Thanks Mike... I'll get a little grease on me this weekend and give you and
update... Been home bound (wife seems to think she's allowed to have a life
and leaves me at home with the 7-month old after work!)


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F180923.60900646@sympatico.ca...
> Those screws 'just' adjust the idle speeds, nothing more.
>
> You did absolutely nothing to the 'running' of it when you adjusted them
> except to try and up the idle.
>
> The choke is electric. Check out the plug and socket for it as
> described below in my other post, that is a common failure point.
>
> You also can just open the air filter to verify if the choke is open or
> not.
>
> Gas filters are cheap. They also can be put on upside down. If upside
> down, the gas gets pumped back to the gas tank instead of to the carb,
> especially when the filter starts to get plugged up a bit with dirt.
> The carb line has more filter material on it than the return line, so
> the center outlet to the carb can be plugged solid and the 'top' outlet
> to the gas tank return line will still flow.
>
> This also makes for real hard starting in the mornings. All the gas
> syphons back to the tank so the pump is air locked.
>
> If you pull off the filter and blow through it, you might only have air
> coming out the smaller top hole. If you plug this with your finger and
> still can't blow air out the center hole or if it is real hard to blow,
> it is plugged up.
>
> Mike
>
> Joe wrote:
> >
> > Also forgot... now lots of black smoke out the tail pipe...
> >
> > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:VrIRa.106990$Io.9145804@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net...
> > > Mike,
> > > Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
> > > "'What' 2 screws?"
> > > Well, unfortunately, according to hilton's, I was accurate in saying
> > > "screws". I found the diagram of my carb an the screws I turned are
item
> > > 17. The description for 17 is "screw". Lots of help! I think that
one
> > of
> > > them sets the fast idle and the other does something with the choke?
I'm
> > > thinking that I have the choke closed too much. HEre's exactly what's
> > > happening:
> > >
> > > Sunday: Test drove the jeep. Started right up. Went about 20-30
miles.
> > > Got it up to 55ish. Rough idle.
> > > Wednesday PM: Picked up Jeep. Started right up. Drove it home (1/4
> > mile).
> > > Rough idle.
> > > Thursday AM: Started the Jeep. Took about 10 trys. Adjusted the 2
> > screws
> > > to increase the idle. Drove about 1 mile. Rough running. Seemed to
lose
> > > power at about 2000 RPM. Adjust screws again. Went about another
mile.
> > > Lost power at abot 1500 RPM. Went 1 more mile. Turned off engine.
The
> > > engine diesled for about 15-20 seconds (never did this before). Got
Coke.
> > > Tried to start it again but it wouldn't start. Bought starter fluid.
Got
> > > it started with the starter fluid (Idles great). Adjusted srews
again.
> > > Drove it back home. Was only able to get 5-10MPH up a slight rise.
Made
> > it
> > > home and killed engine. Dieseled 15-20 seconds.
> > >
> > > I'm gonna try fixing this this weekend. I will keep the fuel filter
idea
> > in
> > > mind. I just think I mucked up the choke. It idles great but loses
power
> > > when driving. I really wanted to drive my new Jeep :-(
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:3F172C4A.BE097F8F@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Ok...
> > > >
> > > > We are long distance, right?
> > > >
> > > > 'What' 2 screws? There are 4.
> > > >
> > > > Meanwhile, nothing you can adjust on the outside of the carb will
affect
> > > > high speed running.
> > > >
> > > > And more than likely it was crapping out, everytime it shuts down
and
> > > > starts back up the surge plugs the filter a bit more. They go down
fast
> > > > over a half dozen starts....
> > > >
> > > > This is really common on Jeeps when they sit. They have steel gas
lines
> > > > and when they sit the gas eventually gets out of the lines and rust
> > > > occurs.
> > > >
> > > > I just put a used plastic tank on mine and despite me flushing it, I
> > > > killed two gas filters in two weeks. Another guy was here on the
> > > > weekend and he is on his forth in two months on a 'new' 82 I think
and
> > > > this one weighed a couple pounds full of rust! I had a spare.
> > > >
> > > > He only has 32000 miles on it and it sat and his gas tank must be
rotten
> > > > inside, his carb had a half inch of rust chunks in the float bowl
too.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Could adjusting the carb cause this are are the 2 things
unrelated...
> > I
> > > > > literally started it (it took a while for it to start). Once it
was
> > > > > running, I turned 2 screws, got the idle up. kept it running for
> > about
> > > 5
> > > > > minutes then drove it. There is now no power when going up hills,
> > > etc...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3F170680.351EA9DB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > The electrical plug and socket on the black round choke control
by
> > the
> > > > > > valve cover have a nasty tendency to get corroded. No power and
the
> > > > > > choke closes. Partial power, partial close or intermittent
close.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A plugged up gas filter would be my next guess and likely the
> > trouble
> > > if
> > > > > > starter fluid got it running, once pumping the pump can still
force
> > a
> > > > > > little gas in for a short while.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If it is a plugged filter, make sure the return line outlet is
at
> > the
> > > > > > top of the filter and the center one goes to the carb.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Once you get it running, I would expect idle issues from sucking
the
> > > > > > float bowl dry, if so let us know, there are easy fixes and
regular
> > > > > > things that mess up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > sorry... 1985 CJ7; AMC 258 I6; Carter BBD carburetor
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:3F16DDC7.87DE1652@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just what flavor might this 'new' Jeep be and what engine?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
'00
> > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > OK, got my "new" jeep last night. Went to drive it to
work
> > this
> > > AM.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > that it idled rough so I tweak the carb to increase the
idle.
> > > Well,
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > was BAD. The damn thing wouldn't get over 45MPH so I
pulled
> > > over
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > tweaked it again. Yeah, that was a smart move. Pulled
over
> > > AGAIN
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > tweaked. Worse. Stopped at a gas station for a Vanilla
Diet
> > > Coke
> > > > > (it's
> > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > 95 degrees here). Couldn't get the damn thing started.
> > Bought
> > > some
> > > > > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > fluid and was able to get it running. Tweaked it again
and
> > > headed
> > > > > home.
> > > > > > > > > 5MPH up hill. I don't want to assume anything but is it
> > pretty
> > > safe
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > > that my tweaks are the only cause of the problem? Could I
> > have
> > > done
> > > > > > > > > something else without knowing it? Am I a dumbass?
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

 

I was able to start the Jeep today after about 15 minutes of trying. Once
it warmed up I was able to get the infamous 2 screws set back to where they
were. Jeep now drives like the day I got it. It still needs some tweaks
but at least I can drive it now! It still diesels. I also noticed that the
Sol-Vac Vacuum Idle Adjusting Screw is missing (see
http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/solvac.htm). What problems could this cause
and where the heck do I get one of those?

"Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3f181cd6@shknews01...
> Thanks Mike... I'll get a little grease on me this weekend and give you
and
> update... Been home bound (wife seems to think she's allowed to have a
life
> and leaves me at home with the 7-month old after work!)
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F180923.60900646@sympatico.ca...
> > Those screws 'just' adjust the idle speeds, nothing more.
> >
> > You did absolutely nothing to the 'running' of it when you adjusted them
> > except to try and up the idle.
> >
> > The choke is electric. Check out the plug and socket for it as
> > described below in my other post, that is a common failure point.
> >
> > You also can just open the air filter to verify if the choke is open or
> > not.
> >
> > Gas filters are cheap. They also can be put on upside down. If upside
> > down, the gas gets pumped back to the gas tank instead of to the carb,
> > especially when the filter starts to get plugged up a bit with dirt.
> > The carb line has more filter material on it than the return line, so
> > the center outlet to the carb can be plugged solid and the 'top' outlet
> > to the gas tank return line will still flow.
> >
> > This also makes for real hard starting in the mornings. All the gas
> > syphons back to the tank so the pump is air locked.
> >
> > If you pull off the filter and blow through it, you might only have air
> > coming out the smaller top hole. If you plug this with your finger and
> > still can't blow air out the center hole or if it is real hard to blow,
> > it is plugged up.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Joe wrote:
> > >
> > > Also forgot... now lots of black smoke out the tail pipe...
> > >
> > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:VrIRa.106990$Io.9145804@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net...
> > > > Mike,
> > > > Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > "'What' 2 screws?"
> > > > Well, unfortunately, according to hilton's, I was accurate in saying
> > > > "screws". I found the diagram of my carb an the screws I turned are
> item
> > > > 17. The description for 17 is "screw". Lots of help! I think that
> one
> > > of
> > > > them sets the fast idle and the other does something with the choke?
> I'm
> > > > thinking that I have the choke closed too much. HEre's exactly
what's
> > > > happening:
> > > >
> > > > Sunday: Test drove the jeep. Started right up. Went about 20-30
> miles.
> > > > Got it up to 55ish. Rough idle.
> > > > Wednesday PM: Picked up Jeep. Started right up. Drove it home
(1/4
> > > mile).
> > > > Rough idle.
> > > > Thursday AM: Started the Jeep. Took about 10 trys. Adjusted the 2
> > > screws
> > > > to increase the idle. Drove about 1 mile. Rough running. Seemed
to
> lose
> > > > power at about 2000 RPM. Adjust screws again. Went about another
> mile.
> > > > Lost power at abot 1500 RPM. Went 1 more mile. Turned off engine.
> The
> > > > engine diesled for about 15-20 seconds (never did this before). Got
> Coke.
> > > > Tried to start it again but it wouldn't start. Bought starter
fluid.
> Got
> > > > it started with the starter fluid (Idles great). Adjusted srews
> again.
> > > > Drove it back home. Was only able to get 5-10MPH up a slight rise.
> Made
> > > it
> > > > home and killed engine. Dieseled 15-20 seconds.
> > > >
> > > > I'm gonna try fixing this this weekend. I will keep the fuel filter
> idea
> > > in
> > > > mind. I just think I mucked up the choke. It idles great but loses

