charging the ac
04-02-2006, 10:27 PM
#41
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Re: charging the ac
I have heard from reliable sources that there are people who use
propane. It has the advantages of economy and availability, plus it is
friendlier to the environment than those nasty CFCs.
Earle
billy ray wrote:
> As I mentioned R-152 is flammable and R744 is poisonous...If either vents to
> your passenger compartment it can lead to a horrible death from burning or
> suffocation.
>
> Carbon Dioxide only requires 2% concentration to be fatal. Loss of
> self-awareness, concentration, loss of reasoning, lengthening of reaction
> times occur at lower concentrations.
>
> If you breath in flaming gas it only takes one breath to sear your lungs
> which will lead to a quick but painful death. Skin and tissue burns lead to
> a slower painful death.
>
>
>
> "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:alc032lmm4j2s3m0rilb5falqh9jur967s@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:33:51 -0400, "billy ray"
> > <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote:
> >
> >>No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
> >>everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass huts
> >>or
> >>caves.
> >>
> >>The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they wanted
> >>R-152 which
> >>is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their
> >>rationale
> >>was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing to
> >>die
> >>a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in an
> >>accident.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> snip
> snip
> >
> > R-152 is flammable but has fluid properties similar to R-12 which is
> > why some were promoting it as a replacement for service. OEMs have
> > rejected this because of the hazard of explosion in the cabin of a
> > closed car if a leak occurs in an evaporator and the R-152
> > acccumulates.
> >
> > R-744 is also known as Carbon Dioxide, it is only poisonous in higher
> > concentrations. It is not considered a greenhouse gas even though it
> > has a greenhouse potential... because it is a naturally occurring
> > substance. The operating pressures are much (10x and more) higher
> > than R-134a which will drive a complete investent cycle in the
> > production and service sectors (compressors, heat exchangers,
> > connecting lines, controls, service equipment etc.). So far the COP
> > of these systems is slightly better than R-134a leading to reduced
> > fuel consumption.
> >
> > As far as following service procedures... come on, be responsible - or
> > do you still dump drain oil in the back yard to kill the weeds.
> > --
> > NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth
propane. It has the advantages of economy and availability, plus it is
friendlier to the environment than those nasty CFCs.
Earle
billy ray wrote:
> As I mentioned R-152 is flammable and R744 is poisonous...If either vents to
> your passenger compartment it can lead to a horrible death from burning or
> suffocation.
>
> Carbon Dioxide only requires 2% concentration to be fatal. Loss of
> self-awareness, concentration, loss of reasoning, lengthening of reaction
> times occur at lower concentrations.
>
> If you breath in flaming gas it only takes one breath to sear your lungs
> which will lead to a quick but painful death. Skin and tissue burns lead to
> a slower painful death.
>
>
>
> "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:alc032lmm4j2s3m0rilb5falqh9jur967s@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:33:51 -0400, "billy ray"
> > <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote:
> >
> >>No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
> >>everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass huts
> >>or
> >>caves.
> >>
> >>The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they wanted
> >>R-152 which
> >>is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their
> >>rationale
> >>was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing to
> >>die
> >>a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in an
> >>accident.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> snip
> snip
> >
> > R-152 is flammable but has fluid properties similar to R-12 which is
> > why some were promoting it as a replacement for service. OEMs have
> > rejected this because of the hazard of explosion in the cabin of a
> > closed car if a leak occurs in an evaporator and the R-152
> > acccumulates.
> >
> > R-744 is also known as Carbon Dioxide, it is only poisonous in higher
> > concentrations. It is not considered a greenhouse gas even though it
> > has a greenhouse potential... because it is a naturally occurring
> > substance. The operating pressures are much (10x and more) higher
> > than R-134a which will drive a complete investent cycle in the
> > production and service sectors (compressors, heat exchangers,
> > connecting lines, controls, service equipment etc.). So far the COP
> > of these systems is slightly better than R-134a leading to reduced
> > fuel consumption.
> >
> > As far as following service procedures... come on, be responsible - or
> > do you still dump drain oil in the back yard to kill the weeds.
> > --
> > NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth
04-02-2006, 10:27 PM
#42
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Re: charging the ac
I have heard from reliable sources that there are people who use
propane. It has the advantages of economy and availability, plus it is
friendlier to the environment than those nasty CFCs.
Earle
billy ray wrote:
> As I mentioned R-152 is flammable and R744 is poisonous...If either vents to
> your passenger compartment it can lead to a horrible death from burning or
> suffocation.
