98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
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The "non-toxic" stuff that sells under the brand name Sierra is made with
propylene glycol instead of ethylene glycol..
http://www.sierraantifreeze.com/
It should be mentioned that Sierra not "non-toxic" as the advertising
implies.....just less toxic. That is the same rouse that the Sierra Club
uses, they conceal their true purpose as environmental terrorists with the
occasional sponsorship of trash removal from a city parks.
Sierra is also less effective as a coolant and while they claim that GM says
it won't void the vehicle warranty it DOES NOT meet DC specs for newer cars.
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Ethylene glycol is the poison the screaming Greenies want remove
> from our environment.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Most still use ethylene glycol as the base, the differences are in the
>> additives.
>>
>> DexCool was designed by Texaco for GM to eat away and clog everything in
>> the
>> cooling system. That way they sell more replacement parts and the
>> dealerships make profits off repair labor. To GM that is a win-win
>> scenario.
>>
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propylene glycol instead of ethylene glycol..
http://www.sierraantifreeze.com/
It should be mentioned that Sierra not "non-toxic" as the advertising
implies.....just less toxic. That is the same rouse that the Sierra Club
uses, they conceal their true purpose as environmental terrorists with the
occasional sponsorship of trash removal from a city parks.
Sierra is also less effective as a coolant and while they claim that GM says
it won't void the vehicle warranty it DOES NOT meet DC specs for newer cars.
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Ethylene glycol is the poison the screaming Greenies want remove
> from our environment.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Most still use ethylene glycol as the base, the differences are in the
>> additives.
>>
>> DexCool was designed by Texaco for GM to eat away and clog everything in
>> the
>> cooling system. That way they sell more replacement parts and the
>> dealerships make profits off repair labor. To GM that is a win-win
>> scenario.
>>
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The "non-toxic" stuff that sells under the brand name Sierra is made with
propylene glycol instead of ethylene glycol..
http://www.sierraantifreeze.com/
It should be mentioned that Sierra not "non-toxic" as the advertising
implies.....just less toxic. That is the same rouse that the Sierra Club
uses, they conceal their true purpose as environmental terrorists with the
occasional sponsorship of trash removal from a city parks.
Sierra is also less effective as a coolant and while they claim that GM says
it won't void the vehicle warranty it DOES NOT meet DC specs for newer cars.
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Ethylene glycol is the poison the screaming Greenies want remove
> from our environment.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Most still use ethylene glycol as the base, the differences are in the
>> additives.
>>
>> DexCool was designed by Texaco for GM to eat away and clog everything in
>> the
>> cooling system. That way they sell more replacement parts and the
>> dealerships make profits off repair labor. To GM that is a win-win
>> scenario.
>>
>> --
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
propylene glycol instead of ethylene glycol..
http://www.sierraantifreeze.com/
It should be mentioned that Sierra not "non-toxic" as the advertising
implies.....just less toxic. That is the same rouse that the Sierra Club
uses, they conceal their true purpose as environmental terrorists with the
occasional sponsorship of trash removal from a city parks.
Sierra is also less effective as a coolant and while they claim that GM says
it won't void the vehicle warranty it DOES NOT meet DC specs for newer cars.
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Ethylene glycol is the poison the screaming Greenies want remove
> from our environment.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Most still use ethylene glycol as the base, the differences are in the
>> additives.
>>
>> DexCool was designed by Texaco for GM to eat away and clog everything in
>> the
>> cooling system. That way they sell more replacement parts and the
>> dealerships make profits off repair labor. To GM that is a win-win
>> scenario.
>>
>> --
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>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
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The "non-toxic" stuff that sells under the brand name Sierra is made with
propylene glycol instead of ethylene glycol..
http://www.sierraantifreeze.com/
It should be mentioned that Sierra not "non-toxic" as the advertising
implies.....just less toxic. That is the same rouse that the Sierra Club
uses, they conceal their true purpose as environmental terrorists with the
occasional sponsorship of trash removal from a city parks.
Sierra is also less effective as a coolant and while they claim that GM says
it won't void the vehicle warranty it DOES NOT meet DC specs for newer cars.
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Ethylene glycol is the poison the screaming Greenies want remove
> from our environment.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Most still use ethylene glycol as the base, the differences are in the
>> additives.
>>
>> DexCool was designed by Texaco for GM to eat away and clog everything in
>> the
>> cooling system. That way they sell more replacement parts and the
>> dealerships make profits off repair labor. To GM that is a win-win
>> scenario.
