billy ray

Succession sounds like a good idea. I do not think Washington would object
to the creation of another conservative state.


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:1eWdnSMbrYPiuIfZRVn-tQ@comcast.com...
> Yep, like I said...
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:441891CA.5428E3CB@***.net...
>> San Diego votes conservative. We really wish we could secede from
>> Kalifornia, if it wasn't for their water, it would have been a done
>> deal! I'm tired of paying their taxes! Hopefully Barbara Boxer, and
>> Dianne Feinstein you've seen make fools of themselves will be replaced
>> in November.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>
>>> Plenty in San Diego, too...
>
>

billy ray

Succession sounds like a good idea. I do not think Washington would object
to the creation of another conservative state.


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:1eWdnSMbrYPiuIfZRVn-tQ@comcast.com...
> Yep, like I said...
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:441891CA.5428E3CB@***.net...
>> San Diego votes conservative. We really wish we could secede from
>> Kalifornia, if it wasn't for their water, it would have been a done
>> deal! I'm tired of paying their taxes! Hopefully Barbara Boxer, and
>> Dianne Feinstein you've seen make fools of themselves will be replaced
>> in November.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>
>>> Plenty in San Diego, too...
>
>

billy ray

Succession sounds like a good idea. I do not think Washington would object
to the creation of another conservative state.


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:1eWdnSMbrYPiuIfZRVn-tQ@comcast.com...
> Yep, like I said...
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:441891CA.5428E3CB@***.net...
>> San Diego votes conservative. We really wish we could secede from
>> Kalifornia, if it wasn't for their water, it would have been a done
>> deal! I'm tired of paying their taxes! Hopefully Barbara Boxer, and
>> Dianne Feinstein you've seen make fools of themselves will be replaced
>> in November.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>
>>> Plenty in San Diego, too...
>
>

Will Honea

You miss a key parameter here, Earle. 4WD provides 4 traction points
for "go", it does squat all for "whoa" - the brakes provide 4 wheel
energy for that little detail. All the 4WD does is to help transfer
whatever resistance it can find to the engine. Allowing any wheel or
wheels to roll means that the rolling wheel has the potential to
supply at least SOME traction available to either slow or steer that
4-pt. hockey puck you are riding. If that rolling wheel has enough
traction to allow you to steer and regain control, then it can then be
used via brakes, etc. to attempt to slow the vehicle which is, by
definition, already moving. Once moving, 4WD does nothing for
stopping unless at least some of the wheels are rolling, indicating
that there is some additional friction available to be applied to
braking - by whatwver means you like.

That's all well and good for theory but like you, I doubt the average
driver, or even the highly skilled ones, has reaction times and
situational awareness enough to do much besides hold on when it's as
slick as we seem to be talking.

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:54:09 UTC "Earle Horton"
<nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote:

> Mike, I am a physicist (well I used to be) but I will be the first to admit
> that a lot of this stuff you are talking about, cannot be described well in
> precise physical terms. It just happens too darn fast. I would not
> recommend trying to shift into two wheel drive when sliding out of control,
> because it would take too long, and even then if you regain directional
> control, there you are in two wheel drive with reduced traction. Getting on
> the gas to point the vehicle downhill seems like the best bet, and I have
> done it, but it's kind of scary.
>
> I think that the main point to be gained from this thread, is that anyone
> with aspirations of becoming a "four wheeler", whatever that means to you,
> better practice on the easy stuff first.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44197463.CBFA0E46@sympatico.ca...
> > Spdloader wrote:
> > >
> > > What I reccommend is AFTER the fact. AFTER you lose control. I have said
> > > over and over again it was how to regain control, and it only takes a
> second
> > > to do. Is it dangerous? YES. Is it more dangerous than sliding sideways
> down
> > > an embankment towards a busy interstate, or towards a sheer cliff? NO.
> > > Even in the slide you suggested I try in a parking lot by using the
> > > emergency brake only. If you immediately slip the trans into neutral,
> you'll
> > > almost immediately gain DIRECTIONAL control of the vehicle.
> > > >
> >
> > Sorry, but there is just the one big point you don't seem to grasp about
> > part time 4x4.... It 'locks' the front and rear axles together.
> >
> > When the back wheels are locked by the emergency brake, the front wheels
> > 'CANNOT' rotate!
> >
> > When the front brakes are locked, the rear wheels 'CANNOT' rotate even
> > with the proportioning valve.
> >
> > You can 'Not' regain control by using neutral in part time 4x4 because
> > the front and rear axles are locked together and one 'must' scuff which
> > loses traction.
> >
> > If you are sliding down a hill sideways, you 'can' dump the shifter to 2
> > wheel drive and 'then' use neutral to attempt to regain directional
> > control.
> >
> > You 'cannot' do this with the front and rear locked together unless you
> > get 'on' the gas to pull the front end around.
> >
> > It is just physically impossible in part time 4x4.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
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Will Honea

