Brand new '89 YJ
#121
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Re: Brand new '89 YJ
Thanks Mike,
Really? the Haynes CJ manual? I know they're cheap, but I was thinking
of just buying the FSM. I already have the Haynes YJ manual.
I'll stop by the stealership on my lunch break tomorrow and get the wires.
I don't remember what brand the cap and rotor were, they were brand new
sitting in the Jeep when we rolled it home, so we threw them in just to
make sure that wasn't the problem. They'll do for now.
And they have Accel at the auto parts store two doors down from where I
work (where I 'never' usually shop, cause they're overpriced a-holes),
so I'll go grab on of those. Depending on the prices, I might pick them
up for a few more of my heeps, too.
Might as well ask - recommendations for spark plugs?
Mike Romain wrote:
> If you replace the coil, I would highly recommend you upgrade it at this
> time.
>
> I went with an Accel 'SuperCoil' and really liked the performance
> increase I noticed at the time and the gas mileage I get.
>
> The best wires to get are actually from the $tealership! I seldom
> recommend them for parts, but the OEM wires are by 'far' the best ones.
>
> Stay far far away from the Accel distributor cap and rotor and wires.
> They are very poorly made.
>
> Pay close attention to the new distributor cap and rotor, OEM is best
> again for that. Aftermarket has some bad ones out there. The rotors
> are too short so they arc out all over the place very soon after being
> installed.
>
> Oh and just FYI, the best repair manual for your engine and wiring is
> the Haynes CJ manual
Really? the Haynes CJ manual? I know they're cheap, but I was thinking
of just buying the FSM. I already have the Haynes YJ manual.
I'll stop by the stealership on my lunch break tomorrow and get the wires.
I don't remember what brand the cap and rotor were, they were brand new
sitting in the Jeep when we rolled it home, so we threw them in just to
make sure that wasn't the problem. They'll do for now.
And they have Accel at the auto parts store two doors down from where I
work (where I 'never' usually shop, cause they're overpriced a-holes),
so I'll go grab on of those. Depending on the prices, I might pick them
up for a few more of my heeps, too.
Might as well ask - recommendations for spark plugs?
Mike Romain wrote:
> If you replace the coil, I would highly recommend you upgrade it at this
> time.
>
> I went with an Accel 'SuperCoil' and really liked the performance
> increase I noticed at the time and the gas mileage I get.
>
> The best wires to get are actually from the $tealership! I seldom
> recommend them for parts, but the OEM wires are by 'far' the best ones.
>
> Stay far far away from the Accel distributor cap and rotor and wires.
> They are very poorly made.
>
> Pay close attention to the new distributor cap and rotor, OEM is best
> again for that. Aftermarket has some bad ones out there. The rotors
> are too short so they arc out all over the place very soon after being
> installed.
>
> Oh and just FYI, the best repair manual for your engine and wiring is
> the Haynes CJ manual
#122
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Re: Brand new '89 YJ
The trouble with the YJ books is they only gloss over the 258 engine and
it's wiring whereas the CJ book specializes in it.
I have rewired a couple YJ engine bays due to fires and melted wires and
the CJ book is the best one by far for that.
The 258 engine runs best on Champion spark plugs. There should be a
sticker under the hood with the type. They will refuse to run with
Bosch plugs for some reason.
Once you get it running, there are lots of tweaks around to make them
just purr and fly depending on your interest in 'tweaking' things. No
sense in going over much of that now until you get it going and see how
it runs. If it has idle issues, there are quick fixes.
Mike
The Merg wrote:
> Thanks Mike,
> Really? the Haynes CJ manual? I know they're cheap, but I was thinking
> of just buying the FSM. I already have the Haynes YJ manual.
> I'll stop by the stealership on my lunch break tomorrow and get the wires.
> I don't remember what brand the cap and rotor were, they were brand new
> sitting in the Jeep when we rolled it home, so we threw them in just to
> make sure that wasn't the problem. They'll do for now.
> And they have Accel at the auto parts store two doors down from where I
> work (where I 'never' usually shop, cause they're overpriced a-holes),
> so I'll go grab on of those. Depending on the prices, I might pick them
> up for a few more of my heeps, too.
>
> Might as well ask - recommendations for spark plugs?
