Jeff DeWitt

I thought the whole excuse... er reason, we switched from the very
effective, safe, and inexpensive R12 to 134A was to "save the environment"!

Jeff DeWitt

William Pughe wrote:
> Thanks for the info.
>
> "Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> writes:
>
> R> Yeah, and the only "correct" way to recharge an R134a system, is to evacuate
>
>>it, and install the exact quantity of refrigerant that the system requires.
>>The putting-a can-in-every-spring method is hit-or-miss, and sooner or later
>>is going to screw things up. The "right" way to do this is to take it to
>>someone with a charging station, and have them evacuate the system, saving
>>the refrigerant, replace all the gaskets, and finally recharge to the
>>correct quantity of refrigerant.
>>
>>If you do it right, it is going to cost you, but you will sleep easier. You
>>are saving the environment, and you don't have to worry about the compressor
>>slugging liquid refrigerant and blowing its head off.
>>
>>Earle
>>
>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
>>news:a4714$442c6d66$4831b233$9702@FUSE.NET...
>>
>>>Will the A/C still cycle on each spring before the recharge?As long as you
>>>are holding any amount of pressure air and moisture cannot get in.
>>>
>>>If you are going to go through the time and expense of pulling a vacuum
>>
>>you
>>
>>>should take all the connectors apart and replace the gaskets. That is,
>>
>>most
>>
>>>likely, the cause of your leak.
>>>
>>>When you refill do not use the refrigerant with oil..... the oil rarely
>>>leaks out and too much will lower the cooling efficiency and may damage
>>>components of the system as it is incompressable.
>>>
>>>
>>>"William Pughe" <wlp@ll.mit.edu> wrote in message
>>>news:npvek0jsdvw.fsf@ll.mit.edu...
>>>
>>>>Hi all. Every spring my ac doesn't work(94 grand cherokee), so I charge
>>>>it
>>>>and everything seems to be fine until the next spring. $10/year isn't
>>>>bad.
>>>>The ac doesn't work great, but it keeps things cool enough. What I'm
>>>>wondering is would it be worth it to take it to someone who could put a
>>>>vacuum on it to get all the air out first? I'm guessing air/moisture
>>
>>gets
>>
>>>>into the system over the winter and reduces the efficiency of the
>>
>>system.
>>
>>>>Thanks for any help.
>>>>
>>>>Will
>>>
>>>
>>
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Jeff DeWitt

I thought the whole excuse... er reason, we switched from the very
effective, safe, and inexpensive R12 to 134A was to "save the environment"!

Jeff DeWitt

William Pughe wrote:
> Thanks for the info.
>
> "Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> writes:
>
> R> Yeah, and the only "correct" way to recharge an R134a system, is to evacuate
>
>>it, and install the exact quantity of refrigerant that the system requires.
>>The putting-a can-in-every-spring method is hit-or-miss, and sooner or later
>>is going to screw things up. The "right" way to do this is to take it to
>>someone with a charging station, and have them evacuate the system, saving
>>the refrigerant, replace all the gaskets, and finally recharge to the
>>correct quantity of refrigerant.
>>
>>If you do it right, it is going to cost you, but you will sleep easier. You
>>are saving the environment, and you don't have to worry about the compressor
>>slugging liquid refrigerant and blowing its head off.
>>
>>Earle
>>
>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
>>news:a4714$442c6d66$4831b233$9702@FUSE.NET...
>>
>>>Will the A/C still cycle on each spring before the recharge?As long as you
>>>are holding any amount of pressure air and moisture cannot get in.
>>>
>>>If you are going to go through the time and expense of pulling a vacuum
>>
>>you
>>
>>>should take all the connectors apart and replace the gaskets. That is,
>>
>>most
>>
>>>likely, the cause of your leak.
>>>
>>>When you refill do not use the refrigerant with oil..... the oil rarely
>>>leaks out and too much will lower the cooling efficiency and may damage
>>>components of the system as it is incompressable.
>>>
>>>
>>>"William Pughe" <wlp@ll.mit.edu> wrote in message
>>>news:npvek0jsdvw.fsf@ll.mit.edu...
>>>
>>>>Hi all. Every spring my ac doesn't work(94 grand cherokee), so I charge
>>>>it
>>>>and everything seems to be fine until the next spring. $10/year isn't
>>>>bad.
>>>>The ac doesn't work great, but it keeps things cool enough. What I'm
>>>>wondering is would it be worth it to take it to someone who could put a
>>>>vacuum on it to get all the air out first? I'm guessing air/moisture
>>
>>gets
>>
>>>>into the system over the winter and reduces the efficiency of the
>>
>>system.
>>
>>>>Thanks for any help.
>>>>
>>>>Will
>>>
>>>
>>
>>*** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
>>*** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com ***

Jeff DeWitt

I thought the whole excuse... er reason, we switched from the very
effective, safe, and inexpensive R12 to 134A was to "save the environment"!