You miss a key parameter here, Earle. 4WD provides 4 traction points
for "go", it does squat all for "whoa" - the brakes provide 4 wheel
energy for that little detail. All the 4WD does is to help transfer
whatever resistance it can find to the engine. Allowing any wheel or
wheels to roll means that the rolling wheel has the potential to
supply at least SOME traction available to either slow or steer that
4-pt. hockey puck you are riding. If that rolling wheel has enough
traction to allow you to steer and regain control, then it can then be
used via brakes, etc. to attempt to slow the vehicle which is, by
definition, already moving. Once moving, 4WD does nothing for
stopping unless at least some of the wheels are rolling, indicating
that there is some additional friction available to be applied to
braking - by whatwver means you like.

That's all well and good for theory but like you, I doubt the average
driver, or even the highly skilled ones, has reaction times and
situational awareness enough to do much besides hold on when it's as
slick as we seem to be talking.

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:54:09 UTC "Earle Horton"
<nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote:

> Mike, I am a physicist (well I used to be) but I will be the first to admit
> that a lot of this stuff you are talking about, cannot be described well in
> precise physical terms. It just happens too darn fast. I would not
> recommend trying to shift into two wheel drive when sliding out of control,
> because it would take too long, and even then if you regain directional
> control, there you are in two wheel drive with reduced traction. Getting on
> the gas to point the vehicle downhill seems like the best bet, and I have
> done it, but it's kind of scary.
>
> I think that the main point to be gained from this thread, is that anyone
> with aspirations of becoming a "four wheeler", whatever that means to you,
> better practice on the easy stuff first.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44197463.CBFA0E46@sympatico.ca...
> > Spdloader wrote:
> > >
> > > What I reccommend is AFTER the fact. AFTER you lose control. I have said
> > > over and over again it was how to regain control, and it only takes a
> second
> > > to do. Is it dangerous? YES. Is it more dangerous than sliding sideways
> down
> > > an embankment towards a busy interstate, or towards a sheer cliff? NO.
> > > Even in the slide you suggested I try in a parking lot by using the
> > > emergency brake only. If you immediately slip the trans into neutral,
> you'll
> > > almost immediately gain DIRECTIONAL control of the vehicle.
> > > >
> >
> > Sorry, but there is just the one big point you don't seem to grasp about
> > part time 4x4.... It 'locks' the front and rear axles together.
> >
> > When the back wheels are locked by the emergency brake, the front wheels
> > 'CANNOT' rotate!
> >
> > When the front brakes are locked, the rear wheels 'CANNOT' rotate even
> > with the proportioning valve.
> >
> > You can 'Not' regain control by using neutral in part time 4x4 because
> > the front and rear axles are locked together and one 'must' scuff which
> > loses traction.
> >
> > If you are sliding down a hill sideways, you 'can' dump the shifter to 2
> > wheel drive and 'then' use neutral to attempt to regain directional
> > control.
> >
> > You 'cannot' do this with the front and rear locked together unless you
> > get 'on' the gas to pull the front end around.
> >
> > It is just physically impossible in part time 4x4.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
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Will Honea