>
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> If you replace the coil, I would highly recommend you upgrade it at
>> this time.
>>
>> I went with an Accel 'SuperCoil' and really liked the performance
>> increase I noticed at the time and the gas mileage I get.
>>
>> The best wires to get are actually from the $tealership! I seldom
>> recommend them for parts, but the OEM wires are by 'far' the best ones.
>>
>> Stay far far away from the Accel distributor cap and rotor and wires.
>> They are very poorly made.
>>
>> Pay close attention to the new distributor cap and rotor, OEM is best
>> again for that. Aftermarket has some bad ones out there. The rotors
>> are too short so they arc out all over the place very soon after being
>> installed.
>>
>> Oh and just FYI, the best repair manual for your engine and wiring is
>> the Haynes CJ manual
it's wiring whereas the CJ book specializes in it.
I have rewired a couple YJ engine bays due to fires and melted wires and
the CJ book is the best one by far for that.
The 258 engine runs best on Champion spark plugs. There should be a
sticker under the hood with the type. They will refuse to run with
Bosch plugs for some reason.
Once you get it running, there are lots of tweaks around to make them
just purr and fly depending on your interest in 'tweaking' things. No
sense in going over much of that now until you get it going and see how
it runs. If it has idle issues, there are quick fixes.
Mike
The Merg wrote:
> Thanks Mike,
> Really? the Haynes CJ manual? I know they're cheap, but I was thinking
> of just buying the FSM. I already have the Haynes YJ manual.
> I'll stop by the stealership on my lunch break tomorrow and get the wires.
> I don't remember what brand the cap and rotor were, they were brand new
> sitting in the Jeep when we rolled it home, so we threw them in just to
> make sure that wasn't the problem. They'll do for now.
> And they have Accel at the auto parts store two doors down from where I
> work (where I 'never' usually shop, cause they're overpriced a-holes),
> so I'll go grab on of those. Depending on the prices, I might pick them
> up for a few more of my heeps, too.
>
> Might as well ask - recommendations for spark plugs?
>
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> If you replace the coil, I would highly recommend you upgrade it at
>> this time.
>>
>> I went with an Accel 'SuperCoil' and really liked the performance
>> increase I noticed at the time and the gas mileage I get.
>>
>> The best wires to get are actually from the $tealership! I seldom
>> recommend them for parts, but the OEM wires are by 'far' the best ones.
>>
>> Stay far far away from the Accel distributor cap and rotor and wires.
>> They are very poorly made.
>>
>> Pay close attention to the new distributor cap and rotor, OEM is best
>> again for that. Aftermarket has some bad ones out there. The rotors
>> are too short so they arc out all over the place very soon after being
>> installed.
>>
>> Oh and just FYI, the best repair manual for your engine and wiring is
>> the Haynes CJ manual
#123
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Re: Brand new '89 YJ
The trouble with the YJ books is they only gloss over the 258 engine and
it's wiring whereas the CJ book specializes in it.
I have rewired a couple YJ engine bays due to fires and melted wires and
the CJ book is the best one by far for that.
The 258 engine runs best on Champion spark plugs. There should be a
sticker under the hood with the type. They will refuse to run with
Bosch plugs for some reason.
Once you get it running, there are lots of tweaks around to make them
just purr and fly depending on your interest in 'tweaking' things. No
sense in going over much of that now until you get it going and see how
it runs. If it has idle issues, there are quick fixes.
Mike
The Merg wrote:
> Thanks Mike,
> Really? the Haynes CJ manual? I know they're cheap, but I was thinking
> of just buying the FSM. I already have the Haynes YJ manual.
> I'll stop by the stealership on my lunch break tomorrow and get the wires.
> I don't remember what brand the cap and rotor were, they were brand new
> sitting in the Jeep when we rolled it home, so we threw them in just to
> make sure that wasn't the problem. They'll do for now.
> And they have Accel at the auto parts store two doors down from where I
> work (where I 'never' usually shop, cause they're overpriced a-holes),
> so I'll go grab on of those. Depending on the prices, I might pick them
> up for a few more of my heeps, too.
>
> Might as well ask - recommendations for spark plugs?
>
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> If you replace the coil, I would highly recommend you upgrade it at
>> this time.
