Close Call!
#341
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
I will agree. I have been in situations where all that would work was
the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
the door open so I could jump.....
Mike
Stimpy wrote:
>
> Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I remember
> what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up hill in
> snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next year.
> Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh virgin
> snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and turning
> sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was NOT
> slick and icy.
> So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too much
> pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my earlier
> excursion mentioned above)
> No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply the
> brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the hand
> brake (could control pressure better)
> So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and should
> never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in creeping
> along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> >
> > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > play
> > in
> > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
> > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > decided
> > to
> > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > that
> > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding
> > as
> > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it
> > in
> > a
> > : small ditch to stop.
> > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > back
> > on
> > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
> > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice.
> > I
> > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > possible
> > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > shinny
> > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > embarrassed,
> > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except
> > my
> > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > home
> > on
> > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > :
> > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
> > have
> > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > FullTime
> > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > :
> > :
> >
> > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this matter ;
> > P
> >
> >
the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
the door open so I could jump.....
Mike
Stimpy wrote:
>
> Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I remember
> what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up hill in
> snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next year.
> Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh virgin
> snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and turning
> sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was NOT
> slick and icy.
> So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too much
> pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my earlier
> excursion mentioned above)
> No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply the
> brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the hand
> brake (could control pressure better)
> So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and should
> never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in creeping
> along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> >
> > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > play
> > in
> > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
> > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > decided
> > to
> > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > that
> > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding
> > as
> > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it
> > in
> > a
> > : small ditch to stop.
> > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > back
> > on
> > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
> > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice.
> > I
> > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > possible
> > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > shinny
> > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > embarrassed,
> > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except
> > my
> > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > home
> > on
> > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > :
> > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
> > have
> > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > FullTime
> > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > :
> > :
> >
> > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this matter ;
> > P
> >
> >
#342
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
Heh, according to the statistics people, jumping is the last, most fatal
option. That is why seat belts are installed in motor vehicles--to keep the
people in the car. That said, sometimes it works.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:441AC2BE.102AB573@sympatico.ca...
> I will agree. I have been in situations where all that would work was
> the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
> the door open so I could jump.....
>
> Mike
>
> Stimpy wrote:
> >
> > Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I
remember
> > what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> > experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up
hill in
> > snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next
year.
> > Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh
virgin
> > snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and
turning
> > sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was
NOT
> > slick and icy.
> > So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> > locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> > Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too
much
> > pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> > together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my
earlier
> > excursion mentioned above)
> > No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> > tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply
the
> > brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the
hand
> > brake (could control pressure better)
> > So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and
should
> > never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in
creeping
> > along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> > "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> > news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > >
> > > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > > play
> > > in
> > > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
several
> > > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > > decided
> > > to
> > > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > > that
> > > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
sliding
> > > as
> > > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
it
> > > in
> > > a
> > > : small ditch to stop.
> > > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
the
> > > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > > back
> > > on
> > > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
the
> > > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
ice.
> > > I
> > > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > > possible
> > > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > > shinny
> > > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > > embarrassed,
> > > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage
except
> > > my
> > > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > > home
> > > on
> > > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > > :
> > > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO?
(I
> > > have
> > > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
the
> > > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > > FullTime
> > > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > > :
> > > :
> > >
> > > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this
matter ;
> > > P
> > >
> > >
option. That is why seat belts are installed in motor vehicles--to keep the
people in the car. That said, sometimes it works.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:441AC2BE.102AB573@sympatico.ca...
> I will agree. I have been in situations where all that would work was
> the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
> the door open so I could jump.....
>
> Mike
>
> Stimpy wrote:
> >
> > Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I
remember
> > what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> > experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up
hill in
> > snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next
year.
> > Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh
virgin
> > snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and
turning
> > sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was
NOT
> > slick and icy.
> > So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> > locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> > Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too
much
> > pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> > together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my
earlier
> > excursion mentioned above)
> > No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> > tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply
the
> > brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the
hand
> > brake (could control pressure better)
> > So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and
should
> > never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in
creeping
> > along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> > "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> > news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > >
> > > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > > play
> > > in
> > > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
several
> > > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > > decided
> > > to
> > > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > > that
> > > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
sliding
> > > as
> > > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
it
> > > in
> > > a
> > > : small ditch to stop.
> > > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
the
> > > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > > back
> > > on
> > > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
the
> > > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
ice.
> > > I
> > > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > > possible
> > > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > > shinny
> > > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > > embarrassed,
> > > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage
except
> > > my
> > > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > > home
> > > on
> > > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > > :
> > > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO?
(I
> > > have
> > > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
the
> > > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > > FullTime
> > > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > > :
> > > :
> > >
> > > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this
matter ;
> > > P
> > >
> > >
#343
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
Heh, according to the statistics people, jumping is the last, most fatal
option. That is why seat belts are installed in motor vehicles--to keep the
people in the car. That said, sometimes it works.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:441AC2BE.102AB573@sympatico.ca...
> I will agree. I have been in situations where all that would work was
> the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
> the door open so I could jump.....
>
> Mike
>
> Stimpy wrote:
> >
> > Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I
remember
> > what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> > experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up
hill in
> > snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next
year.
> > Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh
virgin
> > snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and
turning
> > sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was
NOT
> > slick and icy.
> > So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> > locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> > Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too
much
> > pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> > together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my
earlier
> > excursion mentioned above)
> > No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> > tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply
the
> > brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the
hand
> > brake (could control pressure better)
> > So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and
should
> > never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in
creeping
> > along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> > "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> > news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > >
> > > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > > play
> > > in
> > > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
several
> > > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > > decided
> > > to
> > > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > > that
> > > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
sliding
> > > as
> > > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
it
> > > in
> > > a
> > > : small ditch to stop.
> > > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
the
> > > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > > back
> > > on
> > > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
the
> > > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
ice.
> > > I
> > > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > > possible
> > > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > > shinny
> > > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > > embarrassed,
> > > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage
except
> > > my
> > > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > > home
> > > on
> > > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > > :
> > > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO?
(I
> > > have
> > > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
the
> > > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > > FullTime
> > > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > > :
> > > :
> > >
> > > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this
matter ;
> > > P
> > >
> > >
option. That is why seat belts are installed in motor vehicles--to keep the
people in the car. That said, sometimes it works.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:441AC2BE.102AB573@sympatico.ca...
> I will agree. I have been in situations where all that would work was
> the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
> the door open so I could jump.....
>
> Mike
>
> Stimpy wrote:
> >
> > Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I
remember
> > what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> > experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up
hill in
> > snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next
year.
> > Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh
virgin
> > snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and
turning
> > sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was
NOT
> > slick and icy.
> > So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> > locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> > Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too
much
> > pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> > together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my
earlier
> > excursion mentioned above)
> > No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> > tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply
the
> > brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the
hand
> > brake (could control pressure better)
> > So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and
should
> > never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in
creeping
> > along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> > "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> > news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > >
> > > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > > play
> > > in
> > > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
several
> > > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > > decided
> > > to
> > > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > > that
> > > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
sliding
> > > as
> > > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
it
> > > in
> > > a
> > > : small ditch to stop.
> > > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
the
> > > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > > back
> > > on
> > > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
the
> > > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
ice.
> > > I
> > > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > > possible
> > > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > > shinny
> > > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > > embarrassed,
> > > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage
except
> > > my
> > > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > > home
> > > on
> > > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > > :
> > > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO?
(I
> > > have
> > > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
the
> > > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > > FullTime
> > > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > > :
> > > :
> > >
> > > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this
matter ;
> > > P
> > >
> > >
#344
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
Heh, according to the statistics people, jumping is the last, most fatal
option. That is why seat belts are installed in motor vehicles--to keep the
people in the car. That said, sometimes it works.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:441AC2BE.102AB573@sympatico.ca...
> I will agree. I have been in situations where all that would work was
> the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
> the door open so I could jump.....
>
> Mike
>
> Stimpy wrote:
> >
> > Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I
remember
> > what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> > experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up
hill in
> > snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next
year.
> > Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh
virgin
> > snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and
turning
> > sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was
NOT
> > slick and icy.
