >>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory
with
> >> IAT
> >>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new
> >> coolant
> >>> has better corrosion protection.
> >>>
> >>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex
> >> Original
> >>> brand in the white jug.
> >>>
> >>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the
> >>> factory
> >>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects.....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM
> >> warranty
> >>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think
> >> that
> >>> > I
> >>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the
> >>> > coolant
> >>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it
says
> >>> > in
> >>> > the
> >>> > owner's manual, ¿no?
> >>> >
> >>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the
> >> manufacturers
> >>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o(
> >>> > Even
> >>> > the
> >>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
> >>> > propietary formula too.
> >>> >
> >>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in
> >>> > Walmart
> >> is
> >>> > the same as Dexcool.
> >>> >
> >>> > Earle
> >>> >
> >>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
> >>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula
cannot
> >> meet
> >>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants.
If
> >>> >> a
> >>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
> >>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM
> >>> >> HOAT
> >>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid
> >>> >> technology
> >>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
> >>> > Consequently,
> >>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a
universal
> >>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
> >>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
> >>> > coolants
> >>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the
coolant
> >> may
> >>> > not
> >>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
> >>> > recommendation
> >>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle
> >>> >> manufacturer....
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
> >>> >>
> >>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT
(DexCool),
> >> and
> >>> >> HOAT (G-05)
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> >>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
> >>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
> >>> > hexanoate,
> >>> >> > and
> >>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic
chemistry
> >> that
> >>> >> > "-oate"
> >>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon
can
> >>> >> >> > tell
> >>> >> > you,
> >>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super
TECH,
> >> made
> >>> >> >> > for
> >>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest
price
> >> in
> >>> > the
> >>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was
> >>> >> >> > writing
> >>> >> > down
> >>> >> >> > the ingredients.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the
OAT
> >>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the
> >>> >> >> ever-popular
> >>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in
the
> >>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If
you
> >> put
> >>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled
> >> 3-yr.
> >>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and
> >>> >> > "compatible
> >>> > with
> >>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the
Zerex
> >>> > stuff,
> >>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of
> >>> >> > changing
> >>> > the
> >>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the
> >>> >> > green
> >>> >> > stuff,
> >>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze,
> >>> >> > except
> >>> >> > for
> >>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green
stuff
> >> and
> >>> >> > a
> >>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Thanks.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Earle
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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