A case of death wobble today
02-24-2004, 11:17 PM
#261
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Re: A case of death wobble today
Hey A*****e, he had a tire well out of balance, he has well worn
tires, he has way too much toe in for 35" tires (not the 1/8" you
like for **32***" tires and I AGREE that 1/8" is good for 32's)
and all you say is "Replace the stabilzer"
All I said is look for the real problem BEFORE you change the
stabilzer" If you had your way, he would not have looked for root
causes. If you were the mechanic that sent him on his way with a
"fix" you would get to defend yourself in court.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> AKA Roy,
> Jeez, Terry, added for us, we wouldn't be able to drive out of the
> driveway if we were out twelve ounces, and doubt a tire store would sell
> a tire that far out of whack.
> 3/16" is more than I would like, I prefer an eighth on 32" tires,
> but it's in the ball park if your engineering degree will allow you to
> figure the base of an isosceles triangle with 18 1/2" sides, and an
> included angle of .45 degrees, according to an XJ alignment:
> http://www.----------.com/alignment.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>>3/16" toe in is excessive for large tires, one wheel with total
>>of 12 oz is a LOT. That will kick off DW, fix those.
>>
>>**NOW** you can go change the stabilzier!!
>>
>>Cheers.
tires, he has way too much toe in for 35" tires (not the 1/8" you
like for **32***" tires and I AGREE that 1/8" is good for 32's)
and all you say is "Replace the stabilzer"
All I said is look for the real problem BEFORE you change the
stabilzer" If you had your way, he would not have looked for root
causes. If you were the mechanic that sent him on his way with a
"fix" you would get to defend yourself in court.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> AKA Roy,
> Jeez, Terry, added for us, we wouldn't be able to drive out of the
> driveway if we were out twelve ounces, and doubt a tire store would sell
> a tire that far out of whack.
> 3/16" is more than I would like, I prefer an eighth on 32" tires,
> but it's in the ball park if your engineering degree will allow you to
> figure the base of an isosceles triangle with 18 1/2" sides, and an
> included angle of .45 degrees, according to an XJ alignment:
> http://www.----------.com/alignment.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>>3/16" toe in is excessive for large tires, one wheel with total
>>of 12 oz is a LOT. That will kick off DW, fix those.
>>
>>**NOW** you can go change the stabilzier!!
>>
>>Cheers.
02-24-2004, 11:17 PM
#262
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Re: A case of death wobble today
Hey A*****e, he had a tire well out of balance, he has well worn
tires, he has way too much toe in for 35" tires (not the 1/8" you
like for **32***" tires and I AGREE that 1/8" is good for 32's)
and all you say is "Replace the stabilzer"
All I said is look for the real problem BEFORE you change the
stabilzer" If you had your way, he would not have looked for root
causes. If you were the mechanic that sent him on his way with a
"fix" you would get to defend yourself in court.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> AKA Roy,
> Jeez, Terry, added for us, we wouldn't be able to drive out of the
> driveway if we were out twelve ounces, and doubt a tire store would sell
> a tire that far out of whack.
> 3/16" is more than I would like, I prefer an eighth on 32" tires,
> but it's in the ball park if your engineering degree will allow you to
> figure the base of an isosceles triangle with 18 1/2" sides, and an
> included angle of .45 degrees, according to an XJ alignment:
> http://www.----------.com/alignment.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>>3/16" toe in is excessive for large tires, one wheel with total
>>of 12 oz is a LOT. That will kick off DW, fix those.
>>
>>**NOW** you can go change the stabilzier!!
>>
>>Cheers.
tires, he has way too much toe in for 35" tires (not the 1/8" you
like for **32***" tires and I AGREE that 1/8" is good for 32's)
and all you say is "Replace the stabilzer"
All I said is look for the real problem BEFORE you change the
stabilzer" If you had your way, he would not have looked for root
causes. If you were the mechanic that sent him on his way with a
"fix" you would get to defend yourself in court.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> AKA Roy,
> Jeez, Terry, added for us, we wouldn't be able to drive out of the
> driveway if we were out twelve ounces, and doubt a tire store would sell
> a tire that far out of whack.