> power
> > > > when driving. I really wanted to drive my new Jeep :-(
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:3F172C4A.BE097F8F@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > Ok...
> > > > >
> > > > > We are long distance, right?
> > > > >
> > > > > 'What' 2 screws? There are 4.
> > > > >
> > > > > Meanwhile, nothing you can adjust on the outside of the carb will
> affect
> > > > > high speed running.
> > > > >
> > > > > And more than likely it was crapping out, everytime it shuts down
> and
> > > > > starts back up the surge plugs the filter a bit more. They go
down
> fast
> > > > > over a half dozen starts....
> > > > >
> > > > > This is really common on Jeeps when they sit. They have steel gas
> lines
> > > > > and when they sit the gas eventually gets out of the lines and
rust
> > > > > occurs.
> > > > >
> > > > > I just put a used plastic tank on mine and despite me flushing it,
I
> > > > > killed two gas filters in two weeks. Another guy was here on the
> > > > > weekend and he is on his forth in two months on a 'new' 82 I think
> and
> > > > > this one weighed a couple pounds full of rust! I had a spare.
> > > > >
> > > > > He only has 32000 miles on it and it sat and his gas tank must be
> rotten
> > > > > inside, his carb had a half inch of rust chunks in the float bowl
> too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Could adjusting the carb cause this are are the 2 things
> unrelated...
> > > I
> > > > > > literally started it (it took a while for it to start). Once it
> was
> > > > > > running, I turned 2 screws, got the idle up. kept it running
for
> > > about
> > > > 5
> > > > > > minutes then drove it. There is now no power when going up
hills,
> > > > etc...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3F170680.351EA9DB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > The electrical plug and socket on the black round choke
control
> by
> > > the
> > > > > > > valve cover have a nasty tendency to get corroded. No power
and
> the
> > > > > > > choke closes. Partial power, partial close or intermittent
> close.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A plugged up gas filter would be my next guess and likely the
> > > trouble
> > > > if
> > > > > > > starter fluid got it running, once pumping the pump can still
> force
> > > a
> > > > > > > little gas in for a short while.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If it is a plugged filter, make sure the return line outlet is
> at
> > > the
> > > > > > > top of the filter and the center one goes to the carb.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Once you get it running, I would expect idle issues from
sucking
> the
> > > > > > > float bowl dry, if so let us know, there are easy fixes and
> regular
> > > > > > > things that mess up.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > sorry... 1985 CJ7; AMC 258 I6; Carter BBD carburetor
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:3F16DDC7.87DE1652@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Just what flavor might this 'new' Jeep be and what engine?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > OK, got my "new" jeep last night. Went to drive it to
> work
> > > this
> > > > AM.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > > that it idled rough so I tweak the carb to increase the
> idle.
> > > > Well,
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > was BAD. The damn thing wouldn't get over 45MPH so I
> pulled
> > > > over
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > tweaked it again. Yeah, that was a smart move. Pulled
> over
> > > > AGAIN
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > tweaked. Worse. Stopped at a gas station for a Vanilla
> Diet
> > > > Coke
> > > > > > (it's
> > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > 95 degrees here). Couldn't get the damn thing started.
> > > Bought
> > > > some
> > > > > > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > > fluid and was able to get it running. Tweaked it again
> and
> > > > headed
> > > > > > home.
> > > > > > > > > > 5MPH up hill. I don't want to assume anything but is it
> > > pretty
> > > > safe
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > > > that my tweaks are the only cause of the problem? Could
I
> > > have
> > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > something else without knowing it? Am I a dumbass?
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
>

 

The sol vac is only working if you have an automatic or AC. It is there
to bump up the idle when it goes in gear or loads down from AC.

Mike

Joe wrote:
>
> I was able to start the Jeep today after about 15 minutes of trying. Once
> it warmed up I was able to get the infamous 2 screws set back to where they
> were. Jeep now drives like the day I got it. It still needs some tweaks
> but at least I can drive it now! It still diesels. I also noticed that the
> Sol-Vac Vacuum Idle Adjusting Screw is missing (see
> http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/solvac.htm). What problems could this cause
> and where the heck do I get one of those?
>
> "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3f181cd6@shknews01...
> > Thanks Mike... I'll get a little grease on me this weekend and give you
> and
> > update... Been home bound (wife seems to think she's allowed to have a
> life
> > and leaves me at home with the 7-month old after work!)
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F180923.60900646@sympatico.ca...
> > > Those screws 'just' adjust the idle speeds, nothing more.
> > >
> > > You did absolutely nothing to the 'running' of it when you adjusted them
> > > except to try and up the idle.
> > >
> > > The choke is electric. Check out the plug and socket for it as
> > > described below in my other post, that is a common failure point.
> > >
> > > You also can just open the air filter to verify if the choke is open or
> > > not.
> > >
> > > Gas filters are cheap. They also can be put on upside down. If upside
> > > down, the gas gets pumped back to the gas tank instead of to the carb,
> > > especially when the filter starts to get plugged up a bit with dirt.
> > > The carb line has more filter material on it than the return line, so
> > > the center outlet to the carb can be plugged solid and the 'top' outlet
> > > to the gas tank return line will still flow.
> > >
> > > This also makes for real hard starting in the mornings. All the gas
> > > syphons back to the tank so the pump is air locked.
> > >
> > > If you pull off the filter and blow through it, you might only have air
> > > coming out the smaller top hole. If you plug this with your finger and
> > > still can't blow air out the center hole or if it is real hard to blow,
> > > it is plugged up.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Joe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Also forgot... now lots of black smoke out the tail pipe...
> > > >
> > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:VrIRa.106990$Io.9145804@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net...
> > > > > Mike,
> > > > > Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > "'What' 2 screws?"
> > > > > Well, unfortunately, according to hilton's, I was accurate in saying
> > > > > "screws". I found the diagram of my carb an the screws I turned are
> > item
> > > > > 17. The description for 17 is "screw". Lots of help! I think that
> > one
> > > > of
> > > > > them sets the fast idle and the other does something with the choke?
> > I'm
> > > > > thinking that I have the choke closed too much. HEre's exactly
> what's
> > > > > happening:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sunday: Test drove the jeep. Started right up. Went about 20-30
> > miles.
> > > > > Got it up to 55ish. Rough idle.
> > > > > Wednesday PM: Picked up Jeep. Started right up. Drove it home
> (1/4
> > > > mile).
> > > > > Rough idle.
> > > > > Thursday AM: Started the Jeep. Took about 10 trys. Adjusted the 2
> > > > screws
> > > > > to increase the idle. Drove about 1 mile. Rough running. Seemed
> to
> > lose
> > > > > power at about 2000 RPM. Adjust screws again. Went about another
> > mile.
> > > > > Lost power at abot 1500 RPM. Went 1 more mile. Turned off engine.
> > The
> > > > > engine diesled for about 15-20 seconds (never did this before). Got
> > Coke.
> > > > > Tried to start it again but it wouldn't start. Bought starter
> fluid.
> > Got
> > > > > it started with the starter fluid (Idles great). Adjusted srews
> > again.
> > > > > Drove it back home. Was only able to get 5-10MPH up a slight rise.
> > Made
> > > > it
> > > > > home and killed engine. Dieseled 15-20 seconds.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm gonna try fixing this this weekend. I will keep the fuel filter
> > idea
> > > > in
> > > > > mind. I just think I mucked up the choke. It idles great but loses
>
> > power
> > > > > when driving. I really wanted to drive my new Jeep :-(
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3F172C4A.BE097F8F@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are long distance, right?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 'What' 2 screws? There are 4.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Meanwhile, nothing you can adjust on the outside of the carb will
> > affect
> > > > > > high speed running.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And more than likely it was crapping out, everytime it shuts down
> > and
> > > > > > starts back up the surge plugs the filter a bit more. They go
> down
> > fast
> > > > > > over a half dozen starts....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is really common on Jeeps when they sit. They have steel gas
> > lines
> > > > > > and when they sit the gas eventually gets out of the lines and
> rust
> > > > > > occurs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just put a used plastic tank on mine and despite me flushing it,
> I
> > > > > > killed two gas filters in two weeks. Another guy was here on the
> > > > > > weekend and he is on his forth in two months on a 'new' 82 I think
> > and
> > > > > > this one weighed a couple pounds full of rust! I had a spare.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He only has 32000 miles on it and it sat and his gas tank must be
> > rotten
> > > > > > inside, his carb had a half inch of rust chunks in the float bowl
> > too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Could adjusting the carb cause this are are the 2 things
> > unrelated...
> > > > I
> > > > > > > literally started it (it took a while for it to start). Once it
> > was
> > > > > > > running, I turned 2 screws, got the idle up. kept it running
> for
> > > > about
> > > > > 5
> > > > > > > minutes then drove it. There is now no power when going up
> hills,
> > > > > etc...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:3F170680.351EA9DB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > The electrical plug and socket on the black round choke
> control
> > by
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > valve cover have a nasty tendency to get corroded. No power
> and
> > the
> > > > > > > > choke closes. Partial power, partial close or intermittent
> > close.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A plugged up gas filter would be my next guess and likely the
> > > > trouble
> > > > > if
> > > > > > > > starter fluid got it running, once pumping the pump can still
> > force
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > little gas in for a short while.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If it is a plugged filter, make sure the return line outlet is
> > at
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > top of the filter and the center one goes to the carb.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Once you get it running, I would expect idle issues from
> sucking
> > the
> > > > > > > > float bowl dry, if so let us know, there are easy fixes and
> > regular
> > > > > > > > things that mess up.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > sorry... 1985 CJ7; AMC 258 I6; Carter BBD carburetor
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:3F16DDC7.87DE1652@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Just what flavor might this 'new' Jeep be and what engine?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> > '00
> > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > OK, got my "new" jeep last night. Went to drive it to
> > work
> > > > this
> > > > > AM.
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > > > that it idled rough so I tweak the carb to increase the
> > idle.
> > > > > Well,
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > was BAD. The damn thing wouldn't get over 45MPH so I
> > pulled
> > > > > over
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > tweaked it again. Yeah, that was a smart move. Pulled
> > over
> > > > > AGAIN
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > tweaked. Worse. Stopped at a gas station for a Vanilla
> > Diet
> > > > > Coke
> > > > > > > (it's
> > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > 95 degrees here). Couldn't get the damn thing started.
> > > > Bought
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > > > fluid and was able to get it running. Tweaked it again
> > and
> > > > > headed
> > > > > > > home.
> > > > > > > > > > > 5MPH up hill. I don't want to assume anything but is it
> > > > pretty
> > > > > safe
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > > > > that my tweaks are the only cause of the problem? Could
> I
> > > > have
> > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > something else without knowing it? Am I a dumbass?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> >
> >

