Close Call!
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Re: Close Call!
Nope. North Cackalacky.
Spdloader
"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44174b7e$0$22058$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Was that in Georgia? ;^)
>
> (Trucker I used to know called neutral downhill with a load, "Georgia
> overdrive".)
>
> Earle
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:LBHRf.64978$%84.18083@tornado.southeast.rr.co m...
>> I have saved myself from accidents more times than I can count by
>> shifting
>> to neutral, from an automatic or standard transmission.
>>
>> I learned this driving technique when I was trained to be a law
> enforcement
>> officer twenty years ago, by people trained and qualified to do so, not
>> by
>> someone that thinks what works for him in his Jeep is best for everyone.
>>
>> Shifting to neutral does not automatically make you "out of control" as
> you
>> put it, but, helps regain control of the vehicle.
>>
>> Accelerating to regain control is not the correct answer if you are
>> trying
>> to STOP the vehicle. You're just making things worse.
>>
>> Try it next time you are on ice or a slick road and pulling up to an
>> intersection, or coming up on a situation where you must stop or turn.
> Shift
>> into neutral and see for yourself under which circumstances you maintain
>> better control of your vehicle.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:44174066.7DB08BE4@sympatico.ca...
>> > That happens to us all the time coming down sand pit and ravine walls.
>> > We do these year round.
>> >
>> > Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
>> > control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
>> > break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
>> >
>> > If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
>> > wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
>> > low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels
>> > and
>> > start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
>> > the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
>> >
>> > Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
>> >
>> > Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
>> > state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
>> > control.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Vince Hodgson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 0K, here's the thing....
>> >> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in
> gear
>> >> and
>> >> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not
> turning
>> >> fast enough.
>> >>
>> >> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your
>> >> not
>> >> in
>> >> control anymore.
>> >>
>> >> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the
> brakes.
>> >> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start
>> >> to
>> >> regain control with the brake peddle.
>> >>
>> >> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's
> down
>> >> a
>> >> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
>> >> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
>> >> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>> >> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>> >> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and
>> >> > low
>> >> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
>> >> > automatic still has a LOT.
>> >> >
>> >> > Tom
>> >> >
>> >> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
>> >> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making
>> >> > > control
>> >> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly
>> >> > > hampered
>> >> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard
>> >> > > would
>> >> > > have.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>>
>>
>
>
Spdloader
"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44174b7e$0$22058$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Was that in Georgia? ;^)
>
> (Trucker I used to know called neutral downhill with a load, "Georgia
> overdrive".)
>
> Earle
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:LBHRf.64978$%84.18083@tornado.southeast.rr.co m...
>> I have saved myself from accidents more times than I can count by
>> shifting
>> to neutral, from an automatic or standard transmission.
>>
>> I learned this driving technique when I was trained to be a law
> enforcement
>> officer twenty years ago, by people trained and qualified to do so, not
>> by
>> someone that thinks what works for him in his Jeep is best for everyone.
>>
>> Shifting to neutral does not automatically make you "out of control" as
> you
>> put it, but, helps regain control of the vehicle.
>>
>> Accelerating to regain control is not the correct answer if you are
>> trying
>> to STOP the vehicle. You're just making things worse.
>>
>> Try it next time you are on ice or a slick road and pulling up to an
>> intersection, or coming up on a situation where you must stop or turn.
> Shift
>> into neutral and see for yourself under which circumstances you maintain
>> better control of your vehicle.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:44174066.7DB08BE4@sympatico.ca...
>> > That happens to us all the time coming down sand pit and ravine walls.
>> > We do these year round.
>> >
>> > Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
>> > control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
>> > break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
>> >
>> > If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
>> > wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
>> > low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels
>> > and
>> > start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
>> > the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
>> >
>> > Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
>> >
>> > Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
>> > state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
>> > control.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Vince Hodgson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 0K, here's the thing....
>> >> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in
> gear
>> >> and
>> >> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not
> turning
>> >> fast enough.
>> >>
>> >> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your
>> >> not
>> >> in
>> >> control anymore.
>> >>
>> >> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the
> brakes.
>> >> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start
>> >> to
>> >> regain control with the brake peddle.
>> >>
>> >> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's
> down
>> >> a
>> >> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
>> >> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
>> >> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>> >> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>> >> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and
>> >> > low
>> >> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
>> >> > automatic still has a LOT.