>>
>> --
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
propylene glycol instead of ethylene glycol..
http://www.sierraantifreeze.com/
It should be mentioned that Sierra not "non-toxic" as the advertising
implies.....just less toxic. That is the same rouse that the Sierra Club
uses, they conceal their true purpose as environmental terrorists with the
occasional sponsorship of trash removal from a city parks.
Sierra is also less effective as a coolant and while they claim that GM says
it won't void the vehicle warranty it DOES NOT meet DC specs for newer cars.
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Ethylene glycol is the poison the screaming Greenies want remove
> from our environment.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Most still use ethylene glycol as the base, the differences are in the
>> additives.
>>
>> DexCool was designed by Texaco for GM to eat away and clog everything in
>> the
>> cooling system. That way they sell more replacement parts and the
>> dealerships make profits off repair labor. To GM that is a win-win
>> scenario.
>>
>> --
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>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
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Despite what the manufacturer of Peak and Sierra Antifreezes say (same
company) no product made by them meets the current DC spec and their
chemically composition contains what DC specifically warns against using.
(OAT additives)
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"Jo Bo" <jromasSPAM@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I've read everything posted so far. I found this
> http://www.peakantifreeze.com/referencechart.html and it shows Chrysler
> vehicles 2001 and older and 2002 and newer. Where does that leave our
> jeeps?
>
> JoBo
>
> "Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1130175889.477248.307730@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
>> My 98 TJ SE developed a bad coolant leak out a freeze plug in the head.
>> When I pulled over to investigate, an awful brown liquid was steaming
>> out of the block, I thought it was the head gasket. It was towed to the
>> dealer Saturday, now I'm being told the coolant is bad and the freeze
>> plugs and radiator are rotted and leaking. In addition, the water pump
>> bearings are shot. I don't disagree with the diagnosis at all, but I'm
>> quite puzzled.
>>
>> This Jeep had a flush and coolant change about 2 years ago in the fall.
>> I can't understand what in the hell ruined the coolant so fast? I know
>> it's about due for another flush, but this situation seems really bad
>> considering the amount of corrosion, any ideas?
>>
>
>
company) no product made by them meets the current DC spec and their
chemically composition contains what DC specifically warns against using.
(OAT additives)
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"Jo Bo" <jromasSPAM@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:9px7f.70636$Hs.15405@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. .
> I've read everything posted so far. I found this
> http://www.peakantifreeze.com/referencechart.html and it shows Chrysler
> vehicles 2001 and older and 2002 and newer. Where does that leave our
> jeeps?
>
> JoBo
>
> "Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1130175889.477248.307730@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
>> My 98 TJ SE developed a bad coolant leak out a freeze plug in the head.
>> When I pulled over to investigate, an awful brown liquid was steaming
>> out of the block, I thought it was the head gasket. It was towed to the
>> dealer Saturday, now I'm being told the coolant is bad and the freeze
>> plugs and radiator are rotted and leaking. In addition, the water pump
>> bearings are shot. I don't disagree with the diagnosis at all, but I'm
>> quite puzzled.
>>
>> This Jeep had a flush and coolant change about 2 years ago in the fall.
>> I can't understand what in the hell ruined the coolant so fast? I know
>> it's about due for another flush, but this situation seems really bad
>> considering the amount of corrosion, any ideas?
>>
>
>
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Despite what the manufacturer of Peak and Sierra Antifreezes say (same
company) no product made by them meets the current DC spec and their
chemically composition contains what DC specifically warns against using.
(OAT additives)
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"Jo Bo" <jromasSPAM@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:9px7f.70636$Hs.15405@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. .
> I've read everything posted so far. I found this
> http://www.peakantifreeze.com/referencechart.html and it shows Chrysler
> vehicles 2001 and older and 2002 and newer. Where does that leave our
> jeeps?
>
> JoBo
>
> "Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1130175889.477248.307730@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
>> My 98 TJ SE developed a bad coolant leak out a freeze plug in the head.
>> When I pulled over to investigate, an awful brown liquid was steaming
>> out of the block, I thought it was the head gasket. It was towed to the
>> dealer Saturday, now I'm being told the coolant is bad and the freeze
>> plugs and radiator are rotted and leaking. In addition, the water pump
>> bearings are shot. I don't disagree with the diagnosis at all, but I'm
>> quite puzzled.
