98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
05-13-2007, 03:39 PM
#271
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Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:
> In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
> nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it
> takes #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
> Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
> While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
> free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
> over by the owner).
I don't know for sure, but I've heard that solar panels require more
energy to manufacture than they can produce over their entire life
span.
Anyone know if that's true or not?
> In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
> nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it
> takes #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
> Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
> While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
> free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
> over by the owner).
I don't know for sure, but I've heard that solar panels require more
energy to manufacture than they can produce over their entire life
span.
Anyone know if that's true or not?
05-13-2007, 03:39 PM
#272
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Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:
> In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
> nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it
> takes #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
> Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
> While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
> free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
> over by the owner).
I don't know for sure, but I've heard that solar panels require more
energy to manufacture than they can produce over their entire life
span.
Anyone know if that's true or not?
> In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
> nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it
> takes #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
> Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
> While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
> free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
> over by the owner).
I don't know for sure, but I've heard that solar panels require more
energy to manufacture than they can produce over their entire life
span.
Anyone know if that's true or not?
05-13-2007, 03:39 PM
#273
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Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:
> In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
> nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it
> takes #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
> Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
> While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
> free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
> over by the owner).
I don't know for sure, but I've heard that solar panels require more
energy to manufacture than they can produce over their entire life
span.
Anyone know if that's true or not?
> In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
> nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it
> takes #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
> Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
> While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
> free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
> over by the owner).
I don't know for sure, but I've heard that solar panels require more
energy to manufacture than they can produce over their entire life
span.
Anyone know if that's true or not?
05-13-2007, 05:36 PM
#274
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Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
All I remember was we put two electrical probes into a glass of ad
watched the bubbles come off them, trapping that gas (I thought I remembered
it was Hydrogen) with a piece of paper across the top of the glass. then we
transferred that gas to a glass without water, and with a knife shaved a
splinter of this metal, I remember it was Magnesium as that was what the
rims on my dragster were made of, not aluminum. Anyway we lifted that piece
of paper covering the glass and threw in the shaving, where upon it exploded
in fire. I could probably look the high school experiment up on the
internet, but not today.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1JGdnZeUgbfQ8NvbnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Pretty sure you are confusing this with another reaction.
> Remember your hydrogen series where both magnesium and hydrogen are
> classed as metals...
>
> Magnesium can be made to react with hydrogen to produce magnesium
> hydride. It is not a simple reaction and typically requires a
> catalytical halide or organic halide to create. Patent numbers of the
> process available on request. Plus the reaction would never be termed
> "burning" by any chem major.
>
> Magnesium reacts reasonably well with all of the halogens, and burning
> magnesium cannot be extinguished with water, carbon dioxide, etc. since
> it will break those apart and burn the resulting oxygen and leave behind
> hydrogen or carbon.
--
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watched the bubbles come off them, trapping that gas (I thought I remembered
it was Hydrogen) with a piece of paper across the top of the glass. then we
transferred that gas to a glass without water, and with a knife shaved a
splinter of this metal, I remember it was Magnesium as that was what the
rims on my dragster were made of, not aluminum. Anyway we lifted that piece
of paper covering the glass and threw in the shaving, where upon it exploded
in fire. I could probably look the high school experiment up on the
internet, but not today.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1JGdnZeUgbfQ8NvbnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Pretty sure you are confusing this with another reaction.
> Remember your hydrogen series where both magnesium and hydrogen are
> classed as metals...
>
> Magnesium can be made to react with hydrogen to produce magnesium
> hydride. It is not a simple reaction and typically requires a
> catalytical halide or organic halide to create. Patent numbers of the
> process available on request. Plus the reaction would never be termed
> "burning" by any chem major.
>
> Magnesium reacts reasonably well with all of the halogens, and burning
> magnesium cannot be extinguished with water, carbon dioxide, etc. since
> it will break those apart and burn the resulting oxygen and leave behind
> hydrogen or carbon.
--
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05-13-2007, 05:36 PM
#275
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Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
All I remember was we put two electrical probes into a glass of ad
watched the bubbles come off them, trapping that gas (I thought I remembered
it was Hydrogen) with a piece of paper across the top of the glass. then we
transferred that gas to a glass without water, and with a knife shaved a
splinter of this metal, I remember it was Magnesium as that was what the
rims on my dragster were made of, not aluminum. Anyway we lifted that piece
of paper covering the glass and threw in the shaving, where upon it exploded
in fire. I could probably look the high school experiment up on the
internet, but not today.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1JGdnZeUgbfQ8NvbnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Pretty sure you are confusing this with another reaction.
