Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
06-16-2004, 01:27 PM
#51
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40CF8EFE.917228CC@sympatico.ca...
> Fog lights are 'really, REALLY' nice to have if you are on the east
> coast. They have to be wired so they only come on with low beams and
> you aim them like low beams so you can drive with them on all the time.
> Yellow/amber is the best color for fog penetration.
>
Mike, Not picking on you here. Yellow Hella's are the way to go for
foglights,but...
Fog lights that *can't* be turned on without turning the headlights on are a
useless styling trick. The whole point for a foglights is to have lights
mounted down low that have a flat, wide horizontal beam pattern with a sharp
vertical cutoff such that the light does not reflect back off the fog into
the drivers eyes. If you can only turn them on when the headlights are on
(even the low beams) you *will* have the glare of the headlights in your
eyes, negating the benefit from the fogs.
Many cars are manufactured this way (incorrectly), and some states even have
laws against running on-road with just fogs on, even though that is how they
should be used, and here's the important part: *if it is very foggy*. I
f it is not foggy, they will actually *reduce* your vision by brightly
illuminating the foreground close to the car, reducing your eye's ability to
see the less bright areas illuminated by the headlights farther away from
the car. It is humorous to see all of the goof-***** driving around with
their fog-lights blazing in perfectly clear weather just because they came
on the car and they can turn them on. Can you say poser?
Here's some good automotive lighting info for anyone that cares:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/
-Fred W
06-16-2004, 01:27 PM
#52
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40CF8EFE.917228CC@sympatico.ca...
> Fog lights are 'really, REALLY' nice to have if you are on the east
> coast. They have to be wired so they only come on with low beams and
> you aim them like low beams so you can drive with them on all the time.
> Yellow/amber is the best color for fog penetration.
>
Mike, Not picking on you here. Yellow Hella's are the way to go for
foglights,but...
Fog lights that *can't* be turned on without turning the headlights on are a
useless styling trick. The whole point for a foglights is to have lights
mounted down low that have a flat, wide horizontal beam pattern with a sharp
vertical cutoff such that the light does not reflect back off the fog into
the drivers eyes. If you can only turn them on when the headlights are on
(even the low beams) you *will* have the glare of the headlights in your
eyes, negating the benefit from the fogs.
Many cars are manufactured this way (incorrectly), and some states even have
laws against running on-road with just fogs on, even though that is how they
should be used, and here's the important part: *if it is very foggy*. I
f it is not foggy, they will actually *reduce* your vision by brightly
illuminating the foreground close to the car, reducing your eye's ability to
see the less bright areas illuminated by the headlights farther away from
the car. It is humorous to see all of the goof-***** driving around with
their fog-lights blazing in perfectly clear weather just because they came
on the car and they can turn them on. Can you say poser?
Here's some good automotive lighting info for anyone that cares:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/
-Fred W
06-16-2004, 01:27 PM
#53
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40CF8EFE.917228CC@sympatico.ca...
> Fog lights are 'really, REALLY' nice to have if you are on the east
> coast. They have to be wired so they only come on with low beams and
> you aim them like low beams so you can drive with them on all the time.
> Yellow/amber is the best color for fog penetration.
>
Mike, Not picking on you here. Yellow Hella's are the way to go for
foglights,but...
Fog lights that *can't* be turned on without turning the headlights on are a
useless styling trick. The whole point for a foglights is to have lights
mounted down low that have a flat, wide horizontal beam pattern with a sharp
vertical cutoff such that the light does not reflect back off the fog into
the drivers eyes. If you can only turn them on when the headlights are on
(even the low beams) you *will* have the glare of the headlights in your
eyes, negating the benefit from the fogs.
Many cars are manufactured this way (incorrectly), and some states even have
laws against running on-road with just fogs on, even though that is how they
should be used, and here's the important part: *if it is very foggy*. I
f it is not foggy, they will actually *reduce* your vision by brightly
illuminating the foreground close to the car, reducing your eye's ability to
see the less bright areas illuminated by the headlights farther away from
the car. It is humorous to see all of the goof-***** driving around with
their fog-lights blazing in perfectly clear weather just because they came
on the car and they can turn them on. Can you say poser?
Here's some good automotive lighting info for anyone that cares:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/
-Fred W
06-16-2004, 01:41 PM
#54
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
"Fred W." wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40CF8EFE.917228CC@sympatico.ca...
> > Fog lights are 'really, REALLY' nice to have if you are on the east
> > coast. They have to be wired so they only come on with low beams and
> > you aim them like low beams so you can drive with them on all the time.