>> >> >
>> >> > Tom
>> >> >
>> >> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
>> >> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making
>> >> > > control
>> >> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly
>> >> > > hampered
>> >> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard
>> >> > > would
>> >> > > have.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>>
>>
>
>
#132
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Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
Nope. North Cackalacky.
Spdloader
"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44174b7e$0$22058$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Was that in Georgia? ;^)
>
> (Trucker I used to know called neutral downhill with a load, "Georgia
> overdrive".)
>
> Earle
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:LBHRf.64978$%84.18083@tornado.southeast.rr.co m...
>> I have saved myself from accidents more times than I can count by
>> shifting
>> to neutral, from an automatic or standard transmission.
>>
>> I learned this driving technique when I was trained to be a law
> enforcement
>> officer twenty years ago, by people trained and qualified to do so, not
>> by
>> someone that thinks what works for him in his Jeep is best for everyone.
>>
>> Shifting to neutral does not automatically make you "out of control" as
> you
>> put it, but, helps regain control of the vehicle.
>>
>> Accelerating to regain control is not the correct answer if you are
>> trying
>> to STOP the vehicle. You're just making things worse.
>>
>> Try it next time you are on ice or a slick road and pulling up to an
>> intersection, or coming up on a situation where you must stop or turn.
> Shift
>> into neutral and see for yourself under which circumstances you maintain
>> better control of your vehicle.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:44174066.7DB08BE4@sympatico.ca...
>> > That happens to us all the time coming down sand pit and ravine walls.
>> > We do these year round.
>> >
>> > Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
>> > control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
>> > break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
>> >
>> > If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
>> > wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
>> > low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels
>> > and
>> > start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
>> > the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
>> >
>> > Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
>> >
>> > Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
>> > state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
>> > control.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Vince Hodgson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 0K, here's the thing....
>> >> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in
> gear
>> >> and
>> >> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not
> turning
>> >> fast enough.
>> >>
>> >> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your
>> >> not
>> >> in
>> >> control anymore.
>> >>
>> >> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the
> brakes.
>> >> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start
>> >> to
>> >> regain control with the brake peddle.
>> >>
>> >> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's
> down
>> >> a
>> >> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
>> >> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
>> >> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>> >> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>> >> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and
>> >> > low
>> >> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
>> >> > automatic still has a LOT.
>> >> >
>> >> > Tom
>> >> >
>> >> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
>> >> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making
>> >> > > control
>> >> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly
>> >> > > hampered
>> >> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard
>> >> > > would
>> >> > > have.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>>
>>
>
>
Spdloader
"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44174b7e$0$22058$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Was that in Georgia? ;^)
>
> (Trucker I used to know called neutral downhill with a load, "Georgia
> overdrive".)
>
> Earle
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:LBHRf.64978$%84.18083@tornado.southeast.rr.co m...
>> I have saved myself from accidents more times than I can count by
>> shifting
>> to neutral, from an automatic or standard transmission.
>>
>> I learned this driving technique when I was trained to be a law
> enforcement
>> officer twenty years ago, by people trained and qualified to do so, not
>> by
>> someone that thinks what works for him in his Jeep is best for everyone.
>>
>> Shifting to neutral does not automatically make you "out of control" as
> you
>> put it, but, helps regain control of the vehicle.
>>
>> Accelerating to regain control is not the correct answer if you are
>> trying
>> to STOP the vehicle. You're just making things worse.
>>
>> Try it next time you are on ice or a slick road and pulling up to an
>> intersection, or coming up on a situation where you must stop or turn.
> Shift
>> into neutral and see for yourself under which circumstances you maintain
>> better control of your vehicle.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:44174066.7DB08BE4@sympatico.ca...
>> > That happens to us all the time coming down sand pit and ravine walls.
>> > We do these year round.
>> >
>> > Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
>> > control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
>> > break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
>> >
>> > If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
>> > wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
>> > low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels
>> > and
>> > start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
>> > the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
>> >
>> > Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
>> >
>> > Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
>> > state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
>> > control.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Vince Hodgson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 0K, here's the thing....
>> >> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in
> gear
>> >> and
>> >> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not
> turning
>> >> fast enough.
>> >>
>> >> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your
>> >> not
>> >> in
>> >> control anymore.
>> >>
>> >> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the
> brakes.
>> >> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start
>> >> to
>> >> regain control with the brake peddle.
>> >>
>> >> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's
> down
>> >> a
>> >> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
>> >> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
>> >> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>> >> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>> >> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and
>> >> > low
>> >> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
>> >> > automatic still has a LOT.
