A case of death wobble today
#251
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Re: A case of death wobble today
AKA Roy,
I thought you had an engineering degree, and understood leverage.
OK I'll draw you a picture of a shackle lift and it's bent springs:
http://www.----------.com/93-YJ-2.jpg
compared to stock shackles and springs:
http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...994_4_full.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Roy J wrote:
>
> Come again?
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>
> > Except putting a longer shackle on increases it's leverage on the
> > spring, almost instantly pulling the arc out of the spring, for no
> > change.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
I thought you had an engineering degree, and understood leverage.
OK I'll draw you a picture of a shackle lift and it's bent springs:
http://www.----------.com/93-YJ-2.jpg
compared to stock shackles and springs:
http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...994_4_full.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Roy J wrote:
>
> Come again?
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>
> > Except putting a longer shackle on increases it's leverage on the
> > spring, almost instantly pulling the arc out of the spring, for no
> > change.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
#252
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Re: A case of death wobble today
AKA Roy,
I thought you had an engineering degree, and understood leverage.
OK I'll draw you a picture of a shackle lift and it's bent springs:
http://www.----------.com/93-YJ-2.jpg
compared to stock shackles and springs:
http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...994_4_full.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Roy J wrote:
>
> Come again?
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>
> > Except putting a longer shackle on increases it's leverage on the
> > spring, almost instantly pulling the arc out of the spring, for no
> > change.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
I thought you had an engineering degree, and understood leverage.
OK I'll draw you a picture of a shackle lift and it's bent springs:
http://www.----------.com/93-YJ-2.jpg
compared to stock shackles and springs:
http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...994_4_full.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Roy J wrote:
>
> Come again?
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>
> > Except putting a longer shackle on increases it's leverage on the
> > spring, almost instantly pulling the arc out of the spring, for no
> > change.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
#253
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Re: A case of death wobble today
AKA Roy,
I thought you had an engineering degree, and understood leverage.
OK I'll draw you a picture of a shackle lift and it's bent springs:
http://www.----------.com/93-YJ-2.jpg
compared to stock shackles and springs:
http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...994_4_full.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Roy J wrote:
>
> Come again?
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>
> > Except putting a longer shackle on increases it's leverage on the
> > spring, almost instantly pulling the arc out of the spring, for no
> > change.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
I thought you had an engineering degree, and understood leverage.
OK I'll draw you a picture of a shackle lift and it's bent springs:
http://www.----------.com/93-YJ-2.jpg
compared to stock shackles and springs:
http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...994_4_full.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Roy J wrote:
>
> Come again?
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>
> > Except putting a longer shackle on increases it's leverage on the
> > spring, almost instantly pulling the arc out of the spring, for no
> > change.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
#254
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Re: A case of death wobble today
AKA Roy,
Jeez, Terry, added for us, we wouldn't be able to drive out of the
driveway if we were out twelve ounces, and doubt a tire store would sell
a tire that far out of whack.
3/16" is more than I would like, I prefer an eighth on 32" tires,
but it's in the ball park if your engineering degree will allow you to
figure the base of an isosceles triangle with 18 1/2" sides, and an
included angle of .45 degrees, according to an XJ alignment:
http://www.----------.com/alignment.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Roy J wrote:
>
> 3/16" toe in is excessive for large tires, one wheel with total
> of 12 oz is a LOT. That will kick off DW, fix those.
>
> **NOW** you can go change the stabilzier!!
>
> Cheers.
Jeez, Terry, added for us, we wouldn't be able to drive out of the
driveway if we were out twelve ounces, and doubt a tire store would sell
a tire that far out of whack.
3/16" is more than I would like, I prefer an eighth on 32" tires,
but it's in the ball park if your engineering degree will allow you to
figure the base of an isosceles triangle with 18 1/2" sides, and an
included angle of .45 degrees, according to an XJ alignment:
http://www.----------.com/alignment.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Roy J wrote:
>
> 3/16" toe in is excessive for large tires, one wheel with total
> of 12 oz is a LOT. That will kick off DW, fix those.
>
> **NOW** you can go change the stabilzier!!
>
> Cheers.
