achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
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Re: achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
Will, seems like very good advice. I wonder if anyone else has done this mod? I searched and googled and came
up rather empty handed.
CP.
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-1E93hLQDbpvF@anon.none.net...
> I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a
> no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
> pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
> my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
> external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
> the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
> already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
> New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
> slave and you're in business.
>
> One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
> that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
> was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
> complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
> the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
>
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
> <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
> > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit
kit
> > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable
operation.
> >
> > CP.
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > > >
> > > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > > >
> > > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > > line???)
> > > >
> > > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > > about 10 minutes.
> > > >
> > > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > > labor to put it on.
> > > >
> > > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > > control?
> > > >
> > > > Capt. Purple
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
up rather empty handed.
CP.
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-1E93hLQDbpvF@anon.none.net...
> I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a
> no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
> pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
> my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
> external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
> the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
> already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
> New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
> slave and you're in business.
>
> One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
> that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
> was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
> complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
> the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
>
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
> <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
> > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit
kit
> > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable
operation.
> >
> > CP.
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > > >
> > > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > > >
> > > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > > line???)
> > > >
> > > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > > about 10 minutes.
> > > >
> > > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > > labor to put it on.
> > > >
> > > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > > control?
> > > >
> > > > Capt. Purple
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
#32
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Posts: n/a
Re: achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
Will, seems like very good advice. I wonder if anyone else has done this mod? I searched and googled and came
up rather empty handed.
CP.
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-1E93hLQDbpvF@anon.none.net...
> I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a
> no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
> pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
> my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
> external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
> the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
> already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
> New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
> slave and you're in business.
>
> One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
> that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
> was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
> complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
> the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
>
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
> <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
> > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit
kit
> > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable
operation.
> >
> > CP.
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > > >
> > > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > > >
> > > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > > line???)
> > > >
> > > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > > about 10 minutes.
> > > >
> > > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > > labor to put it on.
> > > >
> > > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > > control?
> > > >
> > > > Capt. Purple
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
up rather empty handed.
CP.
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-1E93hLQDbpvF@anon.none.net...
> I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a
> no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
> pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
> my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
> external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
> the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
> already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
> New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
> slave and you're in business.
>
> One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
> that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
> was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
> complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
> the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
>
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
> <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
> > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit
kit
> > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable
operation.
> >
> > CP.
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > > >
> > > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > > >
> > > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > > line???)
> > > >
> > > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > > about 10 minutes.
> > > >
> > > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > > labor to put it on.
> > > >
> > > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > > control?
> > > >
> > > > Capt. Purple
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
#33
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
Will, seems like very good advice. I wonder if anyone else has done this mod? I searched and googled and came
up rather empty handed.
CP.
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-1E93hLQDbpvF@anon.none.net...
> I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a
> no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
> pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
> my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
> external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
> the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
> already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
> New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
> slave and you're in business.
>
> One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
> that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
> was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
> complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
> the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
>
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
> <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
> > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit
kit
> > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable
operation.
> >
> > CP.
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > > >
> > > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > > >
> > > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > > line???)
> > > >
> > > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > > about 10 minutes.
> > > >
> > > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > > labor to put it on.
> > > >
> > > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > > control?
> > > >
> > > > Capt. Purple
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
up rather empty handed.
CP.
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-1E93hLQDbpvF@anon.none.net...
> I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a
> no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
> pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
> my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
> external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
> the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
> already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
> New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
> slave and you're in business.
>
> One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
> that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
> was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
> complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
> the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
>
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
> <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
> > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit
kit
> > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable
operation.
> >
> > CP.
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > > >
> > > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > > >
> > > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > > line???)
> > > >
> > > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > > about 10 minutes.
> > > >
> > > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > > labor to put it on.
> > > >
> > > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > > control?
> > > >
> > > > Capt. Purple
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
#34
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
There was a guy who did a write up and put it on his web site, but
unlike Bill I tend to lose things after a few years so I can't find
the URL. You might be able to dig it out by Googling the newgroups
back about 4-5 years. His writeup was more about doing the whole
transmission swap than than just the clutch. One thing I forgot about
was that I did have to tap the holes for the slave mount - they
weren't tapped deep enough for the slave bolts that replaced the
stupid dust cover/hose holder. I also had to modify the new master
was slightly off on the mounting holes and the bottom ear was about
1/16 too long, but that was because I was putting YJ parts into an MJ.