> > So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> > locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> > Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too
much
> > pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> > together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my
earlier
> > excursion mentioned above)
> > No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> > tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply
the
> > brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the
hand
> > brake (could control pressure better)
> > So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and
should
> > never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in
creeping
> > along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> > "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> > news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > >
> > > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > > play
> > > in
> > > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
several
> > > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > > decided
> > > to
> > > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > > that
> > > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
sliding
> > > as
> > > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
it
> > > in
> > > a
> > > : small ditch to stop.
> > > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
the
> > > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > > back
> > > on
> > > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
the
> > > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
ice.
> > > I
> > > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > > possible
> > > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > > shinny
> > > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > > embarrassed,
> > > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage
except
> > > my
> > > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > > home
> > > on
> > > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > > :
> > > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO?
(I
> > > have
> > > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
the
> > > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > > FullTime
> > > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > > :
> > > :
> > >
> > > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this
matter ;
> > > P
> > >
> > >
option. That is why seat belts are installed in motor vehicles--to keep the
people in the car. That said, sometimes it works.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:441AC2BE.102AB573@sympatico.ca...
> I will agree. I have been in situations where all that would work was
> the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
> the door open so I could jump.....
>
> Mike
>
> Stimpy wrote:
> >
> > Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I
remember
> > what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> > experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up
hill in
> > snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next
year.
> > Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh
virgin
> > snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and
turning
> > sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was
NOT
> > slick and icy.
> > So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> > locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> > Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too
much
> > pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> > together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my
earlier
> > excursion mentioned above)
> > No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> > tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply
the
> > brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the
hand
> > brake (could control pressure better)
> > So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and
should
> > never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in
creeping
> > along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> > "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> > news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > >
> > > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > > play
> > > in
> > > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
several
> > > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > > decided
> > > to
> > > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > > that
> > > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
sliding
> > > as
> > > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
it
> > > in
> > > a
> > > : small ditch to stop.
> > > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
the
> > > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > > back
> > > on
> > > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
the
> > > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
ice.
> > > I
> > > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > > possible
> > > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > > shinny
> > > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > > embarrassed,
> > > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage
except
> > > my
> > > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > > home
> > > on
> > > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > > :
> > > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO?
(I
> > > have
> > > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
the
> > > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > > FullTime
> > > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > > :
> > > :
> > >
> > > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this
matter ;
> > > P
> > >
> > >
#345
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
Heh, according to the statistics people, jumping is the last, most fatal
option. That is why seat belts are installed in motor vehicles--to keep the
people in the car. That said, sometimes it works.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:441AC2BE.102AB573@sympatico.ca...
> I will agree. I have been in situations where all that would work was
> the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
> the door open so I could jump.....
>
> Mike
>
> Stimpy wrote:
> >
> > Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I
remember
> > what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> > experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up
hill in
> > snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next
year.
> > Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh
virgin
> > snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and
turning
> > sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was
NOT
> > slick and icy.
> > So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> > locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> > Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too
much
> > pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> > together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my
earlier
> > excursion mentioned above)
> > No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> > tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply
the
> > brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the
hand
> > brake (could control pressure better)
> > So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and
should
> > never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in
creeping
> > along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> > "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> > news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > >
> > > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > > play
> > > in
> > > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
several
> > > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > > decided
> > > to
> > > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > > that
> > > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
sliding
> > > as
> > > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
it
> > > in
> > > a
> > > : small ditch to stop.
> > > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
the
> > > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > > back
> > > on
> > > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
the
> > > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
ice.
> > > I
> > > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > > possible
> > > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > > shinny
> > > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > > embarrassed,
> > > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage
except
> > > my
> > > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > > home
> > > on
> > > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > > :
> > > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO?
(I
> > > have
> > > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
the
> > > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > > FullTime
> > > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > > :
> > > :
> > >
> > > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this
matter ;
> > > P
> > >
> > >
option. That is why seat belts are installed in motor vehicles--to keep the
people in the car. That said, sometimes it works.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:441AC2BE.102AB573@sympatico.ca...
> I will agree. I have been in situations where all that would work was
> the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
> the door open so I could jump.....