>>
>> This Jeep had a flush and coolant change about 2 years ago in the fall.
>> I can't understand what in the hell ruined the coolant so fast? I know
>> it's about due for another flush, but this situation seems really bad
>> considering the amount of corrosion, any ideas?
>>
>
>
company) no product made by them meets the current DC spec and their
chemically composition contains what DC specifically warns against using.
(OAT additives)
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"Jo Bo" <jromasSPAM@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:9px7f.70636$Hs.15405@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. .
> I've read everything posted so far. I found this
> http://www.peakantifreeze.com/referencechart.html and it shows Chrysler
> vehicles 2001 and older and 2002 and newer. Where does that leave our
> jeeps?
>
> JoBo
>
> "Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1130175889.477248.307730@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
>> My 98 TJ SE developed a bad coolant leak out a freeze plug in the head.
>> When I pulled over to investigate, an awful brown liquid was steaming
>> out of the block, I thought it was the head gasket. It was towed to the
>> dealer Saturday, now I'm being told the coolant is bad and the freeze
>> plugs and radiator are rotted and leaking. In addition, the water pump
>> bearings are shot. I don't disagree with the diagnosis at all, but I'm
>> quite puzzled.
>>
>> This Jeep had a flush and coolant change about 2 years ago in the fall.
>> I can't understand what in the hell ruined the coolant so fast? I know
>> it's about due for another flush, but this situation seems really bad
>> considering the amount of corrosion, any ideas?
>>
>
>
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Despite what the manufacturer of Peak and Sierra Antifreezes say (same
company) no product made by them meets the current DC spec and their
chemically composition contains what DC specifically warns against using.
(OAT additives)
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"Jo Bo" <jromasSPAM@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:9px7f.70636$Hs.15405@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. .
> I've read everything posted so far. I found this
> http://www.peakantifreeze.com/referencechart.html and it shows Chrysler
> vehicles 2001 and older and 2002 and newer. Where does that leave our
> jeeps?
>
> JoBo
>
> "Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1130175889.477248.307730@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
>> My 98 TJ SE developed a bad coolant leak out a freeze plug in the head.
>> When I pulled over to investigate, an awful brown liquid was steaming
>> out of the block, I thought it was the head gasket. It was towed to the
>> dealer Saturday, now I'm being told the coolant is bad and the freeze
>> plugs and radiator are rotted and leaking. In addition, the water pump
>> bearings are shot. I don't disagree with the diagnosis at all, but I'm
>> quite puzzled.
>>
>> This Jeep had a flush and coolant change about 2 years ago in the fall.
>> I can't understand what in the hell ruined the coolant so fast? I know
>> it's about due for another flush, but this situation seems really bad
>> considering the amount of corrosion, any ideas?
>>
>
>
company) no product made by them meets the current DC spec and their
chemically composition contains what DC specifically warns against using.
(OAT additives)
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"Jo Bo" <jromasSPAM@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:9px7f.70636$Hs.15405@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. .
> I've read everything posted so far. I found this
> http://www.peakantifreeze.com/referencechart.html and it shows Chrysler
> vehicles 2001 and older and 2002 and newer. Where does that leave our
> jeeps?
>
> JoBo
>
> "Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1130175889.477248.307730@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
>> My 98 TJ SE developed a bad coolant leak out a freeze plug in the head.
>> When I pulled over to investigate, an awful brown liquid was steaming
>> out of the block, I thought it was the head gasket. It was towed to the
>> dealer Saturday, now I'm being told the coolant is bad and the freeze
>> plugs and radiator are rotted and leaking. In addition, the water pump
>> bearings are shot. I don't disagree with the diagnosis at all, but I'm
>> quite puzzled.
>>
>> This Jeep had a flush and coolant change about 2 years ago in the fall.
>> I can't understand what in the hell ruined the coolant so fast? I know
>> it's about due for another flush, but this situation seems really bad
>> considering the amount of corrosion, any ideas?
>>
>
>
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The anti-corrosion components is what gets used up. You probably added a
radiator additive on a scheduled basis to your class 8's to supplement what
was used up..
