JimG

No adjustable control arms:

http://www.citlink.net/~gunnoes/Photos/LowerKit.JPG
http://www.citlink.net/~gunnoes/Photos/RearAxle.JPG

Hey Mike... notice the oil sprayed under there? This Jeep was from
Buffalo... the guy told me that was common practice in the north for rust
prevention. Do they do that in Canada?

JimG

"twaldron" wrote in message ...
> Here is my theory FWIW:
>
> The orig owner may have first passed on installing adj. control arms and
> used the drop kit instead, thinking he was saving money. After
> experiencing some driveline vibes even with the drop kit, he installed
> the CV driveshaft. JimG might have to buy some adj. control arms to
> complete the job. Of course, I'm going on one photo that does not show
> everything (including a drop kit) and a vivid imagination.
>
> So what of it, JimG...do you have any adj. upper control arms?
>

Eric

"There ARE other things besides usenet."

NO! Say it isn't so!

Well, I feel better about all that other stuff I did this weekend (wheeling,
halloween party -- you know, the usual). I thought I was abusing the
usenet...

Eric

p.s. Lighten up -- don't take things so seriously...
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:qOChd.4264$fC4.635@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com ...
> Yes, but as a week passes some people actually DO go out in the garage and
> get things accomplished. There ARE other things besides usenet. He MIGHT
> have actually removed it, as he should.
>
> Eric wrote:
>
>> YES, he has the drop kit installed... that's what the WHOLE thread we
>> "argued" was saying...
>>
>> And I quote: "See drive line angle here (with t-case lower kit still
>> installed):"
>>
>> SHEESH!
>>
>> Eric
>> ;-)
>>
>>
>> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
>> news:HVvhd.4168$fC4.1129@newssvr11.news.prodigy.co m...
>>
>>>Don't apologize, we all started at the beginning.
>>>
>>>The easiest way to adjust your pinion is with adjustable control arms. :)
>>>I can't tell by your picture if you have adjustable upper control arms or
>>>not, but you have the factory ones on the bottom. I'm assuming you do
>>>since (hard to tell by the pic) your pinion angle does not seem too far
>>>off. With a CV driveshaft you will want to point your pinion directly at
>>>the output shaft of the xfer case to eliminate vibes. Is your drop kit
>>>still installed? Maybe that's why the driveshaft looks to be at a correct
>>>attitude.
>>>
>>>JimG wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi twaldron (and others),
>>>>
>>>>The mechanics of the TJ are new to me, so excuse my ignorance. How dose
>>>>one adjust the pinion angle and is it absolutely necessary being that I
>>>>have the CV shaft?
>>>>See drive line angle here (with t-case lower kit still installed):
>>>>http://www.citlink.net/~gunnoes/Photos/DriveLine.JPG
>>>>
>>>>JimG
>>>>
>>>>"twaldron" wrote in message ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Ah, gotcha Eric. Then we agree except for whether or not to leave in
>>>>>the drop kit. I'd take it out and readjust the pinion. It'd be the
>>>>>cheapest clearance gain in the history of Jeepin'. Also, the difference
>>>>>in the distance between the xfer case output to the pinion, with or
>>>>>without the drop kit, is inconsequential as far as the length of the
>>>>>driveshaft is concerned, so he can keep his CV shaft.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>_______________________________________________ ____________
>>>tw
>>>
>>>71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>>>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
>>>01 XJ Sport
>>>
>>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>>-- Dave Barry
>>>
>>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>>Function: noun
>>>Date: 1940
>>>
>>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>>World War II.
>>>
>>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>>_______________________________________________ ____________
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________

Eric

"There ARE other things besides usenet."

NO! Say it isn't so!

Well, I feel better about all that other stuff I did this weekend (wheeling,
halloween party -- you know, the usual). I thought I was abusing the
usenet...