>>
>> I went with an Accel 'SuperCoil' and really liked the performance
>> increase I noticed at the time and the gas mileage I get.
>>
>> The best wires to get are actually from the $tealership! I seldom
>> recommend them for parts, but the OEM wires are by 'far' the best ones.
>>
>> Stay far far away from the Accel distributor cap and rotor and wires.
>> They are very poorly made.
>>
>> Pay close attention to the new distributor cap and rotor, OEM is best
>> again for that. Aftermarket has some bad ones out there. The rotors
>> are too short so they arc out all over the place very soon after being
>> installed.
>>
>> Oh and just FYI, the best repair manual for your engine and wiring is
>> the Haynes CJ manual
it's wiring whereas the CJ book specializes in it.
I have rewired a couple YJ engine bays due to fires and melted wires and
the CJ book is the best one by far for that.
The 258 engine runs best on Champion spark plugs. There should be a
sticker under the hood with the type. They will refuse to run with
Bosch plugs for some reason.
Once you get it running, there are lots of tweaks around to make them
just purr and fly depending on your interest in 'tweaking' things. No
sense in going over much of that now until you get it going and see how
it runs. If it has idle issues, there are quick fixes.
Mike
The Merg wrote:
> Thanks Mike,
> Really? the Haynes CJ manual? I know they're cheap, but I was thinking
> of just buying the FSM. I already have the Haynes YJ manual.
> I'll stop by the stealership on my lunch break tomorrow and get the wires.
> I don't remember what brand the cap and rotor were, they were brand new
> sitting in the Jeep when we rolled it home, so we threw them in just to
> make sure that wasn't the problem. They'll do for now.
> And they have Accel at the auto parts store two doors down from where I
> work (where I 'never' usually shop, cause they're overpriced a-holes),
> so I'll go grab on of those. Depending on the prices, I might pick them
> up for a few more of my heeps, too.
>
> Might as well ask - recommendations for spark plugs?
>
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> If you replace the coil, I would highly recommend you upgrade it at
>> this time.
>>
>> I went with an Accel 'SuperCoil' and really liked the performance
>> increase I noticed at the time and the gas mileage I get.
>>
>> The best wires to get are actually from the $tealership! I seldom
>> recommend them for parts, but the OEM wires are by 'far' the best ones.
>>
>> Stay far far away from the Accel distributor cap and rotor and wires.
>> They are very poorly made.
>>
>> Pay close attention to the new distributor cap and rotor, OEM is best
>> again for that. Aftermarket has some bad ones out there. The rotors
>> are too short so they arc out all over the place very soon after being
>> installed.
>>
>> Oh and just FYI, the best repair manual for your engine and wiring is
>> the Haynes CJ manual
#124
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Re: Brand new '89 YJ
The trouble with the YJ books is they only gloss over the 258 engine and
it's wiring whereas the CJ book specializes in it.
I have rewired a couple YJ engine bays due to fires and melted wires and
the CJ book is the best one by far for that.
The 258 engine runs best on Champion spark plugs. There should be a
sticker under the hood with the type. They will refuse to run with
Bosch plugs for some reason.
Once you get it running, there are lots of tweaks around to make them
just purr and fly depending on your interest in 'tweaking' things. No
sense in going over much of that now until you get it going and see how
it runs. If it has idle issues, there are quick fixes.
Mike
The Merg wrote:
> Thanks Mike,
> Really? the Haynes CJ manual? I know they're cheap, but I was thinking
> of just buying the FSM. I already have the Haynes YJ manual.
> I'll stop by the stealership on my lunch break tomorrow and get the wires.
> I don't remember what brand the cap and rotor were, they were brand new
> sitting in the Jeep when we rolled it home, so we threw them in just to
> make sure that wasn't the problem. They'll do for now.
> And they have Accel at the auto parts store two doors down from where I
> work (where I 'never' usually shop, cause they're overpriced a-holes),
> so I'll go grab on of those. Depending on the prices, I might pick them
> up for a few more of my heeps, too.
>
> Might as well ask - recommendations for spark plugs?
>
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> If you replace the coil, I would highly recommend you upgrade it at
>> this time.
>>
>> I went with an Accel 'SuperCoil' and really liked the performance
>> increase I noticed at the time and the gas mileage I get.