Jeff DeWitt

William Pughe wrote:
> Thanks for the info.
>
> "Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> writes:
>
> R> Yeah, and the only "correct" way to recharge an R134a system, is to evacuate
>
>>it, and install the exact quantity of refrigerant that the system requires.
>>The putting-a can-in-every-spring method is hit-or-miss, and sooner or later
>>is going to screw things up. The "right" way to do this is to take it to
>>someone with a charging station, and have them evacuate the system, saving
>>the refrigerant, replace all the gaskets, and finally recharge to the
>>correct quantity of refrigerant.
>>
>>If you do it right, it is going to cost you, but you will sleep easier. You
>>are saving the environment, and you don't have to worry about the compressor
>>slugging liquid refrigerant and blowing its head off.
>>
>>Earle
>>
>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
>>news:a4714$442c6d66$4831b233$9702@FUSE.NET...
>>
>>>Will the A/C still cycle on each spring before the recharge?As long as you
>>>are holding any amount of pressure air and moisture cannot get in.
>>>
>>>If you are going to go through the time and expense of pulling a vacuum
>>
>>you
>>
>>>should take all the connectors apart and replace the gaskets. That is,
>>
>>most
>>
>>>likely, the cause of your leak.
>>>
>>>When you refill do not use the refrigerant with oil..... the oil rarely
>>>leaks out and too much will lower the cooling efficiency and may damage
>>>components of the system as it is incompressable.
>>>
>>>
>>>"William Pughe" <wlp@ll.mit.edu> wrote in message
>>>news:npvek0jsdvw.fsf@ll.mit.edu...
>>>
>>>>Hi all. Every spring my ac doesn't work(94 grand cherokee), so I charge
>>>>it
>>>>and everything seems to be fine until the next spring. $10/year isn't
>>>>bad.
>>>>The ac doesn't work great, but it keeps things cool enough. What I'm
>>>>wondering is would it be worth it to take it to someone who could put a
>>>>vacuum on it to get all the air out first? I'm guessing air/moisture
>>
>>gets
>>
>>>>into the system over the winter and reduces the efficiency of the
>>
>>system.
>>
>>>>Thanks for any help.
>>>>
>>>>Will
>>>
>>>
>>
>>*** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
>>*** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com ***

billy ray

No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass huts or
caves.

The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they wanted
R-152 which
is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their rationale
was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing to die
a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in an
accident.




"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:CzRXf.56264$915.26803@southeast.rr.com...
>I thought the whole excuse... er reason, we switched from the very
>effective, safe, and inexpensive R12 to 134A was to "save the environment"!
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> William Pughe wrote:
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> writes:
>>
>> R> Yeah, and the only "correct" way to recharge an R134a system, is to
>> evacuate
>>
>>>it, and install the exact quantity of refrigerant that the system
>>>requires.
>>>The putting-a can-in-every-spring method is hit-or-miss, and sooner or
>>>later
>>>is going to screw things up. The "right" way to do this is to take it to
>>>someone with a charging station, and have them evacuate the system,
>>>saving
>>>the refrigerant, replace all the gaskets, and finally recharge to the
>>>correct quantity of refrigerant.
>>>
>>>If you do it right, it is going to cost you, but you will sleep easier.
>>>You
>>>are saving the environment, and you don't have to worry about the
>>>compressor
>>>slugging liquid refrigerant and blowing its head off.
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
>>>news:a4714$442c6d66$4831b233$9702@FUSE.NET...
>>>
>>>>Will the A/C still cycle on each spring before the recharge?As long as
>>>>you
>>>>are holding any amount of pressure air and moisture cannot get in.
>>>>
>>>>If you are going to go through the time and expense of pulling a vacuum
>>>
>>>you
>>>
>>>>should take all the connectors apart and replace the gaskets. That is,
>>>
>>>most
>>>
>>>>likely, the cause of your leak.
>>>>
>>>>When you refill do not use the refrigerant with oil..... the oil rarely
>>>>leaks out and too much will lower the cooling efficiency and may damage
>>>>components of the system as it is incompressable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"William Pughe" <wlp@ll.mit.edu> wrote in message
>>>>news:npvek0jsdvw.fsf@ll.mit.edu...
>>>>
>>>>>Hi all. Every spring my ac doesn't work(94 grand cherokee), so I
>>>>>charge
>>>>>it
>>>>>and everything seems to be fine until the next spring. $10/year isn't
>>>>>bad.
>>>>>The ac doesn't work great, but it keeps things cool enough. What I'm
>>>>>wondering is would it be worth it to take it to someone who could put a
>>>>>vacuum on it to get all the air out first? I'm guessing air/moisture
>>>
>>>gets
>>>
>>>>>into the system over the winter and reduces the efficiency of the
>>>
>>>system.
>>>
>>>>>Thanks for any help.
>>>>>
>>>>>Will
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>*** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
>>>*** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from
>>>http://www.SecureIX.com ***

