Lon Stowell

Approximately 11/11/03 09:53, Doug uttered for posterity:

> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FAFFCF4.88F1B7C@***.net...
>> Hi Doug,
>> What do you mean, "it decided it didn't want to go any further."
>> You mean the clutch was slipping or it wouldn't disengage, and you
>> didn't want to chance being stalled at a stop light? Anyway, while you
>> have it apart replace the disc, and inspect the pressure plate. I
>> believe the clips you write of are meant to break, they hold the
>> cylinder together during assembly: http://www.----------.com/YJslave.jpg
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:--------------------
>
>
> Well, leaving the traffic signal, I started out in first. I pressed the
> clutch pedal to shift to second and heard/felt a "popping" sound. After that
> I was not able to engage the clutch at all. I was able to keep going in
> first until I was able to pull off the side of the road, about 1/2 mile.

In addition to the clutch release, it *could* be the clutch
just came apart internally and the plates can't release. The
slave assembly is quick to check and replace... if you have to
pull the tranny, the clutch pieces themselves are cheap.


--
My governor can kick your governor's ***

Lon Stowell

Approximately 11/11/03 09:53, Doug uttered for posterity:

> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FAFFCF4.88F1B7C@***.net...
>> Hi Doug,
>> What do you mean, "it decided it didn't want to go any further."
>> You mean the clutch was slipping or it wouldn't disengage, and you
>> didn't want to chance being stalled at a stop light? Anyway, while you
>> have it apart replace the disc, and inspect the pressure plate. I
>> believe the clips you write of are meant to break, they hold the
>> cylinder together during assembly: http://www.----------.com/YJslave.jpg
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:--------------------
>
>
> Well, leaving the traffic signal, I started out in first. I pressed the
> clutch pedal to shift to second and heard/felt a "popping" sound. After that
> I was not able to engage the clutch at all. I was able to keep going in
> first until I was able to pull off the side of the road, about 1/2 mile.

In addition to the clutch release, it *could* be the clutch
just came apart internally and the plates can't release. The
slave assembly is quick to check and replace... if you have to
pull the tranny, the clutch pieces themselves are cheap.


--
My governor can kick your governor's ***

Mike Romain

Just a thought for you, but you do know you can just be stopped with the
engine off and put it in 3rd then hit the starter and go eh.... You can
then limp home in 3rd.

If you need to stop, you can let off the gas so it isn't pulling or
engine braking and bang the shifter to neutral. If you are good, you
can even shift up to 4th this way with a rev in the neutral point. That
is called 'double clutching' if the clutch is in there, but a clutch
isn't needed, a power shift can be done with a little practice.

If yours has the clutch interlock, it might be at the pedal so you hold
the broken pedal down anyway so the starter turns. Or I believe you
have an empty fuse hole labeled auto trans and you just stick a fuse in
there to bypass the clutch interlock.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Doug wrote:
>
> All, I need some advice:
>
> I have a '94 YJ with a 4.0 and 5sp transmission. I put a new clutch in
> around this time last year, with some advice from this group. The other day
> on the way home it decided it didn't want to go any further. I had it towed
> home, and was able to get things far enough apart where I can see what
> happened (or so I think I know!)
>
> Based on the parts I retrieved from inside the bell housing, it looks like a
> retaining clip broke, which allowed the slave cylinder to come apart. The
> slave cylinder was in several pieces, but there didn't seem to be much fluid
> inside the housing, so I'm hoping most leaked outside...
>
> My questions are then:
>
> Should the clutch be replaced?
> How can I tell if the fluid damaged it?
> While it is apart, anything else I should consider replacing? I'd hate for
> the next "thing" to break once its all back together!
> Should I replace the master/slave cylinder or rebuild it?
> any one have any experience doing either/which on is better?
>
> Thanks!
> Doug

Mike Romain

Just a thought for you, but you do know you can just be stopped with the
engine off and put it in 3rd then hit the starter and go eh.... You can
then limp home in 3rd.

If you need to stop, you can let off the gas so it isn't pulling or
engine braking and bang the shifter to neutral. If you are good, you
can even shift up to 4th this way with a rev in the neutral point. That
is called 'double clutching' if the clutch is in there, but a clutch
isn't needed, a power shift can be done with a little practice.

If yours has the clutch interlock, it might be at the pedal so you hold
the broken pedal down anyway so the starter turns. Or I believe you
have an empty fuse hole labeled auto trans and you just stick a fuse in
there to bypass the clutch interlock.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Doug wrote:
>
> All, I need some advice:
>
> I have a '94 YJ with a 4.0 and 5sp transmission. I put a new clutch in
> around this time last year, with some advice from this group. The other day
> on the way home it decided it didn't want to go any further. I had it towed
> home, and was able to get things far enough apart where I can see what
> happened (or so I think I know!)
>
> Based on the parts I retrieved from inside the bell housing, it looks like a
> retaining clip broke, which allowed the slave cylinder to come apart. The
> slave cylinder was in several pieces, but there didn't seem to be much fluid
> inside the housing, so I'm hoping most leaked outside...
>
> My questions are then:
>
> Should the clutch be replaced?
> How can I tell if the fluid damaged it?
> While it is apart, anything else I should consider replacing? I'd hate for
> the next "thing" to break once its all back together!
> Should I replace the master/slave cylinder or rebuild it?
> any one have any experience doing either/which on is better?
>
> Thanks!
> Doug

Mike Romain

Just a thought for you, but you do know you can just be stopped with the
engine off and put it in 3rd then hit the starter and go eh.... You can
then limp home in 3rd.

If you need to stop, you can let off the gas so it isn't pulling or
engine braking and bang the shifter to neutral. If you are good, you
can even shift up to 4th this way with a rev in the neutral point. That
is called 'double clutching' if the clutch is in there, but a clutch
isn't needed, a power shift can be done with a little practice.