>
> Carbon Dioxide only requires 2% concentration to be fatal. Loss of
> self-awareness, concentration, loss of reasoning, lengthening of reaction
> times occur at lower concentrations.
>
> If you breath in flaming gas it only takes one breath to sear your lungs
> which will lead to a quick but painful death. Skin and tissue burns lead to
> a slower painful death.
>
>
>
> "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:alc032lmm4j2s3m0rilb5falqh9jur967s@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:33:51 -0400, "billy ray"
> > <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote:
> >
> >>No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
> >>everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass huts
> >>or
> >>caves.
> >>
> >>The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they wanted
> >>R-152 which
> >>is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their
> >>rationale
> >>was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing to
> >>die
> >>a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in an
> >>accident.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> snip
> snip
> >
> > R-152 is flammable but has fluid properties similar to R-12 which is
> > why some were promoting it as a replacement for service. OEMs have
> > rejected this because of the hazard of explosion in the cabin of a
> > closed car if a leak occurs in an evaporator and the R-152
> > acccumulates.
> >
> > R-744 is also known as Carbon Dioxide, it is only poisonous in higher
> > concentrations. It is not considered a greenhouse gas even though it
> > has a greenhouse potential... because it is a naturally occurring
> > substance. The operating pressures are much (10x and more) higher
> > than R-134a which will drive a complete investent cycle in the
> > production and service sectors (compressors, heat exchangers,
> > connecting lines, controls, service equipment etc.). So far the COP
> > of these systems is slightly better than R-134a leading to reduced
> > fuel consumption.
> >
> > As far as following service procedures... come on, be responsible - or
> > do you still dump drain oil in the back yard to kill the weeds.
> > --
> > NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth
propane. It has the advantages of economy and availability, plus it is
friendlier to the environment than those nasty CFCs.
Earle
billy ray wrote:
> As I mentioned R-152 is flammable and R744 is poisonous...If either vents to
> your passenger compartment it can lead to a horrible death from burning or
> suffocation.
>
> Carbon Dioxide only requires 2% concentration to be fatal. Loss of
> self-awareness, concentration, loss of reasoning, lengthening of reaction
> times occur at lower concentrations.
>
> If you breath in flaming gas it only takes one breath to sear your lungs
> which will lead to a quick but painful death. Skin and tissue burns lead to
> a slower painful death.
>
>
>
> "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:alc032lmm4j2s3m0rilb5falqh9jur967s@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:33:51 -0400, "billy ray"
> > <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote:
> >
> >>No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
> >>everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass huts
> >>or
> >>caves.
> >>
> >>The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they wanted
> >>R-152 which
> >>is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their
> >>rationale
> >>was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing to
> >>die
> >>a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in an
> >>accident.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> snip
> snip
> >
> > R-152 is flammable but has fluid properties similar to R-12 which is
> > why some were promoting it as a replacement for service. OEMs have
> > rejected this because of the hazard of explosion in the cabin of a
> > closed car if a leak occurs in an evaporator and the R-152
> > acccumulates.
> >
> > R-744 is also known as Carbon Dioxide, it is only poisonous in higher
> > concentrations. It is not considered a greenhouse gas even though it
> > has a greenhouse potential... because it is a naturally occurring
> > substance. The operating pressures are much (10x and more) higher
> > than R-134a which will drive a complete investent cycle in the
> > production and service sectors (compressors, heat exchangers,
> > connecting lines, controls, service equipment etc.). So far the COP
> > of these systems is slightly better than R-134a leading to reduced
> > fuel consumption.
> >
> > As far as following service procedures... come on, be responsible - or
> > do you still dump drain oil in the back yard to kill the weeds.
> > --
> > NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth
04-02-2006, 10:27 PM
#43
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Re: charging the ac
I have heard from reliable sources that there are people who use
propane. It has the advantages of economy and availability, plus it is
friendlier to the environment than those nasty CFCs.
Earle
billy ray wrote:
> As I mentioned R-152 is flammable and R744 is poisonous...If either vents to
> your passenger compartment it can lead to a horrible death from burning or
> suffocation.
>
> Carbon Dioxide only requires 2% concentration to be fatal. Loss of
> self-awareness, concentration, loss of reasoning, lengthening of reaction
> times occur at lower concentrations.
>
> If you breath in flaming gas it only takes one breath to sear your lungs
> which will lead to a quick but painful death. Skin and tissue burns lead to
> a slower painful death.
>
>
>
> "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:alc032lmm4j2s3m0rilb5falqh9jur967s@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:33:51 -0400, "billy ray"
> > <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote:
> >
> >>No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
> >>everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass huts
> >>or
> >>caves.