 

The jeep still takes a long time to start in the morning. Yesterday, I got
it running and ran it for about 1/2 hour. Got ot nice and hot. Let it sit
for about 3 hours and tried to start it. It started right up. This morning
it takes abunch or tries to get it started again. Any ideas?

Also, when it is running, I can't get it over 45MPH. It starts to sputter
and lose a lot of power at about 1500RPM in 5th, 2000 RPM in 4th, etc. Any
ideas? I may just get her into a jeep mechanic and have them fix it...

"Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9R1Sa.10591$Mc.753176@newsread1.prod.itd.eart hlink.net...
> I was able to start the Jeep today after about 15 minutes of trying. Once
> it warmed up I was able to get the infamous 2 screws set back to where
they
> were. Jeep now drives like the day I got it. It still needs some tweaks
> but at least I can drive it now! It still diesels. I also noticed that
the
> Sol-Vac Vacuum Idle Adjusting Screw is missing (see
> http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/solvac.htm). What problems could this
cause
> and where the heck do I get one of those?
>
> "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3f181cd6@shknews01...
> > Thanks Mike... I'll get a little grease on me this weekend and give you
> and
> > update... Been home bound (wife seems to think she's allowed to have a
> life
> > and leaves me at home with the 7-month old after work!)
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F180923.60900646@sympatico.ca...
> > > Those screws 'just' adjust the idle speeds, nothing more.
> > >
> > > You did absolutely nothing to the 'running' of it when you adjusted
them
> > > except to try and up the idle.
> > >
> > > The choke is electric. Check out the plug and socket for it as
> > > described below in my other post, that is a common failure point.
> > >
> > > You also can just open the air filter to verify if the choke is open
or
> > > not.
> > >
> > > Gas filters are cheap. They also can be put on upside down. If
upside
> > > down, the gas gets pumped back to the gas tank instead of to the carb,
> > > especially when the filter starts to get plugged up a bit with dirt.
> > > The carb line has more filter material on it than the return line, so
> > > the center outlet to the carb can be plugged solid and the 'top'
outlet
> > > to the gas tank return line will still flow.
> > >
> > > This also makes for real hard starting in the mornings. All the gas
> > > syphons back to the tank so the pump is air locked.
> > >
> > > If you pull off the filter and blow through it, you might only have
air
> > > coming out the smaller top hole. If you plug this with your finger
and
> > > still can't blow air out the center hole or if it is real hard to
blow,
> > > it is plugged up.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Joe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Also forgot... now lots of black smoke out the tail pipe...
> > > >
> > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:VrIRa.106990$Io.9145804@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net...
> > > > > Mike,
> > > > > Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > "'What' 2 screws?"
> > > > > Well, unfortunately, according to hilton's, I was accurate in
saying
> > > > > "screws". I found the diagram of my carb an the screws I turned
are
> > item
> > > > > 17. The description for 17 is "screw". Lots of help! I think
that
> > one
> > > > of
> > > > > them sets the fast idle and the other does something with the
choke?
> > I'm
> > > > > thinking that I have the choke closed too much. HEre's exactly
> what's
> > > > > happening:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sunday: Test drove the jeep. Started right up. Went about 20-30
> > miles.
> > > > > Got it up to 55ish. Rough idle.
> > > > > Wednesday PM: Picked up Jeep. Started right up. Drove it home
> (1/4
> > > > mile).
> > > > > Rough idle.
> > > > > Thursday AM: Started the Jeep. Took about 10 trys. Adjusted the
2
> > > > screws
> > > > > to increase the idle. Drove about 1 mile. Rough running. Seemed
> to
> > lose
> > > > > power at about 2000 RPM. Adjust screws again. Went about another
> > mile.
> > > > > Lost power at abot 1500 RPM. Went 1 more mile. Turned off
engine.
> > The
> > > > > engine diesled for about 15-20 seconds (never did this before).
Got
> > Coke.
> > > > > Tried to start it again but it wouldn't start. Bought starter
> fluid.
> > Got
> > > > > it started with the starter fluid (Idles great). Adjusted srews
> > again.
> > > > > Drove it back home. Was only able to get 5-10MPH up a slight
rise.
> > Made
> > > > it
> > > > > home and killed engine. Dieseled 15-20 seconds.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm gonna try fixing this this weekend. I will keep the fuel
filter
> > idea
> > > > in
> > > > > mind. I just think I mucked up the choke. It idles great but
loses
>
> > power
> > > > > when driving. I really wanted to drive my new Jeep :-(
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3F172C4A.BE097F8F@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are long distance, right?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 'What' 2 screws? There are 4.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Meanwhile, nothing you can adjust on the outside of the carb
will
> > affect
> > > > > > high speed running.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And more than likely it was crapping out, everytime it shuts
down
> > and
> > > > > > starts back up the surge plugs the filter a bit more. They go
> down
> > fast
> > > > > > over a half dozen starts....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is really common on Jeeps when they sit. They have steel
gas
> > lines
> > > > > > and when they sit the gas eventually gets out of the lines and
> rust
> > > > > > occurs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just put a used plastic tank on mine and despite me flushing
it,
> I
> > > > > > killed two gas filters in two weeks. Another guy was here on
the
> > > > > > weekend and he is on his forth in two months on a 'new' 82 I
think
> > and
> > > > > > this one weighed a couple pounds full of rust! I had a spare.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He only has 32000 miles on it and it sat and his gas tank must
be
> > rotten
> > > > > > inside, his carb had a half inch of rust chunks in the float
bowl
> > too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Could adjusting the carb cause this are are the 2 things
> > unrelated...
> > > > I
> > > > > > > literally started it (it took a while for it to start). Once
it
> > was
> > > > > > > running, I turned 2 screws, got the idle up. kept it running
> for
> > > > about
> > > > > 5
> > > > > > > minutes then drove it. There is now no power when going up
> hills,
> > > > > etc...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:3F170680.351EA9DB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > The electrical plug and socket on the black round choke
> control
> > by
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > valve cover have a nasty tendency to get corroded. No power
> and
> > the
> > > > > > > > choke closes. Partial power, partial close or intermittent
> > close.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A plugged up gas filter would be my next guess and likely
the
> > > > trouble
> > > > > if
> > > > > > > > starter fluid got it running, once pumping the pump can
still
> > force
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > little gas in for a short while.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If it is a plugged filter, make sure the return line outlet
is
> > at
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > top of the filter and the center one goes to the carb.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Once you get it running, I would expect idle issues from
> sucking
> > the
> > > > > > > > float bowl dry, if so let us know, there are easy fixes and
> > regular
> > > > > > > > things that mess up.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > sorry... 1985 CJ7; AMC 258 I6; Carter BBD carburetor
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:3F16DDC7.87DE1652@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Just what flavor might this 'new' Jeep be and what
engine?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
in
> > '00
> > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > OK, got my "new" jeep last night. Went to drive it to
> > work
> > > > this
> > > > > AM.
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > > > that it idled rough so I tweak the carb to increase
the
> > idle.
> > > > > Well,
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > was BAD. The damn thing wouldn't get over 45MPH so I
> > pulled
> > > > > over
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > tweaked it again. Yeah, that was a smart move.
Pulled
> > over
> > > > > AGAIN
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > tweaked. Worse. Stopped at a gas station for a
Vanilla
> > Diet
> > > > > Coke
> > > > > > > (it's
> > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > 95 degrees here). Couldn't get the damn thing
started.
> > > > Bought
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > > > fluid and was able to get it running. Tweaked it
again
> > and
> > > > > headed
> > > > > > > home.
> > > > > > > > > > > 5MPH up hill. I don't want to assume anything but is
it
> > > > pretty
> > > > > safe
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > > > > that my tweaks are the only cause of the problem?
Could
> I
> > > > have
> > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > something else without knowing it? Am I a dumbass?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

 

Joe wrote:

> it turns nicely, does not fire regularly and fails to start. If it does
> start I have to play with the gas to keep is sturrering along (shake the
> whole jeep). Just replaced cap/rotors. No difference. Wires/plugs next.
> Still get a lot of black smoke out tailpipe.