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Hi Earle,
> Thanks for finding they had switch the formulas over what my last
> yellow had: http://www.----------.com/temp/prestone.jpg I will double
> check for the Real coolant with ethylene glycol is in. I have forgot why
> the coolant will breaks down, but it does just like the transmission
> oil, maybe heat cycling.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Hmm. The last time I bought coolant was in 1999, when I charged the
>> heating system in my house. I had two cases of no-name Walmart green
>> antifreeze left over, and this has served me since then. I do not
>> change or flush coolant. I never have, unless there was an obvious
>> reason for it, like conspicuous lime deposits in the visible radiator
>> tubes, or a leak. All of the leaks that I have serviced in this time
>> have been from known, explicable causes, like a pebble in the radiator
>> for example. I have always used a 50/50 mix of distilled or known
>> clean, soft tap water, and ethylene glycol antifreeze. The coolant in
>> my Jeep is still the same color and consistency as when it was new. It
>> is ten years old. I knew a guy in 1976 with a 1952 GMC wrecker, that
>> he claimed had the original factory antifreeze in it.
>>
>> I gather from this thread that when my case of no-name Walmart runs
>> out, things could change. At least I won't be required to change the
>> 120 gallons in my home heating system, every two years. Better keep
>> those fingers crossed.
>>
>> >From the Prestone web site, the yellow container now sports "New
>> Prestone® All Makes All Models Extended Life Antifreeze/Coolant" which
>> contains "a patented Organic Acid Technology formula". This is
>> probably a pH buffer, if you took college freshman chemistry. If you
>> took the lab, you should know that any buffer can be overloaded, by
>> adding enough base or acid. I don't know the composition of this
>> stuff, but it's a pretty good bet that it would break down
>> spontaneously too. I think that the black container, "Prestone® Heavy
>> Duty Antifreeze/ Coolant", with its "blend of ethylene glycol and a
>> specially formulated inhibitor package designed for heavy duty cooling
>> system applications" might be a better buy. They seem to be saying
>> that "ethylene glycol" = "heavy duty".
>>
>> Earle
radiator additive on a scheduled basis to your class 8's to supplement what
was used up..
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:435E9D66.270CCD60@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> Thanks for finding they had switch the formulas over what my last
> yellow had: http://www.----------.com/temp/prestone.jpg I will double
> check for the Real coolant with ethylene glycol is in. I have forgot why
> the coolant will breaks down, but it does just like the transmission
> oil, maybe heat cycling.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Hmm. The last time I bought coolant was in 1999, when I charged the
>> heating system in my house. I had two cases of no-name Walmart green
>> antifreeze left over, and this has served me since then. I do not
>> change or flush coolant. I never have, unless there was an obvious
>> reason for it, like conspicuous lime deposits in the visible radiator
>> tubes, or a leak. All of the leaks that I have serviced in this time
>> have been from known, explicable causes, like a pebble in the radiator
>> for example. I have always used a 50/50 mix of distilled or known
>> clean, soft tap water, and ethylene glycol antifreeze. The coolant in
>> my Jeep is still the same color and consistency as when it was new. It
>> is ten years old. I knew a guy in 1976 with a 1952 GMC wrecker, that
>> he claimed had the original factory antifreeze in it.
>>
>> I gather from this thread that when my case of no-name Walmart runs
>> out, things could change. At least I won't be required to change the
>> 120 gallons in my home heating system, every two years. Better keep
>> those fingers crossed.
>>
>> >From the Prestone web site, the yellow container now sports "New
>> Prestone® All Makes All Models Extended Life Antifreeze/Coolant" which
>> contains "a patented Organic Acid Technology formula". This is
>> probably a pH buffer, if you took college freshman chemistry. If you
>> took the lab, you should know that any buffer can be overloaded, by
>> adding enough base or acid. I don't know the composition of this
>> stuff, but it's a pretty good bet that it would break down
>> spontaneously too. I think that the black container, "Prestone® Heavy
>> Duty Antifreeze/ Coolant", with its "blend of ethylene glycol and a
>> specially formulated inhibitor package designed for heavy duty cooling
>> system applications" might be a better buy. They seem to be saying
>> that "ethylene glycol" = "heavy duty".
>>
>> Earle
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The anti-corrosion components is what gets used up. You probably added a
radiator additive on a scheduled basis to your class 8's to supplement what
was used up..
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:435E9D66.270CCD60@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> Thanks for finding they had switch the formulas over what my last
> yellow had: http://www.----------.com/temp/prestone.jpg I will double
> check for the Real coolant with ethylene glycol is in. I have forgot why
> the coolant will breaks down, but it does just like the transmission
> oil, maybe heat cycling.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Hmm. The last time I bought coolant was in 1999, when I charged the
>> heating system in my house. I had two cases of no-name Walmart green
>> antifreeze left over, and this has served me since then. I do not
>> change or flush coolant. I never have, unless there was an obvious
>> reason for it, like conspicuous lime deposits in the visible radiator
>> tubes, or a leak. All of the leaks that I have serviced in this time
>> have been from known, explicable causes, like a pebble in the radiator
>> for example. I have always used a 50/50 mix of distilled or known
>> clean, soft tap water, and ethylene glycol antifreeze. The coolant in
>> my Jeep is still the same color and consistency as when it was new. It
>> is ten years old. I knew a guy in 1976 with a 1952 GMC wrecker, that
>> he claimed had the original factory antifreeze in it.
>>
>> I gather from this thread that when my case of no-name Walmart runs
>> out, things could change. At least I won't be required to change the
>> 120 gallons in my home heating system, every two years. Better keep
>> those fingers crossed.
>>
>> >From the Prestone web site, the yellow container now sports "New
>> Prestone® All Makes All Models Extended Life Antifreeze/Coolant" which
>> contains "a patented Organic Acid Technology formula". This is
>> probably a pH buffer, if you took college freshman chemistry. If you
>> took the lab, you should know that any buffer can be overloaded, by
>> adding enough base or acid. I don't know the composition of this
>> stuff, but it's a pretty good bet that it would break down
>> spontaneously too. I think that the black container, "Prestone® Heavy
>> Duty Antifreeze/ Coolant", with its "blend of ethylene glycol and a
>> specially formulated inhibitor package designed for heavy duty cooling
>> system applications" might be a better buy. They seem to be saying
>> that "ethylene glycol" = "heavy duty".
>>
>> Earle
radiator additive on a scheduled basis to your class 8's to supplement what
was used up..
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Hi Earle,
> Thanks for finding they had switch the formulas over what my last
> yellow had: http://www.----------.com/temp/prestone.jpg I will double
> check for the Real coolant with ethylene glycol is in. I have forgot why
> the coolant will breaks down, but it does just like the transmission
> oil, maybe heat cycling.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Hmm. The last time I bought coolant was in 1999, when I charged the
>> heating system in my house. I had two cases of no-name Walmart green
>> antifreeze left over, and this has served me since then. I do not
>> change or flush coolant. I never have, unless there was an obvious
>> reason for it, like conspicuous lime deposits in the visible radiator
>> tubes, or a leak. All of the leaks that I have serviced in this time
>> have been from known, explicable causes, like a pebble in the radiator
>> for example. I have always used a 50/50 mix of distilled or known
>> clean, soft tap water, and ethylene glycol antifreeze. The coolant in
>> my Jeep is still the same color and consistency as when it was new. It
>> is ten years old. I knew a guy in 1976 with a 1952 GMC wrecker, that
>> he claimed had the original factory antifreeze in it.
>>
>> I gather from this thread that when my case of no-name Walmart runs
>> out, things could change. At least I won't be required to change the
>> 120 gallons in my home heating system, every two years. Better keep
>> those fingers crossed.
>>
>> >From the Prestone web site, the yellow container now sports "New
>> Prestone® All Makes All Models Extended Life Antifreeze/Coolant" which
>> contains "a patented Organic Acid Technology formula". This is
>> probably a pH buffer, if you took college freshman chemistry. If you
>> took the lab, you should know that any buffer can be overloaded, by
>> adding enough base or acid. I don't know the composition of this
>> stuff, but it's a pretty good bet that it would break down
>> spontaneously too. I think that the black container, "Prestone® Heavy
>> Duty Antifreeze/ Coolant", with its "blend of ethylene glycol and a
>> specially formulated inhibitor package designed for heavy duty cooling
>> system applications" might be a better buy. They seem to be saying
>> that "ethylene glycol" = "heavy duty".
>>
>> Earle
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The anti-corrosion components is what gets used up. You probably added a
radiator additive on a scheduled basis to your class 8's to supplement what
was used up..
