Mike Romain

You are looking to get killed sir.

Fogs sure do eliminate some of the glare by focusing your eyes lower.
Same deal when you see oncoming cars, you look to the low beams on your
vehicle, not up into the oncoming glare.

Oncoming vehicles 'cannot' see you with only your fogs on in time to
avoid hitting you.

I grew up on the North East coast of North America and really know what
'pea soup' fog is.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

mabar wrote:
>
> That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or eliminate
> the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
> from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
> regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
>
> In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
> on - low beam headlights off.
>
> Tom
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10d15dp1lns1171@corp.supernews.com...
> > Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce or eliminate the reflected glare
> of
> > the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction
> with
> > the low beams.
> >
> snip

Mike Romain

You are looking to get killed sir.

Fogs sure do eliminate some of the glare by focusing your eyes lower.
Same deal when you see oncoming cars, you look to the low beams on your
vehicle, not up into the oncoming glare.

Oncoming vehicles 'cannot' see you with only your fogs on in time to
avoid hitting you.

I grew up on the North East coast of North America and really know what
'pea soup' fog is.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

mabar wrote:
>
> That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or eliminate
> the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
> from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
> regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
>
> In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
> on - low beam headlights off.
>
> Tom
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10d15dp1lns1171@corp.supernews.com...
> > Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce or eliminate the reflected glare
> of
> > the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction
> with
> > the low beams.
> >
> snip

Mike Romain

You are looking to get killed sir.

Fogs sure do eliminate some of the glare by focusing your eyes lower.
Same deal when you see oncoming cars, you look to the low beams on your
vehicle, not up into the oncoming glare.

Oncoming vehicles 'cannot' see you with only your fogs on in time to
avoid hitting you.

I grew up on the North East coast of North America and really know what
'pea soup' fog is.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

mabar wrote:
>
> That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or eliminate
> the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the light
> from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
> regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
>
> In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking lights
> on - low beam headlights off.
>
> Tom
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10d15dp1lns1171@corp.supernews.com...
> > Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce or eliminate the reflected glare
> of
> > the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction
> with
> > the low beams.
> >
> snip

Fred W.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40D0F5D9.ED1F561E@sympatico.ca...
> You are looking to get killed sir.
>
> Fogs sure do eliminate some of the glare by focusing your eyes lower.
> Same deal when you see oncoming cars, you look to the low beams on your
> vehicle, not up into the oncoming glare.
>
> Oncoming vehicles 'cannot' see you with only your fogs on in time to
> avoid hitting you.
>
> I grew up on the North East coast of North America and really know what
> 'pea soup' fog is.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>

Well, Mike. I *still* live in the Northeast coastal area of North America
and I disagree with your analysis. Yes, running in dense fog with fog
lights and headlights simultaneously is better than the headlights alone,
but no, it is not better than running with just foglights if you want to see
where you are going.

There is no way in the world that turning on additional light will reduce
the headlight backdazzle that occurs off fog. That just does not make
sense. Your analogy to oncoming traffic is flawed in that the light
reflected by fog is (nearly) omnidirectional.

The reasoning behind the laws may be what you say, ie. that it is harder for
other drivers to see you without the headlights on, but the idea they would
ram into you is facetious since the kind of fog that you really need
foglights for is thick enough that you (and they) should have slowed to a
near crawl anyway. Though I've lived most of my years here, I seldom see
that kind of conditions

But that is not how fog lights are generally used by the motoring public in
the US anyway. They are used most often during clear weather under the
misguided notion that since the foreground is illuminated better, the driver
believes they can also see farther ahead. They are wrong. They see less
for the very reason you mentioned above.

-Fred W

Fred W.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40D0F5D9.ED1F561E@sympatico.ca...
> You are looking to get killed sir.
>
> Fogs sure do eliminate some of the glare by focusing your eyes lower.
> Same deal when you see oncoming cars, you look to the low beams on your
> vehicle, not up into the oncoming glare.
>
> Oncoming vehicles 'cannot' see you with only your fogs on in time to
> avoid hitting you.
>
> I grew up on the North East coast of North America and really know what
> 'pea soup' fog is.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>

Well, Mike. I *still* live in the Northeast coastal area of North America
and I disagree with your analysis. Yes, running in dense fog with fog
lights and headlights simultaneously is better than the headlights alone,
but no, it is not better than running with just foglights if you want to see
where you are going.

There is no way in the world that turning on additional light will reduce
the headlight backdazzle that occurs off fog. That just does not make
sense. Your analogy to oncoming traffic is flawed in that the light
reflected by fog is (nearly) omnidirectional.