Black smoke is usually unburnt fuel, as in running rich.

 

Well, guy, I gave you very good ideas, one of which is likely the
trouble on my first reply to you saying what you were driving.

Asking the same question different ways isn't going to change my answer.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Joe wrote:
>
> The jeep still takes a long time to start in the morning. Yesterday, I got
> it running and ran it for about 1/2 hour. Got ot nice and hot. Let it sit
> for about 3 hours and tried to start it. It started right up. This morning
> it takes abunch or tries to get it started again. Any ideas?
>
> Also, when it is running, I can't get it over 45MPH. It starts to sputter
> and lose a lot of power at about 1500RPM in 5th, 2000 RPM in 4th, etc. Any
> ideas? I may just get her into a jeep mechanic and have them fix it...
>
> "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:9R1Sa.10591$Mc.753176@newsread1.prod.itd.eart hlink.net...
> > I was able to start the Jeep today after about 15 minutes of trying. Once
> > it warmed up I was able to get the infamous 2 screws set back to where
> they
> > were. Jeep now drives like the day I got it. It still needs some tweaks
> > but at least I can drive it now! It still diesels. I also noticed that
> the
> > Sol-Vac Vacuum Idle Adjusting Screw is missing (see
> > http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/solvac.htm). What problems could this
> cause
> > and where the heck do I get one of those?
> >
> > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3f181cd6@shknews01...
> > > Thanks Mike... I'll get a little grease on me this weekend and give you
> > and
> > > update... Been home bound (wife seems to think she's allowed to have a
> > life
> > > and leaves me at home with the 7-month old after work!)
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:3F180923.60900646@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Those screws 'just' adjust the idle speeds, nothing more.
> > > >
> > > > You did absolutely nothing to the 'running' of it when you adjusted
> them
> > > > except to try and up the idle.
> > > >
> > > > The choke is electric. Check out the plug and socket for it as
> > > > described below in my other post, that is a common failure point.
> > > >
> > > > You also can just open the air filter to verify if the choke is open
> or
> > > > not.
> > > >
> > > > Gas filters are cheap. They also can be put on upside down. If
> upside
> > > > down, the gas gets pumped back to the gas tank instead of to the carb,
> > > > especially when the filter starts to get plugged up a bit with dirt.
> > > > The carb line has more filter material on it than the return line, so
> > > > the center outlet to the carb can be plugged solid and the 'top'
> outlet
> > > > to the gas tank return line will still flow.
> > > >
> > > > This also makes for real hard starting in the mornings. All the gas
> > > > syphons back to the tank so the pump is air locked.
> > > >
> > > > If you pull off the filter and blow through it, you might only have
> air
> > > > coming out the smaller top hole. If you plug this with your finger
> and
> > > > still can't blow air out the center hole or if it is real hard to
> blow,
> > > > it is plugged up.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Also forgot... now lots of black smoke out the tail pipe...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:VrIRa.106990$Io.9145804@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net...
> > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > > "'What' 2 screws?"
> > > > > > Well, unfortunately, according to hilton's, I was accurate in
> saying
> > > > > > "screws". I found the diagram of my carb an the screws I turned
> are
> > > item
> > > > > > 17. The description for 17 is "screw". Lots of help! I think
> that
> > > one
> > > > > of
> > > > > > them sets the fast idle and the other does something with the
> choke?
> > > I'm
> > > > > > thinking that I have the choke closed too much. HEre's exactly
> > what's
> > > > > > happening:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sunday: Test drove the jeep. Started right up. Went about 20-30
> > > miles.
> > > > > > Got it up to 55ish. Rough idle.
> > > > > > Wednesday PM: Picked up Jeep. Started right up. Drove it home
> > (1/4
> > > > > mile).
> > > > > > Rough idle.
> > > > > > Thursday AM: Started the Jeep. Took about 10 trys. Adjusted the
> 2
> > > > > screws
> > > > > > to increase the idle. Drove about 1 mile. Rough running. Seemed
> > to
> > > lose
> > > > > > power at about 2000 RPM. Adjust screws again. Went about another
> > > mile.
> > > > > > Lost power at abot 1500 RPM. Went 1 more mile. Turned off
> engine.
> > > The
> > > > > > engine diesled for about 15-20 seconds (never did this before).
> Got
> > > Coke.
> > > > > > Tried to start it again but it wouldn't start. Bought starter
> > fluid.
> > > Got
> > > > > > it started with the starter fluid (Idles great). Adjusted srews
> > > again.
> > > > > > Drove it back home. Was only able to get 5-10MPH up a slight
> rise.
> > > Made
> > > > > it
> > > > > > home and killed engine. Dieseled 15-20 seconds.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm gonna try fixing this this weekend. I will keep the fuel
> filter
> > > idea
> > > > > in
> > > > > > mind. I just think I mucked up the choke. It idles great but
> loses
> >
> > > power
> > > > > > when driving. I really wanted to drive my new Jeep :-(
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3F172C4A.BE097F8F@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We are long distance, right?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 'What' 2 screws? There are 4.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Meanwhile, nothing you can adjust on the outside of the carb
> will
> > > affect
> > > > > > > high speed running.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And more than likely it was crapping out, everytime it shuts
> down
> > > and
> > > > > > > starts back up the surge plugs the filter a bit more. They go
> > down
> > > fast
> > > > > > > over a half dozen starts....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is really common on Jeeps when they sit. They have steel
> gas
> > > lines
> > > > > > > and when they sit the gas eventually gets out of the lines and
> > rust
> > > > > > > occurs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just put a used plastic tank on mine and despite me flushing
> it,
> > I
> > > > > > > killed two gas filters in two weeks. Another guy was here on
> the
> > > > > > > weekend and he is on his forth in two months on a 'new' 82 I
> think
> > > and
> > > > > > > this one weighed a couple pounds full of rust! I had a spare.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > He only has 32000 miles on it and it sat and his gas tank must
> be
> > > rotten
> > > > > > > inside, his carb had a half inch of rust chunks in the float
> bowl
> > > too.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Could adjusting the carb cause this are are the 2 things
> > > unrelated...
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > literally started it (it took a while for it to start). Once
> it
> > > was
> > > > > > > > running, I turned 2 screws, got the idle up. kept it running
> > for
> > > > > about
> > > > > > 5
> > > > > > > > minutes then drove it. There is now no power when going up
> > hills,
> > > > > > etc...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:3F170680.351EA9DB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > The electrical plug and socket on the black round choke
> > control
> > > by
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > valve cover have a nasty tendency to get corroded. No power
> > and
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > choke closes. Partial power, partial close or intermittent
> > > close.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > A plugged up gas filter would be my next guess and likely
> the
> > > > > trouble
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > starter fluid got it running, once pumping the pump can
> still
> > > force
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > little gas in for a short while.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If it is a plugged filter, make sure the return line outlet
> is
> > > at
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > top of the filter and the center one goes to the carb.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Once you get it running, I would expect idle issues from
> > sucking
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > float bowl dry, if so let us know, there are easy fixes and
> > > regular
> > > > > > > > > things that mess up.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > sorry... 1985 CJ7; AMC 258 I6; Carter BBD carburetor
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:3F16DDC7.87DE1652@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Just what flavor might this 'new' Jeep be and what
> engine?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
> in
> > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > OK, got my "new" jeep last night. Went to drive it to
> > > work
> > > > > this
> > > > > > AM.
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > > > > that it idled rough so I tweak the carb to increase
> the
> > > idle.
> > > > > > Well,
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > was BAD. The damn thing wouldn't get over 45MPH so I
> > > pulled
> > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked it again. Yeah, that was a smart move.
> Pulled
> > > over
> > > > > > AGAIN
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked. Worse. Stopped at a gas station for a
> Vanilla
> > > Diet
> > > > > > Coke
> > > > > > > > (it's
> > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > 95 degrees here). Couldn't get the damn thing
> started.
> > > > > Bought
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > > > > fluid and was able to get it running. Tweaked it
> again
> > > and
> > > > > > headed
> > > > > > > > home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 5MPH up hill. I don't want to assume anything but is
> it
> > > > > pretty
> > > > > > safe
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > > > > > that my tweaks are the only cause of the problem?
> Could
> > I
> > > > > have
> > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > > something else without knowing it? Am I a dumbass?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >

 

I know. I mean to go back a re-read everything you posted... just haven't
had the time. I appreciate your help.


