Clutch question
11-10-2003, 04:12 PM
#11
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Re: Clutch question
It comes as a unit:
http://www.wilsons4x4.com/catalog/im...t3/clutch1.gif It'd be the
last thing I'd want on the trail.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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CRWLR wrote:
>
> Pre- filled and bled from the factory? How do they do this and still ship
> it?
http://www.wilsons4x4.com/catalog/im...t3/clutch1.gif It'd be the
last thing I'd want on the trail.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
CRWLR wrote:
>
> Pre- filled and bled from the factory? How do they do this and still ship
> it?
11-10-2003, 04:12 PM
#12
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Re: Clutch question
It comes as a unit:
http://www.wilsons4x4.com/catalog/im...t3/clutch1.gif It'd be the
last thing I'd want on the trail.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
CRWLR wrote:
>
> Pre- filled and bled from the factory? How do they do this and still ship
> it?
http://www.wilsons4x4.com/catalog/im...t3/clutch1.gif It'd be the
last thing I'd want on the trail.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
CRWLR wrote:
>
> Pre- filled and bled from the factory? How do they do this and still ship
> it?
11-10-2003, 04:12 PM
#13
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Re: Clutch question
It comes as a unit:
http://www.wilsons4x4.com/catalog/im...t3/clutch1.gif It'd be the
last thing I'd want on the trail.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
CRWLR wrote:
>
> Pre- filled and bled from the factory? How do they do this and still ship
> it?
http://www.wilsons4x4.com/catalog/im...t3/clutch1.gif It'd be the
last thing I'd want on the trail.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
CRWLR wrote:
>
> Pre- filled and bled from the factory? How do they do this and still ship
> it?
11-10-2003, 04:46 PM
#14
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Re: Clutch question
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:53:18 UTC "Doug" <doug.schuler@verizon.net>
wrote:
> All, I need some advice:
>
> I have a '94 YJ with a 4.0 and 5sp transmission. I put a new clutch in
> around this time last year, with some advice from this group. The other day
> on the way home it decided it didn't want to go any further. I had it towed
> home, and was able to get things far enough apart where I can see what
> happened (or so I think I know!)
>
> Based on the parts I retrieved from inside the bell housing, it looks like a
> retaining clip broke, which allowed the slave cylinder to come apart. The
> slave cylinder was in several pieces, but there didn't seem to be much fluid
> inside the housing, so I'm hoping most leaked outside...
>
> My questions are then:
>
> Should the clutch be replaced?
> How can I tell if the fluid damaged it?
> While it is apart, anything else I should consider replacing? I'd hate for
> the next "thing" to break once its all back together!
> Should I replace the master/slave cylinder or rebuild it?
> any one have any experience doing either/which on is better?
You shouldn't have a problem with the clutch disk - the pressure plate
should deflect any direct spray and the fluid will evaporate anyway -
but that should be obvious once you pull the tranny.
You can replace the slave on the 94 w/o pulling the tranny, so I would
just fix/replace the slave and see what happens. Unless the throwout
arm is messed up or binding I don't see how you could do any damage
even if the clutch is toast. You may still have to pull the tranny in
that case, but I would sure start by just fixing that slave cylinder.
Then you can decide on pulling the tranny based on what you see - you
are going to have to fix the slave regardless.
BTW, the Advanced Auto store here has the slave and master cylinders
available separately for MUCH less than the dealer all-in-one kit.
Funny part is, they didn't have the connecting hose last time I
checked. One parts house here - I think they are ProComp affiliated -
also listed rebuild kits for both the master and the slave.
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
wrote:
> All, I need some advice:
>
> I have a '94 YJ with a 4.0 and 5sp transmission. I put a new clutch in
> around this time last year, with some advice from this group. The other day
> on the way home it decided it didn't want to go any further. I had it towed
> home, and was able to get things far enough apart where I can see what
> happened (or so I think I know!)
>
> Based on the parts I retrieved from inside the bell housing, it looks like a
> retaining clip broke, which allowed the slave cylinder to come apart. The
> slave cylinder was in several pieces, but there didn't seem to be much fluid
> inside the housing, so I'm hoping most leaked outside...
>
> My questions are then:
>
> Should the clutch be replaced?