Eric

p.s. Lighten up -- don't take things so seriously...
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:qOChd.4264$fC4.635@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com ...
> Yes, but as a week passes some people actually DO go out in the garage and
> get things accomplished. There ARE other things besides usenet. He MIGHT
> have actually removed it, as he should.
>
> Eric wrote:
>
>> YES, he has the drop kit installed... that's what the WHOLE thread we
>> "argued" was saying...
>>
>> And I quote: "See drive line angle here (with t-case lower kit still
>> installed):"
>>
>> SHEESH!
>>
>> Eric
>> ;-)
>>
>>
>> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
>> news:HVvhd.4168$fC4.1129@newssvr11.news.prodigy.co m...
>>
>>>Don't apologize, we all started at the beginning.
>>>
>>>The easiest way to adjust your pinion is with adjustable control arms. :)
>>>I can't tell by your picture if you have adjustable upper control arms or
>>>not, but you have the factory ones on the bottom. I'm assuming you do
>>>since (hard to tell by the pic) your pinion angle does not seem too far
>>>off. With a CV driveshaft you will want to point your pinion directly at
>>>the output shaft of the xfer case to eliminate vibes. Is your drop kit
>>>still installed? Maybe that's why the driveshaft looks to be at a correct
>>>attitude.
>>>
>>>JimG wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi twaldron (and others),
>>>>
>>>>The mechanics of the TJ are new to me, so excuse my ignorance. How dose
>>>>one adjust the pinion angle and is it absolutely necessary being that I
>>>>have the CV shaft?
>>>>See drive line angle here (with t-case lower kit still installed):
>>>>http://www.citlink.net/~gunnoes/Photos/DriveLine.JPG
>>>>
>>>>JimG
>>>>
>>>>"twaldron" wrote in message ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Ah, gotcha Eric. Then we agree except for whether or not to leave in
>>>>>the drop kit. I'd take it out and readjust the pinion. It'd be the
>>>>>cheapest clearance gain in the history of Jeepin'. Also, the difference
>>>>>in the distance between the xfer case output to the pinion, with or
>>>>>without the drop kit, is inconsequential as far as the length of the
>>>>>driveshaft is concerned, so he can keep his CV shaft.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>_______________________________________________ ____________
>>>tw
>>>
>>>71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>>>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
>>>01 XJ Sport
>>>
>>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>>-- Dave Barry
>>>
>>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>>Function: noun
>>>Date: 1940
>>>
>>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>>World War II.
>>>
>>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>>_______________________________________________ ____________
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________

Eric

"There ARE other things besides usenet."

NO! Say it isn't so!

Well, I feel better about all that other stuff I did this weekend (wheeling,
halloween party -- you know, the usual). I thought I was abusing the
usenet...

Eric

p.s. Lighten up -- don't take things so seriously...
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:qOChd.4264$fC4.635@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com ...
> Yes, but as a week passes some people actually DO go out in the garage and
> get things accomplished. There ARE other things besides usenet. He MIGHT
> have actually removed it, as he should.
>
> Eric wrote:
>
>> YES, he has the drop kit installed... that's what the WHOLE thread we
>> "argued" was saying...
>>
>> And I quote: "See drive line angle here (with t-case lower kit still
>> installed):"
>>
>> SHEESH!
>>
>> Eric
>> ;-)
>>
>>
>> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
>> news:HVvhd.4168$fC4.1129@newssvr11.news.prodigy.co m...
>>
>>>Don't apologize, we all started at the beginning.
>>>
>>>The easiest way to adjust your pinion is with adjustable control arms. :)
>>>I can't tell by your picture if you have adjustable upper control arms or
>>>not, but you have the factory ones on the bottom. I'm assuming you do
>>>since (hard to tell by the pic) your pinion angle does not seem too far
>>>off. With a CV driveshaft you will want to point your pinion directly at
>>>the output shaft of the xfer case to eliminate vibes. Is your drop kit
>>>still installed? Maybe that's why the driveshaft looks to be at a correct
>>>attitude.
>>>
>>>JimG wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi twaldron (and others),
>>>>
>>>>The mechanics of the TJ are new to me, so excuse my ignorance. How dose
>>>>one adjust the pinion angle and is it absolutely necessary being that I
>>>>have the CV shaft?
>>>>See drive line angle here (with t-case lower kit still installed):
>>>>http://www.citlink.net/~gunnoes/Photos/DriveLine.JPG
>>>>
>>>>JimG
>>>>
>>>>"twaldron" wrote in message ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Ah, gotcha Eric. Then we agree except for whether or not to leave in
>>>>>the drop kit. I'd take it out and readjust the pinion. It'd be the
>>>>>cheapest clearance gain in the history of Jeepin'. Also, the difference
>>>>>in the distance between the xfer case output to the pinion, with or
>>>>>without the drop kit, is inconsequential as far as the length of the
>>>>>driveshaft is concerned, so he can keep his CV shaft.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>_______________________________________________ ____________
>>>tw
>>>
>>>71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>>>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
>>>01 XJ Sport
>>>
>>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>>-- Dave Barry
>>>
>>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>>Function: noun
>>>Date: 1940
>>>
>>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>>World War II.
>>>
>>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>>_______________________________________________ ____________
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________

