Back in the old days they did just that in big (and maybe not so big)
refrigeration plants. I remember my grandfather taking about when a
compressor at a refrigeration plant blew up, if I remember right several
people died.

Check out the International Institute of Ammonia Refrigeration...

http://www.iiar.org/

Jeff DeWitt

billy ray wrote:
> Why not just use ammonia?
> It is effective, poisonous, and will strip off that waxy buildup on your
> paint.
>
>
> "Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
> news:zr0Yf.132$QG6.9700@news.uswest.net...
>
>>"Earle Horton" <nursebusters@msn.com> wrote in message
>>news:1144031263.717473.183700@t31g2000cwb.google groups.com...
>>
>>>I have heard from reliable sources that there are people who use
>>>propane.
>>
>>propane is an excellent refrigerant. not a smart choice for obvious
>>reasons, but its still an excellent refrigerant.
>>
>>--
>>Nathan W. Collier
>>http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>>http://7SlotGrille.com
>>http://InlineDiesel.com
>>http://BighornRefrigeration.com
>>http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
>>
>
>
>

 

Back in the old days they did just that in big (and maybe not so big)
refrigeration plants. I remember my grandfather taking about when a
compressor at a refrigeration plant blew up, if I remember right several
people died.

Check out the International Institute of Ammonia Refrigeration...

http://www.iiar.org/

Jeff DeWitt

billy ray wrote:
> Why not just use ammonia?
> It is effective, poisonous, and will strip off that waxy buildup on your
> paint.
>
>
> "Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
> news:zr0Yf.132$QG6.9700@news.uswest.net...
>
>>"Earle Horton" <nursebusters@msn.com> wrote in message
>>news:1144031263.717473.183700@t31g2000cwb.google groups.com...
>>
>>>I have heard from reliable sources that there are people who use
>>>propane.
>>
>>propane is an excellent refrigerant. not a smart choice for obvious
>>reasons, but its still an excellent refrigerant.
>>
>>--
>>Nathan W. Collier
>>http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>>http://7SlotGrille.com
>>http://InlineDiesel.com
>>http://BighornRefrigeration.com
>>http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
>>
>
>
>

 

Back in the old days they did just that in big (and maybe not so big)
refrigeration plants. I remember my grandfather taking about when a
compressor at a refrigeration plant blew up, if I remember right several
people died.

Check out the International Institute of Ammonia Refrigeration...

http://www.iiar.org/

Jeff DeWitt

billy ray wrote:
> Why not just use ammonia?
> It is effective, poisonous, and will strip off that waxy buildup on your
> paint.
>
>
> "Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
> news:zr0Yf.132$QG6.9700@news.uswest.net...
>
>>"Earle Horton" <nursebusters@msn.com> wrote in message
>>news:1144031263.717473.183700@t31g2000cwb.google groups.com...
>>
>>>I have heard from reliable sources that there are people who use
>>>propane.
>>
>>propane is an excellent refrigerant. not a smart choice for obvious
>>reasons, but its still an excellent refrigerant.
>>
>>--
>>Nathan W. Collier
>>http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>>http://7SlotGrille.com
>>http://InlineDiesel.com
>>http://BighornRefrigeration.com
>>http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
>>
>
>
>

 

Then I'll just move my Bronco on to butane/propane.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> and now that many companies are manufacturing 134a, guess what the next
> refrigerant to become restricted is.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://InlineDiesel.com
> http://BighornRefrigeration.com
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com

 

Then I'll just move my Bronco on to butane/propane.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> and now that many companies are manufacturing 134a, guess what the next
> refrigerant to become restricted is.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://InlineDiesel.com
> http://BighornRefrigeration.com
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com

 

Then I'll just move my Bronco on to butane/propane.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> and now that many companies are manufacturing 134a, guess what the next
> refrigerant to become restricted is.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://InlineDiesel.com
> http://BighornRefrigeration.com
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com

 

Yes, I used the low range of toxicity. 10% is fatal

excerpt from MSDS:
"...Carbon Dioxide is a powerful cerebral dilator. At concentrations between
2 and 10%, Carbon Dioxide can cause nausea, dizziness, headache, mental
confusion, increased blood pressure and respiratory rate. Above 8% nausea
and vomiting appear. Above 10%, suffocation and death can occur within
minutes. "

I don't think they recommend huffing fire extinguishers of any type.

