Close Call!
#91
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Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
0K, here's the thing....
doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear and
your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
fast enough.
therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
control anymore.
best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
regain control with the brake peddle.
just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down a
hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
<xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> automatic still has a LOT.
>
> Tom
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> > have.
> >
>
doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear and
your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
fast enough.
therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
control anymore.
best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
regain control with the brake peddle.
just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down a
hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
<xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> automatic still has a LOT.
>
> Tom
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> > have.
> >
>
#92
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
0K, here's the thing....
doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear and
your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
fast enough.
therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
control anymore.
best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
regain control with the brake peddle.
just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down a
hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
<xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> automatic still has a LOT.
>
> Tom
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> > have.
> >
>
doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear and
your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
fast enough.
therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
control anymore.
best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
regain control with the brake peddle.
just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down a
hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
<xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> automatic still has a LOT.
>
> Tom
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> > have.
> >
>
#93
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
0K, here's the thing....
doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear and
your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
fast enough.
therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
control anymore.
best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
regain control with the brake peddle.
just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down a
hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
<xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> automatic still has a LOT.
>
> Tom
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> > have.
> >
>
doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear and
your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
fast enough.
therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
control anymore.
best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
regain control with the brake peddle.
just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down a
hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
<xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> automatic still has a LOT.
>
> Tom
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> > have.
> >
>
#94
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
That happens to us all the time coming down sand pit and ravine walls.
We do these year round.
Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels and
start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
control.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Vince Hodgson wrote:
>
> 0K, here's the thing....
> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear and
> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
> fast enough.
>
> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
> control anymore.
>
> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
> regain control with the brake peddle.
>
> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down a
> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> > automatic still has a LOT.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> > > have.
> > >
> >
We do these year round.
Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels and
start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
control.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Vince Hodgson wrote:
>
> 0K, here's the thing....
> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear and
> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
> fast enough.
>
> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
> control anymore.
>
> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
> regain control with the brake peddle.
>
> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down a
> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> > automatic still has a LOT.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> > > have.
> > >
> >
#95
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
That happens to us all the time coming down sand pit and ravine walls.
We do these year round.
Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels and
start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
control.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Vince Hodgson wrote:
>
> 0K, here's the thing....
> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear and
> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
> fast enough.
>
> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
> control anymore.
>
> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
> regain control with the brake peddle.
>
> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down a
> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> > automatic still has a LOT.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> > > have.
> > >
> >
We do these year round.
Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels and
start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
control.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Vince Hodgson wrote:
>
> 0K, here's the thing....
> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear and
> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
> fast enough.
>
> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
> control anymore.
>
> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
> regain control with the brake peddle.
>
> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down a
> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> > automatic still has a LOT.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> > > have.
> > >
> >
#96
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
That happens to us all the time coming down sand pit and ravine walls.
We do these year round.
Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels and
start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
control.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Vince Hodgson wrote:
>
> 0K, here's the thing....
> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear and
> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
> fast enough.
>
> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
> control anymore.
>
> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
> regain control with the brake peddle.
>
> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down a
> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> > automatic still has a LOT.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> > > have.
> > >
> >
We do these year round.
Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels and
start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
control.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Vince Hodgson wrote:
>
> 0K, here's the thing....
> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear and
> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
> fast enough.
>
> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
> control anymore.
>
> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
> regain control with the brake peddle.
>
> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down a
> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> > automatic still has a LOT.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> > > have.
> > >
> >
#97
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
That happens to us all the time coming down sand pit and ravine walls.
We do these year round.
Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels and
start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
control.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Vince Hodgson wrote:
>
> 0K, here's the thing....
> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear and
> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
> fast enough.
>
> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
> control anymore.
>
> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
> regain control with the brake peddle.
>
> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down a
> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> > automatic still has a LOT.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> > > have.
> > >
> >
We do these year round.
Contrary to what might seem right, you have to give it some gas to keep
control. If you drop back on the gas, the tires can/will stall and
break free and it's the same as if you had the brake pedal mashed.
If you use the gas and gears right, auto or stick, you can keep the
wheels turning enough to hold steering control. That is why I like 3rd
low. It has braking power without too much grab to stall the wheels and
start a slide. If I am in 2nd, I can stall the wheels if I don't keep
the rpm high, 1st is useless for descending.
Trying to go too slow can get you into trouble.
Going into neutral can get you killed besides being illegal in every
state or country I have checked in. In neutral, you are 'out' of
control.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Vince Hodgson wrote:
>
> 0K, here's the thing....
> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear and
> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
> fast enough.
>
> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
> control anymore.
>
> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
> regain control with the brake peddle.
