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DougW 02-22-2004 10:28 PM

Re: A case of death wobble today
 
L.W. (ßill) ------ III did pass the time by typing:
> The spam you get is not from little people individually harvesting
> the addresses from the news groups. Judging my My wife's address that is
> used maybe once a year to test, I'd say COX.net is responsible for
> selling that address. Almost nothing goes the the addresses in my
> signature.


That's because AOL uses some substantial spam blocking.

Cox OTOH doesn't seem to do squat, although they claim to
be doing some blocking and are gearing up to allow blocking
on a customer configured basis.

Odd are they will try to charge for the service. :/

--
DougW



L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 02-22-2004 10:30 PM

Re: A case of death wobble today
 
My '68 CJ-5 is the only 4x4 I've seen that wasn't sold new with
stabilizer. Everything from my '72 Ford on had one stock. Look under
your old Chevy or motorhome.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

CRWLR wrote:
>
> It appears to have been an optional part as late as '81.
>
> I happen to agree that the stabalizer is probably masking a more serious
> problem that if it was not there, the DW symptoms would not be so severe.
>
> If the steering stabalizer by itself fixes this problem, I'll be seriously
> amazed. It could, I suppose. But I think there are underlying problems at
> play here.


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 02-22-2004 10:30 PM

Re: A case of death wobble today
 
My '68 CJ-5 is the only 4x4 I've seen that wasn't sold new with
stabilizer. Everything from my '72 Ford on had one stock. Look under
your old Chevy or motorhome.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

CRWLR wrote:
>
> It appears to have been an optional part as late as '81.
>
> I happen to agree that the stabalizer is probably masking a more serious
> problem that if it was not there, the DW symptoms would not be so severe.
>
> If the steering stabalizer by itself fixes this problem, I'll be seriously
> amazed. It could, I suppose. But I think there are underlying problems at
> play here.


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 02-22-2004 10:30 PM

Re: A case of death wobble today
 
My '68 CJ-5 is the only 4x4 I've seen that wasn't sold new with
stabilizer. Everything from my '72 Ford on had one stock. Look under
your old Chevy or motorhome.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

CRWLR wrote:
>
> It appears to have been an optional part as late as '81.
>
> I happen to agree that the stabalizer is probably masking a more serious
> problem that if it was not there, the DW symptoms would not be so severe.
>
> If the steering stabalizer by itself fixes this problem, I'll be seriously
> amazed. It could, I suppose. But I think there are underlying problems at
> play here.


Roy J 02-22-2004 11:00 PM

Re: A case of death wobble today
 
Actually, since you see the stabilizers on most later model 4x4's
(but not most other vehicles) I would SPECULATE that they are
there to cut the shock loading to the steering wheel and driver
when you hit a rock or pot hole. Without one, the steering wheel
will spin violently, the front wheel will twist up against it's
stop. Not a good thing at any kind of speed. The old tractors
commonly had a steering knob bolted to the steering wheel, quite
a few broken wrists as a result. Power steering calms this down a
lot, but you still can get quite a bit of feed back from the wheels.

Oh, and I can easily block the virus loads with a decent anti
virus. The problem was that I do not have 'always on' ISP
service, my ISP would shut down my account when it hit 15mb worth
of files. As in about 4 hours. A guy has to sleep sometimes.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:

> AKA Roy,
> I guess I'm smart enough to block all virus with the help of
> Netscape.
> So, the only reason for the stabilizer is if there is an under
> lining problem? Then all new 4x4s have an alignment problems and just go
> ahead install the stabilizer, like on this new WJ:
> http://www.----------.com/JWStabalizer.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>>Sorry Bill, until YOU take reponsibilty for YOUR actions, you
>>will have to simmer in your own stew. And you appear to be
>>simmering pretty good.
>>
>>I used to have the real address until the Sven virus hit me with
>>4mb of crap per HOUR. Which of course took my e-mail down pretty
>>solid after 9 years on the same name. So I will NEVER put my
>>e-mail address in a public forum again. Sign of the times I guess. :(
>>
>>I'd suggest you wait for Terry Jeffry (the original poster) has
>>his front end checked out. If an INDEPENDENT mechanic/shop checks
>>out the massive amount of work that was done on the OP's front
>>end and the ONLY thing that is wrong is the stabilzer, I will
>>gladly appolgize for aggrevating you so much. And then I will
>>repeat my comment that a stabilzer just masks the underlying
>>problem.
>>
>>Cheers.


Roy J 02-22-2004 11:00 PM

Re: A case of death wobble today
 
Actually, since you see the stabilizers on most later model 4x4's
(but not most other vehicles) I would SPECULATE that they are
there to cut the shock loading to the steering wheel and driver
when you hit a rock or pot hole. Without one, the steering wheel
will spin violently, the front wheel will twist up against it's
stop. Not a good thing at any kind of speed. The old tractors
commonly had a steering knob bolted to the steering wheel, quite
a few broken wrists as a result. Power steering calms this down a
lot, but you still can get quite a bit of feed back from the wheels.