#255
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Re: A case of death wobble today
AKA Roy,
Jeez, Terry, added for us, we wouldn't be able to drive out of the
driveway if we were out twelve ounces, and doubt a tire store would sell
a tire that far out of whack.
3/16" is more than I would like, I prefer an eighth on 32" tires,
but it's in the ball park if your engineering degree will allow you to
figure the base of an isosceles triangle with 18 1/2" sides, and an
included angle of .45 degrees, according to an XJ alignment:
http://www.----------.com/alignment.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Roy J wrote:
>
> 3/16" toe in is excessive for large tires, one wheel with total
> of 12 oz is a LOT. That will kick off DW, fix those.
>
> **NOW** you can go change the stabilzier!!
>
> Cheers.
Jeez, Terry, added for us, we wouldn't be able to drive out of the
driveway if we were out twelve ounces, and doubt a tire store would sell
a tire that far out of whack.
3/16" is more than I would like, I prefer an eighth on 32" tires,
but it's in the ball park if your engineering degree will allow you to
figure the base of an isosceles triangle with 18 1/2" sides, and an
included angle of .45 degrees, according to an XJ alignment:
http://www.----------.com/alignment.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Roy J wrote:
>
> 3/16" toe in is excessive for large tires, one wheel with total
> of 12 oz is a LOT. That will kick off DW, fix those.
>
> **NOW** you can go change the stabilzier!!
>
> Cheers.
#256
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Re: A case of death wobble today
AKA Roy,
Jeez, Terry, added for us, we wouldn't be able to drive out of the
driveway if we were out twelve ounces, and doubt a tire store would sell
a tire that far out of whack.
3/16" is more than I would like, I prefer an eighth on 32" tires,
but it's in the ball park if your engineering degree will allow you to
figure the base of an isosceles triangle with 18 1/2" sides, and an
included angle of .45 degrees, according to an XJ alignment:
http://www.----------.com/alignment.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Roy J wrote:
>
> 3/16" toe in is excessive for large tires, one wheel with total
> of 12 oz is a LOT. That will kick off DW, fix those.
>
> **NOW** you can go change the stabilzier!!
>
> Cheers.
Jeez, Terry, added for us, we wouldn't be able to drive out of the
driveway if we were out twelve ounces, and doubt a tire store would sell
a tire that far out of whack.
3/16" is more than I would like, I prefer an eighth on 32" tires,
but it's in the ball park if your engineering degree will allow you to
figure the base of an isosceles triangle with 18 1/2" sides, and an
included angle of .45 degrees, according to an XJ alignment:
http://www.----------.com/alignment.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Roy J wrote:
>
> 3/16" toe in is excessive for large tires, one wheel with total
> of 12 oz is a LOT. That will kick off DW, fix those.
>
> **NOW** you can go change the stabilzier!!
>
> Cheers.
#257
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Re: A case of death wobble today
Yes, total of 6oz not 12.
I tried it out without the track bar but with the old stabilizer just to see
how she handled. Not as bad, but still some wobble. I again took it to
another different mechanic for another look. 3rd time's a charm. This guy
seemed to know his sh*t more than the others. He found some slight play in
the drag link end where the drag link meets the tie-rod that I overlooked.
I will replace both the sleeve and the end to get a good snug fit. Betcha
this is the root cause. But looks like it had an array of small problems
that finally added up to the DW.
Terry.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:403BB6BE.6604D8CD@***.net...
> AKA Roy,
> Jeez, Terry, added for us, we wouldn't be able to drive out of the
> driveway if we were out twelve ounces, and doubt a tire store would sell
> a tire that far out of whack.
> 3/16" is more than I would like, I prefer an eighth on 32" tires,
> but it's in the ball park if your engineering degree will allow you to
> figure the base of an isosceles triangle with 18 1/2" sides, and an
> included angle of .45 degrees, according to an XJ alignment:
> http://www.----------.com/alignment.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
> >
> > 3/16" toe in is excessive for large tires, one wheel with total
> > of 12 oz is a LOT. That will kick off DW, fix those.
> >
> > **NOW** you can go change the stabilzier!!
> >
> > Cheers.
I tried it out without the track bar but with the old stabilizer just to see
how she handled. Not as bad, but still some wobble. I again took it to
another different mechanic for another look. 3rd time's a charm. This guy
seemed to know his sh*t more than the others. He found some slight play in
the drag link end where the drag link meets the tie-rod that I overlooked.
