Joe

PCV filter has oil on it...
Also have a lot of leaks now... Looks like valve cover and below the
distributor?

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F1C6149.7C0D1F48@sympatico.ca...
> Any oil spits in the air filter?
>
> Double check that after driving it a bit or to work and back with the
> new PCV valve.
>
> Those oil caps just plain leak!
>
> That is the only oil leak I have on my 86 CJ7 and the cap is only a
> couple years old.
>
> How does it idle now when warmed up?
>
> Mike
>
> Joe wrote:
> >
> > I looked. They look rough. ReSeated them. The jeep started (rough but
it
> > started). Choke wide open when hot. No sputtering at high speeds. Not
> > gonna celebrate until tomorrow morning. If it starts and I get to work
and
> > back then I'll pop the champange. I'll also replace the choke wire
plug.
> >
> > It still diesels.
> >
> > I replaced the PCV valve and filter. The old PCV valve was not a valve
at
> > all... It was like a PCV valve without the valve. The oil cap also
leaks a
> > little (replaced it today and it leaks as well). What could cause that?
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F1C29F9.6B6BD149@sympatico.ca...
> > > The two red wires in the WOT photo are the choke wires and plug.
> > >
> > > Once heated up, the choke should be wide open. You can verify this
with
> > > the air filter off. Use your finger to make sure there is some load
on
> > > the choke plate holding it open. The plate shouldn't 'flop' around.
> > > The engine must be running to test this.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Joe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sorry if this is a stupid question... Are these the wires you are
> > talking
> > > > about?
> > > > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/258bbd/images/wot.jpg
> > > >
> > > > or this bundle:
> > > > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/25...es/stepper.jpg
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:3F1B380F.33B9D375@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > There are lots of very knowledgeable folks on this group.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sometimes you just have to sit back and digest what was said,
> > especially
> > > > > when you are excited about a new Jeep. ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > I always recommend cheap and easy fixes before going out and
blowing
> > > > > money needlessly.
> > > > >
> > > > > A fuel filter is in the 5 buck range and a new crimp fitting for
the
> > > > > choke is a buck.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know. I mean to go back a re-read everything you posted...
just
> > > > haven't
> > > > > > had the time. I appreciate your help.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3F1B0E37.54E83FFB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > Well, guy, I gave you very good ideas, one of which is likely
the
> > > > > > > trouble on my first reply to you saying what you were driving.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Asking the same question different ways isn't going to change
my
> > > > answer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The jeep still takes a long time to start in the morning.
> > > > Yesterday, I
> > > > > > got
> > > > > > > > it running and ran it for about 1/2 hour. Got ot nice and
hot.
> > Let
> > > > it
> > > > > > sit
> > > > > > > > for about 3 hours and tried to start it. It started right
up.
> > This
> > > > > > morning
> > > > > > > > it takes abunch or tries to get it started again. Any
ideas?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Also, when it is running, I can't get it over 45MPH. It
starts
> > to
> > > > > > sputter
> > > > > > > > and lose a lot of power at about 1500RPM in 5th, 2000 RPM in
> > 4th,
> > > > etc.
> > > > > > Any
> > > > > > > > ideas? I may just get her into a jeep mechanic and have
them
> > fix
> > > > it...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >
news:9R1Sa.10591$Mc.753176@newsread1.prod.itd.eart hlink.net...
> > > > > > > > > I was able to start the Jeep today after about 15 minutes
of
> > > > trying.
> > > > > > Once
> > > > > > > > > it warmed up I was able to get the infamous 2 screws set
back
> > to
> > > > where
> > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > were. Jeep now drives like the day I got it. It still
needs
> > some
> > > > > > tweaks
> > > > > > > > > but at least I can drive it now! It still diesels. I
also
> > > > noticed
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Sol-Vac Vacuum Idle Adjusting Screw is missing (see
> > > > > > > > > http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/solvac.htm). What
problems
> > could
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > cause
> > > > > > > > > and where the heck do I get one of those?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3f181cd6@shknews01...
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks Mike... I'll get a little grease on me this
weekend
> > and
> > > > give
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > update... Been home bound (wife seems to think she's
allowed
> > to
> > > > have
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > life
> > > > > > > > > > and leaves me at home with the 7-month old after work!)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:3F180923.60900646@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > Those screws 'just' adjust the idle speeds, nothing
more.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You did absolutely nothing to the 'running' of it when
you
> > > > > > adjusted
> > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > > except to try and up the idle.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The choke is electric. Check out the plug and socket
for
> > it
> > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > described below in my other post, that is a common
failure
> > > > point.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You also can just open the air filter to verify if the
> > choke
> > > > is
> > > > > > open
> > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Gas filters are cheap. They also can be put on upside
> > down.
> > > > If
> > > > > > > > upside
> > > > > > > > > > > down, the gas gets pumped back to the gas tank instead
of
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > carb,
> > > > > > > > > > > especially when the filter starts to get plugged up a
bit
> > with
> > > > > > dirt.
> > > > > > > > > > > The carb line has more filter material on it than the
> > return
> > > > line,
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > > the center outlet to the carb can be plugged solid and
the
> > > > 'top'
> > > > > > > > outlet
> > > > > > > > > > > to the gas tank return line will still flow.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This also makes for real hard starting in the
mornings.
> > All
> > > > the
> > > > > > gas
> > > > > > > > > > > syphons back to the tank so the pump is air locked.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If you pull off the filter and blow through it, you
might
> > only
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > air
> > > > > > > > > > > coming out the smaller top hole. If you plug this
with
> > your
> > > > > > finger
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > still can't blow air out the center hole or if it is
real
> > hard
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > blow,
> > > > > > > > > > > it is plugged up.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Also forgot... now lots of black smoke out the tail
> > pipe...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > news:VrIRa.106990$Io.9145804@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "'What' 2 screws?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, unfortunately, according to hilton's, I was
> > accurate
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > saying
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "screws". I found the diagram of my carb an the
> > screws I
> > > > > > turned
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > item
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 17. The description for 17 is "screw". Lots of
help!
> > I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > them sets the fast idle and the other does
something
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > choke?
> > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking that I have the choke closed too much.
> > HEre's
> > > > > > exactly
> > > > > > > > > what's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > happening:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday: Test drove the jeep. Started right up.
Went
> > > > about
> > > > > > 20-30
> > > > > > > > > > miles.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Got it up to 55ish. Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday PM: Picked up Jeep. Started right up.
> > Drove
> > > > it
> > > > > > home
> > > > > > > > > (1/4
> > > > > > > > > > > > mile).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday AM: Started the Jeep. Took about 10
trys.
> > > > Adjusted
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > 2
> > > > > > > > > > > > screws
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to increase the idle. Drove about 1 mile. Rough
> > running.
> > > > > > Seemed
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > lose
> > > > > > > > > > > > > power at about 2000 RPM. Adjust screws again.
Went
> > about
> > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > mile.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lost power at abot 1500 RPM. Went 1 more mile.
> > Turned
> > > > off
> > > > > > > > engine.
> > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > engine diesled for about 15-20 seconds (never did
this
> > > > > > before).
> > > > > > > > Got
> > > > > > > > > > Coke.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tried to start it again but it wouldn't start.
Bought
> > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > fluid.
> > > > > > > > > > Got
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it started with the starter fluid (Idles great).
> > Adjusted
> > > > > > srews
> > > > > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Drove it back home. Was only able to get 5-10MPH
up a
> > > > slight
> > > > > > > > rise.
> > > > > > > > > > Made
> > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > home and killed engine. Dieseled 15-20 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm gonna try fixing this this weekend. I will
keep
> > the
> > > > fuel
> > > > > > > > filter
> > > > > > > > > > idea
> > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > mind. I just think I mucked up the choke. It
idles
> > great
> > > > but
> > > > > > > > loses
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > > > when driving. I really wanted to drive my new
Jeep
> > :-(
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F172C4A.BE097F8F@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are long distance, right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'What' 2 screws? There are 4.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, nothing you can adjust on the outside
of
> > the
> > > > carb
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > affect
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > high speed running.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And more than likely it was crapping out,
everytime
> > it
> > > > shuts
> > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts back up the surge plugs the filter a bit
> > more.
> > > > They
> > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > fast
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > over a half dozen starts....
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is really common on Jeeps when they sit.
They
> > have
> > > > > > steel
> > > > > > > > gas
> > > > > > > > > > lines
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and when they sit the gas eventually gets out of
the
> > > > lines
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > rust
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > occurs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just put a used plastic tank on mine and
despite
> > me
> > > > > > flushing
> > > > > > > > it,
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed two gas filters in two weeks. Another
guy
> > was
> > > > here
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > weekend and he is on his forth in two months on
a
> > 'new'
> > > > 82 I
> > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this one weighed a couple pounds full of rust!
I
> > had a
> > > > > > spare.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He only has 32000 miles on it and it sat and his
gas
> > > > tank
> > > > > > must
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > rotten
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > inside, his carb had a half inch of rust chunks
in
> > the
> > > > float
> > > > > > > > bowl
> > > > > > > > > > too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could adjusting the carb cause this are are
the 2
> > > > things
> > > > > > > > > > unrelated...
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > literally started it (it took a while for it
to
> > > > start).
> > > > > > Once
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running, I turned 2 screws, got the idle up.
kept
> > it
> > > > > > running
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes then drove it. There is now no power
when
> > > > going
> > > > > > up
> > > > > > > > > hills,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > etc...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F170680.351EA9DB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The electrical plug and socket on the black
> > round
> > > > choke
> > > > > > > > > control
> > > > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valve cover have a nasty tendency to get
> > corroded.
> > > > No
> > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > choke closes. Partial power, partial close
or
> > > > > > intermittent
> > > > > > > > > > close.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A plugged up gas filter would be my next
guess
> > and
> > > > > > likely
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > trouble
> > > > > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starter fluid got it running, once pumping
the
> > pump
> > > > can
> > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > force
> > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little gas in for a short while.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is a plugged filter, make sure the
return
> > line
> > > > > > outlet
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > top of the filter and the center one goes to
the
> > > > carb.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you get it running, I would expect idle
> > issues
> > > > from
> > > > > > > > > sucking
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > float bowl dry, if so let us know, there are
> > easy
> > > > fixes
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > regular
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things that mess up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry... 1985 CJ7; AMC 258 I6; Carter BBD
> > > > carburetor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote
in
> > > > message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F16DDC7.87DE1652@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just what flavor might this 'new' Jeep
be
> > and
> > > > what
> > > > > > > > engine?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds,
'glass
> > nose
> > > > to
> > > > > > tail
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, got my "new" jeep last night.
Went to
> > > > drive
> > > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > AM.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it idled rough so I tweak the
carb to
> > > > > > increase
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was BAD. The damn thing wouldn't get
over
> > > > 45MPH
> > > > > > so I
> > > > > > > > > > pulled
> > > > > > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked it again. Yeah, that was a
smart
> > > > move.
> > > > > > > > Pulled
> > > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > AGAIN
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked. Worse. Stopped at a gas
station
> > for
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > Vanilla
> > > > > > > > > > Diet
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Coke
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 95 degrees here). Couldn't get the
damn
> > thing
> > > > > > > > started.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bought
> > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fluid and was able to get it running.
> > Tweaked
> > > > it
> > > > > > > > again
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > headed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5MPH up hill. I don't want to assume
> > anything
> > > > but
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > pretty
> > > > > > > > > > > > > safe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that my tweaks are the only cause of
the
> > > > problem?
> > > > > > > > Could
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something else without knowing it? Am
I a
> > > > dumbass?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >

Joe

Just to double check, the PCV valve is the one at the back of the valve
cover?? I've checked Chiltons and it certainly looks like it. My jeep also
has what apears to be a PCV valve at the front of the valve cover (the first
hole behind the oil fill hole). Is this normal? I far as I can tell, this
hole should not have something like that in it. What should be in that
hole?

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F1C6149.7C0D1F48@sympatico.ca...
> Any oil spits in the air filter?
>
> Double check that after driving it a bit or to work and back with the
> new PCV valve.
>
> Those oil caps just plain leak!
>
> That is the only oil leak I have on my 86 CJ7 and the cap is only a
> couple years old.
>
> How does it idle now when warmed up?
>
> Mike
>
> Joe wrote:
> >
> > I looked. They look rough. ReSeated them. The jeep started (rough but
it
> > started). Choke wide open when hot. No sputtering at high speeds. Not
> > gonna celebrate until tomorrow morning. If it starts and I get to work
and
> > back then I'll pop the champange. I'll also replace the choke wire
plug.
> >
> > It still diesels.
> >
> > I replaced the PCV valve and filter. The old PCV valve was not a valve
at
> > all... It was like a PCV valve without the valve. The oil cap also
leaks a
> > little (replaced it today and it leaks as well). What could cause that?
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F1C29F9.6B6BD149@sympatico.ca...
> > > The two red wires in the WOT photo are the choke wires and plug.
> > >
> > > Once heated up, the choke should be wide open. You can verify this
with
> > > the air filter off. Use your finger to make sure there is some load
on
> > > the choke plate holding it open. The plate shouldn't 'flop' around.
> > > The engine must be running to test this.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Joe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sorry if this is a stupid question... Are these the wires you are
> > talking
> > > > about?
> > > > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/258bbd/images/wot.jpg
> > > >
> > > > or this bundle:
> > > > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/25...es/stepper.jpg
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:3F1B380F.33B9D375@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > There are lots of very knowledgeable folks on this group.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sometimes you just have to sit back and digest what was said,
> > especially
> > > > > when you are excited about a new Jeep. ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > I always recommend cheap and easy fixes before going out and
blowing
> > > > > money needlessly.
> > > > >
> > > > > A fuel filter is in the 5 buck range and a new crimp fitting for
the
> > > > > choke is a buck.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know. I mean to go back a re-read everything you posted...
just
> > > > haven't
> > > > > > had the time. I appreciate your help.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3F1B0E37.54E83FFB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > Well, guy, I gave you very good ideas, one of which is likely
the
> > > > > > > trouble on my first reply to you saying what you were driving.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Asking the same question different ways isn't going to change
my
> > > > answer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The jeep still takes a long time to start in the morning.
> > > > Yesterday, I
> > > > > > got
> > > > > > > > it running and ran it for about 1/2 hour. Got ot nice and
hot.
> > Let
> > > > it
> > > > > > sit
> > > > > > > > for about 3 hours and tried to start it. It started right
up.
> > This
> > > > > > morning
> > > > > > > > it takes abunch or tries to get it started again. Any
ideas?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Also, when it is running, I can't get it over 45MPH. It
starts
> > to
> > > > > > sputter
> > > > > > > > and lose a lot of power at about 1500RPM in 5th, 2000 RPM in
> > 4th,
> > > > etc.
> > > > > > Any
> > > > > > > > ideas? I may just get her into a jeep mechanic and have
them
> > fix
> > > > it...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >
news:9R1Sa.10591$Mc.753176@newsread1.prod.itd.eart hlink.net...
> > > > > > > > > I was able to start the Jeep today after about 15 minutes
of
> > > > trying.
> > > > > > Once
> > > > > > > > > it warmed up I was able to get the infamous 2 screws set
back
> > to
> > > > where
> > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > were. Jeep now drives like the day I got it. It still
needs
> > some
> > > > > > tweaks
> > > > > > > > > but at least I can drive it now! It still diesels. I
also
> > > > noticed
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Sol-Vac Vacuum Idle Adjusting Screw is missing (see
> > > > > > > > > http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/solvac.htm). What
problems
> > could
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > cause
> > > > > > > > > and where the heck do I get one of those?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3f181cd6@shknews01...
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks Mike... I'll get a little grease on me this
weekend
> > and
> > > > give
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > update... Been home bound (wife seems to think she's
allowed
> > to
> > > > have
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > life
> > > > > > > > > > and leaves me at home with the 7-month old after work!)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:3F180923.60900646@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > Those screws 'just' adjust the idle speeds, nothing
more.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You did absolutely nothing to the 'running' of it when
you
> > > > > > adjusted
> > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > > except to try and up the idle.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The choke is electric. Check out the plug and socket
for
> > it
> > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > described below in my other post, that is a common
failure
> > > > point.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You also can just open the air filter to verify if the
> > choke
> > > > is
> > > > > > open
> > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Gas filters are cheap. They also can be put on upside
> > down.
> > > > If
> > > > > > > > upside
> > > > > > > > > > > down, the gas gets pumped back to the gas tank instead
of
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > carb,
> > > > > > > > > > > especially when the filter starts to get plugged up a
bit
> > with
> > > > > > dirt.
> > > > > > > > > > > The carb line has more filter material on it than the
> > return
> > > > line,
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > > the center outlet to the carb can be plugged solid and
the
> > > > 'top'
> > > > > > > > outlet
> > > > > > > > > > > to the gas tank return line will still flow.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This also makes for real hard starting in the
mornings.
> > All
> > > > the
> > > > > > gas
> > > > > > > > > > > syphons back to the tank so the pump is air locked.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If you pull off the filter and blow through it, you
might
> > only
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > air
> > > > > > > > > > > coming out the smaller top hole. If you plug this
with
> > your
> > > > > > finger
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > still can't blow air out the center hole or if it is
real
> > hard
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > blow,
> > > > > > > > > > > it is plugged up.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Also forgot... now lots of black smoke out the tail
> > pipe...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > news:VrIRa.106990$Io.9145804@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "'What' 2 screws?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, unfortunately, according to hilton's, I was
> > accurate
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > saying
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "screws". I found the diagram of my carb an the
> > screws I
> > > > > > turned
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > item
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 17. The description for 17 is "screw". Lots of
help!
> > I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > them sets the fast idle and the other does
something
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > choke?
> > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking that I have the choke closed too much.
> > HEre's
> > > > > > exactly
> > > > > > > > > what's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > happening:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday: Test drove the jeep. Started right up.