>>
>> The best wires to get are actually from the $tealership! I seldom
>> recommend them for parts, but the OEM wires are by 'far' the best ones.
>>
>> Stay far far away from the Accel distributor cap and rotor and wires.
>> They are very poorly made.
>>
>> Pay close attention to the new distributor cap and rotor, OEM is best
>> again for that. Aftermarket has some bad ones out there. The rotors
>> are too short so they arc out all over the place very soon after being
>> installed.
>>
>> Oh and just FYI, the best repair manual for your engine and wiring is
>> the Haynes CJ manual
it's wiring whereas the CJ book specializes in it.
I have rewired a couple YJ engine bays due to fires and melted wires and
the CJ book is the best one by far for that.
The 258 engine runs best on Champion spark plugs. There should be a
sticker under the hood with the type. They will refuse to run with
Bosch plugs for some reason.
Once you get it running, there are lots of tweaks around to make them
just purr and fly depending on your interest in 'tweaking' things. No
sense in going over much of that now until you get it going and see how
it runs. If it has idle issues, there are quick fixes.
Mike
The Merg wrote:
> Thanks Mike,
> Really? the Haynes CJ manual? I know they're cheap, but I was thinking
> of just buying the FSM. I already have the Haynes YJ manual.
> I'll stop by the stealership on my lunch break tomorrow and get the wires.
> I don't remember what brand the cap and rotor were, they were brand new
> sitting in the Jeep when we rolled it home, so we threw them in just to
> make sure that wasn't the problem. They'll do for now.
> And they have Accel at the auto parts store two doors down from where I
> work (where I 'never' usually shop, cause they're overpriced a-holes),
> so I'll go grab on of those. Depending on the prices, I might pick them
> up for a few more of my heeps, too.
>
> Might as well ask - recommendations for spark plugs?
>
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> If you replace the coil, I would highly recommend you upgrade it at
>> this time.
>>
>> I went with an Accel 'SuperCoil' and really liked the performance
>> increase I noticed at the time and the gas mileage I get.
>>
>> The best wires to get are actually from the $tealership! I seldom
>> recommend them for parts, but the OEM wires are by 'far' the best ones.
>>
>> Stay far far away from the Accel distributor cap and rotor and wires.
>> They are very poorly made.
>>
>> Pay close attention to the new distributor cap and rotor, OEM is best
>> again for that. Aftermarket has some bad ones out there. The rotors
>> are too short so they arc out all over the place very soon after being
>> installed.
>>
>> Oh and just FYI, the best repair manual for your engine and wiring is
>> the Haynes CJ manual
#125
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Re: Brand new '89 YJ
The trouble with the YJ books is they only gloss over the 258 engine and
it's wiring whereas the CJ book specializes in it.
I have rewired a couple YJ engine bays due to fires and melted wires and
the CJ book is the best one by far for that.
The 258 engine runs best on Champion spark plugs. There should be a
sticker under the hood with the type. They will refuse to run with
Bosch plugs for some reason.
Once you get it running, there are lots of tweaks around to make them
just purr and fly depending on your interest in 'tweaking' things. No
sense in going over much of that now until you get it going and see how
it runs. If it has idle issues, there are quick fixes.
Mike
The Merg wrote:
> Thanks Mike,
> Really? the Haynes CJ manual? I know they're cheap, but I was thinking
> of just buying the FSM. I already have the Haynes YJ manual.
> I'll stop by the stealership on my lunch break tomorrow and get the wires.
> I don't remember what brand the cap and rotor were, they were brand new
> sitting in the Jeep when we rolled it home, so we threw them in just to
> make sure that wasn't the problem. They'll do for now.
> And they have Accel at the auto parts store two doors down from where I
> work (where I 'never' usually shop, cause they're overpriced a-holes),
> so I'll go grab on of those. Depending on the prices, I might pick them
> up for a few more of my heeps, too.
>
> Might as well ask - recommendations for spark plugs?
>
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> If you replace the coil, I would highly recommend you upgrade it at
>> this time.
>>
>> I went with an Accel 'SuperCoil' and really liked the performance
>> increase I noticed at the time and the gas mileage I get.
>>
>> The best wires to get are actually from the $tealership! I seldom
>> recommend them for parts, but the OEM wires are by 'far' the best ones.