I will replace both the sleeve and the end to get a good snug fit. Betcha
this is the root cause. But looks like it had an array of small problems
that finally added up to the DW.
Terry.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:403BB6BE.6604D8CD@***.net...
> AKA Roy,
> Jeez, Terry, added for us, we wouldn't be able to drive out of the
> driveway if we were out twelve ounces, and doubt a tire store would sell
> a tire that far out of whack.
> 3/16" is more than I would like, I prefer an eighth on 32" tires,
> but it's in the ball park if your engineering degree will allow you to
> figure the base of an isosceles triangle with 18 1/2" sides, and an
> included angle of .45 degrees, according to an XJ alignment:
> http://www.----------.com/alignment.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
> >
> > 3/16" toe in is excessive for large tires, one wheel with total
> > of 12 oz is a LOT. That will kick off DW, fix those.
> >
> > **NOW** you can go change the stabilzier!!
> >
> > Cheers.
#258
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Re: A case of death wobble today
Yes, total of 6oz not 12.
I tried it out without the track bar but with the old stabilizer just to see
how she handled. Not as bad, but still some wobble. I again took it to
another different mechanic for another look. 3rd time's a charm. This guy
seemed to know his sh*t more than the others. He found some slight play in
the drag link end where the drag link meets the tie-rod that I overlooked.
I will replace both the sleeve and the end to get a good snug fit. Betcha
this is the root cause. But looks like it had an array of small problems
that finally added up to the DW.
Terry.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:403BB6BE.6604D8CD@***.net...
> AKA Roy,
> Jeez, Terry, added for us, we wouldn't be able to drive out of the
> driveway if we were out twelve ounces, and doubt a tire store would sell
> a tire that far out of whack.
> 3/16" is more than I would like, I prefer an eighth on 32" tires,
> but it's in the ball park if your engineering degree will allow you to
> figure the base of an isosceles triangle with 18 1/2" sides, and an
> included angle of .45 degrees, according to an XJ alignment:
> http://www.----------.com/alignment.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
> >
> > 3/16" toe in is excessive for large tires, one wheel with total
> > of 12 oz is a LOT. That will kick off DW, fix those.
> >
> > **NOW** you can go change the stabilzier!!
> >
> > Cheers.
I tried it out without the track bar but with the old stabilizer just to see
how she handled. Not as bad, but still some wobble. I again took it to
another different mechanic for another look. 3rd time's a charm. This guy
seemed to know his sh*t more than the others. He found some slight play in
the drag link end where the drag link meets the tie-rod that I overlooked.
I will replace both the sleeve and the end to get a good snug fit. Betcha
this is the root cause. But looks like it had an array of small problems
that finally added up to the DW.
Terry.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:403BB6BE.6604D8CD@***.net...
> AKA Roy,
> Jeez, Terry, added for us, we wouldn't be able to drive out of the
> driveway if we were out twelve ounces, and doubt a tire store would sell
> a tire that far out of whack.
> 3/16" is more than I would like, I prefer an eighth on 32" tires,
> but it's in the ball park if your engineering degree will allow you to
> figure the base of an isosceles triangle with 18 1/2" sides, and an
> included angle of .45 degrees, according to an XJ alignment:
> http://www.----------.com/alignment.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
> >
> > 3/16" toe in is excessive for large tires, one wheel with total
> > of 12 oz is a LOT. That will kick off DW, fix those.
> >
> > **NOW** you can go change the stabilzier!!
> >
> > Cheers.
#259
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Re: A case of death wobble today
Yes, total of 6oz not 12.
I tried it out without the track bar but with the old stabilizer just to see
how she handled. Not as bad, but still some wobble. I again took it to
another different mechanic for another look. 3rd time's a charm. This guy
seemed to know his sh*t more than the others. He found some slight play in
the drag link end where the drag link meets the tie-rod that I overlooked.
I will replace both the sleeve and the end to get a good snug fit. Betcha
this is the root cause. But looks like it had an array of small problems
that finally added up to the DW.
Terry.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:403BB6BE.6604D8CD@***.net...