> >>
> >>The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they wanted
> >>R-152 which
> >>is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their
> >>rationale
> >>was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing to
> >>die
> >>a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in an
> >>accident.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> snip
> snip
> >
> > R-152 is flammable but has fluid properties similar to R-12 which is
> > why some were promoting it as a replacement for service. OEMs have
> > rejected this because of the hazard of explosion in the cabin of a
> > closed car if a leak occurs in an evaporator and the R-152
> > acccumulates.
> >
> > R-744 is also known as Carbon Dioxide, it is only poisonous in higher
> > concentrations. It is not considered a greenhouse gas even though it
> > has a greenhouse potential... because it is a naturally occurring
> > substance. The operating pressures are much (10x and more) higher
> > than R-134a which will drive a complete investent cycle in the
> > production and service sectors (compressors, heat exchangers,
> > connecting lines, controls, service equipment etc.). So far the COP
> > of these systems is slightly better than R-134a leading to reduced
> > fuel consumption.
> >
> > As far as following service procedures... come on, be responsible - or
> > do you still dump drain oil in the back yard to kill the weeds.
> > --
> > NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth
propane. It has the advantages of economy and availability, plus it is
friendlier to the environment than those nasty CFCs.
Earle
billy ray wrote:
> As I mentioned R-152 is flammable and R744 is poisonous...If either vents to
> your passenger compartment it can lead to a horrible death from burning or
> suffocation.
>
> Carbon Dioxide only requires 2% concentration to be fatal. Loss of
> self-awareness, concentration, loss of reasoning, lengthening of reaction
> times occur at lower concentrations.
>
> If you breath in flaming gas it only takes one breath to sear your lungs
> which will lead to a quick but painful death. Skin and tissue burns lead to
> a slower painful death.
>
>
>
> "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:alc032lmm4j2s3m0rilb5falqh9jur967s@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:33:51 -0400, "billy ray"
> > <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote:
> >
> >>No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
> >>everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass huts
> >>or
> >>caves.
> >>
> >>The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they wanted
> >>R-152 which
> >>is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their
> >>rationale
> >>was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing to
> >>die
> >>a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in an
> >>accident.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> snip
> snip
> >
> > R-152 is flammable but has fluid properties similar to R-12 which is
> > why some were promoting it as a replacement for service. OEMs have
> > rejected this because of the hazard of explosion in the cabin of a
> > closed car if a leak occurs in an evaporator and the R-152
> > acccumulates.
> >
> > R-744 is also known as Carbon Dioxide, it is only poisonous in higher
> > concentrations. It is not considered a greenhouse gas even though it
> > has a greenhouse potential... because it is a naturally occurring
> > substance. The operating pressures are much (10x and more) higher
> > than R-134a which will drive a complete investent cycle in the
> > production and service sectors (compressors, heat exchangers,
> > connecting lines, controls, service equipment etc.). So far the COP
> > of these systems is slightly better than R-134a leading to reduced
> > fuel consumption.
> >
> > As far as following service procedures... come on, be responsible - or
> > do you still dump drain oil in the back yard to kill the weeds.
> > --
> > NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth
04-02-2006, 10:30 PM
#44
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Re: charging the ac
Earle Horton wrote:
> I have heard from reliable sources that there are people who use
> propane. It has the advantages of economy and availability, plus it is
> friendlier to the environment than those nasty CFCs.
Hate to have an evaporator leak. A condenser leak ain't good either.
> I have heard from reliable sources that there are people who use
> propane. It has the advantages of economy and availability, plus it is
> friendlier to the environment than those nasty CFCs.
Hate to have an evaporator leak. A condenser leak ain't good either.
04-02-2006, 10:30 PM
#45
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Re: charging the ac
Earle Horton wrote:
> I have heard from reliable sources that there are people who use
> propane. It has the advantages of economy and availability, plus it is
> friendlier to the environment than those nasty CFCs.
Hate to have an evaporator leak. A condenser leak ain't good either.
> I have heard from reliable sources that there are people who use
> propane. It has the advantages of economy and availability, plus it is
> friendlier to the environment than those nasty CFCs.
Hate to have an evaporator leak. A condenser leak ain't good either.
04-02-2006, 10:30 PM
#46
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Re: charging the ac
Earle Horton wrote:
> I have heard from reliable sources that there are people who use
> propane. It has the advantages of economy and availability, plus it is
> friendlier to the environment than those nasty CFCs.
Hate to have an evaporator leak. A condenser leak ain't good either.
> I have heard from reliable sources that there are people who use
> propane. It has the advantages of economy and availability, plus it is
> friendlier to the environment than those nasty CFCs.