> > Yellow/amber is the best color for fog penetration.
> >
>
> Mike, Not picking on you here. Yellow Hella's are the way to go for
> foglights,but...
> Fog lights that *can't* be turned on without turning the headlights on are a
> useless styling trick. The whole point for a foglights is to have lights
> mounted down low that have a flat, wide horizontal beam pattern with a sharp
> vertical cutoff such that the light does not reflect back off the fog into
> the drivers eyes. If you can only turn them on when the headlights are on
> (even the low beams) you *will* have the glare of the headlights in your
> eyes, negating the benefit from the fogs.
>
> Many cars are manufactured this way (incorrectly), and some states even have
> laws against running on-road with just fogs on, even though that is how they
> should be used, and here's the important part: *if it is very foggy*. I
>
> f it is not foggy, they will actually *reduce* your vision by brightly
> illuminating the foreground close to the car, reducing your eye's ability to
> see the less bright areas illuminated by the headlights farther away from
> the car. It is humorous to see all of the goof-***** driving around with
> their fog-lights blazing in perfectly clear weather just because they came
> on the car and they can turn them on. Can you say poser?
>
> Here's some good automotive lighting info for anyone that cares:
> http://www.danielsternlighting.com/
>
> -Fred W
I totally agree Fred, but.....
The law is there for a reason. A properly set up fog light will work
best for the 'driver' with no other lights turned on except maybe
running lights.
Here is the But....
The oncoming traffic cannot see the fogs in time to miss hitting you.
Therefore you need the low beams on as well.
The low beams do penetrate the fog farther with the backward glare as a
bad side effect.
The fogs still do their job for up close visibility despite the low
beams.
I agree on the poser comment too, I was meaning it was legal to have
them on all the time, not that one should do that.
Mike
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40CF8EFE.917228CC@sympatico.ca...
> > Fog lights are 'really, REALLY' nice to have if you are on the east
> > coast. They have to be wired so they only come on with low beams and
> > you aim them like low beams so you can drive with them on all the time.
> > Yellow/amber is the best color for fog penetration.
> >
>
> Mike, Not picking on you here. Yellow Hella's are the way to go for
> foglights,but...
> Fog lights that *can't* be turned on without turning the headlights on are a
> useless styling trick. The whole point for a foglights is to have lights
> mounted down low that have a flat, wide horizontal beam pattern with a sharp
> vertical cutoff such that the light does not reflect back off the fog into
> the drivers eyes. If you can only turn them on when the headlights are on
> (even the low beams) you *will* have the glare of the headlights in your
> eyes, negating the benefit from the fogs.
>
> Many cars are manufactured this way (incorrectly), and some states even have
> laws against running on-road with just fogs on, even though that is how they
> should be used, and here's the important part: *if it is very foggy*. I
>
> f it is not foggy, they will actually *reduce* your vision by brightly
> illuminating the foreground close to the car, reducing your eye's ability to
> see the less bright areas illuminated by the headlights farther away from
> the car. It is humorous to see all of the goof-***** driving around with
> their fog-lights blazing in perfectly clear weather just because they came
> on the car and they can turn them on. Can you say poser?
>
> Here's some good automotive lighting info for anyone that cares:
> http://www.danielsternlighting.com/
>
> -Fred W
I totally agree Fred, but.....
The law is there for a reason. A properly set up fog light will work
best for the 'driver' with no other lights turned on except maybe
running lights.
Here is the But....
The oncoming traffic cannot see the fogs in time to miss hitting you.
Therefore you need the low beams on as well.
The low beams do penetrate the fog farther with the backward glare as a
bad side effect.
The fogs still do their job for up close visibility despite the low
beams.
I agree on the poser comment too, I was meaning it was legal to have
them on all the time, not that one should do that.
Mike
06-16-2004, 01:41 PM
#55
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
"Fred W." wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40CF8EFE.917228CC@sympatico.ca...
> > Fog lights are 'really, REALLY' nice to have if you are on the east
> > coast. They have to be wired so they only come on with low beams and
> > you aim them like low beams so you can drive with them on all the time.
> > Yellow/amber is the best color for fog penetration.
> >
>
> Mike, Not picking on you here. Yellow Hella's are the way to go for
> foglights,but...