Went
> > > > about
> > > > > > 20-30
> > > > > > > > > > miles.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Got it up to 55ish. Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday PM: Picked up Jeep. Started right up.
> > Drove
> > > > it
> > > > > > home
> > > > > > > > > (1/4
> > > > > > > > > > > > mile).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday AM: Started the Jeep. Took about 10
trys.
> > > > Adjusted
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > 2
> > > > > > > > > > > > screws
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to increase the idle. Drove about 1 mile. Rough
> > running.
> > > > > > Seemed
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > lose
> > > > > > > > > > > > > power at about 2000 RPM. Adjust screws again.
Went
> > about
> > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > mile.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lost power at abot 1500 RPM. Went 1 more mile.
> > Turned
> > > > off
> > > > > > > > engine.
> > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > engine diesled for about 15-20 seconds (never did
this
> > > > > > before).
> > > > > > > > Got
> > > > > > > > > > Coke.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tried to start it again but it wouldn't start.
Bought
> > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > fluid.
> > > > > > > > > > Got
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it started with the starter fluid (Idles great).
> > Adjusted
> > > > > > srews
> > > > > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Drove it back home. Was only able to get 5-10MPH
up a
> > > > slight
> > > > > > > > rise.
> > > > > > > > > > Made
> > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > home and killed engine. Dieseled 15-20 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm gonna try fixing this this weekend. I will
keep
> > the
> > > > fuel
> > > > > > > > filter
> > > > > > > > > > idea
> > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > mind. I just think I mucked up the choke. It
idles
> > great
> > > > but
> > > > > > > > loses
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > > > when driving. I really wanted to drive my new
Jeep
> > :-(
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F172C4A.BE097F8F@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are long distance, right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'What' 2 screws? There are 4.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, nothing you can adjust on the outside
of
> > the
> > > > carb
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > affect
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > high speed running.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And more than likely it was crapping out,
everytime
> > it
> > > > shuts
> > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts back up the surge plugs the filter a bit
> > more.
> > > > They
> > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > fast
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > over a half dozen starts....
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is really common on Jeeps when they sit.
They
> > have
> > > > > > steel
> > > > > > > > gas
> > > > > > > > > > lines
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and when they sit the gas eventually gets out of
the
> > > > lines
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > rust
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > occurs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just put a used plastic tank on mine and
despite
> > me
> > > > > > flushing
> > > > > > > > it,
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed two gas filters in two weeks. Another
guy
> > was
> > > > here
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > weekend and he is on his forth in two months on
a
> > 'new'
> > > > 82 I
> > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this one weighed a couple pounds full of rust!
I
> > had a
> > > > > > spare.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He only has 32000 miles on it and it sat and his
gas
> > > > tank
> > > > > > must
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > rotten
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > inside, his carb had a half inch of rust chunks
in
> > the
> > > > float
> > > > > > > > bowl
> > > > > > > > > > too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could adjusting the carb cause this are are
the 2
> > > > things
> > > > > > > > > > unrelated...
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > literally started it (it took a while for it
to
> > > > start).
> > > > > > Once
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running, I turned 2 screws, got the idle up.
kept
> > it
> > > > > > running
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes then drove it. There is now no power
when
> > > > going
> > > > > > up
> > > > > > > > > hills,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > etc...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F170680.351EA9DB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The electrical plug and socket on the black
> > round
> > > > choke
> > > > > > > > > control
> > > > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valve cover have a nasty tendency to get
> > corroded.
> > > > No
> > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > choke closes. Partial power, partial close
or
> > > > > > intermittent
> > > > > > > > > > close.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A plugged up gas filter would be my next
guess
> > and
> > > > > > likely
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > trouble
> > > > > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starter fluid got it running, once pumping
the
> > pump
> > > > can
> > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > force
> > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little gas in for a short while.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is a plugged filter, make sure the
return
> > line
> > > > > > outlet
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > top of the filter and the center one goes to
the
> > > > carb.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you get it running, I would expect idle
> > issues
> > > > from
> > > > > > > > > sucking
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > float bowl dry, if so let us know, there are
> > easy
> > > > fixes
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > regular
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things that mess up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry... 1985 CJ7; AMC 258 I6; Carter BBD
> > > > carburetor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote
in
> > > > message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F16DDC7.87DE1652@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just what flavor might this 'new' Jeep
be
> > and
> > > > what
> > > > > > > > engine?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds,
'glass
> > nose
> > > > to
> > > > > > tail
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, got my "new" jeep last night.
Went to
> > > > drive
> > > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > AM.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it idled rough so I tweak the
carb to
> > > > > > increase
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was BAD. The damn thing wouldn't get
over
> > > > 45MPH
> > > > > > so I
> > > > > > > > > > pulled
> > > > > > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked it again. Yeah, that was a
smart
> > > > move.
> > > > > > > > Pulled
> > > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > AGAIN
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked. Worse. Stopped at a gas
station
> > for
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > Vanilla
> > > > > > > > > > Diet
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Coke
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 95 degrees here). Couldn't get the
damn
> > thing
> > > > > > > > started.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bought
> > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fluid and was able to get it running.
> > Tweaked
> > > > it
> > > > > > > > again
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > headed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5MPH up hill. I don't want to assume
> > anything
> > > > but
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > pretty
> > > > > > > > > > > > > safe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that my tweaks are the only cause of
the
> > > > problem?
> > > > > > > > Could
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something else without knowing it? Am
I a
> > > > dumbass?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >

Joe

In this picture: http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/25...ages/knock.jpg
what is the thing coming out of the hole behind the Oil Fill hole? Chilton
has it labled "molded hose"; mine sure looks like and sounds like a PCV
valve (it rattles when shaken).

"Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9llTa.17410$Mc.1322148@newsread1.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> Just to double check, the PCV valve is the one at the back of the valve
> cover?? I've checked Chiltons and it certainly looks like it. My jeep
also
> has what apears to be a PCV valve at the front of the valve cover (the
first
> hole behind the oil fill hole). Is this normal? I far as I can tell,
this
> hole should not have something like that in it. What should be in that
> hole?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F1C6149.7C0D1F48@sympatico.ca...
> > Any oil spits in the air filter?
> >
> > Double check that after driving it a bit or to work and back with the
> > new PCV valve.
> >
> > Those oil caps just plain leak!
> >
> > That is the only oil leak I have on my 86 CJ7 and the cap is only a
> > couple years old.
> >
> > How does it idle now when warmed up?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Joe wrote:
> > >
> > > I looked. They look rough. ReSeated them. The jeep started (rough
but
> it
> > > started). Choke wide open when hot. No sputtering at high speeds.
Not
> > > gonna celebrate until tomorrow morning. If it starts and I get to
work
> and
> > > back then I'll pop the champange. I'll also replace the choke wire
> plug.
> > >
> > > It still diesels.
> > >
> > > I replaced the PCV valve and filter. The old PCV valve was not a
valve
> at
> > > all... It was like a PCV valve without the valve. The oil cap also
> leaks a
> > > little (replaced it today and it leaks as well). What could cause
that?
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:3F1C29F9.6B6BD149@sympatico.ca...
> > > > The two red wires in the WOT photo are the choke wires and plug.
> > > >
> > > > Once heated up, the choke should be wide open. You can verify this
> with
> > > > the air filter off. Use your finger to make sure there is some load
> on
> > > > the choke plate holding it open. The plate shouldn't 'flop' around.
> > > > The engine must be running to test this.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry if this is a stupid question... Are these the wires you are
> > > talking
> > > > > about?
> > > > > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/258bbd/images/wot.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > or this bundle:
> > > > > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/25...es/stepper.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3F1B380F.33B9D375@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > There are lots of very knowledgeable folks on this group.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sometimes you just have to sit back and digest what was said,
> > > especially
> > > > > > when you are excited about a new Jeep. ;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I always recommend cheap and easy fixes before going out and
> blowing
> > > > > > money needlessly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A fuel filter is in the 5 buck range and a new crimp fitting for
> the
> > > > > > choke is a buck.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I know. I mean to go back a re-read everything you posted...
> just
> > > > > haven't
> > > > > > > had the time. I appreciate your help.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:3F1B0E37.54E83FFB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > Well, guy, I gave you very good ideas, one of which is
likely
> the
> > > > > > > > trouble on my first reply to you saying what you were
driving.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Asking the same question different ways isn't going to
change
> my
> > > > > answer.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
'00
> > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The jeep still takes a long time to start in the morning.
> > > > > Yesterday, I
> > > > > > > got
> > > > > > > > > it running and ran it for about 1/2 hour. Got ot nice and
> hot.
> > > Let
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > sit
> > > > > > > > > for about 3 hours and tried to start it. It started right
> up.
> > > This
> > > > > > > morning
> > > > > > > > > it takes abunch or tries to get it started again. Any
> ideas?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Also, when it is running, I can't get it over 45MPH. It
> starts
> > > to
> > > > > > > sputter
> > > > > > > > > and lose a lot of power at about 1500RPM in 5th, 2000 RPM
in
> > > 4th,
> > > > > etc.
> > > > > > > Any
> > > > > > > > > ideas? I may just get her into a jeep mechanic and have
> them
> > > fix
> > > > > it...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > >
> news:9R1Sa.10591$Mc.753176@newsread1.prod.itd.eart hlink.net...
> > > > > > > > > > I was able to start the Jeep today after about 15
minutes
> of
> > > > > trying.
> > > > > > > Once
> > > > > > > > > > it warmed up I was able to get the infamous 2 screws set
> back
> > > to
> > > > > where
> > > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > were. Jeep now drives like the day I got it. It still
> needs
> > > some
> > > > > > > tweaks
> > > > > > > > > > but at least I can drive it now! It still diesels. I
> also
> > > > > noticed
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > Sol-Vac Vacuum Idle Adjusting Screw is missing (see
> > > > > > > > > > http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/solvac.htm). What
> problems
> > > could
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > cause
> > > > > > > > > > and where the heck do I get one of those?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:3f181cd6@shknews01...
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Mike... I'll get a little grease on me this
> weekend
> > > and
> > > > > give
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > update... Been home bound (wife seems to think she's
> allowed
> > > to
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > life
> > > > > > > > > > > and leaves me at home with the 7-month old after
work!)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > news:3F180923.60900646@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > Those screws 'just' adjust the idle speeds, nothing
> more.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You did absolutely nothing to the 'running' of it
when
> you
> > > > > > > adjusted
> > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > > > except to try and up the idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The choke is electric. Check out the plug and
socket
> for
> > > it
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > described below in my other post, that is a common
> failure
> > > > > point.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You also can just open the air filter to verify if
the
> > > choke
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > open
> > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Gas filters are cheap. They also can be put on
upside
> > > down.
> > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > upside
> > > > > > > > > > > > down, the gas gets pumped back to the gas tank
instead
> of
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > carb,
> > > > > > > > > > > > especially when the filter starts to get plugged up
a
> bit
> > > with
> > > > > > > dirt.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The carb line has more filter material on it than
the
> > > return
> > > > > line,
> > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > > > the center outlet to the carb can be plugged solid
and
> the
> > > > > 'top'
> > > > > > > > > outlet
> > > > > > > > > > > > to the gas tank return line will still flow.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > This also makes for real hard starting in the
> mornings.
> > > All
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > gas
> > > > > > > > > > > > syphons back to the tank so the pump is air locked.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If you pull off the filter and blow through it, you
> might
> > > only
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > air
> > > > > > > > > > > > coming out the smaller top hole. If you plug this
> with
> > > your
> > > > > > > finger
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > still can't blow air out the center hole or if it is
> real
> > > hard
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > blow,
> > > > > > > > > > > > it is plugged up.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also forgot... now lots of black smoke out the
tail
> > > pipe...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > news:VrIRa.106990$Io.9145804@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "'What' 2 screws?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, unfortunately, according to hilton's, I
was
> > > accurate
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > saying
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "screws". I found the diagram of my carb an the
> > > screws I
> > > > > > > turned
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > item
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 17. The description for 17 is "screw". Lots of
> help!
> > > I
> > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > them sets the fast idle and the other does
> something
> > > with
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > choke?
