Ervin Charles

Hey Guys,
I didn't mean to start anything vicious, I just wanted to tap into your
combined wisdom.
Bill, I want to stay with a Jeep 6cyl. I've done several engine swaps and
(IMHO) the payoff for the labor involved is usually minimal. Maybe just
shoddy engineering on my part but I think I'll stay with the AMC/Chrysler 6.
That being said...
What about the AX15 tranny along with the 4.0.... will the Dana 300 fit or
do I have to lose that too? And then must I change driveshafts? I realize
the yokes will probaby be different. (Christ, Now I gotta run a hydraulic
clutch!)
Earle, The Cherokee has a cable drive Speedo head and no adapter box along
the cable (that I can see). What part does the speedo play in the fuel
injection? This early a model..I don't think it even has a VSS. I thought
the fuel timing was a product of Vacuum, Crank Position, RPM and O2 readings
Charles

"Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Bill,
>
> AA is the place to go to make the 4.0 crank position sensor work too. I
> figure this Bret fellow bought an adapter from AA or Novak, and expected
> it
> to come with instructions and a whole conversion kit. The AA catalog and
> web site are up front about how more than usual mechanical skill, and
> ability to fabricate odd parts, are required for this kind of swap.
>
> The problem with the 4.0 is that you would need the wiring, sensors
> including the speedometer, and the computer. Since the original poster
> has
> a roll over Cherokee, he should have everything needed for a successful
> conversion. It's just a question of which parts to use, and where. My
> recommendation is to study the AA conversion manual, available at
> http://www.advanceadapters.com/, figure out what you want to do, and then
> run your plan by one of their sales persons. Or Novak.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:430D033E.37863371@***.net...
>> What experience have you had with Advance Adapters? They made the
>> original adapter for Kaiser's Buick V6 to T-90, T-14.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>> >
>> > Depending on what you can get away with emissionswise in your state,
>> > you probably want to swap the whole engine and use some form of EFI or
>> > a carb setup. Advance and Novak are mickeymouse vendors selling a line
>> > of shrinkwrapped and often mickey mouse products.
>> >
>> > **** on the overrated small block Chevy. Want a Chevy, buy a whole
>> > Chevy, I say.
>
>

Billy Ray

Bill,
If you want to be THE King of the Hill... Gravelrama is one month from
tomorrow in Cincinnati

http://www.gravelrama.com/

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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Geez, I've always just let my local Tool and Die Maker make
> prototypes.
> Seems to me Chevy is the number one choice:
> http://search.ebay.com/CJ-chevy_W0QQ...ageNameZRC0024
> Especially if you like to be King of the Hill, like me:
> http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>
>> Back in the day when they would do custom work my company had them do
>> several things. They were repeatedly unable to read blueprints, we
>> brought the stuff in-house, and then they went to a production catalog
>> house operation. Yes there are production vehicles with adapters,
>> just like there are production vehicles with a lot of things there
>> shouldn't be.
>>
>> The small block Chevy is not the right engine for any Jeep product,
>> except the Grand Wagoneer maybe. The four liter late six is a much
>> better engine than it is given credit for.
>>
>> The stock EFI air system and injectors can be operated from an
>> aftermarket ECU. Several good ones exist, but I'd look at Clifford's if
>> you are not a code-head.

Billy Ray

Bill,
If you want to be THE King of the Hill... Gravelrama is one month from
tomorrow in Cincinnati

http://www.gravelrama.com/

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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Geez, I've always just let my local Tool and Die Maker make
> prototypes.
> Seems to me Chevy is the number one choice:
> http://search.ebay.com/CJ-chevy_W0QQ...ageNameZRC0024
> Especially if you like to be King of the Hill, like me:
> http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>
>> Back in the day when they would do custom work my company had them do
>> several things. They were repeatedly unable to read blueprints, we
>> brought the stuff in-house, and then they went to a production catalog
>> house operation. Yes there are production vehicles with adapters,
>> just like there are production vehicles with a lot of things there
>> shouldn't be.
>>
>> The small block Chevy is not the right engine for any Jeep product,
>> except the Grand Wagoneer maybe. The four liter late six is a much
>> better engine than it is given credit for.
>>
>> The stock EFI air system and injectors can be operated from an
>> aftermarket ECU. Several good ones exist, but I'd look at Clifford's if
>> you are not a code-head.