> Fog lights that *can't* be turned on without turning the headlights on are a
> useless styling trick. The whole point for a foglights is to have lights
> mounted down low that have a flat, wide horizontal beam pattern with a sharp
> vertical cutoff such that the light does not reflect back off the fog into
> the drivers eyes. If you can only turn them on when the headlights are on
> (even the low beams) you *will* have the glare of the headlights in your
> eyes, negating the benefit from the fogs.
>
> Many cars are manufactured this way (incorrectly), and some states even have
> laws against running on-road with just fogs on, even though that is how they
> should be used, and here's the important part: *if it is very foggy*. I
>
> f it is not foggy, they will actually *reduce* your vision by brightly
> illuminating the foreground close to the car, reducing your eye's ability to
> see the less bright areas illuminated by the headlights farther away from
> the car. It is humorous to see all of the goof-***** driving around with
> their fog-lights blazing in perfectly clear weather just because they came
> on the car and they can turn them on. Can you say poser?
>
> Here's some good automotive lighting info for anyone that cares:
> http://www.danielsternlighting.com/
>
> -Fred W
I totally agree Fred, but.....
The law is there for a reason. A properly set up fog light will work
best for the 'driver' with no other lights turned on except maybe
running lights.
Here is the But....
The oncoming traffic cannot see the fogs in time to miss hitting you.
Therefore you need the low beams on as well.
The low beams do penetrate the fog farther with the backward glare as a
bad side effect.
The fogs still do their job for up close visibility despite the low
beams.
I agree on the poser comment too, I was meaning it was legal to have
them on all the time, not that one should do that.
Mike
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40CF8EFE.917228CC@sympatico.ca...
> > Fog lights are 'really, REALLY' nice to have if you are on the east
> > coast. They have to be wired so they only come on with low beams and
> > you aim them like low beams so you can drive with them on all the time.
> > Yellow/amber is the best color for fog penetration.
> >
>
> Mike, Not picking on you here. Yellow Hella's are the way to go for
> foglights,but...
> Fog lights that *can't* be turned on without turning the headlights on are a
> useless styling trick. The whole point for a foglights is to have lights
> mounted down low that have a flat, wide horizontal beam pattern with a sharp
> vertical cutoff such that the light does not reflect back off the fog into
> the drivers eyes. If you can only turn them on when the headlights are on
> (even the low beams) you *will* have the glare of the headlights in your
> eyes, negating the benefit from the fogs.
>
> Many cars are manufactured this way (incorrectly), and some states even have
> laws against running on-road with just fogs on, even though that is how they
> should be used, and here's the important part: *if it is very foggy*. I
>
> f it is not foggy, they will actually *reduce* your vision by brightly
> illuminating the foreground close to the car, reducing your eye's ability to
> see the less bright areas illuminated by the headlights farther away from
> the car. It is humorous to see all of the goof-***** driving around with
> their fog-lights blazing in perfectly clear weather just because they came
> on the car and they can turn them on. Can you say poser?
>
> Here's some good automotive lighting info for anyone that cares:
> http://www.danielsternlighting.com/
>
> -Fred W
I totally agree Fred, but.....
The law is there for a reason. A properly set up fog light will work
best for the 'driver' with no other lights turned on except maybe
running lights.
Here is the But....
The oncoming traffic cannot see the fogs in time to miss hitting you.
Therefore you need the low beams on as well.
The low beams do penetrate the fog farther with the backward glare as a
bad side effect.
The fogs still do their job for up close visibility despite the low
beams.
I agree on the poser comment too, I was meaning it was legal to have
them on all the time, not that one should do that.
Mike
06-16-2004, 01:41 PM
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
"Fred W." wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40CF8EFE.917228CC@sympatico.ca...
> > Fog lights are 'really, REALLY' nice to have if you are on the east
> > coast. They have to be wired so they only come on with low beams and
> > you aim them like low beams so you can drive with them on all the time.
> > Yellow/amber is the best color for fog penetration.
> >
>
> Mike, Not picking on you here. Yellow Hella's are the way to go for
> foglights,but...
> Fog lights that *can't* be turned on without turning the headlights on are a
> useless styling trick. The whole point for a foglights is to have lights
> mounted down low that have a flat, wide horizontal beam pattern with a sharp
> vertical cutoff such that the light does not reflect back off the fog into
> the drivers eyes. If you can only turn them on when the headlights are on
> (even the low beams) you *will* have the glare of the headlights in your
> eyes, negating the benefit from the fogs.