>
> Mike
>
> Stimpy wrote:
> >
> > Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I
remember
> > what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> > experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up
hill in
> > snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next
year.
> > Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh
virgin
> > snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and
turning
> > sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was
NOT
> > slick and icy.
> > So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> > locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> > Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too
much
> > pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> > together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my
earlier
> > excursion mentioned above)
> > No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> > tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply
the
> > brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the
hand
> > brake (could control pressure better)
> > So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and
should
> > never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in
creeping
> > along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> > "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> > news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > >
> > > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > > play
> > > in
> > > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
several
> > > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > > decided
> > > to
> > > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > > that
> > > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
sliding
> > > as
> > > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
it
> > > in
> > > a
> > > : small ditch to stop.
> > > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
the
> > > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > > back
> > > on
> > > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
the
> > > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
ice.
> > > I
> > > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > > possible
> > > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > > shinny
> > > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > > embarrassed,
> > > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage
except
> > > my
> > > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > > home
> > > on
> > > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > > :
> > > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO?
(I
> > > have
> > > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
the
> > > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > > FullTime
> > > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > > :
> > > :
> > >
> > > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this
matter ;
> > > P
> > >
> > >
#346
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
If I am sliding at 1/2 mile an hour toward that cliff and it just isn't
going to pull out, well..... Going over wasn't a survivable option.
Screw the seat belt, I have the door open... Only ever had to do that
twice, both times in the Canadian Rockies and both in the last 2wd truck
we owned before the Jeep.... That convinced us we needed a real 4x4 to
get out where we like to explore.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Heh, according to the statistics people, jumping is the last, most fatal
> option. That is why seat belts are installed in motor vehicles--to keep the
> people in the car. That said, sometimes it works.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:441AC2BE.102AB573@sympatico.ca...
> > I will agree. I have been in situations where all that would work was
> > the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
> > the door open so I could jump.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Stimpy wrote:
> > >
> > > Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I
> remember
> > > what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> > > experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up
> hill in
> > > snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next
> year.
> > > Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh
> virgin
> > > snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and
> turning
> > > sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was
> NOT
> > > slick and icy.
> > > So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> > > locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> > > Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too
> much
> > > pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> > > together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my
> earlier
> > > excursion mentioned above)
> > > No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> > > tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply
> the
> > > brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the
> hand
> > > brake (could control pressure better)
> > > So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and
> should
> > > never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in
> creeping
> > > along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> > > "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> > > news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > > > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > > > play
> > > > in
> > > > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
> several
> > > > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > > > decided
> > > > to
> > > > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > > > that
> > > > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
> sliding
> > > > as
> > > > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
> it
> > > > in
> > > > a
> > > > : small ditch to stop.
> > > > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
> the
> > > > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > > > back
> > > > on
> > > > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
> the
> > > > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
> ice.
> > > > I
> > > > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > > > possible
> > > > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > > > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > > > shinny
> > > > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > > > embarrassed,
> > > > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage
> except
> > > > my
> > > > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > > > home
> > > > on
> > > > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > > > :
> > > > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > > > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO?
> (I
> > > > have
> > > > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
> the
> > > > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > > > FullTime
> > > > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > > > :
> > > > :
> > > >
> > > > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this
> matter ;
> > > > P
> > > >
> > > >
going to pull out, well..... Going over wasn't a survivable option.
Screw the seat belt, I have the door open... Only ever had to do that
twice, both times in the Canadian Rockies and both in the last 2wd truck
we owned before the Jeep.... That convinced us we needed a real 4x4 to
get out where we like to explore.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Heh, according to the statistics people, jumping is the last, most fatal
> option. That is why seat belts are installed in motor vehicles--to keep the
> people in the car. That said, sometimes it works.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:441AC2BE.102AB573@sympatico.ca...
> > I will agree. I have been in situations where all that would work was
> > the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
> > the door open so I could jump.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Stimpy wrote:
> > >
> > > Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I
> remember
> > > what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> > > experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up
> hill in
> > > snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next
> year.
> > > Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh
> virgin
> > > snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and
> turning
> > > sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was
> NOT
> > > slick and icy.
