Coolant suprise
12-07-2006, 09:39 AM
#111
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Posts: n/a
Re: Coolant suprise
This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM warranty
requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think that I
will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the coolant
specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says in the
owner's manual, żno?
It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the manufacturers
decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( Even the
Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
propietary formula too.
Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in Walmart is
the same as Dexcool.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot meet
> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a
> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT
> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid technology
> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
Consequently,
> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
coolants
> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant may
not
> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
recommendation
> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer....
>
>
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
>
> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), and
> HOAT (G-05)
>
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
hexanoate,
> > and
> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
> > "-oate"
> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell
> > you,
> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made
> >> > for
> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in
the
> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing
> > down
> >> > the ingredients.
> >> >
> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
> >>
> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
> >>
> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
> >>
> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
> >>
> >
> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
with
> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
stuff,
> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing
the
> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
> > stuff,
> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
>
>
requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think that I
will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the coolant
specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says in the
owner's manual, żno?
It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the manufacturers
decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( Even the
Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
propietary formula too.
Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in Walmart is
the same as Dexcool.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot meet
> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a
> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT
> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid technology
> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
Consequently,
> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
coolants
> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant may
not
> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
recommendation
> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer....
>
>
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
>
> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), and
> HOAT (G-05)
>
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
hexanoate,
> > and
> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
> > "-oate"
> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell
> > you,
> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made
> >> > for
> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in
the
> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing
> > down
> >> > the ingredients.
> >> >
> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
> >>
> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
> >>
> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
> >>
> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
> >>
> >
> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
with
> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
stuff,
> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing
the
> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
> > stuff,
> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
>
>
12-07-2006, 09:39 AM
#112
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Coolant suprise
This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM warranty
requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think that I
will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the coolant
specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says in the
owner's manual, żno?
It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the manufacturers
decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( Even the
Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
propietary formula too.
Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in Walmart is
the same as Dexcool.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot meet
> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a
> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT
> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid technology
> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
Consequently,
> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
coolants
> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant may
not
> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
recommendation
> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer....
>
>
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
>
> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), and
> HOAT (G-05)
>
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
hexanoate,
> > and
> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
> > "-oate"
> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell
> > you,
> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made
> >> > for
> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in
the
> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing
> > down
> >> > the ingredients.
> >> >
> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
> >>
> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
> >>
> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
> >>
> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
> >>
> >
> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
with
> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
stuff,
> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing
the
> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
> > stuff,
> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
>
>
requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think that I
will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the coolant
specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says in the
owner's manual, żno?
It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the manufacturers
decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( Even the
Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a
propietary formula too.
Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in Walmart is
the same as Dexcool.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET...
> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot meet
> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a
> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT
> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT
> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid technology
> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications.
Consequently,
> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal
> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM
> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different
coolants
> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant may
not
> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest
recommendation
> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer....
>
>
http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5
>
> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), and
> HOAT (G-05)
>
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net...
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl
hexanoate,
> > and
> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that
> > "-oate"
> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell
> > you,
> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made
> >> > for
> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in
the
> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing
> > down
> >> > the ingredients.
> >> >
> >> > No mention of mule **** or sweat shops on the container. ;^)
> >>
> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all.
> >>
> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT
> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular
> >> absence of silicates and phosphates.
> >>
> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the
> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put
> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr.
> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system.
> >>
> >
> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
with
> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
stuff,
> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing
the
> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
> > stuff,
> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
>
>
12-07-2006, 09:06 PM
#113
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Re: Coolant suprise
Earle Horton wrote:
> That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with
> all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff,
> or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
> coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green stuff,
> but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
You can use Dex-Cool or the Prestone Original in the Surburban with no
problems. GM has used Dex for a long time now, and it's OEM spec.
Ford and Chrysler can't use Dex because 2-EHA is a plasticizer that
softens their gasket material and radiator seals, eventually causing
leaks and failure.
I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're
interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I don't
know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive.
> That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with
> all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff,
> or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
> coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green stuff,
> but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
You can use Dex-Cool or the Prestone Original in the Surburban with no
problems. GM has used Dex for a long time now, and it's OEM spec.
Ford and Chrysler can't use Dex because 2-EHA is a plasticizer that
softens their gasket material and radiator seals, eventually causing
leaks and failure.
