"In many states it does." You don't really believe that, do you?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Fred W." wrote:
>
> Depends on what the definition of "is" is. What is a headlight? Does a
> foglight or driving light qualify as a headlight?
> In many states it does.

 

Maybe if you looked at the dialation of your pupils, while no
longer trying to see through the bright area of the low beam, but lower
in the fog aimed beam at the white center or side lines of the road.
Note aiming: http://www.----------.com/TJFog.pdf
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

"Fred W." wrote:
>
> I think we will have to agree to disagee on this. I still do not see how
> the light reflected from the headlight would be reduced in the least by
> turning on another light source. The percentage of total broadcast light
> would be less, but that is not what our eyes respond to. They are only
> responsive to the absolute amount of light. WRT headlights being required
> by law, I believe that this is just one of many instances where the motoring
> laws in the US are antiquated or based on non-sense. Just like the
> ****-poor regulations on what constitutes a legal (DOT) head light beam.
>
> >
> > There is absolutely no logic in your assertion that fog lamps work best
> when
> > used alone.
>
> Let me try one more time. We agree that the light from the foglight will
> not be reflected back into the eyes of the driver. Therefore the only light
> the eye receives would be reflected from the objects the driver needs to
> see. The iris of eye will adjust to the lower amplitude of light and allow
> decent enough vision for very slow driving. OTOH, when headlights are used
> simultaneously, even though the fogs still do the same job of illuminating
> the road in front of the car, the reflected light from the headlights will
> cause the iris to close down making the eye less sensitive to the stuff you
> want to see. It is a signal to noise issue where the reflected light is the
> noise.
>
> >
> > As for using fog lamps in clear weather, have you thought that poeple
> think
> > they look cool, and don't give it a second thought that they can even see
> at
> > all? Most drivers are morons that would prefer to paint their nails or
> watch
> > TV while driving, do you think they give looking outside any more than a
> > passing thought? No, they don't care if they can see, they only care that
> > they LOOK good. Sheesh, Fred, I thought you knew that!
>
> Yeah, I did (do). I was just giving them the (undeserved) benefit of the
> doubt. ;-)
>
> -Fred W

 

Maybe if you looked at the dialation of your pupils, while no
longer trying to see through the bright area of the low beam, but lower
in the fog aimed beam at the white center or side lines of the road.
Note aiming: http://www.----------.com/TJFog.pdf
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

"Fred W." wrote:
>
> I think we will have to agree to disagee on this. I still do not see how
> the light reflected from the headlight would be reduced in the least by
> turning on another light source. The percentage of total broadcast light
> would be less, but that is not what our eyes respond to. They are only
> responsive to the absolute amount of light. WRT headlights being required
> by law, I believe that this is just one of many instances where the motoring
> laws in the US are antiquated or based on non-sense. Just like the
> ****-poor regulations on what constitutes a legal (DOT) head light beam.
>
> >
> > There is absolutely no logic in your assertion that fog lamps work best
> when
> > used alone.
>
> Let me try one more time. We agree that the light from the foglight will
> not be reflected back into the eyes of the driver. Therefore the only light
> the eye receives would be reflected from the objects the driver needs to
> see. The iris of eye will adjust to the lower amplitude of light and allow
> decent enough vision for very slow driving. OTOH, when headlights are used
> simultaneously, even though the fogs still do the same job of illuminating
> the road in front of the car, the reflected light from the headlights will
> cause the iris to close down making the eye less sensitive to the stuff you
> want to see. It is a signal to noise issue where the reflected light is the
> noise.
>
> >
> > As for using fog lamps in clear weather, have you thought that poeple
> think
> > they look cool, and don't give it a second thought that they can even see
> at
> > all? Most drivers are morons that would prefer to paint their nails or
> watch
> > TV while driving, do you think they give looking outside any more than a
> > passing thought? No, they don't care if they can see, they only care that
> > they LOOK good. Sheesh, Fred, I thought you knew that!
>
> Yeah, I did (do). I was just giving them the (undeserved) benefit of the
> doubt. ;-)
>
> -Fred W

 

Maybe if you looked at the dialation of your pupils, while no
longer trying to see through the bright area of the low beam, but lower
in the fog aimed beam at the white center or side lines of the road.
Note aiming: http://www.----------.com/TJFog.pdf
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