> > > So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> > > locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> > > Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too
> much
> > > pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> > > together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my
> earlier
> > > excursion mentioned above)
> > > No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> > > tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply
> the
> > > brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the
> hand
> > > brake (could control pressure better)
> > > So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and
> should
> > > never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in
> creeping
> > > along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> > > "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> > > news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > > > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > > > play
> > > > in
> > > > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
> several
> > > > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > > > decided
> > > > to
> > > > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > > > that
> > > > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
> sliding
> > > > as
> > > > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
> it
> > > > in
> > > > a
> > > > : small ditch to stop.
> > > > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
> the
> > > > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > > > back
> > > > on
> > > > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
> the
> > > > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
> ice.
> > > > I
> > > > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > > > possible
> > > > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > > > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > > > shinny
> > > > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > > > embarrassed,
> > > > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage
> except
> > > > my
> > > > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > > > home
> > > > on
> > > > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > > > :
> > > > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > > > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO?
> (I
> > > > have
> > > > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
> the
> > > > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > > > FullTime
> > > > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > > > :
> > > > :
> > > >
> > > > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this
> matter ;
> > > > P
> > > >
> > > >
#347
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
If I am sliding at 1/2 mile an hour toward that cliff and it just isn't
going to pull out, well..... Going over wasn't a survivable option.
Screw the seat belt, I have the door open... Only ever had to do that
twice, both times in the Canadian Rockies and both in the last 2wd truck
we owned before the Jeep.... That convinced us we needed a real 4x4 to
get out where we like to explore.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Heh, according to the statistics people, jumping is the last, most fatal
> option. That is why seat belts are installed in motor vehicles--to keep the
> people in the car. That said, sometimes it works.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:441AC2BE.102AB573@sympatico.ca...
> > I will agree. I have been in situations where all that would work was
> > the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
> > the door open so I could jump.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Stimpy wrote:
> > >
> > > Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I
> remember
> > > what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> > > experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up
> hill in
> > > snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next
> year.
> > > Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh
> virgin
> > > snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and
> turning
> > > sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was
> NOT
> > > slick and icy.
> > > So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> > > locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> > > Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too
> much
> > > pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> > > together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my
> earlier
> > > excursion mentioned above)
> > > No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> > > tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply
> the
> > > brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the
> hand
> > > brake (could control pressure better)
> > > So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and
> should
> > > never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in
> creeping
> > > along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> > > "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> > > news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > > > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > > > play
> > > > in
> > > > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
> several
> > > > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > > > decided
> > > > to
> > > > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > > > that
> > > > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
> sliding
> > > > as
> > > > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
> it
> > > > in
> > > > a
> > > > : small ditch to stop.
> > > > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
> the
> > > > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > > > back
> > > > on
> > > > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
> the
> > > > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
> ice.
> > > > I
> > > > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > > > possible
> > > > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > > > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > > > shinny
> > > > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > > > embarrassed,
> > > > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage
> except
> > > > my
> > > > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > > > home
> > > > on
> > > > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > > > :
> > > > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > > > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO?
> (I
> > > > have
> > > > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
> the
> > > > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > > > FullTime
> > > > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > > > :
> > > > :
> > > >
> > > > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this
> matter ;
> > > > P
> > > >
> > > >
going to pull out, well..... Going over wasn't a survivable option.
Screw the seat belt, I have the door open... Only ever had to do that
twice, both times in the Canadian Rockies and both in the last 2wd truck
we owned before the Jeep.... That convinced us we needed a real 4x4 to
get out where we like to explore.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Heh, according to the statistics people, jumping is the last, most fatal
> option. That is why seat belts are installed in motor vehicles--to keep the
> people in the car. That said, sometimes it works.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:441AC2BE.102AB573@sympatico.ca...
> > I will agree. I have been in situations where all that would work was
> > the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
> > the door open so I could jump.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Stimpy wrote:
> > >
> > > Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I
> remember
> > > what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> > > experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up
> hill in
> > > snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next
> year.
> > > Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh
> virgin
> > > snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and
> turning
> > > sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was
> NOT
> > > slick and icy.