> AKA Roy,
> Jeez, Terry, added for us, we wouldn't be able to drive out of the
> driveway if we were out twelve ounces, and doubt a tire store would sell
> a tire that far out of whack.
> 3/16" is more than I would like, I prefer an eighth on 32" tires,
> but it's in the ball park if your engineering degree will allow you to
> figure the base of an isosceles triangle with 18 1/2" sides, and an
> included angle of .45 degrees, according to an XJ alignment:
> http://www.----------.com/alignment.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
> >
> > 3/16" toe in is excessive for large tires, one wheel with total
> > of 12 oz is a LOT. That will kick off DW, fix those.
> >
> > **NOW** you can go change the stabilzier!!
> >
> > Cheers.
I tried it out without the track bar but with the old stabilizer just to see
how she handled. Not as bad, but still some wobble. I again took it to
another different mechanic for another look. 3rd time's a charm. This guy
seemed to know his sh*t more than the others. He found some slight play in
the drag link end where the drag link meets the tie-rod that I overlooked.
I will replace both the sleeve and the end to get a good snug fit. Betcha
this is the root cause. But looks like it had an array of small problems
that finally added up to the DW.
Terry.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:403BB6BE.6604D8CD@***.net...
> AKA Roy,
> Jeez, Terry, added for us, we wouldn't be able to drive out of the
> driveway if we were out twelve ounces, and doubt a tire store would sell
> a tire that far out of whack.
> 3/16" is more than I would like, I prefer an eighth on 32" tires,
> but it's in the ball park if your engineering degree will allow you to
> figure the base of an isosceles triangle with 18 1/2" sides, and an
> included angle of .45 degrees, according to an XJ alignment:
> http://www.----------.com/alignment.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
> >
> > 3/16" toe in is excessive for large tires, one wheel with total
> > of 12 oz is a LOT. That will kick off DW, fix those.
> >
> > **NOW** you can go change the stabilzier!!
> >
> > Cheers.
#260
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Re: A case of death wobble today
Hey A*****e, he had a tire well out of balance, he has well worn
tires, he has way too much toe in for 35" tires (not the 1/8" you
like for **32***" tires and I AGREE that 1/8" is good for 32's)
and all you say is "Replace the stabilzer"
All I said is look for the real problem BEFORE you change the
stabilzer" If you had your way, he would not have looked for root
causes. If you were the mechanic that sent him on his way with a
"fix" you would get to defend yourself in court.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> AKA Roy,
> Jeez, Terry, added for us, we wouldn't be able to drive out of the
> driveway if we were out twelve ounces, and doubt a tire store would sell
> a tire that far out of whack.
> 3/16" is more than I would like, I prefer an eighth on 32" tires,
> but it's in the ball park if your engineering degree will allow you to
> figure the base of an isosceles triangle with 18 1/2" sides, and an
> included angle of .45 degrees, according to an XJ alignment:
> http://www.----------.com/alignment.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>>3/16" toe in is excessive for large tires, one wheel with total
>>of 12 oz is a LOT. That will kick off DW, fix those.
>>
>>**NOW** you can go change the stabilzier!!
>>
>>Cheers.
tires, he has way too much toe in for 35" tires (not the 1/8" you
like for **32***" tires and I AGREE that 1/8" is good for 32's)
and all you say is "Replace the stabilzer"
All I said is look for the real problem BEFORE you change the
stabilzer" If you had your way, he would not have looked for root
causes. If you were the mechanic that sent him on his way with a
"fix" you would get to defend yourself in court.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> AKA Roy,
> Jeez, Terry, added for us, we wouldn't be able to drive out of the
> driveway if we were out twelve ounces, and doubt a tire store would sell
> a tire that far out of whack.
> 3/16" is more than I would like, I prefer an eighth on 32" tires,
> but it's in the ball park if your engineering degree will allow you to
> figure the base of an isosceles triangle with 18 1/2" sides, and an
> included angle of .45 degrees, according to an XJ alignment:
> http://www.----------.com/alignment.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>>3/16" toe in is excessive for large tires, one wheel with total
>>of 12 oz is a LOT. That will kick off DW, fix those.
>>
>>**NOW** you can go change the stabilzier!!
>>
>>Cheers.