"Fred W." wrote:
>
> I think we will have to agree to disagee on this. I still do not see how
> the light reflected from the headlight would be reduced in the least by
> turning on another light source. The percentage of total broadcast light
> would be less, but that is not what our eyes respond to. They are only
> responsive to the absolute amount of light. WRT headlights being required
> by law, I believe that this is just one of many instances where the motoring
> laws in the US are antiquated or based on non-sense. Just like the
> ****-poor regulations on what constitutes a legal (DOT) head light beam.
>
> >
> > There is absolutely no logic in your assertion that fog lamps work best
> when
> > used alone.
>
> Let me try one more time. We agree that the light from the foglight will
> not be reflected back into the eyes of the driver. Therefore the only light
> the eye receives would be reflected from the objects the driver needs to
> see. The iris of eye will adjust to the lower amplitude of light and allow
> decent enough vision for very slow driving. OTOH, when headlights are used
> simultaneously, even though the fogs still do the same job of illuminating
> the road in front of the car, the reflected light from the headlights will
> cause the iris to close down making the eye less sensitive to the stuff you
> want to see. It is a signal to noise issue where the reflected light is the
> noise.
>
> >
> > As for using fog lamps in clear weather, have you thought that poeple
> think
> > they look cool, and don't give it a second thought that they can even see
> at
> > all? Most drivers are morons that would prefer to paint their nails or
> watch
> > TV while driving, do you think they give looking outside any more than a
> > passing thought? No, they don't care if they can see, they only care that
> > they LOOK good. Sheesh, Fred, I thought you knew that!
>
> Yeah, I did (do). I was just giving them the (undeserved) benefit of the
> doubt. ;-)
>
> -Fred W

 

Maybe if you looked at the dialation of your pupils, while no
longer trying to see through the bright area of the low beam, but lower
in the fog aimed beam at the white center or side lines of the road.
Note aiming: http://www.----------.com/TJFog.pdf
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

"Fred W." wrote:
>
> I think we will have to agree to disagee on this. I still do not see how
> the light reflected from the headlight would be reduced in the least by
> turning on another light source. The percentage of total broadcast light
> would be less, but that is not what our eyes respond to. They are only
> responsive to the absolute amount of light. WRT headlights being required
> by law, I believe that this is just one of many instances where the motoring
> laws in the US are antiquated or based on non-sense. Just like the
> ****-poor regulations on what constitutes a legal (DOT) head light beam.
>
> >
> > There is absolutely no logic in your assertion that fog lamps work best
> when
> > used alone.
>
> Let me try one more time. We agree that the light from the foglight will
> not be reflected back into the eyes of the driver. Therefore the only light
> the eye receives would be reflected from the objects the driver needs to
> see. The iris of eye will adjust to the lower amplitude of light and allow
> decent enough vision for very slow driving. OTOH, when headlights are used
> simultaneously, even though the fogs still do the same job of illuminating
> the road in front of the car, the reflected light from the headlights will
> cause the iris to close down making the eye less sensitive to the stuff you
> want to see. It is a signal to noise issue where the reflected light is the
> noise.
>
> >
> > As for using fog lamps in clear weather, have you thought that poeple
> think
> > they look cool, and don't give it a second thought that they can even see
> at
> > all? Most drivers are morons that would prefer to paint their nails or
> watch
> > TV while driving, do you think they give looking outside any more than a
> > passing thought? No, they don't care if they can see, they only care that
> > they LOOK good. Sheesh, Fred, I thought you knew that!
>
> Yeah, I did (do). I was just giving them the (undeserved) benefit of the
> doubt. ;-)
>
> -Fred W

 

Yup, that is how it 'seems' to work for me too...