> 3/16" is more than I would like, I prefer an eighth on 32" tires,
> but it's in the ball park if your engineering degree will allow you to
> figure the base of an isosceles triangle with 18 1/2" sides, and an
> included angle of .45 degrees, according to an XJ alignment:
> http://www.----------.com/alignment.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>>3/16" toe in is excessive for large tires, one wheel with total
>>of 12 oz is a LOT. That will kick off DW, fix those.
>>
>>**NOW** you can go change the stabilzier!!
>>
>>Cheers.
02-24-2004, 11:23 PM
#263
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Re: A case of death wobble today
Well, if you knew your head from the other end, you would note
that the second picture does NOT have stock springs, too much
arch. If you look at the first picture, you will note that the
angle does not show the back end of the spring where you
typically get bending due to spring wrapup.
Now what point were your trying to make? Please be clear in
showing ALL of us exactly what what happens when you abuse a
spring and what effect it has on the caster?
Not so cheers.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> AKA Roy,
> I thought you had an engineering degree, and understood leverage.
> OK I'll draw you a picture of a shackle lift and it's bent springs:
> http://www.----------.com/93-YJ-2.jpg
> compared to stock shackles and springs:
> http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...994_4_full.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>>Come again?
>>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Except putting a longer shackle on increases it's leverage on the
>>>spring, almost instantly pulling the arc out of the spring, for no
>>>change.
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
that the second picture does NOT have stock springs, too much
arch. If you look at the first picture, you will note that the
angle does not show the back end of the spring where you
typically get bending due to spring wrapup.
Now what point were your trying to make? Please be clear in
showing ALL of us exactly what what happens when you abuse a
spring and what effect it has on the caster?
Not so cheers.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> AKA Roy,
> I thought you had an engineering degree, and understood leverage.
> OK I'll draw you a picture of a shackle lift and it's bent springs:
> http://www.----------.com/93-YJ-2.jpg
> compared to stock shackles and springs:
> http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...994_4_full.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>>Come again?
>>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Except putting a longer shackle on increases it's leverage on the
>>>spring, almost instantly pulling the arc out of the spring, for no
>>>change.
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
02-24-2004, 11:23 PM
#264
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Re: A case of death wobble today
Well, if you knew your head from the other end, you would note
that the second picture does NOT have stock springs, too much
arch. If you look at the first picture, you will note that the
angle does not show the back end of the spring where you
typically get bending due to spring wrapup.
Now what point were your trying to make? Please be clear in
showing ALL of us exactly what what happens when you abuse a
spring and what effect it has on the caster?
Not so cheers.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> AKA Roy,
> I thought you had an engineering degree, and understood leverage.
> OK I'll draw you a picture of a shackle lift and it's bent springs:
> http://www.----------.com/93-YJ-2.jpg
> compared to stock shackles and springs:
> http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...994_4_full.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>>Come again?
>>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Except putting a longer shackle on increases it's leverage on the
>>>spring, almost instantly pulling the arc out of the spring, for no
>>>change.
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
that the second picture does NOT have stock springs, too much
arch. If you look at the first picture, you will note that the
angle does not show the back end of the spring where you
typically get bending due to spring wrapup.
Now what point were your trying to make? Please be clear in
showing ALL of us exactly what what happens when you abuse a
spring and what effect it has on the caster?
Not so cheers.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> AKA Roy,
> I thought you had an engineering degree, and understood leverage.
> OK I'll draw you a picture of a shackle lift and it's bent springs:
> http://www.----------.com/93-YJ-2.jpg
> compared to stock shackles and springs:
> http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...994_4_full.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>>Come again?
>>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Except putting a longer shackle on increases it's leverage on the
>>>spring, almost instantly pulling the arc out of the spring, for no
>>>change.
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
02-24-2004, 11:23 PM
#265
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Re: A case of death wobble today
Well, if you knew your head from the other end, you would note
that the second picture does NOT have stock springs, too much
arch. If you look at the first picture, you will note that the
angle does not show the back end of the spring where you
typically get bending due to spring wrapup.
Now what point were your trying to make? Please be clear in
showing ALL of us exactly what what happens when you abuse a
spring and what effect it has on the caster?
Not so cheers.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> AKA Roy,
> I thought you had an engineering degree, and understood leverage.