>
> Many cars are manufactured this way (incorrectly), and some states even have
> laws against running on-road with just fogs on, even though that is how they
> should be used, and here's the important part: *if it is very foggy*. I
>
> f it is not foggy, they will actually *reduce* your vision by brightly
> illuminating the foreground close to the car, reducing your eye's ability to
> see the less bright areas illuminated by the headlights farther away from
> the car. It is humorous to see all of the goof-***** driving around with
> their fog-lights blazing in perfectly clear weather just because they came
> on the car and they can turn them on. Can you say poser?
>
> Here's some good automotive lighting info for anyone that cares:
> http://www.danielsternlighting.com/
>
> -Fred W
I totally agree Fred, but.....
The law is there for a reason. A properly set up fog light will work
best for the 'driver' with no other lights turned on except maybe
running lights.
Here is the But....
The oncoming traffic cannot see the fogs in time to miss hitting you.
Therefore you need the low beams on as well.
The low beams do penetrate the fog farther with the backward glare as a
bad side effect.
The fogs still do their job for up close visibility despite the low
beams.
I agree on the poser comment too, I was meaning it was legal to have
them on all the time, not that one should do that.
Mike
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40CF8EFE.917228CC@sympatico.ca...
> > Fog lights are 'really, REALLY' nice to have if you are on the east
> > coast. They have to be wired so they only come on with low beams and
> > you aim them like low beams so you can drive with them on all the time.
> > Yellow/amber is the best color for fog penetration.
> >
>
> Mike, Not picking on you here. Yellow Hella's are the way to go for
> foglights,but...
> Fog lights that *can't* be turned on without turning the headlights on are a
> useless styling trick. The whole point for a foglights is to have lights
> mounted down low that have a flat, wide horizontal beam pattern with a sharp
> vertical cutoff such that the light does not reflect back off the fog into
> the drivers eyes. If you can only turn them on when the headlights are on
> (even the low beams) you *will* have the glare of the headlights in your
> eyes, negating the benefit from the fogs.
>
> Many cars are manufactured this way (incorrectly), and some states even have
> laws against running on-road with just fogs on, even though that is how they
> should be used, and here's the important part: *if it is very foggy*. I
>
> f it is not foggy, they will actually *reduce* your vision by brightly
> illuminating the foreground close to the car, reducing your eye's ability to
> see the less bright areas illuminated by the headlights farther away from
> the car. It is humorous to see all of the goof-***** driving around with
> their fog-lights blazing in perfectly clear weather just because they came
> on the car and they can turn them on. Can you say poser?
>
> Here's some good automotive lighting info for anyone that cares:
> http://www.danielsternlighting.com/
>
> -Fred W
I totally agree Fred, but.....
The law is there for a reason. A properly set up fog light will work
best for the 'driver' with no other lights turned on except maybe
running lights.
Here is the But....
The oncoming traffic cannot see the fogs in time to miss hitting you.
Therefore you need the low beams on as well.
The low beams do penetrate the fog farther with the backward glare as a
bad side effect.
The fogs still do their job for up close visibility despite the low
beams.
I agree on the poser comment too, I was meaning it was legal to have
them on all the time, not that one should do that.
Mike
06-16-2004, 01:41 PM
#57
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
"Fred W." wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40CF8EFE.917228CC@sympatico.ca...
> > Fog lights are 'really, REALLY' nice to have if you are on the east
> > coast. They have to be wired so they only come on with low beams and
> > you aim them like low beams so you can drive with them on all the time.
> > Yellow/amber is the best color for fog penetration.
> >
>
> Mike, Not picking on you here. Yellow Hella's are the way to go for
> foglights,but...
> Fog lights that *can't* be turned on without turning the headlights on are a
> useless styling trick. The whole point for a foglights is to have lights
> mounted down low that have a flat, wide horizontal beam pattern with a sharp
> vertical cutoff such that the light does not reflect back off the fog into
> the drivers eyes. If you can only turn them on when the headlights are on
> (even the low beams) you *will* have the glare of the headlights in your
> eyes, negating the benefit from the fogs.
>
> Many cars are manufactured this way (incorrectly), and some states even have
> laws against running on-road with just fogs on, even though that is how they
> should be used, and here's the important part: *if it is very foggy*. I
>
> f it is not foggy, they will actually *reduce* your vision by brightly
> illuminating the foreground close to the car, reducing your eye's ability to
> see the less bright areas illuminated by the headlights farther away from
> the car. It is humorous to see all of the goof-***** driving around with
> their fog-lights blazing in perfectly clear weather just because they came
> on the car and they can turn them on. Can you say poser?