If you go to the boneyard for parts, look for a 94+ YJ and get the
whole bell housing and throwout assembly while you're at it. Also,
watch the size of the front bearing retainer that the throwout bearing
slides on. On my 88 I had to watch the parts I used closer than if I
had done it one something like yours since there were several minor
glitches because of the old BA 10/5 that it came with.
I just had to replace the external slave last summer - the one I
bought had a clip ring slot that was mis-cast and allowed the snap
ring to back off - and I think it took me under an hour, bleeding and
all.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:27:26 UTC "Captain Purple"
<someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Will, seems like very good advice. I wonder if anyone else has done this mod? I searched and googled and came
> up rather empty handed.
> CP.
>
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-1E93hLQDbpvF@anon.none.net...
> > I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a
> > no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
> > pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
> > my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
> > external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
> > the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
> > already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
> > New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
> > slave and you're in business.
> >
> > One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
> > that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
> > was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
> > complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
> > the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
> >
> > On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
> > <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit
> kit
> > > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable
> operation.
> > >
> > > CP.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > > > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > > > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > > > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> > > >
> > > > Earle
> > > >
> > > > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > > > >
> > > > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > > > >
> > > > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > > > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > > > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > > > line???)
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > > > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > > > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > > > about 10 minutes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > > > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > > > labor to put it on.
> > > > >
> > > > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > > > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > > > control?
> > > > >
> > > > > Capt. Purple
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>
--
Will Honea
unlike Bill I tend to lose things after a few years so I can't find
the URL. You might be able to dig it out by Googling the newgroups
back about 4-5 years. His writeup was more about doing the whole
transmission swap than than just the clutch. One thing I forgot about
was that I did have to tap the holes for the slave mount - they
weren't tapped deep enough for the slave bolts that replaced the
stupid dust cover/hose holder. I also had to modify the new master
was slightly off on the mounting holes and the bottom ear was about
1/16 too long, but that was because I was putting YJ parts into an MJ.
If you go to the boneyard for parts, look for a 94+ YJ and get the
whole bell housing and throwout assembly while you're at it. Also,
watch the size of the front bearing retainer that the throwout bearing
slides on. On my 88 I had to watch the parts I used closer than if I
had done it one something like yours since there were several minor
glitches because of the old BA 10/5 that it came with.
I just had to replace the external slave last summer - the one I
bought had a clip ring slot that was mis-cast and allowed the snap
ring to back off - and I think it took me under an hour, bleeding and
all.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:27:26 UTC "Captain Purple"
<someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Will, seems like very good advice. I wonder if anyone else has done this mod? I searched and googled and came
> up rather empty handed.
> CP.
>
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-1E93hLQDbpvF@anon.none.net...
> > I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a
> > no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
> > pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
> > my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
> > external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
> > the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
> > already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
> > New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
> > slave and you're in business.
> >
> > One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
> > that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
> > was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
> > complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
> > the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
> >
> > On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
> > <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit
> kit
> > > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable
> operation.
> > >
> > > CP.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > > > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > > > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > > > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> > > >
> > > > Earle
> > > >
> > > > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > > > >
> > > > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > > > >
> > > > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > > > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > > > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > > > line???)
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > > > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > > > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > > > about 10 minutes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > > > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > > > labor to put it on.
> > > > >
> > > > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > > > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > > > control?
> > > > >
> > > > > Capt. Purple
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>
--
Will Honea
#35
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
There was a guy who did a write up and put it on his web site, but
unlike Bill I tend to lose things after a few years so I can't find
the URL. You might be able to dig it out by Googling the newgroups
back about 4-5 years. His writeup was more about doing the whole
transmission swap than than just the clutch. One thing I forgot about
was that I did have to tap the holes for the slave mount - they
weren't tapped deep enough for the slave bolts that replaced the
stupid dust cover/hose holder. I also had to modify the new master
was slightly off on the mounting holes and the bottom ear was about
1/16 too long, but that was because I was putting YJ parts into an MJ.
If you go to the boneyard for parts, look for a 94+ YJ and get the
whole bell housing and throwout assembly while you're at it. Also,
watch the size of the front bearing retainer that the throwout bearing
slides on. On my 88 I had to watch the parts I used closer than if I
had done it one something like yours since there were several minor
glitches because of the old BA 10/5 that it came with.