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Maybe if you looked at the dialation of your pupils, while no
> longer trying to see through the bright area of the low beam, but lower
> in the fog aimed beam at the white center or side lines of the road.
> Note aiming: http://www.----------.com/TJFog.pdf
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> "Fred W." wrote:
> >
> > I think we will have to agree to disagee on this. I still do not see how
> > the light reflected from the headlight would be reduced in the least by
> > turning on another light source. The percentage of total broadcast light
> > would be less, but that is not what our eyes respond to. They are only
> > responsive to the absolute amount of light. WRT headlights being required
> > by law, I believe that this is just one of many instances where the motoring
> > laws in the US are antiquated or based on non-sense. Just like the
> > ****-poor regulations on what constitutes a legal (DOT) head light beam.
> >
> > >
> > > There is absolutely no logic in your assertion that fog lamps work best
> > when
> > > used alone.
> >
> > Let me try one more time. We agree that the light from the foglight will
> > not be reflected back into the eyes of the driver. Therefore the only light
> > the eye receives would be reflected from the objects the driver needs to
> > see. The iris of eye will adjust to the lower amplitude of light and allow
> > decent enough vision for very slow driving. OTOH, when headlights are used
> > simultaneously, even though the fogs still do the same job of illuminating
> > the road in front of the car, the reflected light from the headlights will
> > cause the iris to close down making the eye less sensitive to the stuff you
> > want to see. It is a signal to noise issue where the reflected light is the
> > noise.
> >
> > >
> > > As for using fog lamps in clear weather, have you thought that poeple
> > think
> > > they look cool, and don't give it a second thought that they can even see
> > at
> > > all? Most drivers are morons that would prefer to paint their nails or
> > watch
> > > TV while driving, do you think they give looking outside any more than a
> > > passing thought? No, they don't care if they can see, they only care that
> > > they LOOK good. Sheesh, Fred, I thought you knew that!
> >
> > Yeah, I did (do). I was just giving them the (undeserved) benefit of the
> > doubt. ;-)
> >
> > -Fred W

 

Yup, that is how it 'seems' to work for me too...

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Maybe if you looked at the dialation of your pupils, while no
> longer trying to see through the bright area of the low beam, but lower
> in the fog aimed beam at the white center or side lines of the road.
> Note aiming: http://www.----------.com/TJFog.pdf
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> "Fred W." wrote:
> >
> > I think we will have to agree to disagee on this. I still do not see how
> > the light reflected from the headlight would be reduced in the least by
> > turning on another light source. The percentage of total broadcast light
> > would be less, but that is not what our eyes respond to. They are only
> > responsive to the absolute amount of light. WRT headlights being required
> > by law, I believe that this is just one of many instances where the motoring
> > laws in the US are antiquated or based on non-sense. Just like the
> > ****-poor regulations on what constitutes a legal (DOT) head light beam.
> >
> > >
> > > There is absolutely no logic in your assertion that fog lamps work best
> > when
> > > used alone.
> >
> > Let me try one more time. We agree that the light from the foglight will
> > not be reflected back into the eyes of the driver. Therefore the only light
> > the eye receives would be reflected from the objects the driver needs to
> > see. The iris of eye will adjust to the lower amplitude of light and allow
> > decent enough vision for very slow driving. OTOH, when headlights are used
> > simultaneously, even though the fogs still do the same job of illuminating
> > the road in front of the car, the reflected light from the headlights will
> > cause the iris to close down making the eye less sensitive to the stuff you
> > want to see. It is a signal to noise issue where the reflected light is the
> > noise.
> >
> > >
> > > As for using fog lamps in clear weather, have you thought that poeple
> > think
> > > they look cool, and don't give it a second thought that they can even see
> > at
> > > all? Most drivers are morons that would prefer to paint their nails or
> > watch
> > > TV while driving, do you think they give looking outside any more than a
> > > passing thought? No, they don't care if they can see, they only care that
> > > they LOOK good. Sheesh, Fred, I thought you knew that!
> >
> > Yeah, I did (do). I was just giving them the (undeserved) benefit of the
> > doubt. ;-)
> >
> > -Fred W

 

Yup, that is how it 'seems' to work for me too...