Hate to have an evaporator leak. A condenser leak ain't good either.
04-02-2006, 10:39 PM
#47
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Re: charging the ac
Actually, while I am not a believer in conspiracy theories it's awfully
funny that all the fuss that lead to R12 being banned started about the
same time the patent wore expired...
Jeff DeWitt
Scott in Baltimore wrote:
> billy ray wrote:
>
>> No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
>> everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass
>> huts or
>> caves.
>>
>> The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they
>> wanted R-152 which
>> is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their
>> rationale
>> was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing
>> to die
>> a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved
>> in an
>> accident.
>
>
> And all these years I thought it was because of Dupont, the reefer madness
> people, created a molecule that was extremely stable. It was so stable, it
> remained in the upper atmosphere for a long time, killing all the ozone.
funny that all the fuss that lead to R12 being banned started about the
same time the patent wore expired...
Jeff DeWitt
Scott in Baltimore wrote:
> billy ray wrote:
>
>> No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
>> everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass
>> huts or
>> caves.
>>
>> The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they
>> wanted R-152 which
>> is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their
>> rationale
>> was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing
>> to die
>> a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved
>> in an
>> accident.
>
>
> And all these years I thought it was because of Dupont, the reefer madness
> people, created a molecule that was extremely stable. It was so stable, it
> remained in the upper atmosphere for a long time, killing all the ozone.
04-02-2006, 10:39 PM
#48
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Posts: n/a
Re: charging the ac
Actually, while I am not a believer in conspiracy theories it's awfully
funny that all the fuss that lead to R12 being banned started about the
same time the patent wore expired...
Jeff DeWitt
Scott in Baltimore wrote:
> billy ray wrote:
>
>> No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
>> everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass
>> huts or
>> caves.
>>
>> The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they
>> wanted R-152 which
>> is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their
>> rationale
>> was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing
>> to die
>> a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved
>> in an
>> accident.
>
>
> And all these years I thought it was because of Dupont, the reefer madness
> people, created a molecule that was extremely stable. It was so stable, it
> remained in the upper atmosphere for a long time, killing all the ozone.
funny that all the fuss that lead to R12 being banned started about the
same time the patent wore expired...
Jeff DeWitt
Scott in Baltimore wrote:
> billy ray wrote:
>
>> No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
>> everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass
>> huts or
>> caves.
>>
>> The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they
>> wanted R-152 which
>> is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their
>> rationale
>> was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing
>> to die
>> a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved
>> in an
>> accident.
>
>
> And all these years I thought it was because of Dupont, the reefer madness
> people, created a molecule that was extremely stable. It was so stable, it
> remained in the upper atmosphere for a long time, killing all the ozone.
04-02-2006, 10:39 PM
#49
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: charging the ac
Actually, while I am not a believer in conspiracy theories it's awfully
funny that all the fuss that lead to R12 being banned started about the
same time the patent wore expired...
Jeff DeWitt
Scott in Baltimore wrote:
> billy ray wrote:
>
>> No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
>> everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass
>> huts or
>> caves.
>>
>> The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they
>> wanted R-152 which
>> is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their
>> rationale
>> was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing
>> to die
>> a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved
>> in an
>> accident.
>
>
> And all these years I thought it was because of Dupont, the reefer madness
> people, created a molecule that was extremely stable. It was so stable, it
> remained in the upper atmosphere for a long time, killing all the ozone.
funny that all the fuss that lead to R12 being banned started about the
same time the patent wore expired...
Jeff DeWitt
Scott in Baltimore wrote:
> billy ray wrote:
>
>> No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
>> everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass
>> huts or
>> caves.
>>
>> The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they
>> wanted R-152 which
>> is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their
>> rationale
>> was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing
>> to die
>> a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved
>> in an
>> accident.
>
>
> And all these years I thought it was because of Dupont, the reefer madness
> people, created a molecule that was extremely stable. It was so stable, it
> remained in the upper atmosphere for a long time, killing all the ozone.
04-02-2006, 11:14 PM
#50
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Re: charging the ac
"Earle Horton" <nursebusters@msn.com> wrote in message
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>I have heard from reliable sources that there are people who use
> propane.
propane is an excellent refrigerant. not a smart choice for obvious
reasons, but its still an excellent refrigerant.
--
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news:1144031263.717473.183700@t31g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>I have heard from reliable sources that there are people who use
> propane.
propane is an excellent refrigerant. not a smart choice for obvious
reasons, but its still an excellent refrigerant.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com