I just had to replace the external slave last summer - the one I
bought had a clip ring slot that was mis-cast and allowed the snap
ring to back off - and I think it took me under an hour, bleeding and
all.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:27:26 UTC "Captain Purple"
<someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Will, seems like very good advice. I wonder if anyone else has done this mod? I searched and googled and came
> up rather empty handed.
> CP.
>
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-1E93hLQDbpvF@anon.none.net...
> > I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a
> > no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
> > pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
> > my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
> > external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
> > the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
> > already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
> > New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
> > slave and you're in business.
> >
> > One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
> > that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
> > was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
> > complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
> > the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
> >
> > On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
> > <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit
> kit
> > > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable
> operation.
> > >
> > > CP.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > > > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > > > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > > > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> > > >
> > > > Earle
> > > >
> > > > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > > > >
> > > > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > > > >
> > > > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > > > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > > > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > > > line???)
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > > > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > > > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > > > about 10 minutes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > > > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > > > labor to put it on.
> > > > >
> > > > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > > > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > > > control?
> > > > >
> > > > > Capt. Purple
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>
--
Will Honea
unlike Bill I tend to lose things after a few years so I can't find
the URL. You might be able to dig it out by Googling the newgroups
back about 4-5 years. His writeup was more about doing the whole
transmission swap than than just the clutch. One thing I forgot about
was that I did have to tap the holes for the slave mount - they
weren't tapped deep enough for the slave bolts that replaced the
stupid dust cover/hose holder. I also had to modify the new master
was slightly off on the mounting holes and the bottom ear was about
1/16 too long, but that was because I was putting YJ parts into an MJ.
If you go to the boneyard for parts, look for a 94+ YJ and get the
whole bell housing and throwout assembly while you're at it. Also,
watch the size of the front bearing retainer that the throwout bearing
slides on. On my 88 I had to watch the parts I used closer than if I
had done it one something like yours since there were several minor
glitches because of the old BA 10/5 that it came with.
I just had to replace the external slave last summer - the one I
bought had a clip ring slot that was mis-cast and allowed the snap
ring to back off - and I think it took me under an hour, bleeding and
all.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:27:26 UTC "Captain Purple"
<someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Will, seems like very good advice. I wonder if anyone else has done this mod? I searched and googled and came
> up rather empty handed.
> CP.
>
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-1E93hLQDbpvF@anon.none.net...
> > I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a
> > no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
> > pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
> > my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
> > external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
> > the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
> > already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
> > New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
> > slave and you're in business.
> >
> > One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
> > that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
> > was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
> > complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
> > the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
> >
> > On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
> > <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit
> kit
> > > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable
> operation.
> > >
> > > CP.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > > > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > > > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > > > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> > > >
> > > > Earle
> > > >
> > > > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > > > >
> > > > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > > > >
> > > > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > > > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > > > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > > > line???)
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > > > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > > > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > > > about 10 minutes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > > > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > > > labor to put it on.
> > > > >
> > > > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > > > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > > > control?
> > > > >
> > > > > Capt. Purple
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>
--
Will Honea
#36
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
There was a guy who did a write up and put it on his web site, but
unlike Bill I tend to lose things after a few years so I can't find
the URL. You might be able to dig it out by Googling the newgroups
back about 4-5 years. His writeup was more about doing the whole
transmission swap than than just the clutch. One thing I forgot about
was that I did have to tap the holes for the slave mount - they
weren't tapped deep enough for the slave bolts that replaced the
stupid dust cover/hose holder. I also had to modify the new master
was slightly off on the mounting holes and the bottom ear was about
1/16 too long, but that was because I was putting YJ parts into an MJ.
If you go to the boneyard for parts, look for a 94+ YJ and get the
whole bell housing and throwout assembly while you're at it. Also,
watch the size of the front bearing retainer that the throwout bearing
slides on. On my 88 I had to watch the parts I used closer than if I
had done it one something like yours since there were several minor
glitches because of the old BA 10/5 that it came with.
I just had to replace the external slave last summer - the one I
bought had a clip ring slot that was mis-cast and allowed the snap
ring to back off - and I think it took me under an hour, bleeding and
all.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:27:26 UTC "Captain Purple"
<someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Will, seems like very good advice. I wonder if anyone else has done this mod? I searched and googled and came
> up rather empty handed.