The reasoning behind the laws may be what you say, ie. that it is harder for
other drivers to see you without the headlights on, but the idea they would
ram into you is facetious since the kind of fog that you really need
foglights for is thick enough that you (and they) should have slowed to a
near crawl anyway. Though I've lived most of my years here, I seldom see
that kind of conditions

But that is not how fog lights are generally used by the motoring public in
the US anyway. They are used most often during clear weather under the
misguided notion that since the foreground is illuminated better, the driver
believes they can also see farther ahead. They are wrong. They see less
for the very reason you mentioned above.

-Fred W

Fred W.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40D0F5D9.ED1F561E@sympatico.ca...
> You are looking to get killed sir.
>
> Fogs sure do eliminate some of the glare by focusing your eyes lower.
> Same deal when you see oncoming cars, you look to the low beams on your
> vehicle, not up into the oncoming glare.
>
> Oncoming vehicles 'cannot' see you with only your fogs on in time to
> avoid hitting you.
>
> I grew up on the North East coast of North America and really know what
> 'pea soup' fog is.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>

Well, Mike. I *still* live in the Northeast coastal area of North America
and I disagree with your analysis. Yes, running in dense fog with fog
lights and headlights simultaneously is better than the headlights alone,
but no, it is not better than running with just foglights if you want to see
where you are going.

There is no way in the world that turning on additional light will reduce
the headlight backdazzle that occurs off fog. That just does not make
sense. Your analogy to oncoming traffic is flawed in that the light
reflected by fog is (nearly) omnidirectional.

The reasoning behind the laws may be what you say, ie. that it is harder for
other drivers to see you without the headlights on, but the idea they would
ram into you is facetious since the kind of fog that you really need
foglights for is thick enough that you (and they) should have slowed to a
near crawl anyway. Though I've lived most of my years here, I seldom see
that kind of conditions

But that is not how fog lights are generally used by the motoring public in
the US anyway. They are used most often during clear weather under the
misguided notion that since the foreground is illuminated better, the driver
believes they can also see farther ahead. They are wrong. They see less
for the very reason you mentioned above.

-Fred W

Fred W.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40D0F5D9.ED1F561E@sympatico.ca...
> You are looking to get killed sir.
>
> Fogs sure do eliminate some of the glare by focusing your eyes lower.
> Same deal when you see oncoming cars, you look to the low beams on your
> vehicle, not up into the oncoming glare.
>
> Oncoming vehicles 'cannot' see you with only your fogs on in time to
> avoid hitting you.
>
> I grew up on the North East coast of North America and really know what
> 'pea soup' fog is.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>

Well, Mike. I *still* live in the Northeast coastal area of North America
and I disagree with your analysis. Yes, running in dense fog with fog
lights and headlights simultaneously is better than the headlights alone,
but no, it is not better than running with just foglights if you want to see
where you are going.

There is no way in the world that turning on additional light will reduce
the headlight backdazzle that occurs off fog. That just does not make
sense. Your analogy to oncoming traffic is flawed in that the light
reflected by fog is (nearly) omnidirectional.

The reasoning behind the laws may be what you say, ie. that it is harder for
other drivers to see you without the headlights on, but the idea they would
ram into you is facetious since the kind of fog that you really need
foglights for is thick enough that you (and they) should have slowed to a
near crawl anyway. Though I've lived most of my years here, I seldom see
that kind of conditions

But that is not how fog lights are generally used by the motoring public in
the US anyway. They are used most often during clear weather under the
misguided notion that since the foreground is illuminated better, the driver
believes they can also see farther ahead. They are wrong. They see less
for the very reason you mentioned above.

-Fred W

Mike Romain

"Fred W." wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40D0F5D9.ED1F561E@sympatico.ca...
> > You are looking to get killed sir.
> >
> > Fogs sure do eliminate some of the glare by focusing your eyes lower.
> > Same deal when you see oncoming cars, you look to the low beams on your
> > vehicle, not up into the oncoming glare.
> >
> > Oncoming vehicles 'cannot' see you with only your fogs on in time to
> > avoid hitting you.
> >
> > I grew up on the North East coast of North America and really know what
> > 'pea soup' fog is.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
>
> Well, Mike. I *still* live in the Northeast coastal area of North America
> and I disagree with your analysis. Yes, running in dense fog with fog
> lights and headlights simultaneously is better than the headlights alone,
> but no, it is not better than running with just foglights if you want to see
> where you are going.
>
> There is no way in the world that turning on additional light will reduce
> the headlight backdazzle that occurs off fog. That just does not make
> sense. Your analogy to oncoming traffic is flawed in that the light
> reflected by fog is (nearly) omnidirectional.
>
> The reasoning behind the laws may be what you say, ie. that it is harder for
> other drivers to see you without the headlights on, but the idea they would
> ram into you is facetious since the kind of fog that you really need
> foglights for is thick enough that you (and they) should have slowed to a
> near crawl anyway. Though I've lived most of my years here, I seldom see
> that kind of conditions
>
> But that is not how fog lights are generally used by the motoring public in
> the US anyway. They are used most often during clear weather under the
> misguided notion that since the foreground is illuminated better, the driver
> believes they can also see farther ahead. They are wrong. They see less
> for the very reason you mentioned above.
>
> -Fred W

I have had near misses with dorks only running fogs thinking they can
see so damn good they can run up the middle of the road.