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:435E9D66.270CCD60@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> Thanks for finding they had switch the formulas over what my last
> yellow had: http://www.----------.com/temp/prestone.jpg I will double
> check for the Real coolant with ethylene glycol is in. I have forgot why
> the coolant will breaks down, but it does just like the transmission
> oil, maybe heat cycling.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Hmm. The last time I bought coolant was in 1999, when I charged the
>> heating system in my house. I had two cases of no-name Walmart green
>> antifreeze left over, and this has served me since then. I do not
>> change or flush coolant. I never have, unless there was an obvious
>> reason for it, like conspicuous lime deposits in the visible radiator
>> tubes, or a leak. All of the leaks that I have serviced in this time
>> have been from known, explicable causes, like a pebble in the radiator
>> for example. I have always used a 50/50 mix of distilled or known
>> clean, soft tap water, and ethylene glycol antifreeze. The coolant in
>> my Jeep is still the same color and consistency as when it was new. It
>> is ten years old. I knew a guy in 1976 with a 1952 GMC wrecker, that
>> he claimed had the original factory antifreeze in it.
>>
>> I gather from this thread that when my case of no-name Walmart runs
>> out, things could change. At least I won't be required to change the
>> 120 gallons in my home heating system, every two years. Better keep
>> those fingers crossed.
>>
>> >From the Prestone web site, the yellow container now sports "New
>> Prestone® All Makes All Models Extended Life Antifreeze/Coolant" which
>> contains "a patented Organic Acid Technology formula". This is
>> probably a pH buffer, if you took college freshman chemistry. If you
>> took the lab, you should know that any buffer can be overloaded, by
>> adding enough base or acid. I don't know the composition of this
>> stuff, but it's a pretty good bet that it would break down
>> spontaneously too. I think that the black container, "Prestone® Heavy
>> Duty Antifreeze/ Coolant", with its "blend of ethylene glycol and a
>> specially formulated inhibitor package designed for heavy duty cooling
>> system applications" might be a better buy. They seem to be saying
>> that "ethylene glycol" = "heavy duty".
>>
>> Earle
radiator additive on a scheduled basis to your class 8's to supplement what
was used up..
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:435E9D66.270CCD60@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> Thanks for finding they had switch the formulas over what my last
> yellow had: http://www.----------.com/temp/prestone.jpg I will double
> check for the Real coolant with ethylene glycol is in. I have forgot why
> the coolant will breaks down, but it does just like the transmission
> oil, maybe heat cycling.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Hmm. The last time I bought coolant was in 1999, when I charged the
>> heating system in my house. I had two cases of no-name Walmart green
>> antifreeze left over, and this has served me since then. I do not
>> change or flush coolant. I never have, unless there was an obvious
>> reason for it, like conspicuous lime deposits in the visible radiator
>> tubes, or a leak. All of the leaks that I have serviced in this time
>> have been from known, explicable causes, like a pebble in the radiator
>> for example. I have always used a 50/50 mix of distilled or known
>> clean, soft tap water, and ethylene glycol antifreeze. The coolant in
>> my Jeep is still the same color and consistency as when it was new. It
>> is ten years old. I knew a guy in 1976 with a 1952 GMC wrecker, that
>> he claimed had the original factory antifreeze in it.
>>
>> I gather from this thread that when my case of no-name Walmart runs
>> out, things could change. At least I won't be required to change the
>> 120 gallons in my home heating system, every two years. Better keep
>> those fingers crossed.
>>
>> >From the Prestone web site, the yellow container now sports "New
>> Prestone® All Makes All Models Extended Life Antifreeze/Coolant" which
>> contains "a patented Organic Acid Technology formula". This is
>> probably a pH buffer, if you took college freshman chemistry. If you
>> took the lab, you should know that any buffer can be overloaded, by
>> adding enough base or acid. I don't know the composition of this
>> stuff, but it's a pretty good bet that it would break down
>> spontaneously too. I think that the black container, "Prestone® Heavy
>> Duty Antifreeze/ Coolant", with its "blend of ethylene glycol and a
>> specially formulated inhibitor package designed for heavy duty cooling
>> system applications" might be a better buy. They seem to be saying
>> that "ethylene glycol" = "heavy duty".
>>
>> Earle
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Maybe I'll change mine then. I can always use the old coolant, that I
drain from the cars, for topping off and repairs to the home heating
system! I probably have a fist-sized hole in my water pump now, for
not changing the coolant every two years, if you believe everything
that you read in manufacturers' propaganda.
I'm sticking with the green stuff. I still have a case from Walmart,
that is six years old, somewhere.
Earle
drain from the cars, for topping off and repairs to the home heating
system! I probably have a fist-sized hole in my water pump now, for
not changing the coolant every two years, if you believe everything
that you read in manufacturers' propaganda.
I'm sticking with the green stuff. I still have a case from Walmart,
that is six years old, somewhere.
Earle