As for chilling brews..... dry ice in alcohol works well



"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-0wYVdRYpNIGn@anon.none.net...
> Say waht??? CO2 lethal at 2% concentration??? Man, that's gonna play
> hell with fire extinguishers and I ain't even gonna consider using dry
> ice again. Now what am I supposed to use to flash cool my brews?
>
> I can believe the claim against CO (Carbon Monoxide) at something on
> that order but not Carbon Dioxide. I think you confused the two.
>
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 00:49:45 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net>
> wrote:
>
>> As I mentioned R-152 is flammable and R744 is poisonous...If either vents
>> to
>> your passenger compartment it can lead to a horrible death from burning
>> or
>> suffocation.
>>
>> Carbon Dioxide only requires 2% concentration to be fatal. Loss of
>> self-awareness, concentration, loss of reasoning, lengthening of reaction
>> times occur at lower concentrations.
>>
>> If you breath in flaming gas it only takes one breath to sear your lungs
>> which will lead to a quick but painful death. Skin and tissue burns lead
>> to
>> a slower painful death.
>>
>>
>>
>> "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
>> news:alc032lmm4j2s3m0rilb5falqh9jur967s@4ax.com...
>> > On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:33:51 -0400, "billy ray"
>> > <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
>> >>everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass
>> >>huts
>> >>or
>> >>caves.
>> >>
>> >>The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they
>> >>wanted
>> >>R-152 which
>> >>is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their
>> >>rationale
>> >>was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing
>> >>to
>> >>die
>> >>a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in
>> >>an
>> >>accident.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> snip
>> snip
>> >
>> > R-152 is flammable but has fluid properties similar to R-12 which is
>> > why some were promoting it as a replacement for service. OEMs have
>> > rejected this because of the hazard of explosion in the cabin of a
>> > closed car if a leak occurs in an evaporator and the R-152
>> > acccumulates.
>> >
>> > R-744 is also known as Carbon Dioxide, it is only poisonous in higher
>> > concentrations. It is not considered a greenhouse gas even though it
>> > has a greenhouse potential... because it is a naturally occurring
>> > substance. The operating pressures are much (10x and more) higher
>> > than R-134a which will drive a complete investent cycle in the
>> > production and service sectors (compressors, heat exchangers,
>> > connecting lines, controls, service equipment etc.). So far the COP
>> > of these systems is slightly better than R-134a leading to reduced
>> > fuel consumption.
>> >
>> > As far as following service procedures... come on, be responsible - or
>> > do you still dump drain oil in the back yard to kill the weeds.
>> > --
>> > NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Will Honea

 

Yes, I used the low range of toxicity. 10% is fatal

excerpt from MSDS:
"...Carbon Dioxide is a powerful cerebral dilator. At concentrations between
2 and 10%, Carbon Dioxide can cause nausea, dizziness, headache, mental
confusion, increased blood pressure and respiratory rate. Above 8% nausea
and vomiting appear. Above 10%, suffocation and death can occur within
minutes. "

I don't think they recommend huffing fire extinguishers of any type.

As for chilling brews..... dry ice in alcohol works well



"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-0wYVdRYpNIGn@anon.none.net...
> Say waht??? CO2 lethal at 2% concentration??? Man, that's gonna play
> hell with fire extinguishers and I ain't even gonna consider using dry
> ice again. Now what am I supposed to use to flash cool my brews?
>
> I can believe the claim against CO (Carbon Monoxide) at something on
> that order but not Carbon Dioxide. I think you confused the two.
>
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 00:49:45 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net>
> wrote:
>
>> As I mentioned R-152 is flammable and R744 is poisonous...If either vents
>> to
>> your passenger compartment it can lead to a horrible death from burning
>> or
>> suffocation.
>>
>> Carbon Dioxide only requires 2% concentration to be fatal. Loss of
>> self-awareness, concentration, loss of reasoning, lengthening of reaction
>> times occur at lower concentrations.
>>
>> If you breath in flaming gas it only takes one breath to sear your lungs
>> which will lead to a quick but painful death. Skin and tissue burns lead
>> to
>> a slower painful death.
>>
>>
>>
>> "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
>> news:alc032lmm4j2s3m0rilb5falqh9jur967s@4ax.com...
>> > On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:33:51 -0400, "billy ray"
>> > <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
>> >>everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass
>> >>huts
>> >>or
>> >>caves.
>> >>
>> >>The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they
>> >>wanted
>> >>R-152 which
>> >>is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their
>> >>rationale
>> >>was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing
>> >>to
>> >>die
>> >>a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in
>> >>an
>> >>accident.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> snip
>> snip
>> >
>> > R-152 is flammable but has fluid properties similar to R-12 which is
>> > why some were promoting it as a replacement for service. OEMs have
>> > rejected this because of the hazard of explosion in the cabin of a
>> > closed car if a leak occurs in an evaporator and the R-152
>> > acccumulates.
>> >
>> > R-744 is also known as Carbon Dioxide, it is only poisonous in higher
>> > concentrations. It is not considered a greenhouse gas even though it
>> > has a greenhouse potential... because it is a naturally occurring
>> > substance. The operating pressures are much (10x and more) higher
>> > than R-134a which will drive a complete investent cycle in the
>> > production and service sectors (compressors, heat exchangers,
>> > connecting lines, controls, service equipment etc.). So far the COP
>> > of these systems is slightly better than R-134a leading to reduced
>> > fuel consumption.
>> >
>> > As far as following service procedures... come on, be responsible - or
>> > do you still dump drain oil in the back yard to kill the weeds.
>> > --
>> > NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Will Honea