I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're
interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I don't
know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive.
12-07-2006, 09:06 PM
#114
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Posts: n/a
Re: Coolant suprise
Earle Horton wrote:
> That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with
> all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff,
> or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
> coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green stuff,
> but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
You can use Dex-Cool or the Prestone Original in the Surburban with no
problems. GM has used Dex for a long time now, and it's OEM spec.
Ford and Chrysler can't use Dex because 2-EHA is a plasticizer that
softens their gasket material and radiator seals, eventually causing
leaks and failure.
I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're
interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I don't
know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive.
> That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with
> all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff,
> or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
> coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green stuff,
> but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
You can use Dex-Cool or the Prestone Original in the Surburban with no
problems. GM has used Dex for a long time now, and it's OEM spec.
Ford and Chrysler can't use Dex because 2-EHA is a plasticizer that
softens their gasket material and radiator seals, eventually causing
leaks and failure.
I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're
interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I don't
know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive.
12-07-2006, 09:06 PM
#115
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Posts: n/a
Re: Coolant suprise
Earle Horton wrote:
> That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with
> all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff,
> or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
> coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green stuff,
> but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
You can use Dex-Cool or the Prestone Original in the Surburban with no
problems. GM has used Dex for a long time now, and it's OEM spec.
Ford and Chrysler can't use Dex because 2-EHA is a plasticizer that
softens their gasket material and radiator seals, eventually causing
leaks and failure.
I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're
interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I don't
know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive.
> That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with
> all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff,
> or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
> coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green stuff,
> but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
You can use Dex-Cool or the Prestone Original in the Surburban with no
problems. GM has used Dex for a long time now, and it's OEM spec.
Ford and Chrysler can't use Dex because 2-EHA is a plasticizer that
softens their gasket material and radiator seals, eventually causing
leaks and failure.
I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're
interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I don't
know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive.
12-07-2006, 09:34 PM
#116
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Re: Coolant suprise
earlehortonATmsnDOTcom
Hope the spam bots don't figure it out. I have enough already.
Thanks!
Earle
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:j6KdnQjMB-baVOXYnZ2dnUVZ_h2onZ2d@softcom.net...
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
with
> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
stuff,
> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing
the
> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
stuff,
> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>
> You can use Dex-Cool or the Prestone Original in the Surburban with no
> problems. GM has used Dex for a long time now, and it's OEM spec.
>
> Ford and Chrysler can't use Dex because 2-EHA is a plasticizer that
> softens their gasket material and radiator seals, eventually causing
> leaks and failure.
>
> I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're
> interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I don't
> know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive.
Hope the spam bots don't figure it out. I have enough already.
Thanks!
Earle
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:j6KdnQjMB-baVOXYnZ2dnUVZ_h2onZ2d@softcom.net...
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
with
> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
stuff,
> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing
the
> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
stuff,
> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>
> You can use Dex-Cool or the Prestone Original in the Surburban with no
> problems. GM has used Dex for a long time now, and it's OEM spec.
>
> Ford and Chrysler can't use Dex because 2-EHA is a plasticizer that
> softens their gasket material and radiator seals, eventually causing
> leaks and failure.
>
> I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're
> interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I don't
> know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive.
12-07-2006, 09:34 PM
#117
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Re: Coolant suprise
earlehortonATmsnDOTcom
Hope the spam bots don't figure it out. I have enough already.
Thanks!
Earle
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:j6KdnQjMB-baVOXYnZ2dnUVZ_h2onZ2d@softcom.net...
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
with
> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
stuff,
> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing
the
> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
stuff,
> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>
> You can use Dex-Cool or the Prestone Original in the Surburban with no
> problems. GM has used Dex for a long time now, and it's OEM spec.
>
> Ford and Chrysler can't use Dex because 2-EHA is a plasticizer that
> softens their gasket material and radiator seals, eventually causing
> leaks and failure.
>
> I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're
> interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I don't
> know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive.
Hope the spam bots don't figure it out. I have enough already.
Thanks!
Earle
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
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> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
with
> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
stuff,
> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing
the
> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
stuff,
> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>
> You can use Dex-Cool or the Prestone Original in the Surburban with no
> problems. GM has used Dex for a long time now, and it's OEM spec.