billy ray

No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass huts or
caves.

The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they wanted
R-152 which
is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their rationale
was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing to die
a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in an
accident.




"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:CzRXf.56264$915.26803@southeast.rr.com...
>I thought the whole excuse... er reason, we switched from the very
>effective, safe, and inexpensive R12 to 134A was to "save the environment"!
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> William Pughe wrote:
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> writes:
>>
>> R> Yeah, and the only "correct" way to recharge an R134a system, is to
>> evacuate
>>
>>>it, and install the exact quantity of refrigerant that the system
>>>requires.
>>>The putting-a can-in-every-spring method is hit-or-miss, and sooner or
>>>later
>>>is going to screw things up. The "right" way to do this is to take it to
>>>someone with a charging station, and have them evacuate the system,
>>>saving
>>>the refrigerant, replace all the gaskets, and finally recharge to the
>>>correct quantity of refrigerant.
>>>
>>>If you do it right, it is going to cost you, but you will sleep easier.
>>>You
>>>are saving the environment, and you don't have to worry about the
>>>compressor
>>>slugging liquid refrigerant and blowing its head off.
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
>>>news:a4714$442c6d66$4831b233$9702@FUSE.NET...
>>>
>>>>Will the A/C still cycle on each spring before the recharge?As long as
>>>>you
>>>>are holding any amount of pressure air and moisture cannot get in.
>>>>
>>>>If you are going to go through the time and expense of pulling a vacuum
>>>
>>>you
>>>
>>>>should take all the connectors apart and replace the gaskets. That is,
>>>
>>>most
>>>
>>>>likely, the cause of your leak.
>>>>
>>>>When you refill do not use the refrigerant with oil..... the oil rarely
>>>>leaks out and too much will lower the cooling efficiency and may damage
>>>>components of the system as it is incompressable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"William Pughe" <wlp@ll.mit.edu> wrote in message
>>>>news:npvek0jsdvw.fsf@ll.mit.edu...
>>>>
>>>>>Hi all. Every spring my ac doesn't work(94 grand cherokee), so I
>>>>>charge
>>>>>it
>>>>>and everything seems to be fine until the next spring. $10/year isn't
>>>>>bad.
>>>>>The ac doesn't work great, but it keeps things cool enough. What I'm
>>>>>wondering is would it be worth it to take it to someone who could put a
>>>>>vacuum on it to get all the air out first? I'm guessing air/moisture
>>>
>>>gets
>>>
>>>>>into the system over the winter and reduces the efficiency of the
>>>
>>>system.
>>>
>>>>>Thanks for any help.
>>>>>
>>>>>Will
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>*** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
>>>*** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from
>>>http://www.SecureIX.com ***

billy ray

No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass huts or
caves.

The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they wanted
R-152 which
is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their rationale
was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing to die
a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in an
accident.