>
> Here's some good automotive lighting info for anyone that cares:
> http://www.danielsternlighting.com/
>
> -Fred W
I totally agree Fred, but.....
The law is there for a reason. A properly set up fog light will work
best for the 'driver' with no other lights turned on except maybe
running lights.
Here is the But....
The oncoming traffic cannot see the fogs in time to miss hitting you.
Therefore you need the low beams on as well.
The low beams do penetrate the fog farther with the backward glare as a
bad side effect.
The fogs still do their job for up close visibility despite the low
beams.
I agree on the poser comment too, I was meaning it was legal to have
them on all the time, not that one should do that.
Mike
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40CF8EFE.917228CC@sympatico.ca...
> > Fog lights are 'really, REALLY' nice to have if you are on the east
> > coast. They have to be wired so they only come on with low beams and
> > you aim them like low beams so you can drive with them on all the time.
> > Yellow/amber is the best color for fog penetration.
> >
>
> Mike, Not picking on you here. Yellow Hella's are the way to go for
> foglights,but...
> Fog lights that *can't* be turned on without turning the headlights on are a
> useless styling trick. The whole point for a foglights is to have lights
> mounted down low that have a flat, wide horizontal beam pattern with a sharp
> vertical cutoff such that the light does not reflect back off the fog into
> the drivers eyes. If you can only turn them on when the headlights are on
> (even the low beams) you *will* have the glare of the headlights in your
> eyes, negating the benefit from the fogs.
>
> Many cars are manufactured this way (incorrectly), and some states even have
> laws against running on-road with just fogs on, even though that is how they
> should be used, and here's the important part: *if it is very foggy*. I
>
> f it is not foggy, they will actually *reduce* your vision by brightly
> illuminating the foreground close to the car, reducing your eye's ability to
> see the less bright areas illuminated by the headlights farther away from
> the car. It is humorous to see all of the goof-***** driving around with
> their fog-lights blazing in perfectly clear weather just because they came
> on the car and they can turn them on. Can you say poser?
>
> Here's some good automotive lighting info for anyone that cares:
> http://www.danielsternlighting.com/
>
> -Fred W
I totally agree Fred, but.....
The law is there for a reason. A properly set up fog light will work
best for the 'driver' with no other lights turned on except maybe
running lights.
Here is the But....
The oncoming traffic cannot see the fogs in time to miss hitting you.
Therefore you need the low beams on as well.
The low beams do penetrate the fog farther with the backward glare as a
bad side effect.
The fogs still do their job for up close visibility despite the low
beams.
I agree on the poser comment too, I was meaning it was legal to have
them on all the time, not that one should do that.
Mike
06-16-2004, 02:46 PM
#58
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Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce or eliminate the reflected glare of
the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction with
the low beams.
If fog lights worked best as a stand alone lighting system, then the
regulations that cover them would be such that the low beams would be
switched off if the fog lamps were switched on. Fog lamps are considered
auxiliary lighting for a reason.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40D08664.DDBDF837@sympatico.ca...
> "Fred W." wrote:
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40CF8EFE.917228CC@sympatico.ca...
> > > Fog lights are 'really, REALLY' nice to have if you are on the east
> > > coast. They have to be wired so they only come on with low beams and
> > > you aim them like low beams so you can drive with them on all the
time.
> > > Yellow/amber is the best color for fog penetration.
> > >
> >
> > Mike, Not picking on you here. Yellow Hella's are the way to go for
> > foglights,but...
> > Fog lights that *can't* be turned on without turning the headlights on
are a
> > useless styling trick. The whole point for a foglights is to have
lights
> > mounted down low that have a flat, wide horizontal beam pattern with a
sharp
> > vertical cutoff such that the light does not reflect back off the fog
into
> > the drivers eyes. If you can only turn them on when the headlights are
on
> > (even the low beams) you *will* have the glare of the headlights in
your
> > eyes, negating the benefit from the fogs.
> >
> > Many cars are manufactured this way (incorrectly), and some states even
have
> > laws against running on-road with just fogs on, even though that is how
they
> > should be used, and here's the important part: *if it is very foggy*.
I
> >
> > f it is not foggy, they will actually *reduce* your vision by brightly
> > illuminating the foreground close to the car, reducing your eye's
ability to
> > see the less bright areas illuminated by the headlights farther away
from
> > the car. It is humorous to see all of the goof-***** driving around
with
> > their fog-lights blazing in perfectly clear weather just because they
came
> > on the car and they can turn them on. Can you say poser?