Billy Ray

Bill,
If you want to be THE King of the Hill... Gravelrama is one month from
tomorrow in Cincinnati

http://www.gravelrama.com/

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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Geez, I've always just let my local Tool and Die Maker make
> prototypes.
> Seems to me Chevy is the number one choice:
> http://search.ebay.com/CJ-chevy_W0QQ...ageNameZRC0024
> Especially if you like to be King of the Hill, like me:
> http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>
>> Back in the day when they would do custom work my company had them do
>> several things. They were repeatedly unable to read blueprints, we
>> brought the stuff in-house, and then they went to a production catalog
>> house operation. Yes there are production vehicles with adapters,
>> just like there are production vehicles with a lot of things there
>> shouldn't be.
>>
>> The small block Chevy is not the right engine for any Jeep product,
>> except the Grand Wagoneer maybe. The four liter late six is a much
>> better engine than it is given credit for.
>>
>> The stock EFI air system and injectors can be operated from an
>> aftermarket ECU. Several good ones exist, but I'd look at Clifford's if
>> you are not a code-head.

Billy Ray

Bill,
If you want to be THE King of the Hill... Gravelrama is one month from
tomorrow in Cincinnati

http://www.gravelrama.com/

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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Geez, I've always just let my local Tool and Die Maker make
> prototypes.
> Seems to me Chevy is the number one choice:
> http://search.ebay.com/CJ-chevy_W0QQ...ageNameZRC0024
> Especially if you like to be King of the Hill, like me:
> http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>
>> Back in the day when they would do custom work my company had them do
>> several things. They were repeatedly unable to read blueprints, we
>> brought the stuff in-house, and then they went to a production catalog
>> house operation. Yes there are production vehicles with adapters,
>> just like there are production vehicles with a lot of things there
>> shouldn't be.
>>
>> The small block Chevy is not the right engine for any Jeep product,
>> except the Grand Wagoneer maybe. The four liter late six is a much
>> better engine than it is given credit for.
>>
>> The stock EFI air system and injectors can be operated from an
>> aftermarket ECU. Several good ones exist, but I'd look at Clifford's if
>> you are not a code-head.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I said: "Gasoline at four or five bucks a gallon is the cheapest
expense of operation of a vehicle." And it's the cheapest product we
sell. And don't give me that Lying Liberal bullsh*t about running our of
petroleum! Every hear of Russia?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> I don't want cheaper oil. I want the oil conserved so that we can have
> some time to deal with the reality of a planet with many billions of
> humans and no oil. People will not burn less oil unless the oil is more
> expensive. The Europeans have high oil prices and a basically decent
> standard of living, we can too.
>
> This is why I want the ANWR off limits-it will result in five years of
> less expensive oil, then we are back to square one. Leave the oil there
> for now and if, after we have implemented serious population and
> consumption controls that are working, it can be demonstrated using the
> oil will enable people to finish out their natural lives instead of
> dying of starvation, tap it then.
>
> Paying today's prices for gas for my go to work buggy hurts me like
> everyone else, but cheap oil is a disaster. Wishing cheap oil on
> America is like wishing for a cheap supply of crystal meth, heroin or
> crack cocaine.
>
> If people have to commute more than five to ten miles to work, they
> need mass transit or economical cars, and freight needs to go by rail
> instead of the Interstate Highways that result in a colossal subsidy of
> the trucking industry. If Class 8 trucks were to pay their share of
> road maintenance in the US based on diesel fuel, it would have to be at
> least $7 a gallon.
>
> I don't call that liberal. I call it the laws of thermodynamics. If
> you don't like them, complain to the Great Legislator.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I said: "Gasoline at four or five bucks a gallon is the cheapest
expense of operation of a vehicle." And it's the cheapest product we
sell. And don't give me that Lying Liberal bullsh*t about running our of
petroleum! Every hear of Russia?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> I don't want cheaper oil. I want the oil conserved so that we can have
> some time to deal with the reality of a planet with many billions of
> humans and no oil. People will not burn less oil unless the oil is more
> expensive. The Europeans have high oil prices and a basically decent
> standard of living, we can too.
>
> This is why I want the ANWR off limits-it will result in five years of
> less expensive oil, then we are back to square one. Leave the oil there
> for now and if, after we have implemented serious population and
> consumption controls that are working, it can be demonstrated using the
> oil will enable people to finish out their natural lives instead of
> dying of starvation, tap it then.
>
> Paying today's prices for gas for my go to work buggy hurts me like
> everyone else, but cheap oil is a disaster. Wishing cheap oil on
> America is like wishing for a cheap supply of crystal meth, heroin or
> crack cocaine.
>
> If people have to commute more than five to ten miles to work, they
> need mass transit or economical cars, and freight needs to go by rail
> instead of the Interstate Highways that result in a colossal subsidy of
> the trucking industry. If Class 8 trucks were to pay their share of
> road maintenance in the US based on diesel fuel, it would have to be at
> least $7 a gallon.
>
> I don't call that liberal. I call it the laws of thermodynamics. If
> you don't like them, complain to the Great Legislator.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I said: "Gasoline at four or five bucks a gallon is the cheapest
expense of operation of a vehicle." And it's the cheapest product we
sell. And don't give me that Lying Liberal bullsh*t about running our of
petroleum! Every hear of Russia?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> I don't want cheaper oil. I want the oil conserved so that we can have
> some time to deal with the reality of a planet with many billions of
> humans and no oil. People will not burn less oil unless the oil is more
> expensive. The Europeans have high oil prices and a basically decent
> standard of living, we can too.
>
> This is why I want the ANWR off limits-it will result in five years of
> less expensive oil, then we are back to square one. Leave the oil there
> for now and if, after we have implemented serious population and
> consumption controls that are working, it can be demonstrated using the
> oil will enable people to finish out their natural lives instead of
> dying of starvation, tap it then.
>
> Paying today's prices for gas for my go to work buggy hurts me like
> everyone else, but cheap oil is a disaster. Wishing cheap oil on
> America is like wishing for a cheap supply of crystal meth, heroin or
> crack cocaine.
>
> If people have to commute more than five to ten miles to work, they
> need mass transit or economical cars, and freight needs to go by rail
> instead of the Interstate Highways that result in a colossal subsidy of
> the trucking industry. If Class 8 trucks were to pay their share of
> road maintenance in the US based on diesel fuel, it would have to be at
> least $7 a gallon.
>
> I don't call that liberal. I call it the laws of thermodynamics. If
> you don't like them, complain to the Great Legislator.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I said: "Gasoline at four or five bucks a gallon is the cheapest
expense of operation of a vehicle." And it's the cheapest product we
sell. And don't give me that Lying Liberal bullsh*t about running our of
petroleum! Every hear of Russia?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> I don't want cheaper oil. I want the oil conserved so that we can have
> some time to deal with the reality of a planet with many billions of
> humans and no oil. People will not burn less oil unless the oil is more
> expensive. The Europeans have high oil prices and a basically decent
> standard of living, we can too.
>
> This is why I want the ANWR off limits-it will result in five years of
> less expensive oil, then we are back to square one. Leave the oil there
> for now and if, after we have implemented serious population and
> consumption controls that are working, it can be demonstrated using the
> oil will enable people to finish out their natural lives instead of
> dying of starvation, tap it then.
>
> Paying today's prices for gas for my go to work buggy hurts me like
> everyone else, but cheap oil is a disaster. Wishing cheap oil on
> America is like wishing for a cheap supply of crystal meth, heroin or
> crack cocaine.
>
> If people have to commute more than five to ten miles to work, they
> need mass transit or economical cars, and freight needs to go by rail
> instead of the Interstate Highways that result in a colossal subsidy of
> the trucking industry. If Class 8 trucks were to pay their share of
> road maintenance in the US based on diesel fuel, it would have to be at
> least $7 a gallon.
>
> I don't call that liberal. I call it the laws of thermodynamics. If
> you don't like them, complain to the Great Legislator.