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking that I have the choke closed too much.
> > > HEre's
> > > > > > > exactly
> > > > > > > > > > what's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > happening:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday: Test drove the jeep. Started right up.
> Went
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > 20-30
> > > > > > > > > > > miles.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Got it up to 55ish. Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday PM: Picked up Jeep. Started right
up.
> > > Drove
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > home
> > > > > > > > > > (1/4
> > > > > > > > > > > > > mile).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday AM: Started the Jeep. Took about 10
> trys.
> > > > > Adjusted
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > 2
> > > > > > > > > > > > > screws
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to increase the idle. Drove about 1 mile.
Rough
> > > running.
> > > > > > > Seemed
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > lose
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > power at about 2000 RPM. Adjust screws again.
> Went
> > > about
> > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > mile.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lost power at abot 1500 RPM. Went 1 more mile.
> > > Turned
> > > > > off
> > > > > > > > > engine.
> > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > engine diesled for about 15-20 seconds (never
did
> this
> > > > > > > before).
> > > > > > > > > Got
> > > > > > > > > > > Coke.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tried to start it again but it wouldn't start.
> Bought
> > > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > > fluid.
> > > > > > > > > > > Got
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it started with the starter fluid (Idles great).
> > > Adjusted
> > > > > > > srews
> > > > > > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drove it back home. Was only able to get
5-10MPH
> up a
> > > > > slight
> > > > > > > > > rise.
> > > > > > > > > > > Made
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > home and killed engine. Dieseled 15-20 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm gonna try fixing this this weekend. I will
> keep
> > > the
> > > > > fuel
> > > > > > > > > filter
> > > > > > > > > > > idea
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind. I just think I mucked up the choke. It
> idles
> > > great
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > loses
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > when driving. I really wanted to drive my new
> Jeep
> > > :-(
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F172C4A.BE097F8F@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are long distance, right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'What' 2 screws? There are 4.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, nothing you can adjust on the
outside
> of
> > > the
> > > > > carb
> > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > affect
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > high speed running.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And more than likely it was crapping out,
> everytime
> > > it
> > > > > shuts
> > > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts back up the surge plugs the filter a
bit
> > > more.
> > > > > They
> > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > > fast
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over a half dozen starts....
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is really common on Jeeps when they sit.
> They
> > > have
> > > > > > > steel
> > > > > > > > > gas
> > > > > > > > > > > lines
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and when they sit the gas eventually gets out
of
> the
> > > > > lines
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > rust
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occurs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just put a used plastic tank on mine and
> despite
> > > me
> > > > > > > flushing
> > > > > > > > > it,
> > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed two gas filters in two weeks. Another
> guy
> > > was
> > > > > here
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weekend and he is on his forth in two months
on
> a
> > > 'new'
> > > > > 82 I
> > > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this one weighed a couple pounds full of rust!
> I
> > > had a
> > > > > > > spare.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He only has 32000 miles on it and it sat and
his
> gas
> > > > > tank
> > > > > > > must
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > rotten
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inside, his carb had a half inch of rust
chunks
> in
> > > the
> > > > > float
> > > > > > > > > bowl
> > > > > > > > > > > too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could adjusting the carb cause this are are
> the 2
> > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > > > unrelated...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > literally started it (it took a while for it
> to
> > > > > start).
> > > > > > > Once
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running, I turned 2 screws, got the idle up.
> kept
> > > it
> > > > > > > running
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes then drove it. There is now no
power
> when
> > > > > going
> > > > > > > up
> > > > > > > > > > hills,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote
in
> > > message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F170680.351EA9DB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The electrical plug and socket on the
black
> > > round
> > > > > choke
> > > > > > > > > > control
> > > > > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valve cover have a nasty tendency to get
> > > corroded.
> > > > > No
> > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > choke closes. Partial power, partial close
> or
> > > > > > > intermittent
> > > > > > > > > > > close.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A plugged up gas filter would be my next
> guess
> > > and
> > > > > > > likely
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > trouble
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starter fluid got it running, once pumping
> the
> > > pump
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > force
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little gas in for a short while.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is a plugged filter, make sure the
> return
> > > line
> > > > > > > outlet
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > top of the filter and the center one goes
to
> the
> > > > > carb.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you get it running, I would expect
idle
> > > issues
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > sucking
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > float bowl dry, if so let us know, there
are
> > > easy
> > > > > fixes
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > regular
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things that mess up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry... 1985 CJ7; AMC 258 I6; Carter
BBD
> > > > > carburetor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote
> in
> > > > > message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F16DDC7.87DE1652@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just what flavor might this 'new' Jeep
> be
> > > and
> > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > engine?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds,
> 'glass
> > > nose
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > tail
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, got my "new" jeep last night.
> Went to
> > > > > drive
> > > > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > AM.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it idled rough so I tweak the
> carb to
> > > > > > > increase
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was BAD. The damn thing wouldn't
get
> over
> > > > > 45MPH
> > > > > > > so I
> > > > > > > > > > > pulled
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked it again. Yeah, that was a
> smart
> > > > > move.
> > > > > > > > > Pulled
> > > > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > AGAIN
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked. Worse. Stopped at a gas
> station
> > > for
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > Vanilla
> > > > > > > > > > > Diet
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coke
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 95 degrees here). Couldn't get the
> damn
> > > thing
> > > > > > > > > started.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bought
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fluid and was able to get it
running.
> > > Tweaked
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > again
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > headed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5MPH up hill. I don't want to
assume
> > > anything
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > pretty
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > safe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that my tweaks are the only cause of
> the
> > > > > problem?
> > > > > > > > > Could
> > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something else without knowing it?
Am
> I a
> > > > > dumbass?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
>
>