They have no clue they are out driving the safety factor on their
lights.

And i personally find it easier on the eyes from glare when the fogs
come on beside the low beams 'in heavy fog'.

Mike

Mike Romain

"Fred W." wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40D0F5D9.ED1F561E@sympatico.ca...
> > You are looking to get killed sir.
> >
> > Fogs sure do eliminate some of the glare by focusing your eyes lower.
> > Same deal when you see oncoming cars, you look to the low beams on your
> > vehicle, not up into the oncoming glare.
> >
> > Oncoming vehicles 'cannot' see you with only your fogs on in time to
> > avoid hitting you.
> >
> > I grew up on the North East coast of North America and really know what
> > 'pea soup' fog is.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
>
> Well, Mike. I *still* live in the Northeast coastal area of North America
> and I disagree with your analysis. Yes, running in dense fog with fog
> lights and headlights simultaneously is better than the headlights alone,
> but no, it is not better than running with just foglights if you want to see
> where you are going.
>
> There is no way in the world that turning on additional light will reduce
> the headlight backdazzle that occurs off fog. That just does not make
> sense. Your analogy to oncoming traffic is flawed in that the light
> reflected by fog is (nearly) omnidirectional.
>
> The reasoning behind the laws may be what you say, ie. that it is harder for
> other drivers to see you without the headlights on, but the idea they would
> ram into you is facetious since the kind of fog that you really need
> foglights for is thick enough that you (and they) should have slowed to a
> near crawl anyway. Though I've lived most of my years here, I seldom see
> that kind of conditions
>
> But that is not how fog lights are generally used by the motoring public in
> the US anyway. They are used most often during clear weather under the
> misguided notion that since the foreground is illuminated better, the driver
> believes they can also see farther ahead. They are wrong. They see less
> for the very reason you mentioned above.
>
> -Fred W

I have had near misses with dorks only running fogs thinking they can
see so damn good they can run up the middle of the road.

They have no clue they are out driving the safety factor on their
lights.

And i personally find it easier on the eyes from glare when the fogs
come on beside the low beams 'in heavy fog'.

Mike

Mike Romain

"Fred W." wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40D0F5D9.ED1F561E@sympatico.ca...
> > You are looking to get killed sir.
> >
> > Fogs sure do eliminate some of the glare by focusing your eyes lower.
> > Same deal when you see oncoming cars, you look to the low beams on your
> > vehicle, not up into the oncoming glare.
> >
> > Oncoming vehicles 'cannot' see you with only your fogs on in time to
> > avoid hitting you.
> >
> > I grew up on the North East coast of North America and really know what
> > 'pea soup' fog is.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
>
> Well, Mike. I *still* live in the Northeast coastal area of North America
> and I disagree with your analysis. Yes, running in dense fog with fog
> lights and headlights simultaneously is better than the headlights alone,
> but no, it is not better than running with just foglights if you want to see
> where you are going.
>
> There is no way in the world that turning on additional light will reduce
> the headlight backdazzle that occurs off fog. That just does not make
> sense. Your analogy to oncoming traffic is flawed in that the light
> reflected by fog is (nearly) omnidirectional.
>
> The reasoning behind the laws may be what you say, ie. that it is harder for
> other drivers to see you without the headlights on, but the idea they would
> ram into you is facetious since the kind of fog that you really need
> foglights for is thick enough that you (and they) should have slowed to a
> near crawl anyway. Though I've lived most of my years here, I seldom see
> that kind of conditions
>
> But that is not how fog lights are generally used by the motoring public in
> the US anyway. They are used most often during clear weather under the
> misguided notion that since the foreground is illuminated better, the driver
> believes they can also see farther ahead. They are wrong. They see less
> for the very reason you mentioned above.
>
> -Fred W

I have had near misses with dorks only running fogs thinking they can
see so damn good they can run up the middle of the road.

They have no clue they are out driving the safety factor on their
lights.

And i personally find it easier on the eyes from glare when the fogs
come on beside the low beams 'in heavy fog'.

Mike