> > > So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> > > locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> > > Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too
> much
> > > pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> > > together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my
> earlier
> > > excursion mentioned above)
> > > No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> > > tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply
> the
> > > brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the
> hand
> > > brake (could control pressure better)
> > > So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and
> should
> > > never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in
> creeping
> > > along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> > > "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> > > news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > > > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > > > play
> > > > in
> > > > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
> several
> > > > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > > > decided
> > > > to
> > > > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > > > that
> > > > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
> sliding
> > > > as
> > > > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
> it
> > > > in
> > > > a
> > > > : small ditch to stop.
> > > > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
> the
> > > > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > > > back
> > > > on
> > > > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
> the
> > > > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
> ice.
> > > > I
> > > > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > > > possible
> > > > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > > > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > > > shinny
> > > > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > > > embarrassed,
> > > > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage
> except
> > > > my
> > > > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > > > home
> > > > on
> > > > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > > > :
> > > > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > > > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO?
> (I
> > > > have
> > > > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
> the
> > > > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > > > FullTime
> > > > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > > > :
> > > > :
> > > >
> > > > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this
> matter ;
> > > > P
> > > >
> > > >
#348
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
If I am sliding at 1/2 mile an hour toward that cliff and it just isn't
going to pull out, well..... Going over wasn't a survivable option.
Screw the seat belt, I have the door open... Only ever had to do that
twice, both times in the Canadian Rockies and both in the last 2wd truck
we owned before the Jeep.... That convinced us we needed a real 4x4 to
get out where we like to explore.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Heh, according to the statistics people, jumping is the last, most fatal
> option. That is why seat belts are installed in motor vehicles--to keep the
> people in the car. That said, sometimes it works.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:441AC2BE.102AB573@sympatico.ca...
> > I will agree. I have been in situations where all that would work was
> > the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
> > the door open so I could jump.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Stimpy wrote:
> > >
> > > Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I
> remember
> > > what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> > > experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up
> hill in
> > > snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next
> year.
> > > Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh
> virgin
> > > snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and
> turning
> > > sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was
> NOT
> > > slick and icy.
> > > So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> > > locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> > > Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too
> much
> > > pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> > > together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my
> earlier
> > > excursion mentioned above)
> > > No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> > > tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply
> the
> > > brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the
> hand
> > > brake (could control pressure better)
> > > So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and
> should
> > > never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in
> creeping
> > > along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> > > "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> > > news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > > > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > > > play
> > > > in
> > > > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
> several
> > > > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > > > decided
> > > > to
> > > > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > > > that
> > > > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
> sliding
> > > > as
> > > > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
> it
> > > > in
> > > > a
> > > > : small ditch to stop.
> > > > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
> the
> > > > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > > > back
> > > > on
> > > > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
> the
> > > > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
> ice.
> > > > I
> > > > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > > > possible
> > > > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > > > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > > > shinny
> > > > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > > > embarrassed,
> > > > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage
> except
> > > > my
> > > > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > > > home
> > > > on
> > > > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > > > :
> > > > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > > > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO?
> (I
> > > > have
> > > > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
> the
> > > > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > > > FullTime
> > > > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > > > :
> > > > :
> > > >
> > > > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this
> matter ;
> > > > P
> > > >
> > > >
going to pull out, well..... Going over wasn't a survivable option.
Screw the seat belt, I have the door open... Only ever had to do that
twice, both times in the Canadian Rockies and both in the last 2wd truck
we owned before the Jeep.... That convinced us we needed a real 4x4 to
get out where we like to explore.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Heh, according to the statistics people, jumping is the last, most fatal
> option. That is why seat belts are installed in motor vehicles--to keep the
> people in the car. That said, sometimes it works.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:441AC2BE.102AB573@sympatico.ca...
> > I will agree. I have been in situations where all that would work was
> > the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
> > the door open so I could jump.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Stimpy wrote:
> > >
> > > Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I
> remember
> > > what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> > > experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up
> hill in
> > > snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next
> year.
> > > Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh
> virgin
> > > snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and
> turning
> > > sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was
> NOT
> > > slick and icy.