>> >> >
>> >> > Tom
>> >> >
>> >> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
>> >> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making
>> >> > > control
>> >> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly
>> >> > > hampered
>> >> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard
>> >> > > would
>> >> > > have.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>>
>>
>
>
#133
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
Nope. North Cackalacky.
Spdloader
"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44174b7e$0$22058$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Was that in Georgia? ;^)
>
> (Trucker I used to know called neutral downhill with a load, "Georgia
> overdrive".)
>
> Earle
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:LBHRf.64978$%84.18083@tornado.southeast.rr.co m...
>> I have saved myself from accidents more times than I can count by
>> shifting
>> to neutral, from an automatic or standard transmission.
>>
>> I learned this driving technique when I was trained to be a law
> enforcement
>> officer twenty years ago, by people trained and qualified to do so, not
>> by
>> someone that thinks what works for him in his Jeep is best for everyone.
>>
>> Shifting to neutral does not automatically make you "out of control" as
> you
>> put it, but, helps regain control of the vehicle.
>>
>> Accelerating to regain control is not the correct answer if you are
>> trying
>> to STOP the vehicle. You're just making things worse.
>>
>> Try it next time you are on ice or a slick road and pulling up to an
>> intersection, or coming up on a situation where you must stop or turn.
> Shift
>> into neutral and see for yourself under which circumstances you maintain
>> better control of your vehicle.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:44174066.7DB08BE4@sympatico.ca...
>> > That happens to us all the time coming down sand pit and ravine walls.
>> > We do these year round.
>> >
>> > Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
>> > control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
>> > break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
>> >
>> > If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
>> > wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
>> > low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels
>> > and
>> > start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
>> > the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
>> >
>> > Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
>> >
>> > Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
>> > state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
>> > control.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Vince Hodgson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 0K, here's the thing....
>> >> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in
> gear
>> >> and
>> >> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not
> turning
>> >> fast enough.
>> >>
>> >> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your
>> >> not
>> >> in
>> >> control anymore.
>> >>
>> >> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the
> brakes.
>> >> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start
>> >> to
>> >> regain control with the brake peddle.
>> >>
>> >> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's
> down
>> >> a
>> >> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
>> >> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
>> >> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>> >> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>> >> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and
>> >> > low
>> >> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
>> >> > automatic still has a LOT.
>> >> >
>> >> > Tom
>> >> >
>> >> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
>> >> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making
>> >> > > control
>> >> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly
>> >> > > hampered
>> >> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard
>> >> > > would
>> >> > > have.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>>
>>
>
>
Spdloader
"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44174b7e$0$22058$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Was that in Georgia? ;^)
>
> (Trucker I used to know called neutral downhill with a load, "Georgia
> overdrive".)
>
> Earle
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:LBHRf.64978$%84.18083@tornado.southeast.rr.co m...
>> I have saved myself from accidents more times than I can count by
>> shifting
>> to neutral, from an automatic or standard transmission.
>>
>> I learned this driving technique when I was trained to be a law
> enforcement
>> officer twenty years ago, by people trained and qualified to do so, not
>> by
>> someone that thinks what works for him in his Jeep is best for everyone.
>>
>> Shifting to neutral does not automatically make you "out of control" as
> you
>> put it, but, helps regain control of the vehicle.
>>
>> Accelerating to regain control is not the correct answer if you are
>> trying
>> to STOP the vehicle. You're just making things worse.
>>
>> Try it next time you are on ice or a slick road and pulling up to an
>> intersection, or coming up on a situation where you must stop or turn.
> Shift
>> into neutral and see for yourself under which circumstances you maintain
>> better control of your vehicle.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:44174066.7DB08BE4@sympatico.ca...
>> > That happens to us all the time coming down sand pit and ravine walls.
>> > We do these year round.
>> >
>> > Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
>> > control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
>> > break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
>> >
>> > If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
>> > wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
>> > low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels
>> > and
>> > start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
>> > the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
>> >
>> > Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
>> >
>> > Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
>> > state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
>> > control.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Vince Hodgson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 0K, here's the thing....
>> >> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in
> gear
>> >> and
>> >> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not
> turning
>> >> fast enough.
>> >>
>> >> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your
>> >> not
>> >> in
>> >> control anymore.
>> >>
>> >> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the
> brakes.
>> >> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start
>> >> to
>> >> regain control with the brake peddle.