> >
> > Here's some good automotive lighting info for anyone that cares:
> > http://www.danielsternlighting.com/
> >
> > -Fred W
>
> I totally agree Fred, but.....
>
> The law is there for a reason. A properly set up fog light will work
> best for the 'driver' with no other lights turned on except maybe
> running lights.
>
> Here is the But....
>
> The oncoming traffic cannot see the fogs in time to miss hitting you.
> Therefore you need the low beams on as well.
>
> The low beams do penetrate the fog farther with the backward glare as a
> bad side effect.
>
> The fogs still do their job for up close visibility despite the low
> beams.
>
> I agree on the poser comment too, I was meaning it was legal to have
> them on all the time, not that one should do that.
>
> Mike
the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction with
the low beams.
If fog lights worked best as a stand alone lighting system, then the
regulations that cover them would be such that the low beams would be
switched off if the fog lamps were switched on. Fog lamps are considered
auxiliary lighting for a reason.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40D08664.DDBDF837@sympatico.ca...
> "Fred W." wrote:
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40CF8EFE.917228CC@sympatico.ca...
> > > Fog lights are 'really, REALLY' nice to have if you are on the east
> > > coast. They have to be wired so they only come on with low beams and
> > > you aim them like low beams so you can drive with them on all the
time.
> > > Yellow/amber is the best color for fog penetration.
> > >
> >
> > Mike, Not picking on you here. Yellow Hella's are the way to go for
> > foglights,but...
> > Fog lights that *can't* be turned on without turning the headlights on
are a
> > useless styling trick. The whole point for a foglights is to have
lights
> > mounted down low that have a flat, wide horizontal beam pattern with a
sharp
> > vertical cutoff such that the light does not reflect back off the fog
into
> > the drivers eyes. If you can only turn them on when the headlights are
on
> > (even the low beams) you *will* have the glare of the headlights in
your
> > eyes, negating the benefit from the fogs.
> >
> > Many cars are manufactured this way (incorrectly), and some states even
have
> > laws against running on-road with just fogs on, even though that is how
they
> > should be used, and here's the important part: *if it is very foggy*.
I
> >
> > f it is not foggy, they will actually *reduce* your vision by brightly
> > illuminating the foreground close to the car, reducing your eye's
ability to
> > see the less bright areas illuminated by the headlights farther away
from
> > the car. It is humorous to see all of the goof-***** driving around
with
> > their fog-lights blazing in perfectly clear weather just because they
came
> > on the car and they can turn them on. Can you say poser?
> >
> > Here's some good automotive lighting info for anyone that cares:
> > http://www.danielsternlighting.com/
> >
> > -Fred W
>
> I totally agree Fred, but.....
>
> The law is there for a reason. A properly set up fog light will work
> best for the 'driver' with no other lights turned on except maybe
> running lights.
>
> Here is the But....
>
> The oncoming traffic cannot see the fogs in time to miss hitting you.
> Therefore you need the low beams on as well.
>
> The low beams do penetrate the fog farther with the backward glare as a
> bad side effect.
>
> The fogs still do their job for up close visibility despite the low
> beams.
>
> I agree on the poser comment too, I was meaning it was legal to have
> them on all the time, not that one should do that.
>
> Mike
06-16-2004, 02:46 PM
#59
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce or eliminate the reflected glare of
the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction with
the low beams.
If fog lights worked best as a stand alone lighting system, then the
regulations that cover them would be such that the low beams would be
switched off if the fog lamps were switched on. Fog lamps are considered
auxiliary lighting for a reason.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40D08664.DDBDF837@sympatico.ca...
> "Fred W." wrote:
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40CF8EFE.917228CC@sympatico.ca...
> > > Fog lights are 'really, REALLY' nice to have if you are on the east
> > > coast. They have to be wired so they only come on with low beams and
> > > you aim them like low beams so you can drive with them on all the
time.
> > > Yellow/amber is the best color for fog penetration.
> > >
> >
> > Mike, Not picking on you here. Yellow Hella's are the way to go for
> > foglights,but...
> > Fog lights that *can't* be turned on without turning the headlights on
are a
> > useless styling trick. The whole point for a foglights is to have
lights
> > mounted down low that have a flat, wide horizontal beam pattern with a
sharp
> > vertical cutoff such that the light does not reflect back off the fog
into
> > the drivers eyes. If you can only turn them on when the headlights are
on
> > (even the low beams) you *will* have the glare of the headlights in
your
> > eyes, negating the benefit from the fogs.