Will Honea

You miss a key parameter here, Earle. 4WD provides 4 traction points
for "go", it does squat all for "whoa" - the brakes provide 4 wheel
energy for that little detail. All the 4WD does is to help transfer
whatever resistance it can find to the engine. Allowing any wheel or
wheels to roll means that the rolling wheel has the potential to
supply at least SOME traction available to either slow or steer that
4-pt. hockey puck you are riding. If that rolling wheel has enough
traction to allow you to steer and regain control, then it can then be
used via brakes, etc. to attempt to slow the vehicle which is, by
definition, already moving. Once moving, 4WD does nothing for
stopping unless at least some of the wheels are rolling, indicating
that there is some additional friction available to be applied to
braking - by whatwver means you like.

That's all well and good for theory but like you, I doubt the average
driver, or even the highly skilled ones, has reaction times and
situational awareness enough to do much besides hold on when it's as
slick as we seem to be talking.

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:54:09 UTC "Earle Horton"
<nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote:

> Mike, I am a physicist (well I used to be) but I will be the first to admit
> that a lot of this stuff you are talking about, cannot be described well in
> precise physical terms. It just happens too darn fast. I would not
> recommend trying to shift into two wheel drive when sliding out of control,
> because it would take too long, and even then if you regain directional
> control, there you are in two wheel drive with reduced traction. Getting on
> the gas to point the vehicle downhill seems like the best bet, and I have
> done it, but it's kind of scary.
>
> I think that the main point to be gained from this thread, is that anyone
> with aspirations of becoming a "four wheeler", whatever that means to you,
> better practice on the easy stuff first.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44197463.CBFA0E46@sympatico.ca...
> > Spdloader wrote:
> > >
> > > What I reccommend is AFTER the fact. AFTER you lose control. I have said
> > > over and over again it was how to regain control, and it only takes a
> second
> > > to do. Is it dangerous? YES. Is it more dangerous than sliding sideways
> down
> > > an embankment towards a busy interstate, or towards a sheer cliff? NO.
> > > Even in the slide you suggested I try in a parking lot by using the
> > > emergency brake only. If you immediately slip the trans into neutral,
> you'll
> > > almost immediately gain DIRECTIONAL control of the vehicle.
> > > >
> >
> > Sorry, but there is just the one big point you don't seem to grasp about
> > part time 4x4.... It 'locks' the front and rear axles together.
> >
> > When the back wheels are locked by the emergency brake, the front wheels
> > 'CANNOT' rotate!
> >
> > When the front brakes are locked, the rear wheels 'CANNOT' rotate even
> > with the proportioning valve.
> >
> > You can 'Not' regain control by using neutral in part time 4x4 because
> > the front and rear axles are locked together and one 'must' scuff which
> > loses traction.
> >
> > If you are sliding down a hill sideways, you 'can' dump the shifter to 2
> > wheel drive and 'then' use neutral to attempt to regain directional
> > control.
> >
> > You 'cannot' do this with the front and rear locked together unless you
> > get 'on' the gas to pull the front end around.
> >
> > It is just physically impossible in part time 4x4.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
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Will Honea

You miss a key parameter here, Earle. 4WD provides 4 traction points
for "go", it does squat all for "whoa" - the brakes provide 4 wheel
energy for that little detail. All the 4WD does is to help transfer
whatever resistance it can find to the engine. Allowing any wheel or
wheels to roll means that the rolling wheel has the potential to
supply at least SOME traction available to either slow or steer that
4-pt. hockey puck you are riding. If that rolling wheel has enough
traction to allow you to steer and regain control, then it can then be
used via brakes, etc. to attempt to slow the vehicle which is, by
definition, already moving. Once moving, 4WD does nothing for
stopping unless at least some of the wheels are rolling, indicating
that there is some additional friction available to be applied to
braking - by whatwver means you like.

