Hi Bill:

That California law is referring to "running lights." The question is, what
are "running lights?"

If they are parking lights, then yes you are correct. It is illegal in most
states that I know of to drive at night with JUST parking lights on and
without headlights.

In Ohio, there is no law that I am aware of that says you cannot drive with
fogs and parking lights on in heavy fog.

Tom

That California law
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Except here in California it is against the law to drive with the
> parking lights on: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc25109.htm
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>
> mabar wrote:
> >
> > That is just not correct. There is NO way that fogs can reduce or
eliminate
> > the reflected glare from low beam headlights. In really heavy fog, the
light
> > from low beam headlights is reflected right back into the driver's eyes,
> > regardless of whether or not the fogs are on or off.
> >
> > In really heavy fog, I slow down and use fog lights with the parking
lights
> > on - low beam headlights off.
> >
> > Tom

 

Headlight Use: Lights are required from sunset to sunrise:
http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/TraffRul.html
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mabar wrote:
>
> Hi Bill:
>
> That California law is referring to "running lights." The question is, what
> are "running lights?"
>
> If they are parking lights, then yes you are correct. It is illegal in most
> states that I know of to drive at night with JUST parking lights on and
> without headlights.
>
> In Ohio, there is no law that I am aware of that says you cannot drive with
> fogs and parking lights on in heavy fog.
>
> Tom

 

Headlight Use: Lights are required from sunset to sunrise:
http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/TraffRul.html
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mabar wrote:
>
> Hi Bill:
>
> That California law is referring to "running lights." The question is, what
> are "running lights?"
>
> If they are parking lights, then yes you are correct. It is illegal in most
> states that I know of to drive at night with JUST parking lights on and
> without headlights.
>
> In Ohio, there is no law that I am aware of that says you cannot drive with
> fogs and parking lights on in heavy fog.
>
> Tom

 

Headlight Use: Lights are required from sunset to sunrise:
http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/TraffRul.html
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mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

mabar wrote:
>
> Hi Bill:
>
> That California law is referring to "running lights." The question is, what
> are "running lights?"
>
> If they are parking lights, then yes you are correct. It is illegal in most
> states that I know of to drive at night with JUST parking lights on and
> without headlights.
>
> In Ohio, there is no law that I am aware of that says you cannot drive with
> fogs and parking lights on in heavy fog.
>
> Tom

 

Headlight Use: Lights are required from sunset to sunrise:
http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/TraffRul.html
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mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

mabar wrote:
>
> Hi Bill:
>
> That California law is referring to "running lights." The question is, what
> are "running lights?"
>
> If they are parking lights, then yes you are correct. It is illegal in most
> states that I know of to drive at night with JUST parking lights on and
> without headlights.
>
> In Ohio, there is no law that I am aware of that says you cannot drive with
> fogs and parking lights on in heavy fog.
>
> Tom

 

http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/TraffRul.html
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mabar wrote:
>
> That's not the law in Ohio.
>
> Tom

 

http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/TraffRul.html
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mabar wrote:
>
> That's not the law in Ohio.
>
> Tom

 

http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/TraffRul.html
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mabar wrote:
>
> That's not the law in Ohio.
>
> Tom

 

http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/TraffRul.html
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mabar wrote:
>
> That's not the law in Ohio.
>
> Tom

 

"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Properly adjusted fog lamps will reduce, if not completely eliminate,
glare
> from the low beams. If fog lamps worked better as a stand-alone lighting
> source, then they would not be REQUIRED to be used in conjunction with the
> low beams.

I think we will have to agree to disagee on this. I still do not see how
the light reflected from the headlight would be reduced in the least by
turning on another light source. The percentage of total broadcast light
would be less, but that is not what our eyes respond to. They are only
responsive to the absolute amount of light. WRT headlights being required
by law, I believe that this is just one of many instances where the motoring
laws in the US are antiquated or based on non-sense. Just like the
****-poor regulations on what constitutes a legal (DOT) head light beam.

>
> There is absolutely no logic in your assertion that fog lamps work best
when
> used alone.

Let me try one more time. We agree that the light from the foglight will
not be reflected back into the eyes of the driver. Therefore the only light
the eye receives would be reflected from the objects the driver needs to
see. The iris of eye will adjust to the lower amplitude of light and allow
decent enough vision for very slow driving. OTOH, when headlights are used
simultaneously, even though the fogs still do the same job of illuminating
the road in front of the car, the reflected light from the headlights will
cause the iris to close down making the eye less sensitive to the stuff you
want to see. It is a signal to noise issue where the reflected light is the
noise.

>
> As for using fog lamps in clear weather, have you thought that poeple
think
> they look cool, and don't give it a second thought that they can even see
at
> all? Most drivers are morons that would prefer to paint their nails or
watch
> TV while driving, do you think they give looking outside any more than a
> passing thought? No, they don't care if they can see, they only care that
> they LOOK good. Sheesh, Fred, I thought you knew that!

Yeah, I did (do). I was just giving them the (undeserved) benefit of the
doubt. ;-)

-Fred W