>
> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down a
> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> > automatic still has a LOT.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making control
> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly hampered
> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard would
> > > have.
> > >
> >
#98
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
Hmm, if this is the case, then *theoretically* you can regain control by
opening the throttle and speeding up the engine some. I have a physics
degree, and I have been employed as an engineer and as a mechanic. I can
assure you, that *theoretically* this makes sense. I am not going to try it
any time soon though.
Earle
"Vince Hodgson" <v-s-h@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:L_GRf.1554$fy1.162596@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> 0K, here's the thing....
> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear
and
> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
> fast enough.
>
> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
> control anymore.
>
> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
> regain control with the brake peddle.
>
> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down
a
> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> > automatic still has a LOT.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making
control
> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly
hampered
> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard
would
> > > have.
> > >
> >
>
>
opening the throttle and speeding up the engine some. I have a physics
degree, and I have been employed as an engineer and as a mechanic. I can
assure you, that *theoretically* this makes sense. I am not going to try it
any time soon though.
Earle
"Vince Hodgson" <v-s-h@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:L_GRf.1554$fy1.162596@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> 0K, here's the thing....
> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear
and
> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
> fast enough.
>
> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
> control anymore.
>
> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
> regain control with the brake peddle.
>
> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down
a
> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> > automatic still has a LOT.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making
control
> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly
hampered
> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard
would
> > > have.
> > >
> >
>
>
#99
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
Hmm, if this is the case, then *theoretically* you can regain control by
opening the throttle and speeding up the engine some. I have a physics
degree, and I have been employed as an engineer and as a mechanic. I can
assure you, that *theoretically* this makes sense. I am not going to try it
any time soon though.
Earle
"Vince Hodgson" <v-s-h@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:L_GRf.1554$fy1.162596@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> 0K, here's the thing....
> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear
and
> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
> fast enough.
>
> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
> control anymore.
>
> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
> regain control with the brake peddle.
>
> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down
a
> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> > automatic still has a LOT.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making
control
> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly
hampered
> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard
would
> > > have.
> > >
> >
>
>
opening the throttle and speeding up the engine some. I have a physics
degree, and I have been employed as an engineer and as a mechanic. I can
assure you, that *theoretically* this makes sense. I am not going to try it
any time soon though.
Earle
"Vince Hodgson" <v-s-h@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:L_GRf.1554$fy1.162596@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> 0K, here's the thing....
> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear
and
> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
> fast enough.
>
> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
> control anymore.
>
> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
> regain control with the brake peddle.
>
> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down
a
> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> > automatic still has a LOT.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making
control
> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly
hampered
> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard
would
> > > have.
> > >
> >
>
>
#100
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Close Call!
Hmm, if this is the case, then *theoretically* you can regain control by
opening the throttle and speeding up the engine some. I have a physics
degree, and I have been employed as an engineer and as a mechanic. I can
assure you, that *theoretically* this makes sense. I am not going to try it
any time soon though.
Earle
"Vince Hodgson" <v-s-h@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:L_GRf.1554$fy1.162596@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> 0K, here's the thing....
> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear
and
> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
> fast enough.
>
> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
> control anymore.
>
> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
> regain control with the brake peddle.
>
> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down
a
> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> > automatic still has a LOT.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making
control
> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly
hampered
> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard
would
> > > have.
> > >
> >
>
>
opening the throttle and speeding up the engine some. I have a physics
degree, and I have been employed as an engineer and as a mechanic. I can
assure you, that *theoretically* this makes sense. I am not going to try it
any time soon though.
Earle
"Vince Hodgson" <v-s-h@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:L_GRf.1554$fy1.162596@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> 0K, here's the thing....
> doesn't matter what you do, if you are starting to slide and its in gear
and
> your foots off the brake, your tires are still turning, just not turning
> fast enough.
>
> therefore, you might as well be slamming on the binders, cause your not in
> control anymore.
>
> best bet in any situation it to slap it into neutral and use the brakes.
> that way the tires keep turning at the right speed and you can start to
> regain control with the brake peddle.
>
> just my 0.2 cents. had an ice situation happen in 4wd and did 360's down
a
> hill (no brakes) and I definitely know if I kicked it into neutral or
> pushed in the clutch, i could have regained control again.
> <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:1142369786.243719.87620@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An automatic has plenty of compression braking if in 1st gear and low
> > range 4WD. I realize that a manual has more braking ability, but an
> > automatic still has a LOT.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > > You can count on one brake locking up before the others, making
control
> > > on a slippery surface more, um, challenging. The OP was doubly
hampered
> > > by his auto tranny that wouldn't hold him back the way a standard
would
> > > have.
> > >
> >
>
>