> Remember your hydrogen series where both magnesium and hydrogen are
> classed as metals...
>
> Magnesium can be made to react with hydrogen to produce magnesium
> hydride. It is not a simple reaction and typically requires a
> catalytical halide or organic halide to create. Patent numbers of the
> process available on request. Plus the reaction would never be termed
> "burning" by any chem major.
>
> Magnesium reacts reasonably well with all of the halogens, and burning
> magnesium cannot be extinguished with water, carbon dioxide, etc. since
> it will break those apart and burn the resulting oxygen and leave behind
> hydrogen or carbon.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
watched the bubbles come off them, trapping that gas (I thought I remembered
it was Hydrogen) with a piece of paper across the top of the glass. then we
transferred that gas to a glass without water, and with a knife shaved a
splinter of this metal, I remember it was Magnesium as that was what the
rims on my dragster were made of, not aluminum. Anyway we lifted that piece
of paper covering the glass and threw in the shaving, where upon it exploded
in fire. I could probably look the high school experiment up on the
internet, but not today.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1JGdnZeUgbfQ8NvbnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Pretty sure you are confusing this with another reaction.
> Remember your hydrogen series where both magnesium and hydrogen are
> classed as metals...
>
> Magnesium can be made to react with hydrogen to produce magnesium
> hydride. It is not a simple reaction and typically requires a
> catalytical halide or organic halide to create. Patent numbers of the
> process available on request. Plus the reaction would never be termed
> "burning" by any chem major.
>
> Magnesium reacts reasonably well with all of the halogens, and burning
> magnesium cannot be extinguished with water, carbon dioxide, etc. since
> it will break those apart and burn the resulting oxygen and leave behind
> hydrogen or carbon.
--
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05-13-2007, 05:36 PM
#276
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Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
All I remember was we put two electrical probes into a glass of ad
watched the bubbles come off them, trapping that gas (I thought I remembered
it was Hydrogen) with a piece of paper across the top of the glass. then we
transferred that gas to a glass without water, and with a knife shaved a
splinter of this metal, I remember it was Magnesium as that was what the
rims on my dragster were made of, not aluminum. Anyway we lifted that piece
of paper covering the glass and threw in the shaving, where upon it exploded
in fire. I could probably look the high school experiment up on the
internet, but not today.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1JGdnZeUgbfQ8NvbnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Pretty sure you are confusing this with another reaction.
> Remember your hydrogen series where both magnesium and hydrogen are
> classed as metals...
>
> Magnesium can be made to react with hydrogen to produce magnesium
> hydride. It is not a simple reaction and typically requires a
> catalytical halide or organic halide to create. Patent numbers of the
> process available on request. Plus the reaction would never be termed
> "burning" by any chem major.
>
> Magnesium reacts reasonably well with all of the halogens, and burning
> magnesium cannot be extinguished with water, carbon dioxide, etc. since
> it will break those apart and burn the resulting oxygen and leave behind
> hydrogen or carbon.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
watched the bubbles come off them, trapping that gas (I thought I remembered
it was Hydrogen) with a piece of paper across the top of the glass. then we
transferred that gas to a glass without water, and with a knife shaved a
splinter of this metal, I remember it was Magnesium as that was what the
rims on my dragster were made of, not aluminum. Anyway we lifted that piece
of paper covering the glass and threw in the shaving, where upon it exploded
in fire. I could probably look the high school experiment up on the
internet, but not today.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1JGdnZeUgbfQ8NvbnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Pretty sure you are confusing this with another reaction.
> Remember your hydrogen series where both magnesium and hydrogen are
> classed as metals...
>
> Magnesium can be made to react with hydrogen to produce magnesium
> hydride. It is not a simple reaction and typically requires a
> catalytical halide or organic halide to create. Patent numbers of the
> process available on request. Plus the reaction would never be termed
> "burning" by any chem major.
>
> Magnesium reacts reasonably well with all of the halogens, and burning
> magnesium cannot be extinguished with water, carbon dioxide, etc. since
> it will break those apart and burn the resulting oxygen and leave behind
> hydrogen or carbon.
--
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05-13-2007, 05:36 PM
#277
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Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
All I remember was we put two electrical probes into a glass of ad
watched the bubbles come off them, trapping that gas (I thought I remembered
it was Hydrogen) with a piece of paper across the top of the glass. then we
transferred that gas to a glass without water, and with a knife shaved a
splinter of this metal, I remember it was Magnesium as that was what the
rims on my dragster were made of, not aluminum. Anyway we lifted that piece
of paper covering the glass and threw in the shaving, where upon it exploded
in fire. I could probably look the high school experiment up on the
internet, but not today.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1JGdnZeUgbfQ8NvbnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Pretty sure you are confusing this with another reaction.
