achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
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Re: achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
Earl
Well that DOES make sense.
But back to asking everyone abbout their trials and tribulations with this mess. What does everyone do?
Surely I can't be the only doofus with a problem like this...?
CP
"Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:4416ea2d$0$22963$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.c om...
> Will Honea has actually done it (http://tinyurl.com/h2v33) so he would be
> the one to ask. But the "retrofit kit" you mention would be a bell housing,
> throwout bearing, slave cylinder and associated parts from a 1994 or 1995 YJ
> with the same engine as yours. (Same engine is very important.)
>
> For a cable operation you would still have to change the bell housing,
> throwout bearing and actuating lever, in order to gain mechanical access to
> the clutch. Since that is true, there wouldn't be much advantage to using a
> cable setup. At the truck dealership where I once worked, they fixed any
> clutch linkage problem by converting to a cable setup using Mack OEM parts.
> If you don't have ready access to the parts and some familiarity with them,
> then that is not really a viable option.
>
> Earle
>
> "Captain Purple" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:12a82$4416d728$186010f8$15927@KNOLOGY.NET...
> > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external
> slave cylinder to operate the
> > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the
> foresight to invent a retrofit kit
> > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing
> to for example a cable operation.
> >
> > CP.
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder
> for
> > > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > > >
> > > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > > >
> > > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad",
> and
> > > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic
> line
> > > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > > line???)
> > > >
> > > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always
> the
> > > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he
> put
> > > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > > about 10 minutes.
> > > >
> > > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1
> hr.
> > > labor to put it on.
> > > >
> > > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem?
> Doesn't
> > > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic
> clutch
> > > control?
> > > >
> > > > Capt. Purple
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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Well that DOES make sense.
But back to asking everyone abbout their trials and tribulations with this mess. What does everyone do?
Surely I can't be the only doofus with a problem like this...?
CP
"Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:4416ea2d$0$22963$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.c om...
> Will Honea has actually done it (http://tinyurl.com/h2v33) so he would be
> the one to ask. But the "retrofit kit" you mention would be a bell housing,
> throwout bearing, slave cylinder and associated parts from a 1994 or 1995 YJ
> with the same engine as yours. (Same engine is very important.)
>
> For a cable operation you would still have to change the bell housing,
> throwout bearing and actuating lever, in order to gain mechanical access to
> the clutch. Since that is true, there wouldn't be much advantage to using a
> cable setup. At the truck dealership where I once worked, they fixed any
> clutch linkage problem by converting to a cable setup using Mack OEM parts.
> If you don't have ready access to the parts and some familiarity with them,
> then that is not really a viable option.
>
> Earle
>
> "Captain Purple" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:12a82$4416d728$186010f8$15927@KNOLOGY.NET...
> > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external
> slave cylinder to operate the
> > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the
> foresight to invent a retrofit kit
> > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing
> to for example a cable operation.
> >
> > CP.
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder
> for
> > > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > > >
> > > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > > >
> > > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad",
> and
> > > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic
> line
> > > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > > line???)
> > > >
> > > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always
> the
> > > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he
> put
> > > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > > about 10 minutes.
> > > >
> > > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1
> hr.
> > > labor to put it on.
> > > >
> > > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem?
> Doesn't
> > > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic
> clutch
> > > control?
> > > >
> > > > Capt. Purple
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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#22
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Re: achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a
no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
slave and you're in business.
One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
<someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit kit
> or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable operation.
>
> CP.
>
>
> "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > >
> > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > >
> > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > line???)
> > >
> > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > about 10 minutes.
> > >
> > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > labor to put it on.
> > >
> > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > control?
> > >
> > > Capt. Purple
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
slave and you're in business.
One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
<someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit kit
> or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable operation.
>
> CP.
>
>
> "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > >
> > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > >
> > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > line???)
> > >
> > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > about 10 minutes.
> > >
> > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > labor to put it on.
> > >
> > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > control?
> > >
> > > Capt. Purple
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
#23
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Re: achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a
no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
slave and you're in business.
One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
<someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit kit
> or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable operation.
>
> CP.
>
>
> "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > >
> > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > >
> > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > line???)
> > >
> > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > about 10 minutes.
> > >
> > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > labor to put it on.
> > >
> > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > control?
> > >
> > > Capt. Purple
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
slave and you're in business.
One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
<someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit kit
> or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable operation.
>
> CP.
>
>
> "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > >
> > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > >
> > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > line???)
> > >
> > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > about 10 minutes.
> > >
> > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > labor to put it on.
> > >
> > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > control?
> > >
> > > Capt. Purple
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
#24
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Re: achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a
no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
slave and you're in business.
One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
<someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit kit
> or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable operation.
>
> CP.
>
>
> "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > >
> > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > >
> > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > line???)
> > >
> > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > about 10 minutes.
> > >
> > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > labor to put it on.
> > >
> > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > control?
> > >
> > > Capt. Purple
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
slave and you're in business.
One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
<someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit kit
> or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable operation.
>
> CP.
>
>
> "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > >
> > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > >
> > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > line???)
> > >
> > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > about 10 minutes.
> > >
> > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > labor to put it on.
> > >
> > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > control?
> > >
> > > Capt. Purple
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
#25
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Posts: n/a
Re: achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a
no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
slave and you're in business.
One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
<someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit kit
> or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable operation.
>
> CP.
>
>
> "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > >
> > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > >
> > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > line???)
> > >
> > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > about 10 minutes.
> > >
> > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > labor to put it on.
> > >
> > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > control?
> > >
> > > Capt. Purple
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
slave and you're in business.
One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
<someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit kit
> or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable operation.
>
> CP.
>
>
> "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > >
> > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > >
> > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > line???)
> > >
> > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > about 10 minutes.
> > >
> > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > labor to put it on.
> > >
> > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > control?
> > >
> > > Capt. Purple
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
#26
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
Can't say about the XJ, but I got my parts from a 94 YJ and the guy
who got me the parts said that was the changover year for them.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:29:15 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
> As Earl said, Jeep switched to an external slave (and I think it was '91
> not '94) Just get all the parts. The parts manuals are available on
> line, suppose someone could go look up the part numbers for you. Or just
> get a complete setup at the junkyard.
>
> Captain Purple wrote:
>
> > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit kit
> > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable operation.
> >
> > CP.
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> >
> >>Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> >>the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> >>cheaply at a recycling yard.
> >>
> >>Earle
> >>
> >>"Captain Purple" wrote in message
> >>
> >>>Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> >>>
> >>>93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> >>>
> >>>The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> >>
> >>then "leaks internally". Then the
> >>
> >>>(goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> >>
> >>with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> >>
> >>>line???)
> >>>
> >>>I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> >>
> >>same. Only this time I happened to be
> >>
> >>>near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> >>
> >>a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> >>
> >>>about 10 minutes.
> >>>
> >>>Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> >>
> >>Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> >>
> >>>to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> >>
> >>labor to put it on.
> >>
> >>>What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> >>
> >>anyone make a real cable replacement
> >>
> >>>for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> >>
> >>control?
> >>
> >>>Capt. Purple
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
--
Will Honea
who got me the parts said that was the changover year for them.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:29:15 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
> As Earl said, Jeep switched to an external slave (and I think it was '91
> not '94) Just get all the parts. The parts manuals are available on
> line, suppose someone could go look up the part numbers for you. Or just
> get a complete setup at the junkyard.
>
> Captain Purple wrote:
>
> > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit kit
> > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable operation.
> >
> > CP.
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> >
> >>Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> >>the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> >>cheaply at a recycling yard.
> >>
> >>Earle
> >>
> >>"Captain Purple" wrote in message
> >>
> >>>Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> >>>
> >>>93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> >>>
> >>>The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> >>
> >>then "leaks internally". Then the
> >>
> >>>(goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> >>
> >>with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> >>
> >>>line???)
> >>>
> >>>I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> >>
> >>same. Only this time I happened to be
> >>
> >>>near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> >>
> >>a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> >>
> >>>about 10 minutes.
> >>>
> >>>Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> >>
> >>Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> >>
> >>>to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> >>
> >>labor to put it on.
> >>
> >>>What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> >>
> >>anyone make a real cable replacement
> >>
> >>>for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> >>
> >>control?
> >>
> >>>Capt. Purple
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
--
Will Honea
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
Can't say about the XJ, but I got my parts from a 94 YJ and the guy
who got me the parts said that was the changover year for them.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:29:15 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
> As Earl said, Jeep switched to an external slave (and I think it was '91
> not '94) Just get all the parts. The parts manuals are available on
> line, suppose someone could go look up the part numbers for you. Or just
> get a complete setup at the junkyard.
>
> Captain Purple wrote:
>
> > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit kit
> > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable operation.
> >
> > CP.
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> >
> >>Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> >>the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> >>cheaply at a recycling yard.
> >>
> >>Earle
> >>
> >>"Captain Purple" wrote in message
> >>
> >>>Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> >>>
> >>>93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> >>>
> >>>The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> >>
> >>then "leaks internally". Then the
> >>
> >>>(goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> >>
> >>with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> >>
> >>>line???)
> >>>
> >>>I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> >>
> >>same. Only this time I happened to be
> >>
> >>>near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> >>
> >>a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> >>
> >>>about 10 minutes.
> >>>
> >>>Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> >>
> >>Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> >>
> >>>to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> >>
> >>labor to put it on.
> >>
> >>>What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> >>
> >>anyone make a real cable replacement
> >>
> >>>for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> >>
> >>control?
> >>
> >>>Capt. Purple
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
--
Will Honea
who got me the parts said that was the changover year for them.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:29:15 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
> As Earl said, Jeep switched to an external slave (and I think it was '91
> not '94) Just get all the parts. The parts manuals are available on
> line, suppose someone could go look up the part numbers for you. Or just
> get a complete setup at the junkyard.
>
> Captain Purple wrote:
>
> > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit kit
> > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable operation.
> >
> > CP.
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> >
> >>Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> >>the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> >>cheaply at a recycling yard.
> >>
> >>Earle
> >>
> >>"Captain Purple" wrote in message
> >>
> >>>Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> >>>
> >>>93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> >>>
> >>>The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> >>
> >>then "leaks internally". Then the
> >>
> >>>(goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> >>
> >>with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> >>
> >>>line???)
> >>>
> >>>I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> >>
> >>same. Only this time I happened to be
> >>
> >>>near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> >>
> >>a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> >>
> >>>about 10 minutes.
> >>>
> >>>Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> >>
> >>Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> >>
> >>>to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> >>
> >>labor to put it on.
> >>
> >>>What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> >>
> >>anyone make a real cable replacement
> >>
> >>>for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> >>
> >>control?
> >>
> >>>Capt. Purple
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
--
Will Honea
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
Can't say about the XJ, but I got my parts from a 94 YJ and the guy
who got me the parts said that was the changover year for them.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:29:15 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
> As Earl said, Jeep switched to an external slave (and I think it was '91
> not '94) Just get all the parts. The parts manuals are available on
> line, suppose someone could go look up the part numbers for you. Or just
> get a complete setup at the junkyard.
>
> Captain Purple wrote:
>
> > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit kit
> > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable operation.
> >
> > CP.
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> >
> >>Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> >>the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> >>cheaply at a recycling yard.
> >>
> >>Earle
> >>
> >>"Captain Purple" wrote in message
> >>
> >>>Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> >>>
> >>>93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> >>>
> >>>The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> >>
> >>then "leaks internally". Then the
> >>
> >>>(goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> >>
> >>with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> >>
> >>>line???)
> >>>
> >>>I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> >>
> >>same. Only this time I happened to be
> >>
> >>>near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> >>
> >>a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> >>
> >>>about 10 minutes.
> >>>
> >>>Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> >>
> >>Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> >>
> >>>to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> >>
> >>labor to put it on.
> >>
> >>>What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> >>
> >>anyone make a real cable replacement
> >>
> >>>for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> >>
> >>control?
> >>
> >>>Capt. Purple
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
--
Will Honea
who got me the parts said that was the changover year for them.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:29:15 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
> As Earl said, Jeep switched to an external slave (and I think it was '91
> not '94) Just get all the parts. The parts manuals are available on
> line, suppose someone could go look up the part numbers for you. Or just
> get a complete setup at the junkyard.
>
> Captain Purple wrote:
>
> > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit kit
> > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable operation.
> >
> > CP.
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> >
> >>Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> >>the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> >>cheaply at a recycling yard.
> >>
> >>Earle
> >>
> >>"Captain Purple" wrote in message
> >>
> >>>Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> >>>
> >>>93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> >>>
> >>>The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> >>
> >>then "leaks internally". Then the
> >>
> >>>(goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> >>
> >>with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> >>
> >>>line???)
> >>>
> >>>I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> >>
> >>same. Only this time I happened to be
> >>
> >>>near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> >>
> >>a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> >>
> >>>about 10 minutes.
> >>>
> >>>Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> >>
> >>Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> >>
> >>>to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> >>
> >>labor to put it on.
> >>
> >>>What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> >>
> >>anyone make a real cable replacement
> >>
> >>>for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> >>
> >>control?