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Maybe if you looked at the dialation of your pupils, while no
> longer trying to see through the bright area of the low beam, but lower
> in the fog aimed beam at the white center or side lines of the road.
> Note aiming: http://www.----------.com/TJFog.pdf
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> "Fred W." wrote:
> >
> > I think we will have to agree to disagee on this. I still do not see how
> > the light reflected from the headlight would be reduced in the least by
> > turning on another light source. The percentage of total broadcast light
> > would be less, but that is not what our eyes respond to. They are only
> > responsive to the absolute amount of light. WRT headlights being required
> > by law, I believe that this is just one of many instances where the motoring
> > laws in the US are antiquated or based on non-sense. Just like the
> > ****-poor regulations on what constitutes a legal (DOT) head light beam.
> >
> > >
> > > There is absolutely no logic in your assertion that fog lamps work best
> > when
> > > used alone.
> >
> > Let me try one more time. We agree that the light from the foglight will
> > not be reflected back into the eyes of the driver. Therefore the only light
> > the eye receives would be reflected from the objects the driver needs to
> > see. The iris of eye will adjust to the lower amplitude of light and allow
> > decent enough vision for very slow driving. OTOH, when headlights are used
> > simultaneously, even though the fogs still do the same job of illuminating
> > the road in front of the car, the reflected light from the headlights will
> > cause the iris to close down making the eye less sensitive to the stuff you
> > want to see. It is a signal to noise issue where the reflected light is the
> > noise.
> >
> > >
> > > As for using fog lamps in clear weather, have you thought that poeple
> > think
> > > they look cool, and don't give it a second thought that they can even see
> > at
> > > all? Most drivers are morons that would prefer to paint their nails or
> > watch
> > > TV while driving, do you think they give looking outside any more than a
> > > passing thought? No, they don't care if they can see, they only care that
> > > they LOOK good. Sheesh, Fred, I thought you knew that!
> >
> > Yeah, I did (do). I was just giving them the (undeserved) benefit of the
> > doubt. ;-)
> >
> > -Fred W

 

Yup, that is how it 'seems' to work for me too...

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Maybe if you looked at the dialation of your pupils, while no
> longer trying to see through the bright area of the low beam, but lower
> in the fog aimed beam at the white center or side lines of the road.
> Note aiming: http://www.----------.com/TJFog.pdf
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> "Fred W." wrote:
> >
> > I think we will have to agree to disagee on this. I still do not see how
> > the light reflected from the headlight would be reduced in the least by
> > turning on another light source. The percentage of total broadcast light
> > would be less, but that is not what our eyes respond to. They are only
> > responsive to the absolute amount of light. WRT headlights being required
> > by law, I believe that this is just one of many instances where the motoring
> > laws in the US are antiquated or based on non-sense. Just like the
> > ****-poor regulations on what constitutes a legal (DOT) head light beam.
> >
> > >
> > > There is absolutely no logic in your assertion that fog lamps work best
> > when
> > > used alone.
> >
> > Let me try one more time. We agree that the light from the foglight will
> > not be reflected back into the eyes of the driver. Therefore the only light
> > the eye receives would be reflected from the objects the driver needs to
> > see. The iris of eye will adjust to the lower amplitude of light and allow
> > decent enough vision for very slow driving. OTOH, when headlights are used
> > simultaneously, even though the fogs still do the same job of illuminating
> > the road in front of the car, the reflected light from the headlights will
> > cause the iris to close down making the eye less sensitive to the stuff you
> > want to see. It is a signal to noise issue where the reflected light is the
> > noise.
> >
> > >
> > > As for using fog lamps in clear weather, have you thought that poeple
> > think
> > > they look cool, and don't give it a second thought that they can even see
> > at
> > > all? Most drivers are morons that would prefer to paint their nails or
> > watch
> > > TV while driving, do you think they give looking outside any more than a
> > > passing thought? No, they don't care if they can see, they only care that
> > > they LOOK good. Sheesh, Fred, I thought you knew that!
> >
> > Yeah, I did (do). I was just giving them the (undeserved) benefit of the
> > doubt. ;-)
> >
> > -Fred W

 

> "Fred W." wrote:
> >
> > Depends on what the definition of "is" is. What is a headlight? Does a
> > foglight or driving light qualify as a headlight?
> > In many states it does.

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40D34D10.E1D8F524@***.net...
> "In many states it does." You don't really believe that, do you?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>

Let's see what it says where I live:

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/...65/265-109.htm

Hmmm... Looks like you could drive with just auxillary lights on in New
Hampshire if you want to.

Perhaps I should have written: "In *some* states it does."

-Fred W