98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
10-25-2005, 03:12 AM
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Re: 98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
Make sure you get all new hoses (radiator and heater) also.
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"Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> That is about exactly what came out of my engine cooling system, brown
> soup. I'd be interested in the letter you have from DC. The repair is
> being done by the dealer now, so I'm sure it's Mopar antifreeze going
> in. To bad the bastards are raking me for $1300. I'll post the
> itemized bill later but the work I know they are doing is:
>
> Replace water pump
> Replace head and block freeze plugs
> Replace radiator
>
> Hopefully nothing else has been rotted out by the quick-lube cooling
> system service I had 2 years ago.
>
>
> -Jim
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>> The girl that has my WJ before had her coolant topped off at her local
>> quickie-lube.
>>
>> I could not believe the c*ap that came out when I back flushed the
>> system.
>> The fluid was basically a brownish pre-sludge.
>>
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>> > Interesting. All I know is that it was green, I know some newer
>> > forumlations are orange or red? The last flush and fill was done at a
>> > local mechanic.
>> >
>> >
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"Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> That is about exactly what came out of my engine cooling system, brown
> soup. I'd be interested in the letter you have from DC. The repair is
> being done by the dealer now, so I'm sure it's Mopar antifreeze going
> in. To bad the bastards are raking me for $1300. I'll post the
> itemized bill later but the work I know they are doing is:
>
> Replace water pump
> Replace head and block freeze plugs
> Replace radiator
>
> Hopefully nothing else has been rotted out by the quick-lube cooling
> system service I had 2 years ago.
>
>
> -Jim
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>> The girl that has my WJ before had her coolant topped off at her local
>> quickie-lube.
>>
>> I could not believe the c*ap that came out when I back flushed the
>> system.
>> The fluid was basically a brownish pre-sludge.
>>
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>> "Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1130180079.478806.40130@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>> > Interesting. All I know is that it was green, I know some newer
>> > forumlations are orange or red? The last flush and fill was done at a
>> > local mechanic.
>> >
>> >
>
10-25-2005, 03:12 AM
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Re: 98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
Make sure you get all new hoses (radiator and heater) also.
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"Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> That is about exactly what came out of my engine cooling system, brown
> soup. I'd be interested in the letter you have from DC. The repair is
> being done by the dealer now, so I'm sure it's Mopar antifreeze going
> in. To bad the bastards are raking me for $1300. I'll post the
> itemized bill later but the work I know they are doing is:
>
> Replace water pump
> Replace head and block freeze plugs
> Replace radiator
>
> Hopefully nothing else has been rotted out by the quick-lube cooling
> system service I had 2 years ago.
>
>
> -Jim
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>> The girl that has my WJ before had her coolant topped off at her local
>> quickie-lube.
>>
>> I could not believe the c*ap that came out when I back flushed the
>> system.
>> The fluid was basically a brownish pre-sludge.
>>
>> --
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
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>> "Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1130180079.478806.40130@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>> > Interesting. All I know is that it was green, I know some newer
>> > forumlations are orange or red? The last flush and fill was done at a
>> > local mechanic.
>> >
>> >
>
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"Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> That is about exactly what came out of my engine cooling system, brown
> soup. I'd be interested in the letter you have from DC. The repair is
> being done by the dealer now, so I'm sure it's Mopar antifreeze going
> in. To bad the bastards are raking me for $1300. I'll post the
> itemized bill later but the work I know they are doing is:
>
> Replace water pump
> Replace head and block freeze plugs
> Replace radiator
>
> Hopefully nothing else has been rotted out by the quick-lube cooling
> system service I had 2 years ago.
>
>
> -Jim
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>> The girl that has my WJ before had her coolant topped off at her local
>> quickie-lube.
>>
>> I could not believe the c*ap that came out when I back flushed the
>> system.
>> The fluid was basically a brownish pre-sludge.
>>
>> --
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>> "Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1130180079.478806.40130@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>> > Interesting. All I know is that it was green, I know some newer
>> > forumlations are orange or red? The last flush and fill was done at a
>> > local mechanic.
>> >
>> >
>
10-25-2005, 03:16 AM
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Re: 98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
I thought I had saved the link to a site with DexCool damage pix but I
cannot find it.
It is good to hear they are finally fixing the problem but I am sure the fix
will be 'new and improved" not ... "sorry we made a defective product and
lied about the damage we knew it was causing for 10 years."
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"Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Here's an interesting article about different types of coolant. It's
> becoming more apparent that using manufacturer specific coolant is more
> important that I thought.
>
> http://www.macsw.org/pdf/200410MS.pdf
>
cannot find it.
It is good to hear they are finally fixing the problem but I am sure the fix
will be 'new and improved" not ... "sorry we made a defective product and
lied about the damage we knew it was causing for 10 years."
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"Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Here's an interesting article about different types of coolant. It's
> becoming more apparent that using manufacturer specific coolant is more
> important that I thought.
>
> http://www.macsw.org/pdf/200410MS.pdf
>
10-25-2005, 03:16 AM
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Re: 98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
I thought I had saved the link to a site with DexCool damage pix but I
cannot find it.
It is good to hear they are finally fixing the problem but I am sure the fix
will be 'new and improved" not ... "sorry we made a defective product and
lied about the damage we knew it was causing for 10 years."
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"Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Here's an interesting article about different types of coolant. It's
> becoming more apparent that using manufacturer specific coolant is more
> important that I thought.
>
> http://www.macsw.org/pdf/200410MS.pdf
>
cannot find it.
It is good to hear they are finally fixing the problem but I am sure the fix
will be 'new and improved" not ... "sorry we made a defective product and
lied about the damage we knew it was causing for 10 years."
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"Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Here's an interesting article about different types of coolant. It's
> becoming more apparent that using manufacturer specific coolant is more
> important that I thought.
>
> http://www.macsw.org/pdf/200410MS.pdf
>
10-25-2005, 03:16 AM
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Re: 98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
I thought I had saved the link to a site with DexCool damage pix but I
cannot find it.
It is good to hear they are finally fixing the problem but I am sure the fix
will be 'new and improved" not ... "sorry we made a defective product and
lied about the damage we knew it was causing for 10 years."
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"Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1130196362.889166.170180@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Here's an interesting article about different types of coolant. It's
> becoming more apparent that using manufacturer specific coolant is more
> important that I thought.
>
> http://www.macsw.org/pdf/200410MS.pdf
>
cannot find it.
It is good to hear they are finally fixing the problem but I am sure the fix
will be 'new and improved" not ... "sorry we made a defective product and
lied about the damage we knew it was causing for 10 years."
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"Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Here's an interesting article about different types of coolant. It's
> becoming more apparent that using manufacturer specific coolant is more
> important that I thought.
>
> http://www.macsw.org/pdf/200410MS.pdf
>
10-25-2005, 03:20 AM
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Re: 98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
Most still use ethylene glycol as the base, the differences are in the
additives.
DexCool was designed by Texaco for GM to eat away and clog everything in the
cooling system. That way they sell more replacement parts and the
dealerships make profits off repair labor. To GM that is a win-win
scenario.
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> There was no mention of ethylene glycol which kills animals, are
> you a member of the screaming Greenies?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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>
> Mood wrote:
>>
>> Here's an interesting article about different types of coolant. It's
>> becoming more apparent that using manufacturer specific coolant is more
>> important that I thought.
>>
>> http://www.macsw.org/pdf/200410MS.pdf
additives.
DexCool was designed by Texaco for GM to eat away and clog everything in the
cooling system. That way they sell more replacement parts and the
dealerships make profits off repair labor. To GM that is a win-win
scenario.
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> There was no mention of ethylene glycol which kills animals, are
> you a member of the screaming Greenies?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mood wrote:
>>
>> Here's an interesting article about different types of coolant. It's
>> becoming more apparent that using manufacturer specific coolant is more
>> important that I thought.
>>
>> http://www.macsw.org/pdf/200410MS.pdf
10-25-2005, 03:20 AM
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Re: 98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
Most still use ethylene glycol as the base, the differences are in the
additives.
DexCool was designed by Texaco for GM to eat away and clog everything in the
cooling system. That way they sell more replacement parts and the
dealerships make profits off repair labor. To GM that is a win-win
scenario.
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> There was no mention of ethylene glycol which kills animals, are
> you a member of the screaming Greenies?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mood wrote:
>>
>> Here's an interesting article about different types of coolant. It's
>> becoming more apparent that using manufacturer specific coolant is more
>> important that I thought.
>>
>> http://www.macsw.org/pdf/200410MS.pdf
additives.
DexCool was designed by Texaco for GM to eat away and clog everything in the
cooling system. That way they sell more replacement parts and the
dealerships make profits off repair labor. To GM that is a win-win
scenario.
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> There was no mention of ethylene glycol which kills animals, are
> you a member of the screaming Greenies?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mood wrote:
>>
>> Here's an interesting article about different types of coolant. It's
>> becoming more apparent that using manufacturer specific coolant is more
>> important that I thought.
>>
>> http://www.macsw.org/pdf/200410MS.pdf
10-25-2005, 03:20 AM
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Re: 98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
Most still use ethylene glycol as the base, the differences are in the
additives.
DexCool was designed by Texaco for GM to eat away and clog everything in the
cooling system. That way they sell more replacement parts and the
dealerships make profits off repair labor. To GM that is a win-win
scenario.
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> There was no mention of ethylene glycol which kills animals, are
> you a member of the screaming Greenies?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mood wrote:
>>
>> Here's an interesting article about different types of coolant. It's
>> becoming more apparent that using manufacturer specific coolant is more
>> important that I thought.
>>
>> http://www.macsw.org/pdf/200410MS.pdf
additives.
DexCool was designed by Texaco for GM to eat away and clog everything in the
cooling system. That way they sell more replacement parts and the
dealerships make profits off repair labor. To GM that is a win-win
scenario.
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> There was no mention of ethylene glycol which kills animals, are
> you a member of the screaming Greenies?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mood wrote:
>>
>> Here's an interesting article about different types of coolant. It's
>> becoming more apparent that using manufacturer specific coolant is more
>> important that I thought.
>>
>> http://www.macsw.org/pdf/200410MS.pdf
10-25-2005, 03:22 AM
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Re: 98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
They (GM) has known about the problems for almost 10 years now the lawsuits
are alleging.
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"Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Yeah, Greenies, as in I like my coolant to drain out GREEN, not brown
> soup :) I don't think the issue is with the anti-freezing agent, but
> with the anti-corrosion additives and according to the article Prestone
> is changing their formula. I take issue with a product that is marketed
> as a universal coolant replacement that functions as much less than
> that.
>
> I agree I'm a dunce for not checking the condition of the coolant
> sooner. I sure didn't expect coolant that went in bright green to come
> out two years later like brown sludge with my engine block dissolved it
> it. According to the service shop manager I spoke to today, there was
> hardly a hint of green left in it.
>
are alleging.
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"Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Yeah, Greenies, as in I like my coolant to drain out GREEN, not brown
> soup :) I don't think the issue is with the anti-freezing agent, but
> with the anti-corrosion additives and according to the article Prestone
> is changing their formula. I take issue with a product that is marketed
> as a universal coolant replacement that functions as much less than
> that.
>
> I agree I'm a dunce for not checking the condition of the coolant
> sooner. I sure didn't expect coolant that went in bright green to come
> out two years later like brown sludge with my engine block dissolved it
> it. According to the service shop manager I spoke to today, there was
> hardly a hint of green left in it.
>
10-25-2005, 03:22 AM
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Re: 98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
They (GM) has known about the problems for almost 10 years now the lawsuits
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"Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Yeah, Greenies, as in I like my coolant to drain out GREEN, not brown
> soup :) I don't think the issue is with the anti-freezing agent, but
> with the anti-corrosion additives and according to the article Prestone
> is changing their formula. I take issue with a product that is marketed
> as a universal coolant replacement that functions as much less than
> that.
>
> I agree I'm a dunce for not checking the condition of the coolant
> sooner. I sure didn't expect coolant that went in bright green to come
> out two years later like brown sludge with my engine block dissolved it
> it. According to the service shop manager I spoke to today, there was
> hardly a hint of green left in it.
>
are alleging.
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"Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Yeah, Greenies, as in I like my coolant to drain out GREEN, not brown
> soup :) I don't think the issue is with the anti-freezing agent, but
> with the anti-corrosion additives and according to the article Prestone
> is changing their formula. I take issue with a product that is marketed
> as a universal coolant replacement that functions as much less than
> that.
>
> I agree I'm a dunce for not checking the condition of the coolant
> sooner. I sure didn't expect coolant that went in bright green to come
> out two years later like brown sludge with my engine block dissolved it
> it. According to the service shop manager I spoke to today, there was
> hardly a hint of green left in it.
>