> OK I'll draw you a picture of a shackle lift and it's bent springs:
> http://www.----------.com/93-YJ-2.jpg
> compared to stock shackles and springs:
> http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...994_4_full.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>>Come again?
>>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Except putting a longer shackle on increases it's leverage on the
>>>spring, almost instantly pulling the arc out of the spring, for no
>>>change.
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
that the second picture does NOT have stock springs, too much
arch. If you look at the first picture, you will note that the
angle does not show the back end of the spring where you
typically get bending due to spring wrapup.
Now what point were your trying to make? Please be clear in
showing ALL of us exactly what what happens when you abuse a
spring and what effect it has on the caster?
Not so cheers.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> AKA Roy,
> I thought you had an engineering degree, and understood leverage.
> OK I'll draw you a picture of a shackle lift and it's bent springs:
> http://www.----------.com/93-YJ-2.jpg
> compared to stock shackles and springs:
> http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...994_4_full.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>>Come again?
>>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Except putting a longer shackle on increases it's leverage on the
>>>spring, almost instantly pulling the arc out of the spring, for no
>>>change.
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
02-25-2004, 12:44 AM
#266
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Re: A case of death wobble today
Believe me Terry wouldn't have left my service bay without buying
everything he could afford: http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg and
http://www.----------.com/oscilloscope.jpg And I wasn't born yesterday,
I clue the posters in on the important stuff, then share the small stuff
for you and others that are learning the mechanical maintenance of their
own car.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg
Roy J wrote:
>
> Hey A*****e, he had a tire well out of balance, he has well worn
> tires, he has way too much toe in for 35" tires (not the 1/8" you
> like for **32***" tires and I AGREE that 1/8" is good for 32's)
> and all you say is "Replace the stabilzer"
>
> All I said is look for the real problem BEFORE you change the
> stabilzer" If you had your way, he would not have looked for root
> causes. If you were the mechanic that sent him on his way with a
> "fix" you would get to defend yourself in court.
everything he could afford: http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg and
http://www.----------.com/oscilloscope.jpg And I wasn't born yesterday,
I clue the posters in on the important stuff, then share the small stuff
for you and others that are learning the mechanical maintenance of their
own car.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg
Roy J wrote:
>
> Hey A*****e, he had a tire well out of balance, he has well worn
> tires, he has way too much toe in for 35" tires (not the 1/8" you
> like for **32***" tires and I AGREE that 1/8" is good for 32's)
> and all you say is "Replace the stabilzer"
>
> All I said is look for the real problem BEFORE you change the
> stabilzer" If you had your way, he would not have looked for root
> causes. If you were the mechanic that sent him on his way with a
> "fix" you would get to defend yourself in court.
02-25-2004, 12:44 AM
#267
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Re: A case of death wobble today
Believe me Terry wouldn't have left my service bay without buying
everything he could afford: http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg and
http://www.----------.com/oscilloscope.jpg And I wasn't born yesterday,
I clue the posters in on the important stuff, then share the small stuff
for you and others that are learning the mechanical maintenance of their
own car.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg
Roy J wrote:
>
> Hey A*****e, he had a tire well out of balance, he has well worn
> tires, he has way too much toe in for 35" tires (not the 1/8" you
> like for **32***" tires and I AGREE that 1/8" is good for 32's)
> and all you say is "Replace the stabilzer"
>
> All I said is look for the real problem BEFORE you change the
> stabilzer" If you had your way, he would not have looked for root
> causes. If you were the mechanic that sent him on his way with a
> "fix" you would get to defend yourself in court.
everything he could afford: http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg and
http://www.----------.com/oscilloscope.jpg And I wasn't born yesterday,
I clue the posters in on the important stuff, then share the small stuff
for you and others that are learning the mechanical maintenance of their
own car.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg
Roy J wrote:
>
> Hey A*****e, he had a tire well out of balance, he has well worn
> tires, he has way too much toe in for 35" tires (not the 1/8" you
> like for **32***" tires and I AGREE that 1/8" is good for 32's)
> and all you say is "Replace the stabilzer"
>
> All I said is look for the real problem BEFORE you change the
> stabilzer" If you had your way, he would not have looked for root
> causes. If you were the mechanic that sent him on his way with a
> "fix" you would get to defend yourself in court.