> Remember your hydrogen series where both magnesium and hydrogen are
> classed as metals...
>
> Magnesium can be made to react with hydrogen to produce magnesium
> hydride. It is not a simple reaction and typically requires a
> catalytical halide or organic halide to create. Patent numbers of the
> process available on request. Plus the reaction would never be termed
> "burning" by any chem major.
>
> Magnesium reacts reasonably well with all of the halogens, and burning
> magnesium cannot be extinguished with water, carbon dioxide, etc. since
> it will break those apart and burn the resulting oxygen and leave behind
> hydrogen or carbon.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
watched the bubbles come off them, trapping that gas (I thought I remembered
it was Hydrogen) with a piece of paper across the top of the glass. then we
transferred that gas to a glass without water, and with a knife shaved a
splinter of this metal, I remember it was Magnesium as that was what the
rims on my dragster were made of, not aluminum. Anyway we lifted that piece
of paper covering the glass and threw in the shaving, where upon it exploded
in fire. I could probably look the high school experiment up on the
internet, but not today.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1JGdnZeUgbfQ8NvbnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Pretty sure you are confusing this with another reaction.
> Remember your hydrogen series where both magnesium and hydrogen are
> classed as metals...
>
> Magnesium can be made to react with hydrogen to produce magnesium
> hydride. It is not a simple reaction and typically requires a
> catalytical halide or organic halide to create. Patent numbers of the
> process available on request. Plus the reaction would never be termed
> "burning" by any chem major.
>
> Magnesium reacts reasonably well with all of the halogens, and burning
> magnesium cannot be extinguished with water, carbon dioxide, etc. since
> it will break those apart and burn the resulting oxygen and leave behind
> hydrogen or carbon.
--
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05-13-2007, 05:50 PM
#278
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Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
LOL As Princes Di used complain about, wanting to be a traitor and buy a
Krout car.
My one English car experience was as '55 Austin Healey, aluminum body,
wire knock offs, lay down windshield but if it was fogging it shorted out,
and just stopped.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I *think* the Jags had this up to at least the '61 3.8S model, after
> that stopped paying attention to Jag sedans, as they were all slightly
> less reliable than a teenage mistress.
--
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Krout car.
My one English car experience was as '55 Austin Healey, aluminum body,
wire knock offs, lay down windshield but if it was fogging it shorted out,
and just stopped.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:FeadnfHlrcvx8tvbnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> I *think* the Jags had this up to at least the '61 3.8S model, after
> that stopped paying attention to Jag sedans, as they were all slightly
> less reliable than a teenage mistress.
--
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05-13-2007, 05:50 PM
#279
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Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
LOL As Princes Di used complain about, wanting to be a traitor and buy a
Krout car.
My one English car experience was as '55 Austin Healey, aluminum body,
wire knock offs, lay down windshield but if it was fogging it shorted out,
and just stopped.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:FeadnfHlrcvx8tvbnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> I *think* the Jags had this up to at least the '61 3.8S model, after
> that stopped paying attention to Jag sedans, as they were all slightly
> less reliable than a teenage mistress.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Krout car.
My one English car experience was as '55 Austin Healey, aluminum body,
wire knock offs, lay down windshield but if it was fogging it shorted out,
and just stopped.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:FeadnfHlrcvx8tvbnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> I *think* the Jags had this up to at least the '61 3.8S model, after
> that stopped paying attention to Jag sedans, as they were all slightly
> less reliable than a teenage mistress.
--
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05-13-2007, 05:50 PM
#280
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Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
LOL As Princes Di used complain about, wanting to be a traitor and buy a
Krout car.
My one English car experience was as '55 Austin Healey, aluminum body,
wire knock offs, lay down windshield but if it was fogging it shorted out,
and just stopped.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:FeadnfHlrcvx8tvbnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> I *think* the Jags had this up to at least the '61 3.8S model, after
> that stopped paying attention to Jag sedans, as they were all slightly
> less reliable than a teenage mistress.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Krout car.
My one English car experience was as '55 Austin Healey, aluminum body,
wire knock offs, lay down windshield but if it was fogging it shorted out,
and just stopped.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:FeadnfHlrcvx8tvbnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> I *think* the Jags had this up to at least the '61 3.8S model, after
> that stopped paying attention to Jag sedans, as they were all slightly
> less reliable than a teenage mistress.
--
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