Joe

Are there 2 PCV valves on the 258 I6? Chilton and Hayes only show one PCV
valve and it's at the back of the engine.

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:2UlTa.59379$R92.53088@news2.central.***.net.. .
> Joe wrote:
> > In this picture:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/25...ages/knock.jpg
> > what is the thing coming out of the hole behind the Oil Fill hole?
Chilton
> > has it labled "molded hose"; mine sure looks like and sounds like a PCV
> > valve (it rattles when shaken).
>
> Not the thing pointed at by the arrow, right?
> The doodad on the valve cover just back of the fill plug
> is a pcv valve.
>
>
> <mercy snip>
>
>
>

Earle Horton

It is unlike any vehicle manufacturer to give you two of anything where one
will do the job. ;o)

Earle

"Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:xVlTa.17462$Mc.1292250@newsread1.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> Are there 2 PCV valves on the 258 I6? Chilton and Hayes only show one PCV
> valve and it's at the back of the engine.
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:2UlTa.59379$R92.53088@news2.central.***.net.. .
> > Joe wrote:
> > > In this picture:
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/25...ages/knock.jpg
> > > what is the thing coming out of the hole behind the Oil Fill hole?
> Chilton
> > > has it labled "molded hose"; mine sure looks like and sounds like a
PCV
> > > valve (it rattles when shaken).
> >
> > Not the thing pointed at by the arrow, right?
> > The doodad on the valve cover just back of the fill plug
> > is a pcv valve.
> >
> >
> > <mercy snip>
> >
> >
> >
>
>

