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11-11-2003, 11:28 PM

#61

Mike Romain

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Re: Clutch question

Peter Parker wrote:
>
> In article <3FB1A701.413E517B@sympatico.ca>,
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> <snip>
> >>
> >> Right Bill? :) huh? huh? huh? :)
> >>
> >> Real Truckers don't use clutches....
> >>
> >> --Hmmm...
> >
> >Ok, I always either called it double clutching without the clutch or
> >power shifting it I think.
>
> I think power shifting might be it. Not sure.
>
> >I thought that kinda defined the differences, maybe not?
>
> The diff is the lack of clutch usage.

Exactly, I thought the way I said it mentioned the difference in the
post. Here is a quote:

"That is called 'double clutching' if the clutch is in there, but a
clutch
isn't needed, a power shift can be done with a little practice."

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

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11-12-2003, 11:00 AM

#62

TJim

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Re: Clutch question

LOL Anyone who has ever owned an older VW, like the "real" bug or the old
air cooled mini bus has probably already learned to drive with the clutch
cable broken. I drove my '66 mini bus for about a week without the clutch
until I could get a new clutch cable (the coat hanger fix only worked about
a day before it wore completely through.). You just have to have a good
battery and get used to shutting the motor off at stop signs and red lights.
They actually shift pretty smoothly when you just back off the gas a bit.
(The real old ones without 1st gear synchronizers only go down to 2nd,
though.)

--
Jim

"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lk23rvkdjkt9o9mn1nf77k50ls9ghgmill@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:46:26 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> shared the following:
>
> > Right. Those that have had to depress one, know why.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
>
> This is a timely thread for me because just today I realized I'd never
> tried to shift the gears on my Jeep without using the clutch. I only
> shifted between 2nd and 3rd a couple of times, upshifting and
> downshifting (I mean without using the clutch) but it went so smoothly
> that I was surprised. I mean not even a teeny tiny bit of a grind at
> all. Cool.
>
>
> >Peter Parker wrote:
> >>
> >> I think you might be confused about "double clutching". Shifting
without
> >> pushing the clutch is not to be confused with double clutching. Double
clutching
> >> is when you push in the clutch, shift into neutral, let go of the
clutch,
> >> push in the clutch again to disengage syncros, shift into the next
gear.
> >> That's how you had to do driving the old VW bugs w/o syncros in the
tranny.
> >> I still double clutch to save wear on my syncros whenever possible.
> >>
> >> Since the OP lost his clutch usage, he would have to shift as you
described
> >> and that is without any load at a certain RPM. Truckers do this all the
> >> time since they only use the clutch to start out from a dead stop.
> >>
> >> Right Bill? :) huh? huh? huh? :)
> >>
> >> Real Truckers don't use clutches....
> >>
> >> --
> >> <html><form><input type crash></form></html>
> >> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via
e-mail
>
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!

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11-12-2003, 11:00 AM

#63

TJim

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Re: Clutch question

LOL Anyone who has ever owned an older VW, like the "real" bug or the old
air cooled mini bus has probably already learned to drive with the clutch
cable broken. I drove my '66 mini bus for about a week without the clutch
until I could get a new clutch cable (the coat hanger fix only worked about
a day before it wore completely through.). You just have to have a good
battery and get used to shutting the motor off at stop signs and red lights.
They actually shift pretty smoothly when you just back off the gas a bit.
(The real old ones without 1st gear synchronizers only go down to 2nd,
though.)