> >
> > Many cars are manufactured this way (incorrectly), and some states even
have
> > laws against running on-road with just fogs on, even though that is how
they
> > should be used, and here's the important part: *if it is very foggy*.
I
> >
> > f it is not foggy, they will actually *reduce* your vision by brightly
> > illuminating the foreground close to the car, reducing your eye's
ability to
> > see the less bright areas illuminated by the headlights farther away
from
> > the car. It is humorous to see all of the goof-***** driving around
with
> > their fog-lights blazing in perfectly clear weather just because they
came
> > on the car and they can turn them on. Can you say poser?
> >
> > Here's some good automotive lighting info for anyone that cares:
> > http://www.danielsternlighting.com/
> >
> > -Fred W
>
> I totally agree Fred, but.....
>
> The law is there for a reason. A properly set up fog light will work
> best for the 'driver' with no other lights turned on except maybe
> running lights.
>
> Here is the But....
>
> The oncoming traffic cannot see the fogs in time to miss hitting you.
> Therefore you need the low beams on as well.
>
> The low beams do penetrate the fog farther with the backward glare as a
> bad side effect.
>
> The fogs still do their job for up close visibility despite the low
> beams.
>
> I agree on the poser comment too, I was meaning it was legal to have
> them on all the time, not that one should do that.
>
> Mike
the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction with
the low beams.
If fog lights worked best as a stand alone lighting system, then the
regulations that cover them would be such that the low beams would be
switched off if the fog lamps were switched on. Fog lamps are considered
auxiliary lighting for a reason.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40D08664.DDBDF837@sympatico.ca...
> "Fred W." wrote:
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40CF8EFE.917228CC@sympatico.ca...
> > > Fog lights are 'really, REALLY' nice to have if you are on the east
> > > coast. They have to be wired so they only come on with low beams and
> > > you aim them like low beams so you can drive with them on all the
time.
> > > Yellow/amber is the best color for fog penetration.
> > >
> >
> > Mike, Not picking on you here. Yellow Hella's are the way to go for
> > foglights,but...
> > Fog lights that *can't* be turned on without turning the headlights on
are a
> > useless styling trick. The whole point for a foglights is to have
lights
> > mounted down low that have a flat, wide horizontal beam pattern with a
sharp
> > vertical cutoff such that the light does not reflect back off the fog
into
> > the drivers eyes. If you can only turn them on when the headlights are
on
> > (even the low beams) you *will* have the glare of the headlights in
your
> > eyes, negating the benefit from the fogs.
> >
> > Many cars are manufactured this way (incorrectly), and some states even
have
> > laws against running on-road with just fogs on, even though that is how
they
> > should be used, and here's the important part: *if it is very foggy*.
I
> >
> > f it is not foggy, they will actually *reduce* your vision by brightly
> > illuminating the foreground close to the car, reducing your eye's
ability to
> > see the less bright areas illuminated by the headlights farther away
from
> > the car. It is humorous to see all of the goof-***** driving around
with
> > their fog-lights blazing in perfectly clear weather just because they
came
> > on the car and they can turn them on. Can you say poser?
> >
> > Here's some good automotive lighting info for anyone that cares:
> > http://www.danielsternlighting.com/
> >
> > -Fred W
>
> I totally agree Fred, but.....
>
> The law is there for a reason. A properly set up fog light will work
> best for the 'driver' with no other lights turned on except maybe
> running lights.
>
> Here is the But....
>
> The oncoming traffic cannot see the fogs in time to miss hitting you.
> Therefore you need the low beams on as well.
>
> The low beams do penetrate the fog farther with the backward glare as a
> bad side effect.
>
> The fogs still do their job for up close visibility despite the low
> beams.
>
> I agree on the poser comment too, I was meaning it was legal to have
> them on all the time, not that one should do that.
>
> Mike
06-16-2004, 02:46 PM
#60
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Add-ons for 2000 Wrangler Sport
Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce or eliminate the reflected glare of
the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction with
the low beams.
If fog lights worked best as a stand alone lighting system, then the
regulations that cover them would be such that the low beams would be
switched off if the fog lamps were switched on. Fog lamps are considered
auxiliary lighting for a reason.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40D08664.DDBDF837@sympatico.ca...
> "Fred W." wrote:
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40CF8EFE.917228CC@sympatico.ca...
> > > Fog lights are 'really, REALLY' nice to have if you are on the east
> > > coast. They have to be wired so they only come on with low beams and
> > > you aim them like low beams so you can drive with them on all the
time.