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F1B0E37.54E83FFB@sympatico.ca...
> Well, guy, I gave you very good ideas, one of which is likely the
> trouble on my first reply to you saying what you were driving.
>
> Asking the same question different ways isn't going to change my answer.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Joe wrote:
> >
> > The jeep still takes a long time to start in the morning. Yesterday, I
got
> > it running and ran it for about 1/2 hour. Got ot nice and hot. Let it
sit
> > for about 3 hours and tried to start it. It started right up. This
morning
> > it takes abunch or tries to get it started again. Any ideas?
> >
> > Also, when it is running, I can't get it over 45MPH. It starts to
sputter
> > and lose a lot of power at about 1500RPM in 5th, 2000 RPM in 4th, etc.
Any
> > ideas? I may just get her into a jeep mechanic and have them fix it...
> >
> > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:9R1Sa.10591$Mc.753176@newsread1.prod.itd.eart hlink.net...
> > > I was able to start the Jeep today after about 15 minutes of trying.
Once
> > > it warmed up I was able to get the infamous 2 screws set back to where
> > they
> > > were. Jeep now drives like the day I got it. It still needs some
tweaks
> > > but at least I can drive it now! It still diesels. I also noticed
that
> > the
> > > Sol-Vac Vacuum Idle Adjusting Screw is missing (see
> > > http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/solvac.htm). What problems could this
> > cause
> > > and where the heck do I get one of those?
> > >
> > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3f181cd6@shknews01...
> > > > Thanks Mike... I'll get a little grease on me this weekend and give
you
> > > and
> > > > update... Been home bound (wife seems to think she's allowed to have
a
> > > life
> > > > and leaves me at home with the 7-month old after work!)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:3F180923.60900646@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > Those screws 'just' adjust the idle speeds, nothing more.
> > > > >
> > > > > You did absolutely nothing to the 'running' of it when you
adjusted
> > them
> > > > > except to try and up the idle.
> > > > >
> > > > > The choke is electric. Check out the plug and socket for it as
> > > > > described below in my other post, that is a common failure point.
> > > > >
> > > > > You also can just open the air filter to verify if the choke is
open
> > or
> > > > > not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gas filters are cheap. They also can be put on upside down. If
> > upside
> > > > > down, the gas gets pumped back to the gas tank instead of to the
carb,
> > > > > especially when the filter starts to get plugged up a bit with
dirt.
> > > > > The carb line has more filter material on it than the return line,
so
> > > > > the center outlet to the carb can be plugged solid and the 'top'
> > outlet
> > > > > to the gas tank return line will still flow.
> > > > >
> > > > > This also makes for real hard starting in the mornings. All the
gas
> > > > > syphons back to the tank so the pump is air locked.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you pull off the filter and blow through it, you might only
have
> > air
> > > > > coming out the smaller top hole. If you plug this with your
finger
> > and
> > > > > still can't blow air out the center hole or if it is real hard to
> > blow,
> > > > > it is plugged up.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also forgot... now lots of black smoke out the tail pipe...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:VrIRa.106990$Io.9145804@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net...
> > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > > > "'What' 2 screws?"
> > > > > > > Well, unfortunately, according to hilton's, I was accurate in
> > saying
> > > > > > > "screws". I found the diagram of my carb an the screws I
turned
> > are
> > > > item
> > > > > > > 17. The description for 17 is "screw". Lots of help! I
think
> > that
> > > > one
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > them sets the fast idle and the other does something with the
> > choke?
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > > thinking that I have the choke closed too much. HEre's
exactly
> > > what's
> > > > > > > happening:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sunday: Test drove the jeep. Started right up. Went about
20-30
> > > > miles.
> > > > > > > Got it up to 55ish. Rough idle.
> > > > > > > Wednesday PM: Picked up Jeep. Started right up. Drove it
home
> > > (1/4
> > > > > > mile).
> > > > > > > Rough idle.
> > > > > > > Thursday AM: Started the Jeep. Took about 10 trys. Adjusted
the
> > 2
> > > > > > screws
> > > > > > > to increase the idle. Drove about 1 mile. Rough running.
Seemed
> > > to
> > > > lose
> > > > > > > power at about 2000 RPM. Adjust screws again. Went about
another
> > > > mile.
> > > > > > > Lost power at abot 1500 RPM. Went 1 more mile. Turned off
> > engine.
> > > > The
> > > > > > > engine diesled for about 15-20 seconds (never did this
before).
> > Got
> > > > Coke.
> > > > > > > Tried to start it again but it wouldn't start. Bought starter
> > > fluid.
> > > > Got
> > > > > > > it started with the starter fluid (Idles great). Adjusted
srews
> > > > again.
> > > > > > > Drove it back home. Was only able to get 5-10MPH up a slight
> > rise.
> > > > Made
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > home and killed engine. Dieseled 15-20 seconds.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm gonna try fixing this this weekend. I will keep the fuel
> > filter
> > > > idea
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > mind. I just think I mucked up the choke. It idles great but
> > loses
> > >
> > > > power
> > > > > > > when driving. I really wanted to drive my new Jeep :-(
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:3F172C4A.BE097F8F@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We are long distance, right?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 'What' 2 screws? There are 4.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Meanwhile, nothing you can adjust on the outside of the carb
> > will
> > > > affect
> > > > > > > > high speed running.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And more than likely it was crapping out, everytime it shuts
> > down
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > starts back up the surge plugs the filter a bit more. They
go
> > > down
> > > > fast
> > > > > > > > over a half dozen starts....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is really common on Jeeps when they sit. They have
steel
> > gas
> > > > lines
> > > > > > > > and when they sit the gas eventually gets out of the lines
and
> > > rust
> > > > > > > > occurs.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just put a used plastic tank on mine and despite me
flushing
> > it,
> > > I
> > > > > > > > killed two gas filters in two weeks. Another guy was here
on
> > the
> > > > > > > > weekend and he is on his forth in two months on a 'new' 82 I
> > think
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > this one weighed a couple pounds full of rust! I had a
spare.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > He only has 32000 miles on it and it sat and his gas tank
must
> > be
> > > > rotten
> > > > > > > > inside, his carb had a half inch of rust chunks in the float
> > bowl
> > > > too.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Could adjusting the carb cause this are are the 2 things
> > > > unrelated...
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > literally started it (it took a while for it to start).
Once
> > it
> > > > was
> > > > > > > > > running, I turned 2 screws, got the idle up. kept it
running
> > > for
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > 5
> > > > > > > > > minutes then drove it. There is now no power when going
up
> > > hills,
> > > > > > > etc...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:3F170680.351EA9DB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > The electrical plug and socket on the black round choke
> > > control
> > > > by
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > valve cover have a nasty tendency to get corroded. No
power
> > > and
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > choke closes. Partial power, partial close or
intermittent
> > > > close.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > A plugged up gas filter would be my next guess and
likely
> > the
> > > > > > trouble
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > starter fluid got it running, once pumping the pump can
> > still
> > > > force
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > little gas in for a short while.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If it is a plugged filter, make sure the return line
outlet
> > is
> > > > at
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > top of the filter and the center one goes to the carb.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Once you get it running, I would expect idle issues from
> > > sucking
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > float bowl dry, if so let us know, there are easy fixes
and
> > > > regular
> > > > > > > > > > things that mess up.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > sorry... 1985 CJ7; AMC 258 I6; Carter BBD carburetor
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > news:3F16DDC7.87DE1652@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Just what flavor might this 'new' Jeep be and what
> > engine?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to
tail
> > in
> > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, got my "new" jeep last night. Went to drive
it to
> > > > work
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > AM.
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that it idled rough so I tweak the carb to
increase
> > the
> > > > idle.
> > > > > > > Well,
> > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > was BAD. The damn thing wouldn't get over 45MPH
so I
> > > > pulled
> > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked it again. Yeah, that was a smart move.
> > Pulled
> > > > over
> > > > > > > AGAIN
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked. Worse. Stopped at a gas station for a
> > Vanilla
> > > > Diet
> > > > > > > Coke
> > > > > > > > > (it's
> > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 95 degrees here). Couldn't get the damn thing
> > started.
> > > > > > Bought
> > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > fluid and was able to get it running. Tweaked it
> > again
> > > > and
> > > > > > > headed
> > > > > > > > > home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5MPH up hill. I don't want to assume anything but
is
> > it
> > > > > > pretty
> > > > > > > safe
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that my tweaks are the only cause of the problem?
> > Could
> > > I
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > > > something else without knowing it? Am I a dumbass?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>

 

There are lots of very knowledgeable folks on this group.

Sometimes you just have to sit back and digest what was said, especially
when you are excited about a new Jeep. ;-)

I always recommend cheap and easy fixes before going out and blowing
money needlessly.

A fuel filter is in the 5 buck range and a new crimp fitting for the
choke is a buck.