> How can I tell if the fluid damaged it?
> While it is apart, anything else I should consider replacing? I'd hate for
> the next "thing" to break once its all back together!
> Should I replace the master/slave cylinder or rebuild it?
> any one have any experience doing either/which on is better?
You shouldn't have a problem with the clutch disk - the pressure plate
should deflect any direct spray and the fluid will evaporate anyway -
but that should be obvious once you pull the tranny.
You can replace the slave on the 94 w/o pulling the tranny, so I would
just fix/replace the slave and see what happens. Unless the throwout
arm is messed up or binding I don't see how you could do any damage
even if the clutch is toast. You may still have to pull the tranny in
that case, but I would sure start by just fixing that slave cylinder.
Then you can decide on pulling the tranny based on what you see - you
are going to have to fix the slave regardless.
BTW, the Advanced Auto store here has the slave and master cylinders
available separately for MUCH less than the dealer all-in-one kit.
Funny part is, they didn't have the connecting hose last time I
checked. One parts house here - I think they are ProComp affiliated -
also listed rebuild kits for both the master and the slave.
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
11-10-2003, 04:46 PM
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Re: Clutch question
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:53:18 UTC "Doug" <doug.schuler@verizon.net>
wrote:
> All, I need some advice:
>
> I have a '94 YJ with a 4.0 and 5sp transmission. I put a new clutch in
> around this time last year, with some advice from this group. The other day
> on the way home it decided it didn't want to go any further. I had it towed
> home, and was able to get things far enough apart where I can see what
> happened (or so I think I know!)
>
> Based on the parts I retrieved from inside the bell housing, it looks like a
> retaining clip broke, which allowed the slave cylinder to come apart. The
> slave cylinder was in several pieces, but there didn't seem to be much fluid
> inside the housing, so I'm hoping most leaked outside...
>
> My questions are then:
>
> Should the clutch be replaced?
> How can I tell if the fluid damaged it?
> While it is apart, anything else I should consider replacing? I'd hate for
> the next "thing" to break once its all back together!
> Should I replace the master/slave cylinder or rebuild it?
> any one have any experience doing either/which on is better?
You shouldn't have a problem with the clutch disk - the pressure plate
should deflect any direct spray and the fluid will evaporate anyway -
but that should be obvious once you pull the tranny.
You can replace the slave on the 94 w/o pulling the tranny, so I would
just fix/replace the slave and see what happens. Unless the throwout
arm is messed up or binding I don't see how you could do any damage
even if the clutch is toast. You may still have to pull the tranny in
that case, but I would sure start by just fixing that slave cylinder.
Then you can decide on pulling the tranny based on what you see - you
are going to have to fix the slave regardless.
BTW, the Advanced Auto store here has the slave and master cylinders
available separately for MUCH less than the dealer all-in-one kit.
Funny part is, they didn't have the connecting hose last time I
checked. One parts house here - I think they are ProComp affiliated -
also listed rebuild kits for both the master and the slave.
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
wrote:
> All, I need some advice:
>
> I have a '94 YJ with a 4.0 and 5sp transmission. I put a new clutch in
> around this time last year, with some advice from this group. The other day
> on the way home it decided it didn't want to go any further. I had it towed
> home, and was able to get things far enough apart where I can see what
> happened (or so I think I know!)
>
> Based on the parts I retrieved from inside the bell housing, it looks like a
> retaining clip broke, which allowed the slave cylinder to come apart. The
> slave cylinder was in several pieces, but there didn't seem to be much fluid
> inside the housing, so I'm hoping most leaked outside...
>
> My questions are then:
>
> Should the clutch be replaced?
> How can I tell if the fluid damaged it?
> While it is apart, anything else I should consider replacing? I'd hate for
> the next "thing" to break once its all back together!
> Should I replace the master/slave cylinder or rebuild it?
> any one have any experience doing either/which on is better?
You shouldn't have a problem with the clutch disk - the pressure plate
should deflect any direct spray and the fluid will evaporate anyway -
but that should be obvious once you pull the tranny.
You can replace the slave on the 94 w/o pulling the tranny, so I would
just fix/replace the slave and see what happens. Unless the throwout
arm is messed up or binding I don't see how you could do any damage
even if the clutch is toast. You may still have to pull the tranny in
that case, but I would sure start by just fixing that slave cylinder.