>>
>> Stay far far away from the Accel distributor cap and rotor and wires.
>> They are very poorly made.
>>
>> Pay close attention to the new distributor cap and rotor, OEM is best
>> again for that. Aftermarket has some bad ones out there. The rotors
>> are too short so they arc out all over the place very soon after being
>> installed.
>>
>> Oh and just FYI, the best repair manual for your engine and wiring is
>> the Haynes CJ manual
it's wiring whereas the CJ book specializes in it.
I have rewired a couple YJ engine bays due to fires and melted wires and
the CJ book is the best one by far for that.
The 258 engine runs best on Champion spark plugs. There should be a
sticker under the hood with the type. They will refuse to run with
Bosch plugs for some reason.
Once you get it running, there are lots of tweaks around to make them
just purr and fly depending on your interest in 'tweaking' things. No
sense in going over much of that now until you get it going and see how
it runs. If it has idle issues, there are quick fixes.
Mike
The Merg wrote:
> Thanks Mike,
> Really? the Haynes CJ manual? I know they're cheap, but I was thinking
> of just buying the FSM. I already have the Haynes YJ manual.
> I'll stop by the stealership on my lunch break tomorrow and get the wires.
> I don't remember what brand the cap and rotor were, they were brand new
> sitting in the Jeep when we rolled it home, so we threw them in just to
> make sure that wasn't the problem. They'll do for now.
> And they have Accel at the auto parts store two doors down from where I
> work (where I 'never' usually shop, cause they're overpriced a-holes),
> so I'll go grab on of those. Depending on the prices, I might pick them
> up for a few more of my heeps, too.
>
> Might as well ask - recommendations for spark plugs?
>
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> If you replace the coil, I would highly recommend you upgrade it at
>> this time.
>>
>> I went with an Accel 'SuperCoil' and really liked the performance
>> increase I noticed at the time and the gas mileage I get.
>>
>> The best wires to get are actually from the $tealership! I seldom
>> recommend them for parts, but the OEM wires are by 'far' the best ones.
>>
>> Stay far far away from the Accel distributor cap and rotor and wires.
>> They are very poorly made.
>>
>> Pay close attention to the new distributor cap and rotor, OEM is best
>> again for that. Aftermarket has some bad ones out there. The rotors
>> are too short so they arc out all over the place very soon after being
>> installed.
>>
>> Oh and just FYI, the best repair manual for your engine and wiring is
>> the Haynes CJ manual
#126
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Re: Brand new '89 YJ
Mike you are "one of the few"! Mercy, the parts situation is going
to the dogs, or at least the Chinese!
I also put an Accel coil on my CJ, not sure which one but it fits in
the standard bracket and has a Resin Core instead of oil to resist
vibration. It gave a noticable smoothness to the idle.
If you are REALLY insistant, you can still get a good Cap and Rotor.
Borg Warner still has available the good cap with the BRASS terminals
and a decent rotor. You will most likely need to ASK for the BEST
stuff to get it, everyone quotes prices on the Chinese Junk to keep
from scaring off the "Bubba Mechanics".
Wires are even harder to find. The only ones I can recommend are the
Belden brand, and make sure that when you open the box they are a Deep
Navy Blue in color. These are the good ones and you won't have any
problems with them. Belden makes wires for NASCAR, so they do know
what is necessary to make a good wire.
Good Luck, Bruce
#127
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Re: Brand new '89 YJ
Mike you are "one of the few"! Mercy, the parts situation is going
to the dogs, or at least the Chinese!
I also put an Accel coil on my CJ, not sure which one but it fits in
the standard bracket and has a Resin Core instead of oil to resist
vibration. It gave a noticable smoothness to the idle.
If you are REALLY insistant, you can still get a good Cap and Rotor.
Borg Warner still has available the good cap with the BRASS terminals
and a decent rotor. You will most likely need to ASK for the BEST
stuff to get it, everyone quotes prices on the Chinese Junk to keep
from scaring off the "Bubba Mechanics".
Wires are even harder to find. The only ones I can recommend are the
Belden brand, and make sure that when you open the box they are a Deep
Navy Blue in color. These are the good ones and you won't have any
problems with them. Belden makes wires for NASCAR, so they do know
what is necessary to make a good wire.