> > > So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> > > locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> > > Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too
> much
> > > pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> > > together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my
> earlier
> > > excursion mentioned above)
> > > No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> > > tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply
> the
> > > brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the
> hand
> > > brake (could control pressure better)
> > > So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and
> should
> > > never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in
> creeping
> > > along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> > > "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> > > news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > > > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > > > play
> > > > in
> > > > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
> several
> > > > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > > > decided
> > > > to
> > > > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > > > that
> > > > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
> sliding
> > > > as
> > > > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
> it
> > > > in
> > > > a
> > > > : small ditch to stop.
> > > > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
> the
> > > > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > > > back
> > > > on
> > > > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
> the
> > > > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
> ice.
> > > > I
> > > > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > > > possible
> > > > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > > > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > > > shinny
> > > > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > > > embarrassed,
> > > > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage
> except
> > > > my
> > > > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > > > home
> > > > on
> > > > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > > > :
> > > > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > > > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO?
> (I
> > > > have
> > > > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
> the
> > > > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > > > FullTime
> > > > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > > > :
> > > > :
> > > >
> > > > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this
> matter ;
> > > > P
> > > >
> > > >
#349
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
If I am sliding at 1/2 mile an hour toward that cliff and it just isn't
going to pull out, well..... Going over wasn't a survivable option.
Screw the seat belt, I have the door open... Only ever had to do that
twice, both times in the Canadian Rockies and both in the last 2wd truck
we owned before the Jeep.... That convinced us we needed a real 4x4 to
get out where we like to explore.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Heh, according to the statistics people, jumping is the last, most fatal
> option. That is why seat belts are installed in motor vehicles--to keep the
> people in the car. That said, sometimes it works.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:441AC2BE.102AB573@sympatico.ca...
> > I will agree. I have been in situations where all that would work was
> > the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
> > the door open so I could jump.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Stimpy wrote:
> > >
> > > Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I
> remember
> > > what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> > > experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up
> hill in
> > > snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next
> year.
> > > Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh
> virgin
> > > snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and
> turning
> > > sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was
> NOT
> > > slick and icy.
> > > So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> > > locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> > > Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too
> much
> > > pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> > > together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my
> earlier
> > > excursion mentioned above)
> > > No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> > > tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply
> the
> > > brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the
> hand
> > > brake (could control pressure better)
> > > So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and
> should
> > > never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in
> creeping
> > > along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> > > "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> > > news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > > > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > > > play
> > > > in
> > > > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
> several
> > > > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > > > decided
> > > > to
> > > > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > > > that
> > > > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
> sliding
> > > > as
> > > > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
> it
> > > > in
> > > > a
> > > > : small ditch to stop.
> > > > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
> the
> > > > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > > > back
> > > > on
> > > > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
> the
> > > > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
> ice.
> > > > I
> > > > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > > > possible
> > > > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > > > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > > > shinny
> > > > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > > > embarrassed,
> > > > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage
> except
> > > > my
> > > > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > > > home
> > > > on
> > > > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > > > :
> > > > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > > > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO?
> (I
> > > > have
> > > > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
> the
> > > > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > > > FullTime
> > > > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > > > :
> > > > :
> > > >
> > > > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this
> matter ;
> > > > P
> > > >
> > > >
going to pull out, well..... Going over wasn't a survivable option.
Screw the seat belt, I have the door open... Only ever had to do that
twice, both times in the Canadian Rockies and both in the last 2wd truck
we owned before the Jeep.... That convinced us we needed a real 4x4 to
get out where we like to explore.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Heh, according to the statistics people, jumping is the last, most fatal
> option. That is why seat belts are installed in motor vehicles--to keep the
> people in the car. That said, sometimes it works.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:441AC2BE.102AB573@sympatico.ca...
> > I will agree. I have been in situations where all that would work was
> > the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
> > the door open so I could jump.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Stimpy wrote:
> > >
> > > Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I
> remember
> > > what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> > > experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up
> hill in
> > > snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next
> year.
> > > Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh
> virgin
> > > snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and
> turning
> > > sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was
> NOT
> > > slick and icy.