If yours has the clutch interlock, it might be at the pedal so you hold
the broken pedal down anyway so the starter turns. Or I believe you
have an empty fuse hole labeled auto trans and you just stick a fuse in
there to bypass the clutch interlock.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Doug wrote:
>
> All, I need some advice:
>
> I have a '94 YJ with a 4.0 and 5sp transmission. I put a new clutch in
> around this time last year, with some advice from this group. The other day
> on the way home it decided it didn't want to go any further. I had it towed
> home, and was able to get things far enough apart where I can see what
> happened (or so I think I know!)
>
> Based on the parts I retrieved from inside the bell housing, it looks like a
> retaining clip broke, which allowed the slave cylinder to come apart. The
> slave cylinder was in several pieces, but there didn't seem to be much fluid
> inside the housing, so I'm hoping most leaked outside...
>
> My questions are then:
>
> Should the clutch be replaced?
> How can I tell if the fluid damaged it?
> While it is apart, anything else I should consider replacing? I'd hate for
> the next "thing" to break once its all back together!
> Should I replace the master/slave cylinder or rebuild it?
> any one have any experience doing either/which on is better?
>
> Thanks!
> Doug

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Tell me about it. The V6 Jeeps used to regularly throw the a
dampener spring and jam it in the pressure plate, if you spun them
tight.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Just a thought for you, but you do know you can just be stopped with the
> engine off and put it in 3rd then hit the starter and go eh.... You can
> then limp home in 3rd.
>
> If you need to stop, you can let off the gas so it isn't pulling or
> engine braking and bang the shifter to neutral. If you are good, you
> can even shift up to 4th this way with a rev in the neutral point. That
> is called 'double clutching' if the clutch is in there, but a clutch
> isn't needed, a power shift can be done with a little practice.
>
> If yours has the clutch interlock, it might be at the pedal so you hold
> the broken pedal down anyway so the starter turns. Or I believe you
> have an empty fuse hole labeled auto trans and you just stick a fuse in
> there to bypass the clutch interlock.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Tell me about it. The V6 Jeeps used to regularly throw the a
dampener spring and jam it in the pressure plate, if you spun them
tight.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Just a thought for you, but you do know you can just be stopped with the
> engine off and put it in 3rd then hit the starter and go eh.... You can
> then limp home in 3rd.
>
> If you need to stop, you can let off the gas so it isn't pulling or
> engine braking and bang the shifter to neutral. If you are good, you
> can even shift up to 4th this way with a rev in the neutral point. That
> is called 'double clutching' if the clutch is in there, but a clutch
> isn't needed, a power shift can be done with a little practice.
>
> If yours has the clutch interlock, it might be at the pedal so you hold
> the broken pedal down anyway so the starter turns. Or I believe you
> have an empty fuse hole labeled auto trans and you just stick a fuse in
> there to bypass the clutch interlock.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Tell me about it. The V6 Jeeps used to regularly throw the a
dampener spring and jam it in the pressure plate, if you spun them
tight.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Just a thought for you, but you do know you can just be stopped with the
> engine off and put it in 3rd then hit the starter and go eh.... You can
> then limp home in 3rd.
>
> If you need to stop, you can let off the gas so it isn't pulling or
> engine braking and bang the shifter to neutral. If you are good, you
> can even shift up to 4th this way with a rev in the neutral point. That
> is called 'double clutching' if the clutch is in there, but a clutch
> isn't needed, a power shift can be done with a little practice.
>
> If yours has the clutch interlock, it might be at the pedal so you hold
> the broken pedal down anyway so the starter turns. Or I believe you
> have an empty fuse hole labeled auto trans and you just stick a fuse in
> there to bypass the clutch interlock.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Romain

Man I remember this old Western Star I learned to drive a semi on that
shifted worse if you used the clutch pedal....

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Tell me about it. The V6 Jeeps used to regularly throw the a
> dampener spring and jam it in the pressure plate, if you spun them
> tight.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > Just a thought for you, but you do know you can just be stopped with the
> > engine off and put it in 3rd then hit the starter and go eh.... You can
> > then limp home in 3rd.
> >
> > If you need to stop, you can let off the gas so it isn't pulling or
> > engine braking and bang the shifter to neutral. If you are good, you
> > can even shift up to 4th this way with a rev in the neutral point. That
> > is called 'double clutching' if the clutch is in there, but a clutch
> > isn't needed, a power shift can be done with a little practice.
> >
> > If yours has the clutch interlock, it might be at the pedal so you hold
> > the broken pedal down anyway so the starter turns. Or I believe you
> > have an empty fuse hole labeled auto trans and you just stick a fuse in
> > there to bypass the clutch interlock.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Romain

Man I remember this old Western Star I learned to drive a semi on that
shifted worse if you used the clutch pedal....

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Tell me about it. The V6 Jeeps used to regularly throw the a
> dampener spring and jam it in the pressure plate, if you spun them
> tight.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > Just a thought for you, but you do know you can just be stopped with the
> > engine off and put it in 3rd then hit the starter and go eh.... You can
> > then limp home in 3rd.
> >
> > If you need to stop, you can let off the gas so it isn't pulling or
> > engine braking and bang the shifter to neutral. If you are good, you
> > can even shift up to 4th this way with a rev in the neutral point. That
> > is called 'double clutching' if the clutch is in there, but a clutch
> > isn't needed, a power shift can be done with a little practice.
> >
> > If yours has the clutch interlock, it might be at the pedal so you hold
> > the broken pedal down anyway so the starter turns. Or I believe you
> > have an empty fuse hole labeled auto trans and you just stick a fuse in
> > there to bypass the clutch interlock.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's