 

Yes, I used the low range of toxicity. 10% is fatal

excerpt from MSDS:
"...Carbon Dioxide is a powerful cerebral dilator. At concentrations between
2 and 10%, Carbon Dioxide can cause nausea, dizziness, headache, mental
confusion, increased blood pressure and respiratory rate. Above 8% nausea
and vomiting appear. Above 10%, suffocation and death can occur within
minutes. "

I don't think they recommend huffing fire extinguishers of any type.

As for chilling brews..... dry ice in alcohol works well



"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-0wYVdRYpNIGn@anon.none.net...
> Say waht??? CO2 lethal at 2% concentration??? Man, that's gonna play
> hell with fire extinguishers and I ain't even gonna consider using dry
> ice again. Now what am I supposed to use to flash cool my brews?
>
> I can believe the claim against CO (Carbon Monoxide) at something on
> that order but not Carbon Dioxide. I think you confused the two.
>
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 00:49:45 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net>
> wrote:
>
>> As I mentioned R-152 is flammable and R744 is poisonous...If either vents
>> to
>> your passenger compartment it can lead to a horrible death from burning
>> or
>> suffocation.
>>
>> Carbon Dioxide only requires 2% concentration to be fatal. Loss of
>> self-awareness, concentration, loss of reasoning, lengthening of reaction
>> times occur at lower concentrations.
>>
>> If you breath in flaming gas it only takes one breath to sear your lungs
>> which will lead to a quick but painful death. Skin and tissue burns lead
>> to
>> a slower painful death.
>>
>>
>>
>> "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
>> news:alc032lmm4j2s3m0rilb5falqh9jur967s@4ax.com...
>> > On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:33:51 -0400, "billy ray"
>> > <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
>> >>everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass
>> >>huts
>> >>or
>> >>caves.
>> >>
>> >>The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they
>> >>wanted
>> >>R-152 which
>> >>is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their
>> >>rationale
>> >>was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing
>> >>to
>> >>die
>> >>a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in
>> >>an
>> >>accident.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> snip
>> snip
>> >
>> > R-152 is flammable but has fluid properties similar to R-12 which is
>> > why some were promoting it as a replacement for service. OEMs have
>> > rejected this because of the hazard of explosion in the cabin of a
>> > closed car if a leak occurs in an evaporator and the R-152
>> > acccumulates.
>> >
>> > R-744 is also known as Carbon Dioxide, it is only poisonous in higher
>> > concentrations. It is not considered a greenhouse gas even though it
>> > has a greenhouse potential... because it is a naturally occurring
>> > substance. The operating pressures are much (10x and more) higher
>> > than R-134a which will drive a complete investent cycle in the
>> > production and service sectors (compressors, heat exchangers,
>> > connecting lines, controls, service equipment etc.). So far the COP
>> > of these systems is slightly better than R-134a leading to reduced
>> > fuel consumption.
>> >
>> > As far as following service procedures... come on, be responsible - or
>> > do you still dump drain oil in the back yard to kill the weeds.
>> > --
>> > NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Will Honea

 

Perhaps we should just carry around huge blocks of ice.

If you bore a few holes of appropriate size you will have ice chips and good
cupholders!


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4430AE79.D24BCB93@***.net...
> Then I'll just move my Bronco on to butane/propane.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>>
>> and now that many companies are manufacturing 134a, guess what the next
>> refrigerant to become restricted is.
>>
>> --
>> Nathan W. Collier
>> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>> http://7SlotGrille.com
>> http://InlineDiesel.com
>> http://BighornRefrigeration.com
>> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com