> > > So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> > > locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> > > Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too
> much
> > > pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> > > together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my
> earlier
> > > excursion mentioned above)
> > > No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> > > tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply
> the
> > > brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the
> hand
> > > brake (could control pressure better)
> > > So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and
> should
> > > never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in
> creeping
> > > along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> > > "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> > > news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > > > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > > > play
> > > > in
> > > > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up
> several
> > > > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > > > decided
> > > > to
> > > > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > > > that
> > > > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start
> sliding
> > > > as
> > > > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put
> it
> > > > in
> > > > a
> > > > : small ditch to stop.
> > > > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over
> the
> > > > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > > > back
> > > > on
> > > > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on
> the
> > > > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like
> ice.
> > > > I
> > > > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > > > possible
> > > > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > > > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > > > shinny
> > > > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > > > embarrassed,
> > > > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage
> except
> > > > my
> > > > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > > > home
> > > > on
> > > > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > > > :
> > > > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > > > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO?
> (I
> > > > have
> > > > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in
> the
> > > > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > > > FullTime
> > > > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > > > :
> > > > :
> > > >
> > > > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this
> matter ;
> > > > P
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: Close Call!
Whomever your teacher was never drove on ice very much. And no, engine
braking is a plot ------ by the body shop and tow truck mafia to lure
the inexperienced.
4X4PLAY proclaimed:
> If you were in 4low the light on the dash should read part time...
> I was always taught that if you are in neutral you are out of control...
> Isn't the best way down supposed to be with engine compression, no brakes
> and no clutch??
>
> Jeff
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:jNGdnXhhBavdVonZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>Ayup, driving stick shifts in areas where icy bridges, shaded corners,
>>etc. exist, I'd always keep a foot right on the clutch ready to de-clutch
>>immediately try to get a wheel to start gaining a few micro-ounces of
>>traction.
>>
>>philthy proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>>you would not believe how much a vehicle recovers when putting it into
>>>neutral
>>>as it is sliding
>>>
>>>Stimpy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play
>>>>in
>>>>the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
>>>>times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided
>>>>to
>>>>turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that
>>>>point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding
>>>>as
>>>>soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it
>>>>in a
>>>>small ditch to stop.
>>>>I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
>>>>ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back
>>>>on
>>>>the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
>>>>road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice.
>>>>I
>>>>couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible
>>>>using the hand brake and the compression.
>>>>After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
>>>>shinny
>>>>new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
>>>>embarrassed,
>>>>me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my
>>>>ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home
>>>>on
>>>>dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
>>>>
>>>>OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
>>>>experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
>>>>have
>>>>the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
>>>>right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
>>>>FullTime
>>>>before trying to get it in 4LO.
>>>
>
braking is a plot ------ by the body shop and tow truck mafia to lure
the inexperienced.
4X4PLAY proclaimed:
> If you were in 4low the light on the dash should read part time...
> I was always taught that if you are in neutral you are out of control...
> Isn't the best way down supposed to be with engine compression, no brakes
> and no clutch??
>
> Jeff
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:jNGdnXhhBavdVonZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>Ayup, driving stick shifts in areas where icy bridges, shaded corners,
>>etc. exist, I'd always keep a foot right on the clutch ready to de-clutch
>>immediately try to get a wheel to start gaining a few micro-ounces of
>>traction.
>>
>>philthy proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>>you would not believe how much a vehicle recovers when putting it into
>>>neutral
>>>as it is sliding
>>>
>>>Stimpy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to play
>>>>in
>>>>the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
>>>>times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I decided
>>>>to
>>>>turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from that
>>>>point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding
>>>>as
>>>>soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it
>>>>in a
>>>>small ditch to stop.
>>>>I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
>>>>ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get back
>>>>on
>>>>the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
>>>>road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice.
>>>>I
>>>>couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as possible
>>>>using the hand brake and the compression.
>>>>After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
>>>>shinny
>>>>new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
>>>>embarrassed,
>>>>me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except my
>>>>ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way home
>>>>on
>>>>dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
>>>>
>>>>OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
>>>>experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
>>>>have
>>>>the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
>>>>right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
>>>>FullTime
>>>>before trying to get it in 4LO.
>>>
>