> CP.
>
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-1E93hLQDbpvF@anon.none.net...
> > I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a
> > no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
> > pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
> > my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
> > external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
> > the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
> > already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
> > New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
> > slave and you're in business.
> >
> > One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
> > that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
> > was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
> > complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
> > the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
> >
> > On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
> > <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit
> kit
> > > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable
> operation.
> > >
> > > CP.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > > > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > > > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > > > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> > > >
> > > > Earle
> > > >
> > > > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > > > >
> > > > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > > > >
> > > > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > > > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > > > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > > > line???)
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > > > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > > > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > > > about 10 minutes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > > > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > > > labor to put it on.
> > > > >
> > > > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > > > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > > > control?
> > > > >
> > > > > Capt. Purple
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>
--
Will Honea
unlike Bill I tend to lose things after a few years so I can't find
the URL. You might be able to dig it out by Googling the newgroups
back about 4-5 years. His writeup was more about doing the whole
transmission swap than than just the clutch. One thing I forgot about
was that I did have to tap the holes for the slave mount - they
weren't tapped deep enough for the slave bolts that replaced the
stupid dust cover/hose holder. I also had to modify the new master
was slightly off on the mounting holes and the bottom ear was about
1/16 too long, but that was because I was putting YJ parts into an MJ.
If you go to the boneyard for parts, look for a 94+ YJ and get the
whole bell housing and throwout assembly while you're at it. Also,
watch the size of the front bearing retainer that the throwout bearing
slides on. On my 88 I had to watch the parts I used closer than if I
had done it one something like yours since there were several minor
glitches because of the old BA 10/5 that it came with.
I just had to replace the external slave last summer - the one I
bought had a clip ring slot that was mis-cast and allowed the snap
ring to back off - and I think it took me under an hour, bleeding and
all.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:27:26 UTC "Captain Purple"
<someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Will, seems like very good advice. I wonder if anyone else has done this mod? I searched and googled and came
> up rather empty handed.
> CP.
>
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-1E93hLQDbpvF@anon.none.net...
> > I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a
> > no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
> > pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
> > my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
> > external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
> > the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
> > already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
> > New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
> > slave and you're in business.
> >
> > One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
> > that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
> > was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
> > complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
> > the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
> >
> > On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
> > <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit
> kit
> > > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable
> operation.
> > >
> > > CP.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > > > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > > > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > > > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> > > >
> > > > Earle
> > > >
> > > > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > > > >
> > > > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > > > >
> > > > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > > > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > > > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > > > line???)
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > > > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > > > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > > > about 10 minutes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > > > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > > > labor to put it on.
> > > > >
> > > > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > > > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > > > control?
> > > > >
> > > > > Capt. Purple
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>
--
Will Honea
#37
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
There was a guy who did a write up and put it on his web site, but
unlike Bill I tend to lose things after a few years so I can't find
the URL. You might be able to dig it out by Googling the newgroups
back about 4-5 years. His writeup was more about doing the whole
transmission swap than than just the clutch. One thing I forgot about
was that I did have to tap the holes for the slave mount - they
weren't tapped deep enough for the slave bolts that replaced the
stupid dust cover/hose holder. I also had to modify the new master
was slightly off on the mounting holes and the bottom ear was about
1/16 too long, but that was because I was putting YJ parts into an MJ.
If you go to the boneyard for parts, look for a 94+ YJ and get the
whole bell housing and throwout assembly while you're at it. Also,
watch the size of the front bearing retainer that the throwout bearing
slides on. On my 88 I had to watch the parts I used closer than if I
had done it one something like yours since there were several minor
glitches because of the old BA 10/5 that it came with.
I just had to replace the external slave last summer - the one I
bought had a clip ring slot that was mis-cast and allowed the snap
ring to back off - and I think it took me under an hour, bleeding and
all.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:27:26 UTC "Captain Purple"
<someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Will, seems like very good advice. I wonder if anyone else has done this mod? I searched and googled and came
> up rather empty handed.
> CP.
>
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-1E93hLQDbpvF@anon.none.net...
> > I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a
> > no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
> > pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
> > my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
> > external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
> > the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
> > already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
> > New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
> > slave and you're in business.
> >
> > One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
> > that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
> > was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
> > complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
> > the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
> >
> > On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
> > <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit
> kit
> > > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable
> operation.