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Joe,
Your engine probably started out life with an open molded hose
going back to an electrically controlled solenoid orifice, that had many
problems, fortunately someone has converted it over to a PCV valve.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Joe wrote:
>
> In this picture: http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/25...ages/knock.jpg
> what is the thing coming out of the hole behind the Oil Fill hole? Chilton
> has it labled "molded hose"; mine sure looks like and sounds like a PCV
> valve (it rattles when shaken).
>
> "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:9llTa.17410$Mc.1322148@newsread1.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> > Just to double check, the PCV valve is the one at the back of the valve
> > cover?? I've checked Chiltons and it certainly looks like it. My jeep
> also
> > has what apears to be a PCV valve at the front of the valve cover (the
> first
> > hole behind the oil fill hole). Is this normal? I far as I can tell,
> this
> > hole should not have something like that in it. What should be in that
> > hole?
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F1C6149.7C0D1F48@sympatico.ca...
> > > Any oil spits in the air filter?
> > >
> > > Double check that after driving it a bit or to work and back with the
> > > new PCV valve.
> > >
> > > Those oil caps just plain leak!
> > >
> > > That is the only oil leak I have on my 86 CJ7 and the cap is only a
> > > couple years old.
> > >
> > > How does it idle now when warmed up?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Joe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I looked. They look rough. ReSeated them. The jeep started (rough
> but
> > it
> > > > started). Choke wide open when hot. No sputtering at high speeds.
> Not
> > > > gonna celebrate until tomorrow morning. If it starts and I get to
> work
> > and
> > > > back then I'll pop the champange. I'll also replace the choke wire
> > plug.
> > > >
> > > > It still diesels.
> > > >
> > > > I replaced the PCV valve and filter. The old PCV valve was not a
> valve
> > at
> > > > all... It was like a PCV valve without the valve. The oil cap also
> > leaks a
> > > > little (replaced it today and it leaks as well). What could cause
> that?
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:3F1C29F9.6B6BD149@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > The two red wires in the WOT photo are the choke wires and plug.
> > > > >
> > > > > Once heated up, the choke should be wide open. You can verify this
> > with
> > > > > the air filter off. Use your finger to make sure there is some load
> > on
> > > > > the choke plate holding it open. The plate shouldn't 'flop' around.
> > > > > The engine must be running to test this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry if this is a stupid question... Are these the wires you are
> > > > talking
> > > > > > about?
> > > > > > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/258bbd/images/wot.jpg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > or this bundle:
> > > > > > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/25...es/stepper.jpg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3F1B380F.33B9D375@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > There are lots of very knowledgeable folks on this group.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sometimes you just have to sit back and digest what was said,
> > > > especially
> > > > > > > when you are excited about a new Jeep. ;-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I always recommend cheap and easy fixes before going out and
> > blowing
> > > > > > > money needlessly.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A fuel filter is in the 5 buck range and a new crimp fitting for
> > the
> > > > > > > choke is a buck.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I know. I mean to go back a re-read everything you posted...
> > just
> > > > > > haven't
> > > > > > > > had the time. I appreciate your help.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:3F1B0E37.54E83FFB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > Well, guy, I gave you very good ideas, one of which is
> likely
> > the
> > > > > > > > > trouble on my first reply to you saying what you were
> driving.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Asking the same question different ways isn't going to
> change
> > my
> > > > > > answer.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The jeep still takes a long time to start in the morning.
> > > > > > Yesterday, I
> > > > > > > > got
> > > > > > > > > > it running and ran it for about 1/2 hour. Got ot nice and
> > hot.
> > > > Let
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > sit
> > > > > > > > > > for about 3 hours and tried to start it. It started right
> > up.
> > > > This
> > > > > > > > morning
> > > > > > > > > > it takes abunch or tries to get it started again. Any
> > ideas?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Also, when it is running, I can't get it over 45MPH. It
> > starts
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > sputter
> > > > > > > > > > and lose a lot of power at about 1500RPM in 5th, 2000 RPM
> in
> > > > 4th,
> > > > > > etc.
> > > > > > > > Any
> > > > > > > > > > ideas? I may just get her into a jeep mechanic and have
> > them
> > > > fix
> > > > > > it...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > >
> > news:9R1Sa.10591$Mc.753176@newsread1.prod.itd.eart hlink.net...
> > > > > > > > > > > I was able to start the Jeep today after about 15
> minutes
> > of
> > > > > > trying.
> > > > > > > > Once
> > > > > > > > > > > it warmed up I was able to get the infamous 2 screws set
> > back
> > > > to
> > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > were. Jeep now drives like the day I got it. It still
> > needs
> > > > some
> > > > > > > > tweaks
> > > > > > > > > > > but at least I can drive it now! It still diesels. I
> > also
> > > > > > noticed
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > Sol-Vac Vacuum Idle Adjusting Screw is missing (see
> > > > > > > > > > > http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/solvac.htm). What
> > problems
> > > > could
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > cause
> > > > > > > > > > > and where the heck do I get one of those?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:3f181cd6@shknews01...
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Mike... I'll get a little grease on me this
> > weekend
> > > > and
> > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > update... Been home bound (wife seems to think she's
> > allowed
> > > > to
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > life
> > > > > > > > > > > > and leaves me at home with the 7-month old after
> work!)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F180923.60900646@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Those screws 'just' adjust the idle speeds, nothing
> > more.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You did absolutely nothing to the 'running' of it
> when
> > you
> > > > > > > > adjusted
> > > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > > > > except to try and up the idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The choke is electric. Check out the plug and
> socket
> > for
> > > > it
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > described below in my other post, that is a common
> > failure
> > > > > > point.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You also can just open the air filter to verify if
> the
> > > > choke
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > open
> > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Gas filters are cheap. They also can be put on
> upside
> > > > down.
> > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > upside
> > > > > > > > > > > > > down, the gas gets pumped back to the gas tank
> instead
> > of
> > > > to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > carb,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > especially when the filter starts to get plugged up
> a
> > bit
> > > > with
> > > > > > > > dirt.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The carb line has more filter material on it than
> the
> > > > return
> > > > > > line,
> > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the center outlet to the carb can be plugged solid
> and
> > the
> > > > > > 'top'
> > > > > > > > > > outlet
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to the gas tank return line will still flow.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > This also makes for real hard starting in the
> > mornings.
> > > > All
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > gas
> > > > > > > > > > > > > syphons back to the tank so the pump is air locked.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you pull off the filter and blow through it, you
> > might
> > > > only
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > air
> > > > > > > > > > > > > coming out the smaller top hole. If you plug this
> > with
> > > > your
> > > > > > > > finger
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > still can't blow air out the center hole or if it is
> > real
> > > > hard
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > blow,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it is plugged up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also forgot... now lots of black smoke out the
> tail
> > > > pipe...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > news:VrIRa.106990$Io.9145804@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "'What' 2 screws?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, unfortunately, according to hilton's, I
> was
> > > > accurate
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > saying
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "screws". I found the diagram of my carb an the
> > > > screws I
> > > > > > > > turned
> > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > item
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 17. The description for 17 is "screw". Lots of
> > help!
> > > > I
> > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them sets the fast idle and the other does
> > something
> > > > with