Billy Ray

In the short term I just want gasoline prices to be stable. The price
changing 20-30 cents from one day to the next is for the birds.

If the OPEC folks want $60 a barrel that's fine. The US and Canada produce
most of the worlds corn, wheat and beef. Let's tie the price of their food
to the price of our oil.

You screw with us we'll cut off your food.....Payback's a bitch

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"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1124931421.924306.14550@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>I don't want cheaper oil. I want the oil conserved so that we can have
> some time to deal with the reality of a planet with many billions of
> humans and no oil. People will not burn less oil unless the oil is more
> expensive. The Europeans have high oil prices and a basically decent
> standard of living, we can too.
>
> This is why I want the ANWR off limits-it will result in five years of
> less expensive oil, then we are back to square one. Leave the oil there
> for now and if, after we have implemented serious population and
> consumption controls that are working, it can be demonstrated using the
> oil will enable people to finish out their natural lives instead of
> dying of starvation, tap it then.
>
> Paying today's prices for gas for my go to work buggy hurts me like
> everyone else, but cheap oil is a disaster. Wishing cheap oil on
> America is like wishing for a cheap supply of crystal meth, heroin or
> crack cocaine.
>
> If people have to commute more than five to ten miles to work, they
> need mass transit or economical cars, and freight needs to go by rail
> instead of the Interstate Highways that result in a colossal subsidy of
> the trucking industry. If Class 8 trucks were to pay their share of
> road maintenance in the US based on diesel fuel, it would have to be at
> least $7 a gallon.
>
> I don't call that liberal. I call it the laws of thermodynamics. If
> you don't like them, complain to the Great Legislator.
>