"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:CzRXf.56264$915.26803@southeast.rr.com...
>I thought the whole excuse... er reason, we switched from the very
>effective, safe, and inexpensive R12 to 134A was to "save the environment"!
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> William Pughe wrote:
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> writes:
>>
>> R> Yeah, and the only "correct" way to recharge an R134a system, is to
>> evacuate
>>
>>>it, and install the exact quantity of refrigerant that the system
>>>requires.
>>>The putting-a can-in-every-spring method is hit-or-miss, and sooner or
>>>later
>>>is going to screw things up. The "right" way to do this is to take it to
>>>someone with a charging station, and have them evacuate the system,
>>>saving
>>>the refrigerant, replace all the gaskets, and finally recharge to the
>>>correct quantity of refrigerant.
>>>
>>>If you do it right, it is going to cost you, but you will sleep easier.
>>>You
>>>are saving the environment, and you don't have to worry about the
>>>compressor
>>>slugging liquid refrigerant and blowing its head off.
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
>>>news:a4714$442c6d66$4831b233$9702@FUSE.NET...
>>>
>>>>Will the A/C still cycle on each spring before the recharge?As long as
>>>>you
>>>>are holding any amount of pressure air and moisture cannot get in.
>>>>
>>>>If you are going to go through the time and expense of pulling a vacuum
>>>
>>>you
>>>
>>>>should take all the connectors apart and replace the gaskets. That is,
>>>
>>>most
>>>
>>>>likely, the cause of your leak.
>>>>
>>>>When you refill do not use the refrigerant with oil..... the oil rarely
>>>>leaks out and too much will lower the cooling efficiency and may damage
>>>>components of the system as it is incompressable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"William Pughe" <wlp@ll.mit.edu> wrote in message
>>>>news:npvek0jsdvw.fsf@ll.mit.edu...
>>>>
>>>>>Hi all. Every spring my ac doesn't work(94 grand cherokee), so I
>>>>>charge
>>>>>it
>>>>>and everything seems to be fine until the next spring. $10/year isn't
>>>>>bad.
>>>>>The ac doesn't work great, but it keeps things cool enough. What I'm
>>>>>wondering is would it be worth it to take it to someone who could put a
>>>>>vacuum on it to get all the air out first? I'm guessing air/moisture
>>>
>>>gets
>>>
>>>>>into the system over the winter and reduces the efficiency of the
>>>
>>>system.
>>>
>>>>>Thanks for any help.
>>>>>
>>>>>Will
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>*** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
>>>*** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from
>>>http://www.SecureIX.com ***

Scott in Baltimore

billy ray wrote:
> No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
> everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass huts or
> caves.
>
> The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they wanted
> R-152 which
> is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their rationale
> was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing to die
> a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in an
> accident.

And all these years I thought it was because of Dupont, the reefer madness
people, created a molecule that was extremely stable. It was so stable, it
remained in the upper atmosphere for a long time, killing all the ozone.

Scott in Baltimore

billy ray wrote:
> No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
> everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass huts or
> caves.
>
> The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they wanted
> R-152 which
> is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their rationale
> was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing to die
> a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in an
> accident.

And all these years I thought it was because of Dupont, the reefer madness
people, created a molecule that was extremely stable. It was so stable, it
remained in the upper atmosphere for a long time, killing all the ozone.

Scott in Baltimore

billy ray wrote:
> No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
> everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass huts or
> caves.
>
> The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they wanted
> R-152 which
> is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their rationale
> was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing to die
> a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in an
> accident.

And all these years I thought it was because of Dupont, the reefer madness
people, created a molecule that was extremely stable. It was so stable, it
remained in the upper atmosphere for a long time, killing all the ozone.

billy ray

Better Things for Better Living Through Chemistry - DuPont 1935

The portion of ozone killing molecules produced by man is only an extremely
small fraction of what 'mother nature' produces. You must think a lot of
mankind's abilities if you think we have the power to destroy the earth...



"Scott in Baltimore" <sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:iqednRshb6kdaLLZRVn-pw@comcast.com...
> billy ray wrote:
>> No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
>> everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass huts
>> or
>> caves.
>>
>> The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they
>> wanted R-152 which
>> is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their
>> rationale
>> was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing to
>> die
>> a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in
>> an
>> accident.
>
> And all these years I thought it was because of Dupont, the reefer madness
> people, created a molecule that was extremely stable. It was so stable, it
> remained in the upper atmosphere for a long time, killing all the ozone.