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > choke?
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking that I have the choke closed too much.
> > > > HEre's
> > > > > > > > exactly
> > > > > > > > > > > what's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happening:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday: Test drove the jeep. Started right up.
> > Went
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > 20-30
> > > > > > > > > > > > miles.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Got it up to 55ish. Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday PM: Picked up Jeep. Started right
> up.
> > > > Drove
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > home
> > > > > > > > > > > (1/4
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mile).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday AM: Started the Jeep. Took about 10
> > trys.
> > > > > > Adjusted
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > 2
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > screws
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to increase the idle. Drove about 1 mile.
> Rough
> > > > running.
> > > > > > > > Seemed
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > lose
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power at about 2000 RPM. Adjust screws again.
> > Went
> > > > about
> > > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > > mile.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lost power at abot 1500 RPM. Went 1 more mile.
> > > > Turned
> > > > > > off
> > > > > > > > > > engine.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > engine diesled for about 15-20 seconds (never
> did
> > this
> > > > > > > > before).
> > > > > > > > > > Got
> > > > > > > > > > > > Coke.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tried to start it again but it wouldn't start.
> > Bought
> > > > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > > > fluid.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Got
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it started with the starter fluid (Idles great).
> > > > Adjusted
> > > > > > > > srews
> > > > > > > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drove it back home. Was only able to get
> 5-10MPH
> > up a
> > > > > > slight
> > > > > > > > > > rise.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Made
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > home and killed engine. Dieseled 15-20 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm gonna try fixing this this weekend. I will
> > keep
> > > > the
> > > > > > fuel
> > > > > > > > > > filter
> > > > > > > > > > > > idea
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind. I just think I mucked up the choke. It
> > idles
> > > > great
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > loses
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when driving. I really wanted to drive my new
> > Jeep
> > > > :-(
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F172C4A.BE097F8F@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are long distance, right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'What' 2 screws? There are 4.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, nothing you can adjust on the
> outside
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > carb
> > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > affect
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > high speed running.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And more than likely it was crapping out,
> > everytime
> > > > it
> > > > > > shuts
> > > > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts back up the surge plugs the filter a
> bit
> > > > more.
> > > > > > They
> > > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > > > fast
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over a half dozen starts....
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is really common on Jeeps when they sit.
> > They
> > > > have
> > > > > > > > steel
> > > > > > > > > > gas
> > > > > > > > > > > > lines
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and when they sit the gas eventually gets out
> of
> > the
> > > > > > lines
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > rust
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occurs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just put a used plastic tank on mine and
> > despite
> > > > me
> > > > > > > > flushing
> > > > > > > > > > it,
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed two gas filters in two weeks. Another
> > guy
> > > > was
> > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weekend and he is on his forth in two months
> on
> > a
> > > > 'new'
> > > > > > 82 I
> > > > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this one weighed a couple pounds full of rust!
> > I
> > > > had a
> > > > > > > > spare.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He only has 32000 miles on it and it sat and
> his
> > gas
> > > > > > tank
> > > > > > > > must
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > rotten
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inside, his carb had a half inch of rust
> chunks
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > float
> > > > > > > > > > bowl
> > > > > > > > > > > > too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could adjusting the carb cause this are are
> > the 2
> > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > > > > unrelated...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > literally started it (it took a while for it
> > to
> > > > > > start).
> > > > > > > > Once
> > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running, I turned 2 screws, got the idle up.
> > kept
> > > > it
> > > > > > > > running
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes then drove it. There is now no
> power
> > when
> > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > up
> > > > > > > > > > > hills,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote
> in
> > > > message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F170680.351EA9DB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The electrical plug and socket on the
> black
> > > > round
> > > > > > choke
> > > > > > > > > > > control
> > > > > > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valve cover have a nasty tendency to get
> > > > corroded.
> > > > > > No
> > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > choke closes. Partial power, partial close
> > or
> > > > > > > > intermittent
> > > > > > > > > > > > close.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A plugged up gas filter would be my next
> > guess
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > likely
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > trouble
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starter fluid got it running, once pumping
> > the
> > > > pump
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > > force
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little gas in for a short while.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is a plugged filter, make sure the
> > return
> > > > line
> > > > > > > > outlet
> > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > top of the filter and the center one goes
> to
> > the
> > > > > > carb.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you get it running, I would expect
> idle
> > > > issues
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > sucking
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > float bowl dry, if so let us know, there
> are
> > > > easy
> > > > > > fixes
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > regular
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things that mess up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry... 1985 CJ7; AMC 258 I6; Carter
> BBD
> > > > > > carburetor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote
> > in
> > > > > > message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F16DDC7.87DE1652@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just what flavor might this 'new' Jeep
> > be
> > > > and
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > engine?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds,
> > 'glass
> > > > nose
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > tail
> > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, got my "new" jeep last night.
> > Went to
> > > > > > drive
> > > > > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AM.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it idled rough so I tweak the
> > carb to
> > > > > > > > increase
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was BAD. The damn thing wouldn't
> get
> > over
> > > > > > 45MPH
> > > > > > > > so I
> > > > > > > > > > > > pulled
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked it again. Yeah, that was a
> > smart
> > > > > > move.
> > > > > > > > > > Pulled
> > > > > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AGAIN
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked. Worse. Stopped at a gas
> > station
> > > > for
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > Vanilla
> > > > > > > > > > > > Diet
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coke
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 95 degrees here). Couldn't get the
> > damn
> > > > thing
> > > > > > > > > > started.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bought
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fluid and was able to get it
> running.
> > > > Tweaked
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > again
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > headed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5MPH up hill. I don't want to
> assume
> > > > anything
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pretty
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > safe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that my tweaks are the only cause of
> > the
> > > > > > problem?
> > > > > > > > > > Could
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something else without knowing it?
> Am
> > I a
> > > > > > dumbass?
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> >
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