Then you can decide on pulling the tranny based on what you see - you
are going to have to fix the slave regardless.
BTW, the Advanced Auto store here has the slave and master cylinders
available separately for MUCH less than the dealer all-in-one kit.
Funny part is, they didn't have the connecting hose last time I
checked. One parts house here - I think they are ProComp affiliated -
also listed rebuild kits for both the master and the slave.
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
11-10-2003, 04:46 PM
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Re: Clutch question
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:53:18 UTC "Doug" <doug.schuler@verizon.net>
wrote:
> All, I need some advice:
>
> I have a '94 YJ with a 4.0 and 5sp transmission. I put a new clutch in
> around this time last year, with some advice from this group. The other day
> on the way home it decided it didn't want to go any further. I had it towed
> home, and was able to get things far enough apart where I can see what
> happened (or so I think I know!)
>
> Based on the parts I retrieved from inside the bell housing, it looks like a
> retaining clip broke, which allowed the slave cylinder to come apart. The
> slave cylinder was in several pieces, but there didn't seem to be much fluid
> inside the housing, so I'm hoping most leaked outside...
>
> My questions are then:
>
> Should the clutch be replaced?
> How can I tell if the fluid damaged it?
> While it is apart, anything else I should consider replacing? I'd hate for
> the next "thing" to break once its all back together!
> Should I replace the master/slave cylinder or rebuild it?
> any one have any experience doing either/which on is better?
You shouldn't have a problem with the clutch disk - the pressure plate
should deflect any direct spray and the fluid will evaporate anyway -
but that should be obvious once you pull the tranny.
You can replace the slave on the 94 w/o pulling the tranny, so I would
just fix/replace the slave and see what happens. Unless the throwout
arm is messed up or binding I don't see how you could do any damage
even if the clutch is toast. You may still have to pull the tranny in
that case, but I would sure start by just fixing that slave cylinder.
Then you can decide on pulling the tranny based on what you see - you
are going to have to fix the slave regardless.
BTW, the Advanced Auto store here has the slave and master cylinders
available separately for MUCH less than the dealer all-in-one kit.
Funny part is, they didn't have the connecting hose last time I
checked. One parts house here - I think they are ProComp affiliated -
also listed rebuild kits for both the master and the slave.
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
wrote:
> All, I need some advice:
>
> I have a '94 YJ with a 4.0 and 5sp transmission. I put a new clutch in
> around this time last year, with some advice from this group. The other day
> on the way home it decided it didn't want to go any further. I had it towed
> home, and was able to get things far enough apart where I can see what
> happened (or so I think I know!)
>
> Based on the parts I retrieved from inside the bell housing, it looks like a
> retaining clip broke, which allowed the slave cylinder to come apart. The
> slave cylinder was in several pieces, but there didn't seem to be much fluid
> inside the housing, so I'm hoping most leaked outside...
>
> My questions are then:
>
> Should the clutch be replaced?
> How can I tell if the fluid damaged it?
> While it is apart, anything else I should consider replacing? I'd hate for
> the next "thing" to break once its all back together!
> Should I replace the master/slave cylinder or rebuild it?
> any one have any experience doing either/which on is better?
You shouldn't have a problem with the clutch disk - the pressure plate
should deflect any direct spray and the fluid will evaporate anyway -
but that should be obvious once you pull the tranny.
You can replace the slave on the 94 w/o pulling the tranny, so I would
just fix/replace the slave and see what happens. Unless the throwout
arm is messed up or binding I don't see how you could do any damage
even if the clutch is toast. You may still have to pull the tranny in
that case, but I would sure start by just fixing that slave cylinder.
Then you can decide on pulling the tranny based on what you see - you
are going to have to fix the slave regardless.
BTW, the Advanced Auto store here has the slave and master cylinders
available separately for MUCH less than the dealer all-in-one kit.
Funny part is, they didn't have the connecting hose last time I
checked. One parts house here - I think they are ProComp affiliated -
also listed rebuild kits for both the master and the slave.
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
11-11-2003, 12:53 PM
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Re: Clutch question
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Hi Doug,
> What do you mean, "it decided it didn't want to go any further."