Oh, and I can easily block the virus loads with a decent anti
virus. The problem was that I do not have 'always on' ISP
service, my ISP would shut down my account when it hit 15mb worth
of files. As in about 4 hours. A guy has to sleep sometimes.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:

> AKA Roy,
> I guess I'm smart enough to block all virus with the help of
> Netscape.
> So, the only reason for the stabilizer is if there is an under
> lining problem? Then all new 4x4s have an alignment problems and just go
> ahead install the stabilizer, like on this new WJ:
> http://www.----------.com/JWStabalizer.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>>Sorry Bill, until YOU take reponsibilty for YOUR actions, you
>>will have to simmer in your own stew. And you appear to be
>>simmering pretty good.
>>
>>I used to have the real address until the Sven virus hit me with
>>4mb of crap per HOUR. Which of course took my e-mail down pretty
>>solid after 9 years on the same name. So I will NEVER put my
>>e-mail address in a public forum again. Sign of the times I guess. :(
>>
>>I'd suggest you wait for Terry Jeffry (the original poster) has
>>his front end checked out. If an INDEPENDENT mechanic/shop checks
>>out the massive amount of work that was done on the OP's front
>>end and the ONLY thing that is wrong is the stabilzer, I will
>>gladly appolgize for aggrevating you so much. And then I will
>>repeat my comment that a stabilzer just masks the underlying
>>problem.
>>
>>Cheers.


Roy J 02-22-2004 11:00 PM

Re: A case of death wobble today
 
Actually, since you see the stabilizers on most later model 4x4's
(but not most other vehicles) I would SPECULATE that they are
there to cut the shock loading to the steering wheel and driver
when you hit a rock or pot hole. Without one, the steering wheel
will spin violently, the front wheel will twist up against it's
stop. Not a good thing at any kind of speed. The old tractors
commonly had a steering knob bolted to the steering wheel, quite
a few broken wrists as a result. Power steering calms this down a
lot, but you still can get quite a bit of feed back from the wheels.

Oh, and I can easily block the virus loads with a decent anti
virus. The problem was that I do not have 'always on' ISP
service, my ISP would shut down my account when it hit 15mb worth
of files. As in about 4 hours. A guy has to sleep sometimes.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:

> AKA Roy,
> I guess I'm smart enough to block all virus with the help of
> Netscape.
> So, the only reason for the stabilizer is if there is an under
> lining problem? Then all new 4x4s have an alignment problems and just go
> ahead install the stabilizer, like on this new WJ:
> http://www.----------.com/JWStabalizer.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>>Sorry Bill, until YOU take reponsibilty for YOUR actions, you
>>will have to simmer in your own stew. And you appear to be
>>simmering pretty good.
>>
>>I used to have the real address until the Sven virus hit me with
>>4mb of crap per HOUR. Which of course took my e-mail down pretty
>>solid after 9 years on the same name. So I will NEVER put my
>>e-mail address in a public forum again. Sign of the times I guess. :(
>>
>>I'd suggest you wait for Terry Jeffry (the original poster) has
>>his front end checked out. If an INDEPENDENT mechanic/shop checks
>>out the massive amount of work that was done on the OP's front
>>end and the ONLY thing that is wrong is the stabilzer, I will
>>gladly appolgize for aggrevating you so much. And then I will
>>repeat my comment that a stabilzer just masks the underlying
>>problem.
>>
>>Cheers.


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 02-22-2004 11:22 PM

Re: A case of death wobble today
 
The hydraulic ram use for the power steering of old trucks and
wheel tractors is a good substitute for the tie rod dampener.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Roy J wrote:
>
> Actually, since you see the stabilizers on most later model 4x4's
> (but not most other vehicles) I would SPECULATE that they are
> there to cut the shock loading to the steering wheel and driver
> when you hit a rock or pot hole. Without one, the steering wheel
> will spin violently, the front wheel will twist up against it's
> stop. Not a good thing at any kind of speed. The old tractors
> commonly had a steering knob bolted to the steering wheel, quite
> a few broken wrists as a result. Power steering calms this down a
> lot, but you still can get quite a bit of feed back from the wheels.
>
> Oh, and I can easily block the virus loads with a decent anti
> virus. The problem was that I do not have 'always on' ISP
> service, my ISP would shut down my account when it hit 15mb worth
> of files. As in about 4 hours. A guy has to sleep sometimes.


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 02-22-2004 11:22 PM

Re: A case of death wobble today
 
The hydraulic ram use for the power steering of old trucks and
wheel tractors is a good substitute for the tie rod dampener.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Roy J wrote:
>
> Actually, since you see the stabilizers on most later model 4x4's
> (but not most other vehicles) I would SPECULATE that they are
> there to cut the shock loading to the steering wheel and driver
> when you hit a rock or pot hole. Without one, the steering wheel
> will spin violently, the front wheel will twist up against it's
> stop. Not a good thing at any kind of speed. The old tractors
> commonly had a steering knob bolted to the steering wheel, quite
> a few broken wrists as a result. Power steering calms this down a
> lot, but you still can get quite a bit of feed back from the wheels.
>
> Oh, and I can easily block the virus loads with a decent anti
> virus. The problem was that I do not have 'always on' ISP
> service, my ISP would shut down my account when it hit 15mb worth
> of files. As in about 4 hours. A guy has to sleep sometimes.


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 02-22-2004 11:22 PM

Re: A case of death wobble today
 
The hydraulic ram use for the power steering of old trucks and
wheel tractors is a good substitute for the tie rod dampener.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Roy J wrote:
>
> Actually, since you see the stabilizers on most later model 4x4's
> (but not most other vehicles) I would SPECULATE that they are
> there to cut the shock loading to the steering wheel and driver
> when you hit a rock or pot hole. Without one, the steering wheel
> will spin violently, the front wheel will twist up against it's
> stop. Not a good thing at any kind of speed. The old tractors
> commonly had a steering knob bolted to the steering wheel, quite
> a few broken wrists as a result. Power steering calms this down a
> lot, but you still can get quite a bit of feed back from the wheels.
>
> Oh, and I can easily block the virus loads with a decent anti
> virus. The problem was that I do not have 'always on' ISP
> service, my ISP would shut down my account when it hit 15mb worth
> of files. As in about 4 hours. A guy has to sleep sometimes.



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