>
> Ford and Chrysler can't use Dex because 2-EHA is a plasticizer that
> softens their gasket material and radiator seals, eventually causing
> leaks and failure.
>
> I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're
> interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I don't
> know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive.
12-07-2006, 09:34 PM
#118
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Re: Coolant suprise
earlehortonATmsnDOTcom
Hope the spam bots don't figure it out. I have enough already.
Thanks!
Earle
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:j6KdnQjMB-baVOXYnZ2dnUVZ_h2onZ2d@softcom.net...
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
with
> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
stuff,
> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing
the
> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
stuff,
> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>
> You can use Dex-Cool or the Prestone Original in the Surburban with no
> problems. GM has used Dex for a long time now, and it's OEM spec.
>
> Ford and Chrysler can't use Dex because 2-EHA is a plasticizer that
> softens their gasket material and radiator seals, eventually causing
> leaks and failure.
>
> I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're
> interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I don't
> know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive.
Hope the spam bots don't figure it out. I have enough already.
Thanks!
Earle
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:j6KdnQjMB-baVOXYnZ2dnUVZ_h2onZ2d@softcom.net...
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
with
> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
stuff,
> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing
the
> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
stuff,
> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>
> You can use Dex-Cool or the Prestone Original in the Surburban with no
> problems. GM has used Dex for a long time now, and it's OEM spec.
>
> Ford and Chrysler can't use Dex because 2-EHA is a plasticizer that
> softens their gasket material and radiator seals, eventually causing
> leaks and failure.
>
> I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're
> interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I don't
> know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive.
12-07-2006, 09:57 PM
#119
Guest
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Re: Coolant suprise
I would like it also...
Thanks
billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net remove the spam
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:j6KdnQjMB-baVOXYnZ2dnUVZ_h2onZ2d@softcom.net...
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
>> with
>> all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
>> stuff,
>> or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
>> coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
>> stuff,
>> but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
>> "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
>> couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>
> You can use Dex-Cool or the Prestone Original in the Surburban with no
> problems. GM has used Dex for a long time now, and it's OEM spec.
>
> Ford and Chrysler can't use Dex because 2-EHA is a plasticizer that
> softens their gasket material and radiator seals, eventually causing leaks
> and failure.
>
> I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're
> interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I don't
> know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive.
Thanks
billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net remove the spam
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:j6KdnQjMB-baVOXYnZ2dnUVZ_h2onZ2d@softcom.net...
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
>> with
>> all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
>> stuff,
>> or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
>> coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
>> stuff,
>> but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
>> "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
>> couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>
> You can use Dex-Cool or the Prestone Original in the Surburban with no
> problems. GM has used Dex for a long time now, and it's OEM spec.
>
> Ford and Chrysler can't use Dex because 2-EHA is a plasticizer that
> softens their gasket material and radiator seals, eventually causing leaks
> and failure.
>
> I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're
> interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I don't
> know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive.
12-07-2006, 09:57 PM
#120
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Coolant suprise
I would like it also...
Thanks
billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net remove the spam
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:j6KdnQjMB-baVOXYnZ2dnUVZ_h2onZ2d@softcom.net...
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
>> with
>> all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
>> stuff,
>> or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
>> coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
>> stuff,
>> but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
>> "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
>> couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>
> You can use Dex-Cool or the Prestone Original in the Surburban with no
> problems. GM has used Dex for a long time now, and it's OEM spec.
>
> Ford and Chrysler can't use Dex because 2-EHA is a plasticizer that
> softens their gasket material and radiator seals, eventually causing leaks
> and failure.
>
> I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're
> interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I don't
> know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive.
Thanks
billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net remove the spam
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:j6KdnQjMB-baVOXYnZ2dnUVZ_h2onZ2d@softcom.net...
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible
>> with
>> all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex
>> stuff,
>> or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the
>> coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green
>> stuff,
>> but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for
>> "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a
>> couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too.
>
> You can use Dex-Cool or the Prestone Original in the Surburban with no
> problems. GM has used Dex for a long time now, and it's OEM spec.
>
> Ford and Chrysler can't use Dex because 2-EHA is a plasticizer that
> softens their gasket material and radiator seals, eventually causing leaks
> and failure.
>
> I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're
> interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I don't
> know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive.