SnoMan proclaimed:

> On Wed, 09 May 2007 13:27:20 -0400, FrankW <fworm@norpak.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>Funny that, from what I understand:
>>Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe
>
>
>
> In the universe yes as stars and vast clouds of interstellar gas are
> made mostly of hydrogen but on the earth, free hydrogen in its native
> state is rare. Given the tempatures needed for it to because a liquid
> it is easy to see why. Hydrgen is a building block though is all
> fossil fuels but it is not in the form of free atoms.
> -----------------

Free hydrogen is quite rare in space, it usually comes combined with
something else unless you get it from something the size of Jupiter or
bigger where you might find it in metallic form.

 

SnoMan proclaimed:

> On Wed, 09 May 2007 13:27:20 -0400, FrankW <fworm@norpak.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>Funny that, from what I understand:
>>Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe
>
>
>
> In the universe yes as stars and vast clouds of interstellar gas are
> made mostly of hydrogen but on the earth, free hydrogen in its native
> state is rare. Given the tempatures needed for it to because a liquid
> it is easy to see why. Hydrgen is a building block though is all
> fossil fuels but it is not in the form of free atoms.
> -----------------

Free hydrogen is quite rare in space, it usually comes combined with
something else unless you get it from something the size of Jupiter or
bigger where you might find it in metallic form.

 

SnoMan proclaimed:

> On Wed, 09 May 2007 13:27:20 -0400, FrankW <fworm@norpak.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>Funny that, from what I understand:
>>Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe
>
>
>
> In the universe yes as stars and vast clouds of interstellar gas are
> made mostly of hydrogen but on the earth, free hydrogen in its native
> state is rare. Given the tempatures needed for it to because a liquid
> it is easy to see why. Hydrgen is a building block though is all
> fossil fuels but it is not in the form of free atoms.
> -----------------

Free hydrogen is quite rare in space, it usually comes combined with
something else unless you get it from something the size of Jupiter or
bigger where you might find it in metallic form.

 

And the energy for that electrolysis would have to come from cold fusion
since otherwise you'd be getting it from the typical sources. Plus when
you burn hydrogen in air, most folks forget about air being mostly
nitrogen and you do NOT get the pure water the greenie monsters believe
you will get.

L.W. (Bill) ------ III proclaimed:

> Yup, and anyone can separate it from water, remember the two electrical
> probes we put in a glass, trapped the Hydrogen, and exploded a piece of
> magnesium in it. The justification for burning hydrogen is cleaner burning,
> but what no one mentions is it takes ceramic pistons and sleeves to
> withstand the much higher than the two thousand degree flash of gasoline,
> now.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
> "FrankW" <fworm@norpak.ca> wrote in message
> news:7M6dnZZTVKPqmd_bnZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@magma.ca...
>
>>Funny that, from what I understand:
>>Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe
>>:-)
>
>
>
>

 

And the energy for that electrolysis would have to come from cold fusion
since otherwise you'd be getting it from the typical sources. Plus when
you burn hydrogen in air, most folks forget about air being mostly
nitrogen and you do NOT get the pure water the greenie monsters believe
you will get.

L.W. (Bill) ------ III proclaimed:

> Yup, and anyone can separate it from water, remember the two electrical
> probes we put in a glass, trapped the Hydrogen, and exploded a piece of
> magnesium in it. The justification for burning hydrogen is cleaner burning,
> but what no one mentions is it takes ceramic pistons and sleeves to
> withstand the much higher than the two thousand degree flash of gasoline,
> now.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
> "FrankW" <fworm@norpak.ca> wrote in message
> news:7M6dnZZTVKPqmd_bnZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@magma.ca...
>
>>Funny that, from what I understand:
>>Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe
>>:-)
>
>
>
>

 

And the energy for that electrolysis would have to come from cold fusion
since otherwise you'd be getting it from the typical sources. Plus when
you burn hydrogen in air, most folks forget about air being mostly
nitrogen and you do NOT get the pure water the greenie monsters believe
you will get.