twaldron

Ok, thanks. I'll stick to my theory. Let us know what you decide to do.

JimG wrote:
> No adjustable control arms:
>
> http://www.citlink.net/~gunnoes/Photos/LowerKit.JPG
> http://www.citlink.net/~gunnoes/Photos/RearAxle.JPG
>
> Hey Mike... notice the oil sprayed under there? This Jeep was from
> Buffalo... the guy told me that was common practice in the north for rust
> prevention. Do they do that in Canada?
>
> JimG
>
> "twaldron" wrote in message ...
>
>>Here is my theory FWIW:
>>
>>The orig owner may have first passed on installing adj. control arms and
>>used the drop kit instead, thinking he was saving money. After
>>experiencing some driveline vibes even with the drop kit, he installed
>>the CV driveshaft. JimG might have to buy some adj. control arms to
>>complete the job. Of course, I'm going on one photo that does not show
>>everything (including a drop kit) and a vivid imagination.
>>
>>So what of it, JimG...do you have any adj. upper control arms?


--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________

twaldron

Ok, thanks. I'll stick to my theory. Let us know what you decide to do.

JimG wrote:
> No adjustable control arms:
>
> http://www.citlink.net/~gunnoes/Photos/LowerKit.JPG
> http://www.citlink.net/~gunnoes/Photos/RearAxle.JPG
>
> Hey Mike... notice the oil sprayed under there? This Jeep was from
> Buffalo... the guy told me that was common practice in the north for rust
> prevention. Do they do that in Canada?
>
> JimG
>
> "twaldron" wrote in message ...
>
>>Here is my theory FWIW:
>>
>>The orig owner may have first passed on installing adj. control arms and
>>used the drop kit instead, thinking he was saving money. After
>>experiencing some driveline vibes even with the drop kit, he installed
>>the CV driveshaft. JimG might have to buy some adj. control arms to
>>complete the job. Of course, I'm going on one photo that does not show
>>everything (including a drop kit) and a vivid imagination.
>>
>>So what of it, JimG...do you have any adj. upper control arms?


--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________

twaldron

Ok, thanks. I'll stick to my theory. Let us know what you decide to do.

JimG wrote:
> No adjustable control arms:
>
> http://www.citlink.net/~gunnoes/Photos/LowerKit.JPG
> http://www.citlink.net/~gunnoes/Photos/RearAxle.JPG
>
> Hey Mike... notice the oil sprayed under there? This Jeep was from
> Buffalo... the guy told me that was common practice in the north for rust
> prevention. Do they do that in Canada?
>
> JimG
>
> "twaldron" wrote in message ...
>
>>Here is my theory FWIW:
>>
>>The orig owner may have first passed on installing adj. control arms and
>>used the drop kit instead, thinking he was saving money. After
>>experiencing some driveline vibes even with the drop kit, he installed
>>the CV driveshaft. JimG might have to buy some adj. control arms to
>>complete the job. Of course, I'm going on one photo that does not show
>>everything (including a drop kit) and a vivid imagination.
>>
>>So what of it, JimG...do you have any adj. upper control arms?


--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________

Mike Romain

The oil spray is common for rust protection.

Your rear pinion angle looks almost right from the angle the photo
shows. It is supposed to be pointing square at the driveshaft.