> You mean the clutch was slipping or it wouldn't disengage, and you
> didn't want to chance being stalled at a stop light? Anyway, while you
> have it apart replace the disc, and inspect the pressure plate. I
> believe the clips you write of are meant to break, they hold the
> cylinder together during assembly: http://www.----------.com/YJslave.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
Well, leaving the traffic signal, I started out in first. I pressed the
clutch pedal to shift to second and heard/felt a "popping" sound. After that
I was not able to engage the clutch at all. I was able to keep going in
first until I was able to pull off the side of the road, about 1/2 mile.
Doug
11-11-2003, 12:53 PM
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Re: Clutch question
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FAFFCF4.88F1B7C@***.net...
> Hi Doug,
> What do you mean, "it decided it didn't want to go any further."
> You mean the clutch was slipping or it wouldn't disengage, and you
> didn't want to chance being stalled at a stop light? Anyway, while you
> have it apart replace the disc, and inspect the pressure plate. I
> believe the clips you write of are meant to break, they hold the
> cylinder together during assembly: http://www.----------.com/YJslave.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
Well, leaving the traffic signal, I started out in first. I pressed the
clutch pedal to shift to second and heard/felt a "popping" sound. After that
I was not able to engage the clutch at all. I was able to keep going in
first until I was able to pull off the side of the road, about 1/2 mile.
Doug
11-11-2003, 12:53 PM
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Re: Clutch question
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FAFFCF4.88F1B7C@***.net...
> Hi Doug,
> What do you mean, "it decided it didn't want to go any further."
> You mean the clutch was slipping or it wouldn't disengage, and you
> didn't want to chance being stalled at a stop light? Anyway, while you
> have it apart replace the disc, and inspect the pressure plate. I
> believe the clips you write of are meant to break, they hold the
> cylinder together during assembly: http://www.----------.com/YJslave.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
Well, leaving the traffic signal, I started out in first. I pressed the
clutch pedal to shift to second and heard/felt a "popping" sound. After that
I was not able to engage the clutch at all. I was able to keep going in
first until I was able to pull off the side of the road, about 1/2 mile.
Doug
11-11-2003, 01:15 PM
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Re: Clutch question
Approximately 11/11/03 09:53, Doug uttered for posterity:
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FAFFCF4.88F1B7C@***.net...
>> Hi Doug,
>> What do you mean, "it decided it didn't want to go any further."
>> You mean the clutch was slipping or it wouldn't disengage, and you
>> didn't want to chance being stalled at a stop light? Anyway, while you
>> have it apart replace the disc, and inspect the pressure plate. I
>> believe the clips you write of are meant to break, they hold the
>> cylinder together during assembly: http://www.----------.com/YJslave.jpg
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:--------------------
>
>
> Well, leaving the traffic signal, I started out in first. I pressed the
> clutch pedal to shift to second and heard/felt a "popping" sound. After that
> I was not able to engage the clutch at all. I was able to keep going in
> first until I was able to pull off the side of the road, about 1/2 mile.
In addition to the clutch release, it *could* be the clutch
just came apart internally and the plates can't release. The
slave assembly is quick to check and replace... if you have to
pull the tranny, the clutch pieces themselves are cheap.
--
My governor can kick your governor's ***
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FAFFCF4.88F1B7C@***.net...
>> Hi Doug,
>> What do you mean, "it decided it didn't want to go any further."
>> You mean the clutch was slipping or it wouldn't disengage, and you
>> didn't want to chance being stalled at a stop light? Anyway, while you
>> have it apart replace the disc, and inspect the pressure plate. I
>> believe the clips you write of are meant to break, they hold the
>> cylinder together during assembly: http://www.----------.com/YJslave.jpg
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:--------------------
>
>
> Well, leaving the traffic signal, I started out in first. I pressed the
> clutch pedal to shift to second and heard/felt a "popping" sound. After that
> I was not able to engage the clutch at all. I was able to keep going in
> first until I was able to pull off the side of the road, about 1/2 mile.
In addition to the clutch release, it *could* be the clutch
just came apart internally and the plates can't release. The
slave assembly is quick to check and replace... if you have to
pull the tranny, the clutch pieces themselves are cheap.
--
My governor can kick your governor's ***