Jennifer is using an Detroit Locker. Are you going to tell me it
doesn't release as per it's tests: http://www.tractech.com/TechTips.htm
Jerry, you're so... full of sh*t it's unbelievable, and the very reason
I read this group, is to correct your misinformation.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> Matt and Jeff, give up on Bill as I did a long time ago. He is so
> hopelessly outdated that he has to base his Detroit Locker experience on
> his fifty-year old drag racing days from when he was a teenager. He
> knows so little about today's technology that he thought an Ox-Locker
> was vacuum-actuated and didn't realize it became a spool when engaged.
> Bill hasn't offroaded in so many years that he's irrelevant on anything
> to do with lockers and offroading. Then when Bill gets educated here
> enough to realize that the Ox locker was actually engaged and operating
> as a spool which he claimed would have prevented the problem, he can't
> own up to being wrong.
>
> Same old -------- Bill is known for.
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > (a) Ox isn't vacuum lock, it's mechanically actuated via cable. (b) Let me
> > clarify, are you talking about the rear axle, or front? Because the orginal
> > post in the thread was regarding front axles, not rear, and you told him to
> > "use a spool."
> >
> > "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:4273D879.DD095873@***.net...
> >
> >> My "assumption" as you want to call it, is based on my teenage
> >>years driving dragsters, where a Detroit Locker could cause a full sized
> >>stock factor experimental to lunch straight up into the air do a
> >>pirouette and come down headed back to the pits. In slow-motion that's
> >>was exactly what Jennifer's locker did, that's how we know it was a
> >>Detroit, and not a OX vacuum lock, one wheel had to have released in
> >>order for it to turn around to go back down the hill:
> >>http://www.xws.com/jbjeep/jenroll-shortversion.mpg
> >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >>
> >>>She was probably so confused by your tangents she didn't want to go down
> >>>that road.
> >>>
> >>>OK, so we've established that she didn't have a front Detroit locker, but
> >>>rather it was an OX. And you've established *she* never told you her
> >>>Detroit
> >>>released causing her to go over; you merely *assumed* she had detroit.
> >>>Since
> >>>an OX locker is essentially a spool when locked, and it was locked
> >>>according
> >>>to the video, what's your theory now why she rolled? Did she buy gas in
> >>>Mexico? Did she have over 15,000 miles on her spark plugs?
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

 

So in that gobblygook, do you realize the outside tire must release
if it is turned faster, like if the vehicle is being thrown to the right
against the bank as in Jeni's roll, that there's NO drag on that wheel,
like a spool.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> If the tires can slip on the ground, the locker will never unlock. That is
> what makes it a locker. Remember, a locker causes stress to build in the
> differential because the tires can not slip easily on the pavement, this
> stress must be released before other parts might break. If the tires are on
> dirt, the stress never builds up because the tires slip easily. You seem to
> be forgetting that the locker only unlocks when the tires don't slip on the
> dirt.

 

So in that gobblygook, do you realize the outside tire must release
if it is turned faster, like if the vehicle is being thrown to the right
against the bank as in Jeni's roll, that there's NO drag on that wheel,
like a spool.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> If the tires can slip on the ground, the locker will never unlock. That is
> what makes it a locker. Remember, a locker causes stress to build in the
> differential because the tires can not slip easily on the pavement, this
> stress must be released before other parts might break. If the tires are on
> dirt, the stress never builds up because the tires slip easily. You seem to
> be forgetting that the locker only unlocks when the tires don't slip on the
> dirt.

 

So in that gobblygook, do you realize the outside tire must release
if it is turned faster, like if the vehicle is being thrown to the right
against the bank as in Jeni's roll, that there's NO drag on that wheel,
like a spool.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> If the tires can slip on the ground, the locker will never unlock. That is
> what makes it a locker. Remember, a locker causes stress to build in the
> differential because the tires can not slip easily on the pavement, this
> stress must be released before other parts might break. If the tires are on
> dirt, the stress never builds up because the tires slip easily. You seem to
> be forgetting that the locker only unlocks when the tires don't slip on the
> dirt.

 

So in that gobblygook, do you realize the outside tire must release
if it is turned faster, like if the vehicle is being thrown to the right
against the bank as in Jeni's roll, that there's NO drag on that wheel,
like a spool.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> If the tires can slip on the ground, the locker will never unlock. That is
> what makes it a locker. Remember, a locker causes stress to build in the
> differential because the tires can not slip easily on the pavement, this
> stress must be released before other parts might break. If the tires are on
> dirt, the stress never builds up because the tires slip easily. You seem to
> be forgetting that the locker only unlocks when the tires don't slip on the
> dirt.

 

Jen used an OxLocker. It acts like a spool that the driver turns on and off.
It does not unlock like an auto locker does. This is cited as a weakness
because when it does not unlock AND the vehicle is on a surface that does
not allow the stress to be released through the tires, then the stress is
released through broken parts.