L.W. (Bill) ------ III proclaimed:

> Yup, and anyone can separate it from water, remember the two electrical
> probes we put in a glass, trapped the Hydrogen, and exploded a piece of
> magnesium in it. The justification for burning hydrogen is cleaner burning,
> but what no one mentions is it takes ceramic pistons and sleeves to
> withstand the much higher than the two thousand degree flash of gasoline,
> now.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
> "FrankW" <fworm@norpak.ca> wrote in message
> news:7M6dnZZTVKPqmd_bnZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@magma.ca...
>
>>Funny that, from what I understand:
>>Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe
>>:-)
>
>
>
>

 

And the energy for that electrolysis would have to come from cold fusion
since otherwise you'd be getting it from the typical sources. Plus when
you burn hydrogen in air, most folks forget about air being mostly
nitrogen and you do NOT get the pure water the greenie monsters believe
you will get.

L.W. (Bill) ------ III proclaimed:

> Yup, and anyone can separate it from water, remember the two electrical
> probes we put in a glass, trapped the Hydrogen, and exploded a piece of
> magnesium in it. The justification for burning hydrogen is cleaner burning,
> but what no one mentions is it takes ceramic pistons and sleeves to
> withstand the much higher than the two thousand degree flash of gasoline,
> now.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
> "FrankW" <fworm@norpak.ca> wrote in message
> news:7M6dnZZTVKPqmd_bnZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@magma.ca...
>
>>Funny that, from what I understand:
>>Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe
>>:-)
>
>
>
>

 

Ivan Jager proclaimed:

> On 2007-05-08, c <c@me.org> wrote:
>
>>To me this would have more potential to reduce emissions and increase
>>power since ethanol has a high octane rating and could take advantage of
>>the compression ratio of a diesel engine.
>
>
> The whole point of a Diesel engine is that you can get high compression
> ratios without needing high octane fuel. In fact, if you had high
> octane fuel that wouldn't self ignite, it wouldn't burn. Are you going
> to suggest putting spark plugs in a Diesel engine? :D
>
> I would hazard a guess that the 2% Diesel is so that the fuel will burn.

Alcohol burns nicely in a diesel cycle, as any model airplane hobbyist
would be aware of as they do the inevitable castor oil two step.
Alcohol and nitromethane burn even better just before your engine melts.

 

Ivan Jager proclaimed:

> On 2007-05-08, c <c@me.org> wrote:
>
>>To me this would have more potential to reduce emissions and increase
>>power since ethanol has a high octane rating and could take advantage of
>>the compression ratio of a diesel engine.
>
>
> The whole point of a Diesel engine is that you can get high compression
> ratios without needing high octane fuel. In fact, if you had high
> octane fuel that wouldn't self ignite, it wouldn't burn. Are you going
> to suggest putting spark plugs in a Diesel engine? :D
>
> I would hazard a guess that the 2% Diesel is so that the fuel will burn.

Alcohol burns nicely in a diesel cycle, as any model airplane hobbyist
would be aware of as they do the inevitable castor oil two step.
Alcohol and nitromethane burn even better just before your engine melts.

 

Ivan Jager proclaimed:

> On 2007-05-08, c <c@me.org> wrote:
>
>>To me this would have more potential to reduce emissions and increase
>>power since ethanol has a high octane rating and could take advantage of
>>the compression ratio of a diesel engine.
>
>
> The whole point of a Diesel engine is that you can get high compression
> ratios without needing high octane fuel. In fact, if you had high
> octane fuel that wouldn't self ignite, it wouldn't burn. Are you going
> to suggest putting spark plugs in a Diesel engine? :D
>
> I would hazard a guess that the 2% Diesel is so that the fuel will burn.

Alcohol burns nicely in a diesel cycle, as any model airplane hobbyist
would be aware of as they do the inevitable castor oil two step.
Alcohol and nitromethane burn even better just before your engine melts.