That's all well and good for theory but like you, I doubt the average
driver, or even the highly skilled ones, has reaction times and
situational awareness enough to do much besides hold on when it's as
slick as we seem to be talking.

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:54:09 UTC "Earle Horton"
<nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote:

> Mike, I am a physicist (well I used to be) but I will be the first to admit
> that a lot of this stuff you are talking about, cannot be described well in
> precise physical terms. It just happens too darn fast. I would not
> recommend trying to shift into two wheel drive when sliding out of control,
> because it would take too long, and even then if you regain directional
> control, there you are in two wheel drive with reduced traction. Getting on
> the gas to point the vehicle downhill seems like the best bet, and I have
> done it, but it's kind of scary.
>
> I think that the main point to be gained from this thread, is that anyone
> with aspirations of becoming a "four wheeler", whatever that means to you,
> better practice on the easy stuff first.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44197463.CBFA0E46@sympatico.ca...
> > Spdloader wrote:
> > >
> > > What I reccommend is AFTER the fact. AFTER you lose control. I have said
> > > over and over again it was how to regain control, and it only takes a
> second
> > > to do. Is it dangerous? YES. Is it more dangerous than sliding sideways
> down
> > > an embankment towards a busy interstate, or towards a sheer cliff? NO.
> > > Even in the slide you suggested I try in a parking lot by using the
> > > emergency brake only. If you immediately slip the trans into neutral,
> you'll
> > > almost immediately gain DIRECTIONAL control of the vehicle.
> > > >
> >
> > Sorry, but there is just the one big point you don't seem to grasp about
> > part time 4x4.... It 'locks' the front and rear axles together.
> >
> > When the back wheels are locked by the emergency brake, the front wheels
> > 'CANNOT' rotate!
> >
> > When the front brakes are locked, the rear wheels 'CANNOT' rotate even
> > with the proportioning valve.
> >
> > You can 'Not' regain control by using neutral in part time 4x4 because
> > the front and rear axles are locked together and one 'must' scuff which
> > loses traction.
> >
> > If you are sliding down a hill sideways, you 'can' dump the shifter to 2
> > wheel drive and 'then' use neutral to attempt to regain directional
> > control.
> >
> > You 'cannot' do this with the front and rear locked together unless you
> > get 'on' the gas to pull the front end around.
> >
> > It is just physically impossible in part time 4x4.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
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Mike Romain

I will agree. I have been in situations where all that would work was
the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
the door open so I could jump.....

Mike

Stimpy wrote:
>
> Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I remember
> what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up hill in
> snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next year.
> Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh virgin
> snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and turning
> sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was NOT
> slick and icy.
> So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too much
> pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my earlier
> excursion mentioned above)
> No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply the
> brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the hand
> brake (could control pressure better)
> So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and should
> never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in creeping
> along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> >
> > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > play
> > in
> > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
> > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > decided
> > to
> > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > that
> > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding
> > as
> > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it
> > in
> > a
> > : small ditch to stop.
> > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > back
> > on
> > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
> > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice.
> > I
> > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > possible
> > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > shinny
> > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > embarrassed,
> > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except
> > my
> > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > home
> > on
> > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > :
> > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
> > have
> > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > FullTime
> > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > :
> > :
> >
> > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this matter ;
> > P
> >
> >

Mike Romain

I will agree. I have been in situations where all that would work was
the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
the door open so I could jump.....