Good Luck, Bruce
#128
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Re: Brand new '89 YJ
Mike you are "one of the few"! Mercy, the parts situation is going
to the dogs, or at least the Chinese!
I also put an Accel coil on my CJ, not sure which one but it fits in
the standard bracket and has a Resin Core instead of oil to resist
vibration. It gave a noticable smoothness to the idle.
If you are REALLY insistant, you can still get a good Cap and Rotor.
Borg Warner still has available the good cap with the BRASS terminals
and a decent rotor. You will most likely need to ASK for the BEST
stuff to get it, everyone quotes prices on the Chinese Junk to keep
from scaring off the "Bubba Mechanics".
Wires are even harder to find. The only ones I can recommend are the
Belden brand, and make sure that when you open the box they are a Deep
Navy Blue in color. These are the good ones and you won't have any
problems with them. Belden makes wires for NASCAR, so they do know
what is necessary to make a good wire.
Good Luck, Bruce
#129
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Re: Brand new '89 YJ
Mike you are "one of the few"! Mercy, the parts situation is going
to the dogs, or at least the Chinese!
I also put an Accel coil on my CJ, not sure which one but it fits in
the standard bracket and has a Resin Core instead of oil to resist
vibration. It gave a noticable smoothness to the idle.
If you are REALLY insistant, you can still get a good Cap and Rotor.
Borg Warner still has available the good cap with the BRASS terminals
and a decent rotor. You will most likely need to ASK for the BEST
stuff to get it, everyone quotes prices on the Chinese Junk to keep
from scaring off the "Bubba Mechanics".
Wires are even harder to find. The only ones I can recommend are the
Belden brand, and make sure that when you open the box they are a Deep
Navy Blue in color. These are the good ones and you won't have any
problems with them. Belden makes wires for NASCAR, so they do know
what is necessary to make a good wire.
Good Luck, Bruce
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Re: Brand new '89 YJ
Bruce,
I can't seem to find a website for Belden. Do you know where I can
find some info or where I would be able to pick them up?
Thanks a lot.
On Feb 8, 10:34 am, "Highcountry" <highcountry2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Mike you are "one of the few"! Mercy, the parts situation is going
> to the dogs, or at least the Chinese!
>
> I also put an Accel coil on my CJ, not sure which one but it fits in
> the standard bracket and has a Resin Core instead of oil to resist
> vibration. It gave a noticable smoothness to the idle.
>
> If you are REALLY insistant, you can still get a good Cap and Rotor.
> Borg Warner still has available the good cap with the BRASS terminals
> and a decent rotor. You will most likely need to ASK for the BEST
> stuff to get it, everyone quotes prices on the Chinese Junk to keep
> from scaring off the "Bubba Mechanics".
>
> Wires are even harder to find. The only ones I can recommend are the
> Belden brand, and make sure that when you open the box they are a Deep
> Navy Blue in color. These are the good ones and you won't have any
> problems with them. Belden makes wires for NASCAR, so they do know
> what is necessary to make a good wire.
>
> Good Luck, Bruce
I can't seem to find a website for Belden. Do you know where I can
find some info or where I would be able to pick them up?
Thanks a lot.
On Feb 8, 10:34 am, "Highcountry" <highcountry2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Mike you are "one of the few"! Mercy, the parts situation is going
> to the dogs, or at least the Chinese!
>
> I also put an Accel coil on my CJ, not sure which one but it fits in
> the standard bracket and has a Resin Core instead of oil to resist
> vibration. It gave a noticable smoothness to the idle.
>
> If you are REALLY insistant, you can still get a good Cap and Rotor.
> Borg Warner still has available the good cap with the BRASS terminals
> and a decent rotor. You will most likely need to ASK for the BEST
> stuff to get it, everyone quotes prices on the Chinese Junk to keep
> from scaring off the "Bubba Mechanics".
>
> Wires are even harder to find. The only ones I can recommend are the
> Belden brand, and make sure that when you open the box they are a Deep
> Navy Blue in color. These are the good ones and you won't have any
> problems with them. Belden makes wires for NASCAR, so they do know
> what is necessary to make a good wire.
>
> Good Luck, Bruce