02-25-2004, 12:44 AM
#268
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Re: A case of death wobble today
Believe me Terry wouldn't have left my service bay without buying
everything he could afford: http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg and
http://www.----------.com/oscilloscope.jpg And I wasn't born yesterday,
I clue the posters in on the important stuff, then share the small stuff
for you and others that are learning the mechanical maintenance of their
own car.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg
Roy J wrote:
>
> Hey A*****e, he had a tire well out of balance, he has well worn
> tires, he has way too much toe in for 35" tires (not the 1/8" you
> like for **32***" tires and I AGREE that 1/8" is good for 32's)
> and all you say is "Replace the stabilzer"
>
> All I said is look for the real problem BEFORE you change the
> stabilzer" If you had your way, he would not have looked for root
> causes. If you were the mechanic that sent him on his way with a
> "fix" you would get to defend yourself in court.
everything he could afford: http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg and
http://www.----------.com/oscilloscope.jpg And I wasn't born yesterday,
I clue the posters in on the important stuff, then share the small stuff
for you and others that are learning the mechanical maintenance of their
own car.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg
Roy J wrote:
>
> Hey A*****e, he had a tire well out of balance, he has well worn
> tires, he has way too much toe in for 35" tires (not the 1/8" you
> like for **32***" tires and I AGREE that 1/8" is good for 32's)
> and all you say is "Replace the stabilzer"
>
> All I said is look for the real problem BEFORE you change the
> stabilzer" If you had your way, he would not have looked for root
> causes. If you were the mechanic that sent him on his way with a
> "fix" you would get to defend yourself in court.
02-25-2004, 12:58 AM
#269
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Re: A case of death wobble today
What was that some sort of personal attack?
Try and imagine a really long shackle, with that leverage it'll
bent the spring backwards, might even gain some castor. This is a spring
lifted YJ: http://home.foothilloffroad.com/images/intro.JPG
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Roy J wrote:
>
> Well, if you knew your head from the other end, you would note
> that the second picture does NOT have stock springs, too much
> arch. If you look at the first picture, you will note that the
> angle does not show the back end of the spring where you
> typically get bending due to spring wrapup.
>
> Now what point were your trying to make? Please be clear in
> showing ALL of us exactly what what happens when you abuse a
> spring and what effect it has on the caster?
>
> Not so cheers.
Try and imagine a really long shackle, with that leverage it'll
bent the spring backwards, might even gain some castor. This is a spring
lifted YJ: http://home.foothilloffroad.com/images/intro.JPG
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Roy J wrote:
>
> Well, if you knew your head from the other end, you would note
> that the second picture does NOT have stock springs, too much
> arch. If you look at the first picture, you will note that the
> angle does not show the back end of the spring where you
> typically get bending due to spring wrapup.
>
> Now what point were your trying to make? Please be clear in
> showing ALL of us exactly what what happens when you abuse a
> spring and what effect it has on the caster?
>
> Not so cheers.
02-25-2004, 12:58 AM
#270
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Posts: n/a
Re: A case of death wobble today
What was that some sort of personal attack?
Try and imagine a really long shackle, with that leverage it'll
bent the spring backwards, might even gain some castor. This is a spring
lifted YJ: http://home.foothilloffroad.com/images/intro.JPG
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Roy J wrote:
>
> Well, if you knew your head from the other end, you would note
> that the second picture does NOT have stock springs, too much
> arch. If you look at the first picture, you will note that the
> angle does not show the back end of the spring where you
> typically get bending due to spring wrapup.
>
> Now what point were your trying to make? Please be clear in
> showing ALL of us exactly what what happens when you abuse a
> spring and what effect it has on the caster?
>
> Not so cheers.
Try and imagine a really long shackle, with that leverage it'll
bent the spring backwards, might even gain some castor. This is a spring
lifted YJ: http://home.foothilloffroad.com/images/intro.JPG
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Roy J wrote:
>
> Well, if you knew your head from the other end, you would note
> that the second picture does NOT have stock springs, too much
> arch. If you look at the first picture, you will note that the
> angle does not show the back end of the spring where you
> typically get bending due to spring wrapup.
>
> Now what point were your trying to make? Please be clear in
> showing ALL of us exactly what what happens when you abuse a
> spring and what effect it has on the caster?
>
> Not so cheers.