Mike

Stimpy wrote:
>
> Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I remember
> what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up hill in
> snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next year.
> Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh virgin
> snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and turning
> sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was NOT
> slick and icy.
> So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too much
> pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my earlier
> excursion mentioned above)
> No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply the
> brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the hand
> brake (could control pressure better)
> So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and should
> never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in creeping
> along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> >
> > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > play
> > in
> > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
> > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > decided
> > to
> > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > that
> > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding
> > as
> > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it
> > in
> > a
> > : small ditch to stop.
> > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > back
> > on
> > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
> > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice.
> > I
> > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > possible
> > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > shinny
> > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > embarrassed,
> > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except
> > my
> > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > home
> > on
> > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > :
> > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
> > have
> > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > FullTime
> > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > :
> > :
> >
> > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this matter ;
> > P
> >
> >

Mike Romain

I will agree. I have been in situations where all that would work was
the hand brake and 'really' slow so I still had steering while having
the door open so I could jump.....

Mike

Stimpy wrote:
>
> Hmmm... what a busy thread! It has been educational... (Now that I remember
> what I did for 45 minutes... to go 3/4 of a mile,... I had time to
> experiment.) I tend to agree with whoever said 4 wheel Part Time up hill in
> snow, 4 wheel full time down hill. and definitely getting studs next year.
> Last year I drove around after a good storm on 6-8 inches of fresh virgin
> snow on some paved roads and it drove better uphill, stopping and turning
> sharp curves after I put it in 4 Wheel Part Time. In that case it was NOT
> slick and icy.
> So I assumed 4 part time would work on this excursion as mentioned. The
> locking of both axels in 4 part time isn't what happened though.
> Only the front end locked up when applying the brakes, if I applied too much
> pressure with the hand brake, only the back slid. The axels never locked
> together (never tried 4 full time, because of the luck I had in my earlier
> excursion mentioned above)
> No matter what gear combination I tried, 4 lo, hi part, full, (automatic
> tranny) I gained too much speed and would eventually have had to apply the
> brakes, to no avail, so hence my creeping at a walking pace using the hand
> brake (could control pressure better)
> So my conclusion is, aside from not having the right tires, etc. and should
> never have been there in the first place, I did the right thing in creeping
> along ata snails pace using the hand brake.
> "Frank-The-Tank" <*-*-*-*-*-@*-*-*-*-*.net> wrote in message
> news:Jy%Rf.178$uX5.92@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> >
> > "Stimpy" <rnwrede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:iQKQf.582$R36.143@fe03.lga...
> > : OK, I'm now still shaking from out little trip up a mountain road to
> > play
> > in
> > : the snow. We went up this seemingly harmless road I have been up several
> > : times before. I noticed sliding in some places on the way up so I
> > decided
> > to
> > : turn around (good thing I did when I did, 'cause it got steeper from
> > that
> > : point) I start down the road, not too terribly steep and I start sliding
> > as
> > : soon as my foot hits the brake ('89 XJ "Pioneer" stock) I had to put it
> > in
> > a
> > : small ditch to stop.
> > : I made my son get out (just in case) as I didn't want him going over the
> > : ravine too. I had the wheel turned back to the road but couldn't get
> > back
> > on
> > : the road, a stupid little 4-6 inch deep ditch. finally I was back on the
> > : road and started sliding again. road was packed so hard it was like ice.
> > I
> > : couldn't get it into 4LO and finally decided to creep as slow as
> > possible
> > : using the hand brake and the compression.
> > : After a half mile, almost to safety, I had to pull over and let some
> > shinny
> > : new Chevy PU 4WD pass me, he had no problems sliding and I was
> > embarrassed,
> > : me in a Jeep, doing the slide for life. All went well no damage except
> > my
> > : ego and now I am "gun-shy" about mountain roads. went 45 all the way
> > home
> > on
> > : dry pavement (pretty shook-up)
> > :
> > : OK did I do something wrong? did I do right? I have had pretty good
> > : experience in snow (fresh snow, I love it) How do I get it in 4LO? (I
> > have
> > : the 4PartTime, 4 FullTime, N, 4LO with automatic tranny) I got it in the
> > : right slot but the light on the dash said "4 PartTime" (I was in 4
> > FullTime
> > : before trying to get it in 4LO.
> > :
> > :
> >
> > It is really unfortunate that there are not more opinions on this matter ;
> > P
> >
> >