But, you are talking about how a vehicle is thrown about by the rear axle,
the question is about the front axle. So, thank you again, Captain
BesideThePoint. And, Jen went over for reasons not related to the front
locker.




"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42769933.7CD92E7@***.net...
> So in that gobblygook, do you realize the outside tire must release
> if it is turned faster, like if the vehicle is being thrown to the right
> against the bank as in Jeni's roll, that there's NO drag on that wheel,
> like a spool.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > If the tires can slip on the ground, the locker will never unlock. That
is
> > what makes it a locker. Remember, a locker causes stress to build in the
> > differential because the tires can not slip easily on the pavement, this
> > stress must be released before other parts might break. If the tires are
on
> > dirt, the stress never builds up because the tires slip easily. You seem
to
> > be forgetting that the locker only unlocks when the tires don't slip on
the
> > dirt.

 

Jen used an OxLocker. It acts like a spool that the driver turns on and off.
It does not unlock like an auto locker does. This is cited as a weakness
because when it does not unlock AND the vehicle is on a surface that does
not allow the stress to be released through the tires, then the stress is
released through broken parts.

But, you are talking about how a vehicle is thrown about by the rear axle,
the question is about the front axle. So, thank you again, Captain
BesideThePoint. And, Jen went over for reasons not related to the front
locker.




"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42769933.7CD92E7@***.net...
> So in that gobblygook, do you realize the outside tire must release
> if it is turned faster, like if the vehicle is being thrown to the right
> against the bank as in Jeni's roll, that there's NO drag on that wheel,
> like a spool.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > If the tires can slip on the ground, the locker will never unlock. That
is
> > what makes it a locker. Remember, a locker causes stress to build in the
> > differential because the tires can not slip easily on the pavement, this
> > stress must be released before other parts might break. If the tires are
on
> > dirt, the stress never builds up because the tires slip easily. You seem
to
> > be forgetting that the locker only unlocks when the tires don't slip on
the
> > dirt.

 

Jen used an OxLocker. It acts like a spool that the driver turns on and off.
It does not unlock like an auto locker does. This is cited as a weakness
because when it does not unlock AND the vehicle is on a surface that does
not allow the stress to be released through the tires, then the stress is
released through broken parts.

But, you are talking about how a vehicle is thrown about by the rear axle,
the question is about the front axle. So, thank you again, Captain
BesideThePoint. And, Jen went over for reasons not related to the front
locker.




"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42769933.7CD92E7@***.net...
> So in that gobblygook, do you realize the outside tire must release
> if it is turned faster, like if the vehicle is being thrown to the right
> against the bank as in Jeni's roll, that there's NO drag on that wheel,
> like a spool.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > If the tires can slip on the ground, the locker will never unlock. That
is
> > what makes it a locker. Remember, a locker causes stress to build in the
> > differential because the tires can not slip easily on the pavement, this
> > stress must be released before other parts might break. If the tires are
on
> > dirt, the stress never builds up because the tires slip easily. You seem
to
> > be forgetting that the locker only unlocks when the tires don't slip on
the
> > dirt.

 

Jen used an OxLocker. It acts like a spool that the driver turns on and off.
It does not unlock like an auto locker does. This is cited as a weakness
because when it does not unlock AND the vehicle is on a surface that does
not allow the stress to be released through the tires, then the stress is
released through broken parts.

But, you are talking about how a vehicle is thrown about by the rear axle,
the question is about the front axle. So, thank you again, Captain
BesideThePoint. And, Jen went over for reasons not related to the front
locker.




"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42769933.7CD92E7@***.net...
> So in that gobblygook, do you realize the outside tire must release
> if it is turned faster, like if the vehicle is being thrown to the right
> against the bank as in Jeni's roll, that there's NO drag on that wheel,
> like a spool.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > If the tires can slip on the ground, the locker will never unlock. That
is
> > what makes it a locker. Remember, a locker causes stress to build in the
> > differential because the tires can not slip easily on the pavement, this
> > stress must be released before other parts might break. If the tires are
on
> > dirt, the stress never builds up because the tires slip easily. You seem
to
> > be forgetting that the locker only unlocks when the tires don't slip on
the
> > dirt.

 

Yes Bill we are all wrong and you are of course right. ;)

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> So in that gobblygook, do you realize the outside tire must release
> if it is turned faster, like if the vehicle is being thrown to the right
> against the bank as in Jeni's roll, that there's NO drag on that wheel,
> like a spool.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
>>If the tires can slip on the ground, the locker will never unlock. That is
>>what makes it a locker. Remember, a locker causes stress to build in the
>>differential because the tires can not slip easily on the pavement, this
>>stress must be released before other parts might break. If the tires are on
>>dirt, the stress never builds up because the tires slip easily. You seem to
>>be forgetting that the locker only unlocks when the tires don't slip on the
>>dirt.

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/