> > >
> > > CP.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > > > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > > > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > > > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> > > >
> > > > Earle
> > > >
> > > > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > > > >
> > > > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > > > >
> > > > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > > > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > > > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > > > line???)
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > > > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > > > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > > > about 10 minutes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > > > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > > > labor to put it on.
> > > > >
> > > > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > > > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > > > control?
> > > > >
> > > > > Capt. Purple
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
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Will Honea
unlike Bill I tend to lose things after a few years so I can't find
the URL. You might be able to dig it out by Googling the newgroups
back about 4-5 years. His writeup was more about doing the whole
transmission swap than than just the clutch. One thing I forgot about
was that I did have to tap the holes for the slave mount - they
weren't tapped deep enough for the slave bolts that replaced the
stupid dust cover/hose holder. I also had to modify the new master
was slightly off on the mounting holes and the bottom ear was about
1/16 too long, but that was because I was putting YJ parts into an MJ.
If you go to the boneyard for parts, look for a 94+ YJ and get the
whole bell housing and throwout assembly while you're at it. Also,
watch the size of the front bearing retainer that the throwout bearing
slides on. On my 88 I had to watch the parts I used closer than if I
had done it one something like yours since there were several minor
glitches because of the old BA 10/5 that it came with.
I just had to replace the external slave last summer - the one I
bought had a clip ring slot that was mis-cast and allowed the snap
ring to back off - and I think it took me under an hour, bleeding and
all.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:27:26 UTC "Captain Purple"
<someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Will, seems like very good advice. I wonder if anyone else has done this mod? I searched and googled and came
> up rather empty handed.
> CP.
>
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-1E93hLQDbpvF@anon.none.net...
> > I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a
> > no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
> > pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
> > my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
> > external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
> > the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
> > already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
> > New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
> > slave and you're in business.
> >
> > One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
> > that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
> > was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
> > complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
> > the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
> >
> > On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
> > <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit
> kit
> > > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable
> operation.
> > >
> > > CP.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > > > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > > > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > > > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> > > >
> > > > Earle
> > > >
> > > > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > > > >
> > > > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > > > >
> > > > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > > > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > > > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > > > line???)
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > > > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > > > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > > > about 10 minutes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > > > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > > > labor to put it on.
> > > > >
> > > > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > > > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > > > control?
> > > > >
> > > > > Capt. Purple
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>
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Will Honea
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Re: achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
i have had the clutch problem in both my 89 4 cyc and my 92 I-6... i
learned the hardway to take it to a jeep speacialist because the local
shops are complete dumbasses when it comes to jeeps... had the 89 in
and outa the shop for around 2-3 months.. to find out to finaly fix the
problem they riged it so it would stop leaken long enough to get me
outta the shop and to stop coming back.
learned the hardway to take it to a jeep speacialist because the local
shops are complete dumbasses when it comes to jeeps... had the 89 in
and outa the shop for around 2-3 months.. to find out to finaly fix the
problem they riged it so it would stop leaken long enough to get me
outta the shop and to stop coming back.
#39
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Re: achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
i have had the clutch problem in both my 89 4 cyc and my 92 I-6... i
learned the hardway to take it to a jeep speacialist because the local
shops are complete dumbasses when it comes to jeeps... had the 89 in
and outa the shop for around 2-3 months.. to find out to finaly fix the
problem they riged it so it would stop leaken long enough to get me
outta the shop and to stop coming back.
learned the hardway to take it to a jeep speacialist because the local
shops are complete dumbasses when it comes to jeeps... had the 89 in
and outa the shop for around 2-3 months.. to find out to finaly fix the
problem they riged it so it would stop leaken long enough to get me
outta the shop and to stop coming back.
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
i have had the clutch problem in both my 89 4 cyc and my 92 I-6... i
learned the hardway to take it to a jeep speacialist because the local
shops are complete dumbasses when it comes to jeeps... had the 89 in
and outa the shop for around 2-3 months.. to find out to finaly fix the
problem they riged it so it would stop leaken long enough to get me
outta the shop and to stop coming back.
learned the hardway to take it to a jeep speacialist because the local
shops are complete dumbasses when it comes to jeeps... had the 89 in
and outa the shop for around 2-3 months.. to find out to finaly fix the
problem they riged it so it would stop leaken long enough to get me
outta the shop and to stop coming back.