>> >>
>> >> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's
> down
>> >> a
>> >> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
>> >> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
>> >> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>> >> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>> >> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and
>> >> > low
>> >> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
>> >> > automatic still has a LOT.
>> >> >
>> >> > Tom
>> >> >
>> >> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
>> >> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making
>> >> > > control
>> >> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly
>> >> > > hampered
>> >> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard
>> >> > > would
>> >> > > have.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: Close Call!
The OP thought that he couldn't get his it into 4L.
When crawling my Cherokee down an icy driveway here in N'England the
auto trans allows me to go much faster than I'd like.
xyzz4569@fastmail.fm wrote:
> An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> automatic still has a LOT.
>
> Tom
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
>>You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
>>on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
>>by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
>>have.
>>
>
>
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#135
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Re: Close Call!
The OP thought that he couldn't get his it into 4L.
When crawling my Cherokee down an icy driveway here in N'England the
auto trans allows me to go much faster than I'd like.
xyzz4569@fastmail.fm wrote:
> An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> automatic still has a LOT.
>
> Tom
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
>>You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
>>on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
>>by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
>>have.
>>
>
>
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#136
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Re: Close Call!
The OP thought that he couldn't get his it into 4L.
When crawling my Cherokee down an icy driveway here in N'England the
auto trans allows me to go much faster than I'd like.
xyzz4569@fastmail.fm wrote:
> An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> automatic still has a LOT.
>
> Tom
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
>>You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
>>on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
>>by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
>>have.
>>
>
>
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#137
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Re: Close Call!
The OP thought that he couldn't get his it into 4L.
When crawling my Cherokee down an icy driveway here in N'England the
auto trans allows me to go much faster than I'd like.
xyzz4569@fastmail.fm wrote:
> An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> automatic still has a LOT.
>
> Tom
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
>>You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
>>on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
>>by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
>>have.
>>
>
>
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Re: Close Call!
Agreed. Although, if you're traveling sideways you're already out of
control. Here I'm thinking of my last sideways trip on a particular
steep driveway.
Mike Romain wrote:
> That happens to us all the time coming down sand pit and ravine walls.
> We do these year round.
>
> Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
> control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
> break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
>
> If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
> wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
> low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels and
> start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
> the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
>
> Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
>
> Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
> state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
> control.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Vince Hodgson wrote:
>
>>0K, here's the thing....
>>doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear and
>>your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
>>fast enough.
>>
>>therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
>>control anymore.
>>
>>best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
>>that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
>>regain control with the brake peddle.
>>
>>just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down a
>>hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
>>pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
>><xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>>news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>>An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
>>>range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
>>>automatic still has a LOT.
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>>
>>>>You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
>>>>on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
>>>>by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
>>>>have.
>>>>
>>>
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#139
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Re: Close Call!
Agreed. Although, if you're traveling sideways you're already out of
control. Here I'm thinking of my last sideways trip on a particular
steep driveway.
Mike Romain wrote:
> That happens to us all the time coming down sand pit and ravine walls.
> We do these year round.
>
> Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
> control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
> break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
>
> If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
> wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
> low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels and
> start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
> the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
>
> Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
>
> Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
> state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
> control.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Vince Hodgson wrote:
>
>>0K, here's the thing....
>>doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear and
>>your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
>>fast enough.
>>
>>therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
>>control anymore.
>>
>>best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
>>that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
>>regain control with the brake peddle.
>>
>>just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down a
>>hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
>>pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
>><xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>>news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>>An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
>>>range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
>>>automatic still has a LOT.
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>>
>>>>You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
>>>>on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
>>>>by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
>>>>have.
>>>>
>>>
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#140
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Re: Close Call!
Agreed. Although, if you're traveling sideways you're already out of
control. Here I'm thinking of my last sideways trip on a particular
steep driveway.
Mike Romain wrote:
> That happens to us all the time coming down sand pit and ravine walls.
> We do these year round.
>
> Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
> control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
> break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
>
> If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
> wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
> low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels and
> start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
> the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
>
> Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
>
> Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
> state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
> control.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Vince Hodgson wrote:
>
>>0K, here's the thing....
>>doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear and
>>your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
>>fast enough.
>>
>>therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
>>control anymore.
>>
>>best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
>>that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
>>regain control with the brake peddle.
>>
>>just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down a
>>hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
>>pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
>><xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>>news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>>An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
>>>range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
>>>automatic still has a LOT.
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>>
>>>>You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
>>>>on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
>>>>by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
>>>>have.
>>>>
>>>
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