If you jack up the rear of the Jeep and let the axle hang in space, it
can give you an idea if the axle is long enough. There is a spline slip
joint in the axle. If it is only say 1/4 the way out at full droop,
then likely you have tons of room to raise that plate back up where it
should be.

While it's drooped you could at least unbolt the t-case end and just
hand place it up higher to see if it extends enough.

Mike

JimG wrote:
>
> No adjustable control arms:
>
> http://www.citlink.net/~gunnoes/Photos/LowerKit.JPG
> http://www.citlink.net/~gunnoes/Photos/RearAxle.JPG
>
> Hey Mike... notice the oil sprayed under there? This Jeep was from
> Buffalo... the guy told me that was common practice in the north for rust
> prevention. Do they do that in Canada?
>
> JimG
>
> "twaldron" wrote in message ...
> > Here is my theory FWIW:
> >
> > The orig owner may have first passed on installing adj. control arms and
> > used the drop kit instead, thinking he was saving money. After
> > experiencing some driveline vibes even with the drop kit, he installed
> > the CV driveshaft. JimG might have to buy some adj. control arms to
> > complete the job. Of course, I'm going on one photo that does not show
> > everything (including a drop kit) and a vivid imagination.
> >
> > So what of it, JimG...do you have any adj. upper control arms?
> >

Mike Romain

The oil spray is common for rust protection.

Your rear pinion angle looks almost right from the angle the photo
shows. It is supposed to be pointing square at the driveshaft.

If you jack up the rear of the Jeep and let the axle hang in space, it
can give you an idea if the axle is long enough. There is a spline slip
joint in the axle. If it is only say 1/4 the way out at full droop,
then likely you have tons of room to raise that plate back up where it
should be.

While it's drooped you could at least unbolt the t-case end and just
hand place it up higher to see if it extends enough.

Mike

JimG wrote:
>
> No adjustable control arms:
>
> http://www.citlink.net/~gunnoes/Photos/LowerKit.JPG
> http://www.citlink.net/~gunnoes/Photos/RearAxle.JPG
>
> Hey Mike... notice the oil sprayed under there? This Jeep was from
> Buffalo... the guy told me that was common practice in the north for rust
> prevention. Do they do that in Canada?
>
> JimG
>
> "twaldron" wrote in message ...
> > Here is my theory FWIW:
> >
> > The orig owner may have first passed on installing adj. control arms and
> > used the drop kit instead, thinking he was saving money. After
> > experiencing some driveline vibes even with the drop kit, he installed
> > the CV driveshaft. JimG might have to buy some adj. control arms to
> > complete the job. Of course, I'm going on one photo that does not show
> > everything (including a drop kit) and a vivid imagination.
> >
> > So what of it, JimG...do you have any adj. upper control arms?
> >

Mike Romain

The oil spray is common for rust protection.

Your rear pinion angle looks almost right from the angle the photo
shows. It is supposed to be pointing square at the driveshaft.

If you jack up the rear of the Jeep and let the axle hang in space, it
can give you an idea if the axle is long enough. There is a spline slip
joint in the axle. If it is only say 1/4 the way out at full droop,
then likely you have tons of room to raise that plate back up where it
should be.

While it's drooped you could at least unbolt the t-case end and just
hand place it up higher to see if it extends enough.

Mike

JimG wrote:
>
> No adjustable control arms:
>
> http://www.citlink.net/~gunnoes/Photos/LowerKit.JPG
> http://www.citlink.net/~gunnoes/Photos/RearAxle.JPG
>
> Hey Mike... notice the oil sprayed under there? This Jeep was from
> Buffalo... the guy told me that was common practice in the north for rust
> prevention. Do they do that in Canada?
>
> JimG
>
> "twaldron" wrote in message ...
> > Here is my theory FWIW:
> >
> > The orig owner may have first passed on installing adj. control arms and
> > used the drop kit instead, thinking he was saving money. After
> > experiencing some driveline vibes even with the drop kit, he installed
> > the CV driveshaft. JimG might have to buy some adj. control arms to
> > complete the job. Of course, I'm going on one photo that does not show
> > everything (including a drop kit) and a vivid imagination.
> >
> > So what of it, JimG...do you have any adj. upper control arms?
> >