Mike

Joe wrote:
>
> I know. I mean to go back a re-read everything you posted... just haven't
> had the time. I appreciate your help.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F1B0E37.54E83FFB@sympatico.ca...
> > Well, guy, I gave you very good ideas, one of which is likely the
> > trouble on my first reply to you saying what you were driving.
> >
> > Asking the same question different ways isn't going to change my answer.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Joe wrote:
> > >
> > > The jeep still takes a long time to start in the morning. Yesterday, I
> got
> > > it running and ran it for about 1/2 hour. Got ot nice and hot. Let it
> sit
> > > for about 3 hours and tried to start it. It started right up. This
> morning
> > > it takes abunch or tries to get it started again. Any ideas?
> > >
> > > Also, when it is running, I can't get it over 45MPH. It starts to
> sputter
> > > and lose a lot of power at about 1500RPM in 5th, 2000 RPM in 4th, etc.
> Any
> > > ideas? I may just get her into a jeep mechanic and have them fix it...
> > >
> > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:9R1Sa.10591$Mc.753176@newsread1.prod.itd.eart hlink.net...
> > > > I was able to start the Jeep today after about 15 minutes of trying.
> Once
> > > > it warmed up I was able to get the infamous 2 screws set back to where
> > > they
> > > > were. Jeep now drives like the day I got it. It still needs some
> tweaks
> > > > but at least I can drive it now! It still diesels. I also noticed
> that
> > > the
> > > > Sol-Vac Vacuum Idle Adjusting Screw is missing (see
> > > > http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/solvac.htm). What problems could this
> > > cause
> > > > and where the heck do I get one of those?
> > > >
> > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3f181cd6@shknews01...
> > > > > Thanks Mike... I'll get a little grease on me this weekend and give
> you
> > > > and
> > > > > update... Been home bound (wife seems to think she's allowed to have
> a
> > > > life
> > > > > and leaves me at home with the 7-month old after work!)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3F180923.60900646@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > Those screws 'just' adjust the idle speeds, nothing more.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You did absolutely nothing to the 'running' of it when you
> adjusted
> > > them
> > > > > > except to try and up the idle.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The choke is electric. Check out the plug and socket for it as
> > > > > > described below in my other post, that is a common failure point.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You also can just open the air filter to verify if the choke is
> open
> > > or
> > > > > > not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gas filters are cheap. They also can be put on upside down. If
> > > upside
> > > > > > down, the gas gets pumped back to the gas tank instead of to the
> carb,
> > > > > > especially when the filter starts to get plugged up a bit with
> dirt.
> > > > > > The carb line has more filter material on it than the return line,
> so
> > > > > > the center outlet to the carb can be plugged solid and the 'top'
> > > outlet
> > > > > > to the gas tank return line will still flow.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This also makes for real hard starting in the mornings. All the
> gas
> > > > > > syphons back to the tank so the pump is air locked.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you pull off the filter and blow through it, you might only
> have
> > > air
> > > > > > coming out the smaller top hole. If you plug this with your
> finger
> > > and
> > > > > > still can't blow air out the center hole or if it is real hard to
> > > blow,
> > > > > > it is plugged up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also forgot... now lots of black smoke out the tail pipe...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:VrIRa.106990$Io.9145804@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net...
> > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > > > > "'What' 2 screws?"
> > > > > > > > Well, unfortunately, according to hilton's, I was accurate in
> > > saying
> > > > > > > > "screws". I found the diagram of my carb an the screws I
> turned
> > > are
> > > > > item
> > > > > > > > 17. The description for 17 is "screw". Lots of help! I
> think
> > > that
> > > > > one
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > them sets the fast idle and the other does something with the
> > > choke?
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > thinking that I have the choke closed too much. HEre's
> exactly
> > > > what's
> > > > > > > > happening:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sunday: Test drove the jeep. Started right up. Went about
> 20-30
> > > > > miles.
> > > > > > > > Got it up to 55ish. Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > Wednesday PM: Picked up Jeep. Started right up. Drove it
> home
> > > > (1/4
> > > > > > > mile).
> > > > > > > > Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > Thursday AM: Started the Jeep. Took about 10 trys. Adjusted
> the
> > > 2
> > > > > > > screws
> > > > > > > > to increase the idle. Drove about 1 mile. Rough running.
> Seemed
> > > > to
> > > > > lose
> > > > > > > > power at about 2000 RPM. Adjust screws again. Went about
> another
> > > > > mile.
> > > > > > > > Lost power at abot 1500 RPM. Went 1 more mile. Turned off
> > > engine.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > > engine diesled for about 15-20 seconds (never did this
> before).
> > > Got
> > > > > Coke.
> > > > > > > > Tried to start it again but it wouldn't start. Bought starter
> > > > fluid.
> > > > > Got
> > > > > > > > it started with the starter fluid (Idles great). Adjusted
> srews
> > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > Drove it back home. Was only able to get 5-10MPH up a slight
> > > rise.
> > > > > Made
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > home and killed engine. Dieseled 15-20 seconds.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm gonna try fixing this this weekend. I will keep the fuel
> > > filter
> > > > > idea
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > mind. I just think I mucked up the choke. It idles great but
> > > loses
> > > >
> > > > > power
> > > > > > > > when driving. I really wanted to drive my new Jeep :-(
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:3F172C4A.BE097F8F@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We are long distance, right?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 'What' 2 screws? There are 4.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, nothing you can adjust on the outside of the carb
> > > will
> > > > > affect
> > > > > > > > > high speed running.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And more than likely it was crapping out, everytime it shuts
> > > down
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > starts back up the surge plugs the filter a bit more. They
> go
> > > > down
> > > > > fast
> > > > > > > > > over a half dozen starts....
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This is really common on Jeeps when they sit. They have
> steel
> > > gas
> > > > > lines
> > > > > > > > > and when they sit the gas eventually gets out of the lines
> and
> > > > rust
> > > > > > > > > occurs.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I just put a used plastic tank on mine and despite me
> flushing
> > > it,
> > > > I
> > > > > > > > > killed two gas filters in two weeks. Another guy was here
> on
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > weekend and he is on his forth in two months on a 'new' 82 I
> > > think
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > this one weighed a couple pounds full of rust! I had a
> spare.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > He only has 32000 miles on it and it sat and his gas tank
> must
> > > be
> > > > > rotten
> > > > > > > > > inside, his carb had a half inch of rust chunks in the float
> > > bowl
> > > > > too.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Could adjusting the carb cause this are are the 2 things
> > > > > unrelated...
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > literally started it (it took a while for it to start).
> Once
> > > it
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > running, I turned 2 screws, got the idle up. kept it
> running
> > > > for
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > 5
> > > > > > > > > > minutes then drove it. There is now no power when going
> up
> > > > hills,
> > > > > > > > etc...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:3F170680.351EA9DB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > The electrical plug and socket on the black round choke
> > > > control
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > valve cover have a nasty tendency to get corroded. No
> power
> > > > and
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > choke closes. Partial power, partial close or
> intermittent
> > > > > close.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > A plugged up gas filter would be my next guess and
> likely
> > > the
> > > > > > > trouble
> > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > starter fluid got it running, once pumping the pump can
> > > still
> > > > > force
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > little gas in for a short while.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If it is a plugged filter, make sure the return line
> outlet
> > > is
> > > > > at
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > top of the filter and the center one goes to the carb.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Once you get it running, I would expect idle issues from
> > > > sucking
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > float bowl dry, if so let us know, there are easy fixes
> and
> > > > > regular
> > > > > > > > > > > things that mess up.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > sorry... 1985 CJ7; AMC 258 I6; Carter BBD carburetor
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F16DDC7.87DE1652@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just what flavor might this 'new' Jeep be and what
> > > engine?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to
> tail
> > > in
> > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, got my "new" jeep last night. Went to drive
> it to
> > > > > work
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > AM.
> > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it idled rough so I tweak the carb to
> increase
> > > the
> > > > > idle.
> > > > > > > > Well,
> > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was BAD. The damn thing wouldn't get over 45MPH
> so I
> > > > > pulled
> > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked it again. Yeah, that was a smart move.
> > > Pulled
> > > > > over
> > > > > > > > AGAIN
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked. Worse. Stopped at a gas station for a
> > > Vanilla
> > > > > Diet
> > > > > > > > Coke
> > > > > > > > > > (it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 95 degrees here). Couldn't get the damn thing
> > > started.
> > > > > > > Bought
> > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fluid and was able to get it running. Tweaked it
> > > again
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > headed
> > > > > > > > > > home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5MPH up hill. I don't want to assume anything but
> is
> > > it
> > > > > > > pretty
> > > > > > > > safe
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that my tweaks are the only cause of the problem?
> > > Could
> > > > I
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > something else without knowing it? Am I a dumbass?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >

 

"excited about a new Jeep"
Bingo! I feel like a kid...

"A fuel filter is in the 5 buck range and a new crimp fitting for the choke
is a buck"
I replaced the fuel filter ($4.99 before tax). Distributer cap and rotors
were worn so I did them today (Less than $10). I have some hoses that are
suspect, a missing cold air induction duct, missing PCV Filter and other
little nickle and dime things to work on while I fix the major issue... I'm
taking the time now to read this thread and figure out what a "crimp fitting
for the choke" is :-)

BTW, I'm a computer guy not a mechanic. Once I know what the problem is I
can usually fix it (I've kept my riding mower and chainsaw going for years
with some major repairs so I have some hope here... LOL)