> > > Yellow/amber is the best color for fog penetration.
> > >
> >
> > Mike, Not picking on you here. Yellow Hella's are the way to go for
> > foglights,but...
> > Fog lights that *can't* be turned on without turning the headlights on
are a
> > useless styling trick. The whole point for a foglights is to have
lights
> > mounted down low that have a flat, wide horizontal beam pattern with a
sharp
> > vertical cutoff such that the light does not reflect back off the fog
into
> > the drivers eyes. If you can only turn them on when the headlights are
on
> > (even the low beams) you *will* have the glare of the headlights in
your
> > eyes, negating the benefit from the fogs.
> >
> > Many cars are manufactured this way (incorrectly), and some states even
have
> > laws against running on-road with just fogs on, even though that is how
they
> > should be used, and here's the important part: *if it is very foggy*.
I
> >
> > f it is not foggy, they will actually *reduce* your vision by brightly
> > illuminating the foreground close to the car, reducing your eye's
ability to
> > see the less bright areas illuminated by the headlights farther away
from
> > the car. It is humorous to see all of the goof-***** driving around
with
> > their fog-lights blazing in perfectly clear weather just because they
came
> > on the car and they can turn them on. Can you say poser?
> >
> > Here's some good automotive lighting info for anyone that cares:
> > http://www.danielsternlighting.com/
> >
> > -Fred W
>
> I totally agree Fred, but.....
>
> The law is there for a reason. A properly set up fog light will work
> best for the 'driver' with no other lights turned on except maybe
> running lights.
>
> Here is the But....
>
> The oncoming traffic cannot see the fogs in time to miss hitting you.
> Therefore you need the low beams on as well.
>
> The low beams do penetrate the fog farther with the backward glare as a
> bad side effect.
>
> The fogs still do their job for up close visibility despite the low
> beams.
>
> I agree on the poser comment too, I was meaning it was legal to have
> them on all the time, not that one should do that.
>
> Mike
the low beams, that is why they are required to be used in conjunction with
the low beams.
If fog lights worked best as a stand alone lighting system, then the
regulations that cover them would be such that the low beams would be
switched off if the fog lamps were switched on. Fog lamps are considered
auxiliary lighting for a reason.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40D08664.DDBDF837@sympatico.ca...
> "Fred W." wrote:
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40CF8EFE.917228CC@sympatico.ca...
> > > Fog lights are 'really, REALLY' nice to have if you are on the east
> > > coast. They have to be wired so they only come on with low beams and
> > > you aim them like low beams so you can drive with them on all the
time.
> > > Yellow/amber is the best color for fog penetration.
> > >
> >
> > Mike, Not picking on you here. Yellow Hella's are the way to go for
> > foglights,but...
> > Fog lights that *can't* be turned on without turning the headlights on
are a
> > useless styling trick. The whole point for a foglights is to have
lights
> > mounted down low that have a flat, wide horizontal beam pattern with a
sharp
> > vertical cutoff such that the light does not reflect back off the fog
into
> > the drivers eyes. If you can only turn them on when the headlights are
on
> > (even the low beams) you *will* have the glare of the headlights in
your
> > eyes, negating the benefit from the fogs.
> >
> > Many cars are manufactured this way (incorrectly), and some states even
have
> > laws against running on-road with just fogs on, even though that is how
they
> > should be used, and here's the important part: *if it is very foggy*.
I
> >
> > f it is not foggy, they will actually *reduce* your vision by brightly
> > illuminating the foreground close to the car, reducing your eye's
ability to
> > see the less bright areas illuminated by the headlights farther away
from
> > the car. It is humorous to see all of the goof-***** driving around
with
> > their fog-lights blazing in perfectly clear weather just because they
came
> > on the car and they can turn them on. Can you say poser?
> >
> > Here's some good automotive lighting info for anyone that cares:
> > http://www.danielsternlighting.com/
> >
> > -Fred W
>
> I totally agree Fred, but.....
>
> The law is there for a reason. A properly set up fog light will work
> best for the 'driver' with no other lights turned on except maybe
> running lights.
>
> Here is the But....
>
> The oncoming traffic cannot see the fogs in time to miss hitting you.
> Therefore you need the low beams on as well.
>
> The low beams do penetrate the fog farther with the backward glare as a
> bad side effect.
>
> The fogs still do their job for up close visibility despite the low
> beams.
>
> I agree on the poser comment too, I was meaning it was legal to have
> them on all the time, not that one should do that.
>
> Mike