> >>
> >>>Capt. Purple
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
--
Will Honea
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
Can't say about the XJ, but I got my parts from a 94 YJ and the guy
who got me the parts said that was the changover year for them.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:29:15 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
> As Earl said, Jeep switched to an external slave (and I think it was '91
> not '94) Just get all the parts. The parts manuals are available on
> line, suppose someone could go look up the part numbers for you. Or just
> get a complete setup at the junkyard.
>
> Captain Purple wrote:
>
> > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit kit
> > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable operation.
> >
> > CP.
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> >
> >>Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> >>the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> >>cheaply at a recycling yard.
> >>
> >>Earle
> >>
> >>"Captain Purple" wrote in message
> >>
> >>>Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> >>>
> >>>93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> >>>
> >>>The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> >>
> >>then "leaks internally". Then the
> >>
> >>>(goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> >>
> >>with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> >>
> >>>line???)
> >>>
> >>>I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> >>
> >>same. Only this time I happened to be
> >>
> >>>near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> >>
> >>a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> >>
> >>>about 10 minutes.
> >>>
> >>>Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> >>
> >>Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> >>
> >>>to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> >>
> >>labor to put it on.
> >>
> >>>What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> >>
> >>anyone make a real cable replacement
> >>
> >>>for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> >>
> >>control?
> >>
> >>>Capt. Purple
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
--
Will Honea
who got me the parts said that was the changover year for them.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:29:15 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
> As Earl said, Jeep switched to an external slave (and I think it was '91
> not '94) Just get all the parts. The parts manuals are available on
> line, suppose someone could go look up the part numbers for you. Or just
> get a complete setup at the junkyard.
>
> Captain Purple wrote:
>
> > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit kit
> > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable operation.
> >
> > CP.
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> >
> >>Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> >>the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> >>cheaply at a recycling yard.
> >>
> >>Earle
> >>
> >>"Captain Purple" wrote in message
> >>
> >>>Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> >>>
> >>>93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> >>>
> >>>The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> >>
> >>then "leaks internally". Then the
> >>
> >>>(goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> >>
> >>with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> >>
> >>>line???)
> >>>
> >>>I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> >>
> >>same. Only this time I happened to be
> >>
> >>>near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> >>
> >>a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> >>
> >>>about 10 minutes.
> >>>
> >>>Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> >>
> >>Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> >>
> >>>to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> >>
> >>labor to put it on.
> >>
> >>>What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> >>
> >>anyone make a real cable replacement
> >>
> >>>for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> >>
> >>control?
> >>
> >>>Capt. Purple
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
--
Will Honea
#30
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...
Will, seems like very good advice. I wonder if anyone else has done this mod? I searched and googled and came
up rather empty handed.
CP.
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-1E93hLQDbpvF@anon.none.net...
> I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a
> no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
> pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
> my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
> external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
> the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
> already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
> New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
> slave and you're in business.
>
> One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
> that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
> was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
> complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
> the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
>
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
> <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
> > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit
kit
> > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable
operation.
> >
> > CP.
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > > >
> > > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > > >
> > > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > > line???)
> > > >
> > > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > > about 10 minutes.
> > > >
> > > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > > labor to put it on.
> > > >
> > > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > > control?
> > > >
> > > > Capt. Purple
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
up rather empty handed.
CP.
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-1E93hLQDbpvF@anon.none.net...
> I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a
> no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to
> pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even
> my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the
> external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since
> the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you
> already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go.
> New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external
> slave and you're in business.
>
> One thing I did have a problem with about a year after the swap was
> that the master started the "internal leak" crap. I pulled it and it
> was full of residue from the old system - I hadn't thought to do a
> complete flush when I was putting everything back together. Cleaned
> the whole thing on the bench and it's held for 5 years now.
>
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:45:19 UTC "Captain Purple"
> <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
> > Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the
> > internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit
kit
> > or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable
operation.
> >
> > CP.
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" wrote in message :
> > > Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for
> > > the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly
> > > cheaply at a recycling yard.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Captain Purple" wrote in message
> > > > Well here we go for about the 5th time.
> > > >
> > > > 93 Wrangler 4 cyl.
> > > >
> > > > The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and
> > > then "leaks internally". Then the
> > > > (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line
> > > with quick disconnects on a hydraulic
> > > > line???)
> > > >
> > > > I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the
> > > same. Only this time I happened to be
> > > > near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put
> > > a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,
> > > > about 10 minutes.
> > > >
> > > > Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master
> > > Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted
> > > > to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr.
> > > labor to put it on.
> > > >
> > > > What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't
> > > anyone make a real cable replacement
> > > > for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch
> > > control?
> > > >
> > > > Capt. Purple
> > > >
> > > >
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> --
> Will Honea