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F1B380F.33B9D375@sympatico.ca...
> There are lots of very knowledgeable folks on this group.
>
> Sometimes you just have to sit back and digest what was said, especially
> when you are excited about a new Jeep. ;-)
>
> I always recommend cheap and easy fixes before going out and blowing
> money needlessly.
>
> A fuel filter is in the 5 buck range and a new crimp fitting for the
> choke is a buck.
>
> Mike
>
> Joe wrote:
> >
> > I know. I mean to go back a re-read everything you posted... just
haven't
> > had the time. I appreciate your help.
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F1B0E37.54E83FFB@sympatico.ca...
> > > Well, guy, I gave you very good ideas, one of which is likely the
> > > trouble on my first reply to you saying what you were driving.
> > >
> > > Asking the same question different ways isn't going to change my
answer.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Joe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The jeep still takes a long time to start in the morning.
Yesterday, I
> > got
> > > > it running and ran it for about 1/2 hour. Got ot nice and hot. Let
it
> > sit
> > > > for about 3 hours and tried to start it. It started right up. This
> > morning
> > > > it takes abunch or tries to get it started again. Any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > Also, when it is running, I can't get it over 45MPH. It starts to
> > sputter
> > > > and lose a lot of power at about 1500RPM in 5th, 2000 RPM in 4th,
etc.
> > Any
> > > > ideas? I may just get her into a jeep mechanic and have them fix
it...
> > > >
> > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:9R1Sa.10591$Mc.753176@newsread1.prod.itd.eart hlink.net...
> > > > > I was able to start the Jeep today after about 15 minutes of
trying.
> > Once
> > > > > it warmed up I was able to get the infamous 2 screws set back to
where
> > > > they
> > > > > were. Jeep now drives like the day I got it. It still needs some
> > tweaks
> > > > > but at least I can drive it now! It still diesels. I also
noticed
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > Sol-Vac Vacuum Idle Adjusting Screw is missing (see
> > > > > http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/solvac.htm). What problems could
this
> > > > cause
> > > > > and where the heck do I get one of those?
> > > > >
> > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:3f181cd6@shknews01...
> > > > > > Thanks Mike... I'll get a little grease on me this weekend and
give
> > you
> > > > > and
> > > > > > update... Been home bound (wife seems to think she's allowed to
have
> > a
> > > > > life
> > > > > > and leaves me at home with the 7-month old after work!)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3F180923.60900646@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > Those screws 'just' adjust the idle speeds, nothing more.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You did absolutely nothing to the 'running' of it when you
> > adjusted
> > > > them
> > > > > > > except to try and up the idle.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The choke is electric. Check out the plug and socket for it
as
> > > > > > > described below in my other post, that is a common failure
point.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You also can just open the air filter to verify if the choke
is
> > open
> > > > or
> > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gas filters are cheap. They also can be put on upside down.
If
> > > > upside
> > > > > > > down, the gas gets pumped back to the gas tank instead of to
the
> > carb,
> > > > > > > especially when the filter starts to get plugged up a bit with
> > dirt.
> > > > > > > The carb line has more filter material on it than the return
line,
> > so
> > > > > > > the center outlet to the carb can be plugged solid and the
'top'
> > > > outlet
> > > > > > > to the gas tank return line will still flow.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This also makes for real hard starting in the mornings. All
the
> > gas
> > > > > > > syphons back to the tank so the pump is air locked.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you pull off the filter and blow through it, you might only
> > have
> > > > air
> > > > > > > coming out the smaller top hole. If you plug this with your
> > finger
> > > > and
> > > > > > > still can't blow air out the center hole or if it is real hard
to
> > > > blow,
> > > > > > > it is plugged up.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Also forgot... now lots of black smoke out the tail pipe...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >
news:VrIRa.106990$Io.9145804@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net...
> > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > > > > > "'What' 2 screws?"
> > > > > > > > > Well, unfortunately, according to hilton's, I was accurate
in
> > > > saying
> > > > > > > > > "screws". I found the diagram of my carb an the screws I
> > turned
> > > > are
> > > > > > item
> > > > > > > > > 17. The description for 17 is "screw". Lots of help! I
> > think
> > > > that
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > them sets the fast idle and the other does something with
the
> > > > choke?
> > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > thinking that I have the choke closed too much. HEre's
> > exactly
> > > > > what's
> > > > > > > > > happening:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sunday: Test drove the jeep. Started right up. Went
about
> > 20-30
> > > > > > miles.
> > > > > > > > > Got it up to 55ish. Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > Wednesday PM: Picked up Jeep. Started right up. Drove
it
> > home
> > > > > (1/4
> > > > > > > > mile).
> > > > > > > > > Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > Thursday AM: Started the Jeep. Took about 10 trys.
Adjusted
> > the
> > > > 2
> > > > > > > > screws
> > > > > > > > > to increase the idle. Drove about 1 mile. Rough running.
> > Seemed
> > > > > to
> > > > > > lose
> > > > > > > > > power at about 2000 RPM. Adjust screws again. Went about
> > another
> > > > > > mile.
> > > > > > > > > Lost power at abot 1500 RPM. Went 1 more mile. Turned
off
> > > > engine.
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > engine diesled for about 15-20 seconds (never did this
> > before).
> > > > Got
> > > > > > Coke.
> > > > > > > > > Tried to start it again but it wouldn't start. Bought
starter
> > > > > fluid.
> > > > > > Got
> > > > > > > > > it started with the starter fluid (Idles great). Adjusted
> > srews
> > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > > Drove it back home. Was only able to get 5-10MPH up a
slight
> > > > rise.
> > > > > > Made
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > home and killed engine. Dieseled 15-20 seconds.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm gonna try fixing this this weekend. I will keep the
fuel
> > > > filter
> > > > > > idea
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > mind. I just think I mucked up the choke. It idles great
but
> > > > loses
> > > > >
> > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > when driving. I really wanted to drive my new Jeep :-(
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:3F172C4A.BE097F8F@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We are long distance, right?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 'What' 2 screws? There are 4.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, nothing you can adjust on the outside of the
carb
> > > > will
> > > > > > affect
> > > > > > > > > > high speed running.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > And more than likely it was crapping out, everytime it
shuts
> > > > down
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > starts back up the surge plugs the filter a bit more.
They
> > go
> > > > > down
> > > > > > fast
> > > > > > > > > > over a half dozen starts....
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This is really common on Jeeps when they sit. They have
> > steel
> > > > gas
> > > > > > lines
> > > > > > > > > > and when they sit the gas eventually gets out of the
lines
> > and
> > > > > rust
> > > > > > > > > > occurs.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I just put a used plastic tank on mine and despite me
> > flushing
> > > > it,
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > killed two gas filters in two weeks. Another guy was
here
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > weekend and he is on his forth in two months on a 'new'
82 I
> > > > think
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > this one weighed a couple pounds full of rust! I had a
> > spare.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > He only has 32000 miles on it and it sat and his gas
tank
> > must
> > > > be
> > > > > > rotten
> > > > > > > > > > inside, his carb had a half inch of rust chunks in the
float
> > > > bowl
> > > > > > too.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Could adjusting the carb cause this are are the 2
things
> > > > > > unrelated...
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > literally started it (it took a while for it to
start).
> > Once
> > > > it
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > running, I turned 2 screws, got the idle up. kept it
> > running
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > 5
> > > > > > > > > > > minutes then drove it. There is now no power when
going
> > up
> > > > > hills,
> > > > > > > > > etc...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > news:3F170680.351EA9DB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > The electrical plug and socket on the black round
choke
> > > > > control
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > valve cover have a nasty tendency to get corroded.
No
> > power
> > > > > and
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > choke closes. Partial power, partial close or
> > intermittent
> > > > > > close.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > A plugged up gas filter would be my next guess and
> > likely
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > trouble
> > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > > starter fluid got it running, once pumping the pump
can
> > > > still
> > > > > > force
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > little gas in for a short while.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If it is a plugged filter, make sure the return line
> > outlet
> > > > is
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > top of the filter and the center one goes to the
carb.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Once you get it running, I would expect idle issues
from
> > > > > sucking
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > float bowl dry, if so let us know, there are easy
fixes
> > and
> > > > > > regular
> > > > > > > > > > > > things that mess up.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry... 1985 CJ7; AMC 258 I6; Carter BBD
carburetor
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F16DDC7.87DE1652@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just what flavor might this 'new' Jeep be and
what
> > > > engine?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose
to
> > tail
> > > > in
> > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, got my "new" jeep last night. Went to
drive
> > it to
> > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > AM.
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it idled rough so I tweak the carb to
> > increase
> > > > the
> > > > > > idle.
> > > > > > > > > Well,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was BAD. The damn thing wouldn't get over
45MPH
> > so I
> > > > > > pulled
> > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked it again. Yeah, that was a smart
move.
> > > > Pulled
> > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > AGAIN
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked. Worse. Stopped at a gas station for
a
> > > > Vanilla
> > > > > > Diet
> > > > > > > > > Coke
> > > > > > > > > > > (it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 95 degrees here). Couldn't get the damn thing
> > > > started.
> > > > > > > > Bought
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fluid and was able to get it running. Tweaked
it
> > > > again
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > headed
> > > > > > > > > > > home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5MPH up hill. I don't want to assume anything
but
> > is
> > > > it
> > > > > > > > pretty
> > > > > > > > > safe
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that my tweaks are the only cause of the
problem?
> > > > Could
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something else without knowing it? Am I a
dumbass?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >

 

The electric plug on the choke could be corroded and need a new crimp on
or solder on spade connector.