--
Jim

"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lk23rvkdjkt9o9mn1nf77k50ls9ghgmill@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:46:26 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> shared the following:
>
> > Right. Those that have had to depress one, know why.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
>
> This is a timely thread for me because just today I realized I'd never
> tried to shift the gears on my Jeep without using the clutch. I only
> shifted between 2nd and 3rd a couple of times, upshifting and
> downshifting (I mean without using the clutch) but it went so smoothly
> that I was surprised. I mean not even a teeny tiny bit of a grind at
> all. Cool.
>
>
> >Peter Parker wrote:
> >>
> >> I think you might be confused about "double clutching". Shifting
without
> >> pushing the clutch is not to be confused with double clutching. Double
clutching
> >> is when you push in the clutch, shift into neutral, let go of the
clutch,
> >> push in the clutch again to disengage syncros, shift into the next
gear.
> >> That's how you had to do driving the old VW bugs w/o syncros in the
tranny.
> >> I still double clutch to save wear on my syncros whenever possible.
> >>
> >> Since the OP lost his clutch usage, he would have to shift as you
described
> >> and that is without any load at a certain RPM. Truckers do this all the
> >> time since they only use the clutch to start out from a dead stop.
> >>
> >> Right Bill? :) huh? huh? huh? :)
> >>
> >> Real Truckers don't use clutches....
> >>
> >> --
> >> <html><form><input type crash></form></html>
> >> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via
e-mail
>
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!

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11-12-2003, 11:00 AM

#64

TJim

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Re: Clutch question

LOL Anyone who has ever owned an older VW, like the "real" bug or the old
air cooled mini bus has probably already learned to drive with the clutch
cable broken. I drove my '66 mini bus for about a week without the clutch
until I could get a new clutch cable (the coat hanger fix only worked about
a day before it wore completely through.). You just have to have a good
battery and get used to shutting the motor off at stop signs and red lights.
They actually shift pretty smoothly when you just back off the gas a bit.
(The real old ones without 1st gear synchronizers only go down to 2nd,
though.)

--
Jim

"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lk23rvkdjkt9o9mn1nf77k50ls9ghgmill@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:46:26 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> shared the following:
>
> > Right. Those that have had to depress one, know why.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
>
> This is a timely thread for me because just today I realized I'd never
> tried to shift the gears on my Jeep without using the clutch. I only
> shifted between 2nd and 3rd a couple of times, upshifting and
> downshifting (I mean without using the clutch) but it went so smoothly
> that I was surprised. I mean not even a teeny tiny bit of a grind at
> all. Cool.
>
>
> >Peter Parker wrote:
> >>
> >> I think you might be confused about "double clutching". Shifting
without
> >> pushing the clutch is not to be confused with double clutching. Double
clutching
> >> is when you push in the clutch, shift into neutral, let go of the
clutch,
> >> push in the clutch again to disengage syncros, shift into the next
gear.
> >> That's how you had to do driving the old VW bugs w/o syncros in the
tranny.
> >> I still double clutch to save wear on my syncros whenever possible.
> >>
> >> Since the OP lost his clutch usage, he would have to shift as you
described
> >> and that is without any load at a certain RPM. Truckers do this all the
> >> time since they only use the clutch to start out from a dead stop.
> >>
> >> Right Bill? :) huh? huh? huh? :)
> >>
> >> Real Truckers don't use clutches....
> >>
> >> --
> >> <html><form><input type crash></form></html>
> >> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via
e-mail
>
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!

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11-12-2003, 02:00 PM

#65

Lon Stowell

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Re: Clutch question

Approximately 11/12/03 08:00, TJim uttered for posterity:

> LOL Anyone who has ever owned an older VW, like the "real" bug or the old
> air cooled mini bus has probably already learned to drive with the clutch
> cable broken. I drove my '66 mini bus for about a week without the clutch
> until I could get a new clutch cable (the coat hanger fix only worked about
> a day before it wore completely through.). You just have to have a good
> battery and get used to shutting the motor off at stop signs and red lights.
> They actually shift pretty smoothly when you just back off the gas a bit.
> (The real old ones without 1st gear synchronizers only go down to 2nd,
> though.)
>

Add the '65 and later Corvairs to that. Luckily even the
turbo had enough torque to allow you to start it in gear,
and the synchros were good enough to allow clutchless shifting.

--
My governor can kick your governor's ***

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11-12-2003, 02:00 PM

#66

Lon Stowell

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Re: Clutch question

Approximately 11/12/03 08:00, TJim uttered for posterity:

> LOL Anyone who has ever owned an older VW, like the "real" bug or the old
> air cooled mini bus has probably already learned to drive with the clutch
> cable broken. I drove my '66 mini bus for about a week without the clutch
> until I could get a new clutch cable (the coat hanger fix only worked about
> a day before it wore completely through.). You just have to have a good
> battery and get used to shutting the motor off at stop signs and red lights.
> They actually shift pretty smoothly when you just back off the gas a bit.
> (The real old ones without 1st gear synchronizers only go down to 2nd,
> though.)
>

Add the '65 and later Corvairs to that. Luckily even the
turbo had enough torque to allow you to start it in gear,
and the synchros were good enough to allow clutchless shifting.

--
My governor can kick your governor's ***

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11-12-2003, 02:00 PM

#67

Lon Stowell

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Re: Clutch question

Approximately 11/12/03 08:00, TJim uttered for posterity:

> LOL Anyone who has ever owned an older VW, like the "real" bug or the old
> air cooled mini bus has probably already learned to drive with the clutch
> cable broken. I drove my '66 mini bus for about a week without the clutch
> until I could get a new clutch cable (the coat hanger fix only worked about
> a day before it wore completely through.). You just have to have a good
> battery and get used to shutting the motor off at stop signs and red lights.
> They actually shift pretty smoothly when you just back off the gas a bit.
> (The real old ones without 1st gear synchronizers only go down to 2nd,
> though.)
>

Add the '65 and later Corvairs to that. Luckily even the
turbo had enough torque to allow you to start it in gear,
and the synchros were good enough to allow clutchless shifting.

--
My governor can kick your governor's ***

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11-12-2003, 05:15 PM

#68

Mike Romain

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Re: Clutch question

Yup, that fits me to a T. I learned on my Bug the same way.

They also were a low rpm engine and sure shifted easy eh.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

TJim wrote:
>
> LOL Anyone who has ever owned an older VW, like the "real" bug or the old
> air cooled mini bus has probably already learned to drive with the clutch
> cable broken. I drove my '66 mini bus for about a week without the clutch
> until I could get a new clutch cable (the coat hanger fix only worked about
> a day before it wore completely through.). You just have to have a good
> battery and get used to shutting the motor off at stop signs and red lights.
> They actually shift pretty smoothly when you just back off the gas a bit.
> (The real old ones without 1st gear synchronizers only go down to 2nd,
> though.)
>
> --
> Jim
>
> "travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:lk23rvkdjkt9o9mn1nf77k50ls9ghgmill@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:46:26 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> > <----------@***.net> shared the following:
> >
> > > Right. Those that have had to depress one, know why.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> >
> > This is a timely thread for me because just today I realized I'd never
> > tried to shift the gears on my Jeep without using the clutch. I only
> > shifted between 2nd and 3rd a couple of times, upshifting and
> > downshifting (I mean without using the clutch) but it went so smoothly
> > that I was surprised. I mean not even a teeny tiny bit of a grind at
> > all. Cool.
> >
> >
> > >Peter Parker wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I think you might be confused about "double clutching". Shifting
> without
> > >> pushing the clutch is not to be confused with double clutching. Double
> clutching
> > >> is when you push in the clutch, shift into neutral, let go of the
> clutch,
> > >> push in the clutch again to disengage syncros, shift into the next
> gear.
> > >> That's how you had to do driving the old VW bugs w/o syncros in the
> tranny.
> > >> I still double clutch to save wear on my syncros whenever possible.
> > >>
> > >> Since the OP lost his clutch usage, he would have to shift as you
> described
> > >> and that is without any load at a certain RPM. Truckers do this all the
> > >> time since they only use the clutch to start out from a dead stop.
> > >>
> > >> Right Bill? :) huh? huh? huh? :)
> > >>
> > >> Real Truckers don't use clutches....
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> <html><form><input type crash></form></html>
> > >> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via
> e-mail
> >
> >
> > --
> > Travis
> > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> > :wq!

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11-12-2003, 05:15 PM

#69

Mike Romain

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Re: Clutch question

Yup, that fits me to a T. I learned on my Bug the same way.

They also were a low rpm engine and sure shifted easy eh.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

TJim wrote:
>
> LOL Anyone who has ever owned an older VW, like the "real" bug or the old
> air cooled mini bus has probably already learned to drive with the clutch
> cable broken. I drove my '66 mini bus for about a week without the clutch
> until I could get a new clutch cable (the coat hanger fix only worked about
> a day before it wore completely through.). You just have to have a good
> battery and get used to shutting the motor off at stop signs and red lights.
> They actually shift pretty smoothly when you just back off the gas a bit.
> (The real old ones without 1st gear synchronizers only go down to 2nd,
> though.)
>
> --
> Jim
>
> "travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:lk23rvkdjkt9o9mn1nf77k50ls9ghgmill@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:46:26 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> > <----------@***.net> shared the following:
> >
> > > Right. Those that have had to depress one, know why.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> >
> > This is a timely thread for me because just today I realized I'd never
> > tried to shift the gears on my Jeep without using the clutch. I only
> > shifted between 2nd and 3rd a couple of times, upshifting and
> > downshifting (I mean without using the clutch) but it went so smoothly
> > that I was surprised. I mean not even a teeny tiny bit of a grind at
> > all. Cool.
> >
> >
> > >Peter Parker wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I think you might be confused about "double clutching". Shifting
> without
> > >> pushing the clutch is not to be confused with double clutching. Double
> clutching
> > >> is when you push in the clutch, shift into neutral, let go of the
> clutch,
> > >> push in the clutch again to disengage syncros, shift into the next
> gear.
> > >> That's how you had to do driving the old VW bugs w/o syncros in the
> tranny.
> > >> I still double clutch to save wear on my syncros whenever possible.
> > >>
> > >> Since the OP lost his clutch usage, he would have to shift as you
> described
> > >> and that is without any load at a certain RPM. Truckers do this all the
> > >> time since they only use the clutch to start out from a dead stop.
> > >>
> > >> Right Bill? :) huh? huh? huh? :)
> > >>
> > >> Real Truckers don't use clutches....
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> <html><form><input type crash></form></html>
> > >> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via
> e-mail
> >
> >
> > --
> > Travis
> > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> > :wq!

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11-12-2003, 05:15 PM

#70

Mike Romain

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Posts: n/a

Re: Clutch question

Yup, that fits me to a T. I learned on my Bug the same way.

They also were a low rpm engine and sure shifted easy eh.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

TJim wrote:
>
> LOL Anyone who has ever owned an older VW, like the "real" bug or the old
> air cooled mini bus has probably already learned to drive with the clutch
> cable broken. I drove my '66 mini bus for about a week without the clutch
> until I could get a new clutch cable (the coat hanger fix only worked about
> a day before it wore completely through.). You just have to have a good
> battery and get used to shutting the motor off at stop signs and red lights.
> They actually shift pretty smoothly when you just back off the gas a bit.
> (The real old ones without 1st gear synchronizers only go down to 2nd,
> though.)
>
> --
> Jim
>
> "travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:lk23rvkdjkt9o9mn1nf77k50ls9ghgmill@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:46:26 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> > <----------@***.net> shared the following:
> >
> > > Right. Those that have had to depress one, know why.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> >
> > This is a timely thread for me because just today I realized I'd never
> > tried to shift the gears on my Jeep without using the clutch. I only
> > shifted between 2nd and 3rd a couple of times, upshifting and
> > downshifting (I mean without using the clutch) but it went so smoothly
> > that I was surprised. I mean not even a teeny tiny bit of a grind at
> > all. Cool.
> >
> >
> > >Peter Parker wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I think you might be confused about "double clutching". Shifting
> without
> > >> pushing the clutch is not to be confused with double clutching. Double
> clutching
> > >> is when you push in the clutch, shift into neutral, let go of the
> clutch,
> > >> push in the clutch again to disengage syncros, shift into the next
> gear.
> > >> That's how you had to do driving the old VW bugs w/o syncros in the
> tranny.
> > >> I still double clutch to save wear on my syncros whenever possible.
> > >>
> > >> Since the OP lost his clutch usage, he would have to shift as you
> described
> > >> and that is without any load at a certain RPM. Truckers do this all the
> > >> time since they only use the clutch to start out from a dead stop.
> > >>
> > >> Right Bill? :) huh? huh? huh? :)
> > >>
> > >> Real Truckers don't use clutches....
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> <html><form><input type crash></form></html>
> > >> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via
> e-mail
> >
> >
> > --
> > Travis
> > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> > :wq!

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