Mike

Joe wrote:
>
> "excited about a new Jeep"
> Bingo! I feel like a kid...
>
> "A fuel filter is in the 5 buck range and a new crimp fitting for the choke
> is a buck"
> I replaced the fuel filter ($4.99 before tax). Distributer cap and rotors
> were worn so I did them today (Less than $10). I have some hoses that are
> suspect, a missing cold air induction duct, missing PCV Filter and other
> little nickle and dime things to work on while I fix the major issue... I'm
> taking the time now to read this thread and figure out what a "crimp fitting
> for the choke" is :-)
>
> BTW, I'm a computer guy not a mechanic. Once I know what the problem is I
> can usually fix it (I've kept my riding mower and chainsaw going for years
> with some major repairs so I have some hope here... LOL)
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F1B380F.33B9D375@sympatico.ca...
> > There are lots of very knowledgeable folks on this group.
> >
> > Sometimes you just have to sit back and digest what was said, especially
> > when you are excited about a new Jeep. ;-)
> >
> > I always recommend cheap and easy fixes before going out and blowing
> > money needlessly.
> >
> > A fuel filter is in the 5 buck range and a new crimp fitting for the
> > choke is a buck.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Joe wrote:
> > >
> > > I know. I mean to go back a re-read everything you posted... just
> haven't
> > > had the time. I appreciate your help.
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:3F1B0E37.54E83FFB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Well, guy, I gave you very good ideas, one of which is likely the
> > > > trouble on my first reply to you saying what you were driving.
> > > >
> > > > Asking the same question different ways isn't going to change my
> answer.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The jeep still takes a long time to start in the morning.
> Yesterday, I
> > > got
> > > > > it running and ran it for about 1/2 hour. Got ot nice and hot. Let
> it
> > > sit
> > > > > for about 3 hours and tried to start it. It started right up. This
> > > morning
> > > > > it takes abunch or tries to get it started again. Any ideas?
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, when it is running, I can't get it over 45MPH. It starts to
> > > sputter
> > > > > and lose a lot of power at about 1500RPM in 5th, 2000 RPM in 4th,
> etc.
> > > Any
> > > > > ideas? I may just get her into a jeep mechanic and have them fix
> it...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:9R1Sa.10591$Mc.753176@newsread1.prod.itd.eart hlink.net...
> > > > > > I was able to start the Jeep today after about 15 minutes of
> trying.
> > > Once
> > > > > > it warmed up I was able to get the infamous 2 screws set back to
> where
> > > > > they
> > > > > > were. Jeep now drives like the day I got it. It still needs some
> > > tweaks
> > > > > > but at least I can drive it now! It still diesels. I also
> noticed
> > > that
> > > > > the
> > > > > > Sol-Vac Vacuum Idle Adjusting Screw is missing (see
> > > > > > http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/solvac.htm). What problems could
> this
> > > > > cause
> > > > > > and where the heck do I get one of those?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3f181cd6@shknews01...
> > > > > > > Thanks Mike... I'll get a little grease on me this weekend and
> give
> > > you
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > update... Been home bound (wife seems to think she's allowed to
> have
> > > a
> > > > > > life
> > > > > > > and leaves me at home with the 7-month old after work!)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:3F180923.60900646@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > Those screws 'just' adjust the idle speeds, nothing more.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You did absolutely nothing to the 'running' of it when you
> > > adjusted
> > > > > them
> > > > > > > > except to try and up the idle.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The choke is electric. Check out the plug and socket for it
> as
> > > > > > > > described below in my other post, that is a common failure
> point.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You also can just open the air filter to verify if the choke
> is
> > > open
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gas filters are cheap. They also can be put on upside down.
> If
> > > > > upside
> > > > > > > > down, the gas gets pumped back to the gas tank instead of to
> the
> > > carb,
> > > > > > > > especially when the filter starts to get plugged up a bit with
> > > dirt.
> > > > > > > > The carb line has more filter material on it than the return
> line,
> > > so
> > > > > > > > the center outlet to the carb can be plugged solid and the
> 'top'
> > > > > outlet
> > > > > > > > to the gas tank return line will still flow.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This also makes for real hard starting in the mornings. All
> the
> > > gas
> > > > > > > > syphons back to the tank so the pump is air locked.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you pull off the filter and blow through it, you might only
> > > have
> > > > > air
> > > > > > > > coming out the smaller top hole. If you plug this with your
> > > finger
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > still can't blow air out the center hole or if it is real hard
> to
> > > > > blow,
> > > > > > > > it is plugged up.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Also forgot... now lots of black smoke out the tail pipe...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > >
> news:VrIRa.106990$Io.9145804@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net...
> > > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > > > > > > "'What' 2 screws?"
> > > > > > > > > > Well, unfortunately, according to hilton's, I was accurate
> in
> > > > > saying
> > > > > > > > > > "screws". I found the diagram of my carb an the screws I
> > > turned
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > item
> > > > > > > > > > 17. The description for 17 is "screw". Lots of help! I
> > > think
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > them sets the fast idle and the other does something with
> the
> > > > > choke?
> > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > thinking that I have the choke closed too much. HEre's
> > > exactly
> > > > > > what's
> > > > > > > > > > happening:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sunday: Test drove the jeep. Started right up. Went
> about
> > > 20-30
> > > > > > > miles.
> > > > > > > > > > Got it up to 55ish. Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > > Wednesday PM: Picked up Jeep. Started right up. Drove
> it
> > > home
> > > > > > (1/4
> > > > > > > > > mile).
> > > > > > > > > > Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > > Thursday AM: Started the Jeep. Took about 10 trys.
> Adjusted
> > > the
> > > > > 2
> > > > > > > > > screws
> > > > > > > > > > to increase the idle. Drove about 1 mile. Rough running.
> > > Seemed
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > lose
> > > > > > > > > > power at about 2000 RPM. Adjust screws again. Went about
> > > another
> > > > > > > mile.
> > > > > > > > > > Lost power at abot 1500 RPM. Went 1 more mile. Turned
> off
> > > > > engine.
> > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > engine diesled for about 15-20 seconds (never did this
> > > before).
> > > > > Got
> > > > > > > Coke.
> > > > > > > > > > Tried to start it again but it wouldn't start. Bought
> starter
> > > > > > fluid.
> > > > > > > Got
> > > > > > > > > > it started with the starter fluid (Idles great). Adjusted
> > > srews
> > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > > > Drove it back home. Was only able to get 5-10MPH up a
> slight
> > > > > rise.
> > > > > > > Made
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > home and killed engine. Dieseled 15-20 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm gonna try fixing this this weekend. I will keep the
> fuel
> > > > > filter
> > > > > > > idea
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > mind. I just think I mucked up the choke. It idles great
> but
> > > > > loses
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > when driving. I really wanted to drive my new Jeep :-(
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:3F172C4A.BE097F8F@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > We are long distance, right?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 'What' 2 screws? There are 4.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, nothing you can adjust on the outside of the
> carb
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > affect
> > > > > > > > > > > high speed running.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > And more than likely it was crapping out, everytime it
> shuts
> > > > > down
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > starts back up the surge plugs the filter a bit more.
> They
> > > go
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > fast
> > > > > > > > > > > over a half dozen starts....
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This is really common on Jeeps when they sit. They have
> > > steel
> > > > > gas
> > > > > > > lines
> > > > > > > > > > > and when they sit the gas eventually gets out of the
> lines
> > > and
> > > > > > rust
> > > > > > > > > > > occurs.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I just put a used plastic tank on mine and despite me
> > > flushing
> > > > > it,
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > killed two gas filters in two weeks. Another guy was
> here
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > weekend and he is on his forth in two months on a 'new'
> 82 I
> > > > > think
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > this one weighed a couple pounds full of rust! I had a
> > > spare.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > He only has 32000 miles on it and it sat and his gas
> tank
> > > must
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > rotten
> > > > > > > > > > > inside, his carb had a half inch of rust chunks in the
> float
> > > > > bowl
> > > > > > > too.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Could adjusting the carb cause this are are the 2
> things
> > > > > > > unrelated...
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > literally started it (it took a while for it to
> start).
> > > Once
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > running, I turned 2 screws, got the idle up. kept it
> > > running
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > 5
> > > > > > > > > > > > minutes then drove it. There is now no power when
> going
> > > up
> > > > > > hills,
> > > > > > > > > > etc...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F170680.351EA9DB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The electrical plug and socket on the black round
> choke
> > > > > > control
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > valve cover have a nasty tendency to get corroded.
> No
> > > power
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > choke closes. Partial power, partial close or
> > > intermittent
> > > > > > > close.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > A plugged up gas filter would be my next guess and
> > > likely
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > trouble
> > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > starter fluid got it running, once pumping the pump
> can
> > > > > still
> > > > > > > force
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > little gas in for a short while.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is a plugged filter, make sure the return line
> > > outlet
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > top of the filter and the center one goes to the
> carb.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you get it running, I would expect idle issues
> from
> > > > > > sucking
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > float bowl dry, if so let us know, there are easy
> fixes
> > > and
> > > > > > > regular
> > > > > > > > > > > > > things that mess up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry... 1985 CJ7; AMC 258 I6; Carter BBD
> carburetor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F16DDC7.87DE1652@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just what flavor might this 'new' Jeep be and
> what
> > > > > engine?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose
> to
> > > tail
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, got my "new" jeep last night. Went to
> drive
> > > it to
> > > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > AM.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it idled rough so I tweak the carb to
> > > increase
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > idle.
> > > > > > > > > > Well,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was BAD. The damn thing wouldn't get over
> 45MPH
> > > so I
> > > > > > > pulled
> > > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked it again. Yeah, that was a smart
> move.
> > > > > Pulled
> > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > AGAIN
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked. Worse. Stopped at a gas station for
> a
> > > > > Vanilla
> > > > > > > Diet
> > > > > > > > > > Coke
> > > > > > > > > > > > (it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 95 degrees here). Couldn't get the damn thing
> > > > > started.
> > > > > > > > > Bought
> > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fluid and was able to get it running. Tweaked
> it
> > > > > again
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > headed
> > > > > > > > > > > > home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5MPH up hill. I don't want to assume anything
> but
> > > is
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > pretty
> > > > > > > > > > safe
> > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that my tweaks are the only cause of the
> problem?
> > > > > Could
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something else without knowing it? Am I a
> dumbass?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >