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Re: 96 GC don't start
Yup, one is what a Jeeper would call it. the other is what a
Germany calls it. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Le CLone wrote: > > Bill the page is referring to the TOP DEAD CENTER sensor > and you are reporting Crankshaft Position Sensor > are they both the same ? |
Re: 96 GC don't start
Yup, one is what a Jeeper would call it. the other is what a
Germany calls it. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Le CLone wrote: > > Bill the page is referring to the TOP DEAD CENTER sensor > and you are reporting Crankshaft Position Sensor > are they both the same ? |
Re: 96 GC don't start
i wrench at a jeep dealer and in a month i see zero no starts resulting from bad
grounds and at least2 a month with bad crank sensors esp. on the 4.0 once the engine is running u can disconnect the dist. wires and it will stay running it's not used until it's shut off and restarted and the pcm needs to know were the cam sync. is now it may be a rear bird that has a bad ground but law of averages are against it Le CLone wrote: > Using a test light we are able to get ground from various parts on the > engine, > > Assuming that the sensor quit while i was using the vehicules, because the > day before it ran fine except it never start the day after, what sensor it > essential for the vehicule to start but is not required when the vehicules > is running ? > > -- > LE CLONE > > 279 Notre-Dame > Gatineau, Qc > J8P 1K6 > (819) 643-0511 > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > www.leclone.com > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:4190F182.252BD632@sympatico.ca... > > Busted ground man...... > > > > You live in the 'classic' rust belt so bad that your axles are rotting > > away right? > > > > Have you changed the open wire mesh ground from the engine to the > > firewall yet? > > > > Do you think that open mesh wire should last longer then a solid steel > > axle? > > > > Believe me, they rot 'way' faster than axles....... > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > well they got the new computer today and the jeep still does not start > !!!!! > > > now im really stuck behind the mechanic and my 0- knownledge in > > > electric..... > > > > > > pat > > > > > > -- > > > -- > > > LE CLONE > > > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > > Gatineau, Qc > > > J8P 1K6 > > > (819) 643-0511 > > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > > www.leclone.com > > > "mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message > > > news:418CB96C.A135C40A@cac.net... > > > > careful !alot of cheaper scan tools will do that because they have > limited > > > > software that interfaces with the vehicle > > > > i see it all the time with snapon even > > > > take it to a dealer you trust it will be cheaper inthe long run > > > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > > Everything seem to lead to a bad computer, when he connect is scan > tools > > > it > > > > > get not code and an error reporting to put the key on. + their is > > > various > > > > > cable that have no power. He said that their is aftermarket computer > > > > > available for my GC. DC want 585 CAN + tx for a new one...... > > > > > > > > > > I just hope this is not a trial and error because it's getting > > > expensive. > > > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > LE CLONE > > > > > > > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > > > > Gatineau, Qc > > > > > J8P 1K6 > > > > > (819) 643-0511 > > > > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > > > > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > > > > www.leclone.com > > > > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message > > > > > news:LkKid.98511$tU4.89125@okepread06... > > > > > > mic canic did pass the time by typing: > > > > > > > needs a crank sensor won't get either with a bad one > > > > > > > > > > > > This might help. > > > > > > http://members.cox.net/wilsond/cps/ > > > > > > > > > > > > I've had no-fuel, no-spark, caused by a bad ignition coil. > > > > > > The ASD (automatic shutdown relay) will turn off power to > > > > > > both the coil and the fuel pump if the jeep does not start > > > > > > in the first two to three engine revolutions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> My mechanic has just reported me that he does not get fuel or > > > spark... > > > > > ? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: 96 GC don't start
i wrench at a jeep dealer and in a month i see zero no starts resulting from bad
grounds and at least2 a month with bad crank sensors esp. on the 4.0 once the engine is running u can disconnect the dist. wires and it will stay running it's not used until it's shut off and restarted and the pcm needs to know were the cam sync. is now it may be a rear bird that has a bad ground but law of averages are against it Le CLone wrote: > Using a test light we are able to get ground from various parts on the > engine, > > Assuming that the sensor quit while i was using the vehicules, because the > day before it ran fine except it never start the day after, what sensor it > essential for the vehicule to start but is not required when the vehicules > is running ? > > -- > LE CLONE > > 279 Notre-Dame > Gatineau, Qc > J8P 1K6 > (819) 643-0511 > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > www.leclone.com > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:4190F182.252BD632@sympatico.ca... > > Busted ground man...... > > > > You live in the 'classic' rust belt so bad that your axles are rotting > > away right? > > > > Have you changed the open wire mesh ground from the engine to the > > firewall yet? > > > > Do you think that open mesh wire should last longer then a solid steel > > axle? > > > > Believe me, they rot 'way' faster than axles....... > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > well they got the new computer today and the jeep still does not start > !!!!! > > > now im really stuck behind the mechanic and my 0- knownledge in > > > electric..... > > > > > > pat > > > > > > -- > > > -- > > > LE CLONE > > > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > > Gatineau, Qc > > > J8P 1K6 > > > (819) 643-0511 > > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > > www.leclone.com > > > "mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message > > > news:418CB96C.A135C40A@cac.net... > > > > careful !alot of cheaper scan tools will do that because they have > limited > > > > software that interfaces with the vehicle > > > > i see it all the time with snapon even > > > > take it to a dealer you trust it will be cheaper inthe long run > > > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > > Everything seem to lead to a bad computer, when he connect is scan > tools > > > it > > > > > get not code and an error reporting to put the key on. + their is > > > various > > > > > cable that have no power. He said that their is aftermarket computer > > > > > available for my GC. DC want 585 CAN + tx for a new one...... > > > > > > > > > > I just hope this is not a trial and error because it's getting > > > expensive. > > > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > LE CLONE > > > > > > > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > > > > Gatineau, Qc > > > > > J8P 1K6 > > > > > (819) 643-0511 > > > > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > > > > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > > > > www.leclone.com > > > > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message > > > > > news:LkKid.98511$tU4.89125@okepread06... > > > > > > mic canic did pass the time by typing: > > > > > > > needs a crank sensor won't get either with a bad one > > > > > > > > > > > > This might help. > > > > > > http://members.cox.net/wilsond/cps/ > > > > > > > > > > > > I've had no-fuel, no-spark, caused by a bad ignition coil. > > > > > > The ASD (automatic shutdown relay) will turn off power to > > > > > > both the coil and the fuel pump if the jeep does not start > > > > > > in the first two to three engine revolutions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> My mechanic has just reported me that he does not get fuel or > > > spark... > > > > > ? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: 96 GC don't start
i wrench at a jeep dealer and in a month i see zero no starts resulting from bad
grounds and at least2 a month with bad crank sensors esp. on the 4.0 once the engine is running u can disconnect the dist. wires and it will stay running it's not used until it's shut off and restarted and the pcm needs to know were the cam sync. is now it may be a rear bird that has a bad ground but law of averages are against it Le CLone wrote: > Using a test light we are able to get ground from various parts on the > engine, > > Assuming that the sensor quit while i was using the vehicules, because the > day before it ran fine except it never start the day after, what sensor it > essential for the vehicule to start but is not required when the vehicules > is running ? > > -- > LE CLONE > > 279 Notre-Dame > Gatineau, Qc > J8P 1K6 > (819) 643-0511 > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > www.leclone.com > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:4190F182.252BD632@sympatico.ca... > > Busted ground man...... > > > > You live in the 'classic' rust belt so bad that your axles are rotting > > away right? > > > > Have you changed the open wire mesh ground from the engine to the > > firewall yet? > > > > Do you think that open mesh wire should last longer then a solid steel > > axle? > > > > Believe me, they rot 'way' faster than axles....... > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > well they got the new computer today and the jeep still does not start > !!!!! > > > now im really stuck behind the mechanic and my 0- knownledge in > > > electric..... > > > > > > pat > > > > > > -- > > > -- > > > LE CLONE > > > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > > Gatineau, Qc > > > J8P 1K6 > > > (819) 643-0511 > > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > > www.leclone.com > > > "mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message > > > news:418CB96C.A135C40A@cac.net... > > > > careful !alot of cheaper scan tools will do that because they have > limited > > > > software that interfaces with the vehicle > > > > i see it all the time with snapon even > > > > take it to a dealer you trust it will be cheaper inthe long run > > > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > > Everything seem to lead to a bad computer, when he connect is scan > tools > > > it > > > > > get not code and an error reporting to put the key on. + their is > > > various > > > > > cable that have no power. He said that their is aftermarket computer > > > > > available for my GC. DC want 585 CAN + tx for a new one...... > > > > > > > > > > I just hope this is not a trial and error because it's getting > > > expensive. > > > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > LE CLONE > > > > > > > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > > > > Gatineau, Qc > > > > > J8P 1K6 > > > > > (819) 643-0511 > > > > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > > > > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > > > > www.leclone.com > > > > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message > > > > > news:LkKid.98511$tU4.89125@okepread06... > > > > > > mic canic did pass the time by typing: > > > > > > > needs a crank sensor won't get either with a bad one > > > > > > > > > > > > This might help. > > > > > > http://members.cox.net/wilsond/cps/ > > > > > > > > > > > > I've had no-fuel, no-spark, caused by a bad ignition coil. > > > > > > The ASD (automatic shutdown relay) will turn off power to > > > > > > both the coil and the fuel pump if the jeep does not start > > > > > > in the first two to three engine revolutions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> My mechanic has just reported me that he does not get fuel or > > > spark... > > > > > ? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: 96 GC don't start
Well i made them order the sensor today, i have a feeling this is it, and it
been a week they are trying to find the problem !!!! I think i will have argument when the bill will come in. Pat -- LE CLONE 279 Notre-Dame Gatineau, Qc J8P 1K6 (819) 643-0511 SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 patrick@leclone.com www.leclone.com "mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message news:4190D9E6.EBD9FA9E@cac.net... > i wrench at a jeep dealer and in a month i see zero no starts resulting from bad > grounds and at least2 a month with bad crank sensors esp. on the 4.0 > once the engine is running u can disconnect the dist. wires and it will stay > running it's not used until it's shut off and restarted and the pcm needs to > know were the cam sync. is > now it may be a rear bird that has a bad ground but law of averages are against > it > > Le CLone wrote: > > > Using a test light we are able to get ground from various parts on the > > engine, > > > > Assuming that the sensor quit while i was using the vehicules, because the > > day before it ran fine except it never start the day after, what sensor it > > essential for the vehicule to start but is not required when the vehicules > > is running ? > > > > -- > > LE CLONE > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > Gatineau, Qc > > J8P 1K6 > > (819) 643-0511 > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > www.leclone.com > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:4190F182.252BD632@sympatico.ca... > > > Busted ground man...... > > > > > > You live in the 'classic' rust belt so bad that your axles are rotting > > > away right? > > > > > > Have you changed the open wire mesh ground from the engine to the > > > firewall yet? > > > > > > Do you think that open mesh wire should last longer then a solid steel > > > axle? > > > > > > Believe me, they rot 'way' faster than axles....... > > > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > well they got the new computer today and the jeep still does not start > > !!!!! > > > > now im really stuck behind the mechanic and my 0- knownledge in > > > > electric..... > > > > > > > > pat > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -- > > > > LE CLONE > > > > > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > > > Gatineau, Qc > > > > J8P 1K6 > > > > (819) 643-0511 > > > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > > > www.leclone.com > > > > "mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message > > > > news:418CB96C.A135C40A@cac.net... > > > > > careful !alot of cheaper scan tools will do that because they have > > limited > > > > > software that interfaces with the vehicle > > > > > i see it all the time with snapon even > > > > > take it to a dealer you trust it will be cheaper inthe long run > > > > > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Everything seem to lead to a bad computer, when he connect is scan > > tools > > > > it > > > > > > get not code and an error reporting to put the key on. + their is > > > > various > > > > > > cable that have no power. He said that their is aftermarket computer > > > > > > available for my GC. DC want 585 CAN + tx for a new one...... > > > > > > > > > > > > I just hope this is not a trial and error because it's getting > > > > expensive. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > LE CLONE > > > > > > > > > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > > > > > Gatineau, Qc > > > > > > J8P 1K6 > > > > > > (819) 643-0511 > > > > > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > > > > > > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > > > > > www.leclone.com > > > > > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message > > > > > > news:LkKid.98511$tU4.89125@okepread06... > > > > > > > mic canic did pass the time by typing: > > > > > > > > needs a crank sensor won't get either with a bad one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This might help. > > > > > > > http://members.cox.net/wilsond/cps/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've had no-fuel, no-spark, caused by a bad ignition coil. > > > > > > > The ASD (automatic shutdown relay) will turn off power to > > > > > > > both the coil and the fuel pump if the jeep does not start > > > > > > > in the first two to three engine revolutions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> My mechanic has just reported me that he does not get fuel or > > > > spark... > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: 96 GC don't start
Well i made them order the sensor today, i have a feeling this is it, and it
been a week they are trying to find the problem !!!! I think i will have argument when the bill will come in. Pat -- LE CLONE 279 Notre-Dame Gatineau, Qc J8P 1K6 (819) 643-0511 SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 patrick@leclone.com www.leclone.com "mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message news:4190D9E6.EBD9FA9E@cac.net... > i wrench at a jeep dealer and in a month i see zero no starts resulting from bad > grounds and at least2 a month with bad crank sensors esp. on the 4.0 > once the engine is running u can disconnect the dist. wires and it will stay > running it's not used until it's shut off and restarted and the pcm needs to > know were the cam sync. is > now it may be a rear bird that has a bad ground but law of averages are against > it > > Le CLone wrote: > > > Using a test light we are able to get ground from various parts on the > > engine, > > > > Assuming that the sensor quit while i was using the vehicules, because the > > day before it ran fine except it never start the day after, what sensor it > > essential for the vehicule to start but is not required when the vehicules > > is running ? > > > > -- > > LE CLONE > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > Gatineau, Qc > > J8P 1K6 > > (819) 643-0511 > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > www.leclone.com > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:4190F182.252BD632@sympatico.ca... > > > Busted ground man...... > > > > > > You live in the 'classic' rust belt so bad that your axles are rotting > > > away right? > > > > > > Have you changed the open wire mesh ground from the engine to the > > > firewall yet? > > > > > > Do you think that open mesh wire should last longer then a solid steel > > > axle? > > > > > > Believe me, they rot 'way' faster than axles....... > > > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > well they got the new computer today and the jeep still does not start > > !!!!! > > > > now im really stuck behind the mechanic and my 0- knownledge in > > > > electric..... > > > > > > > > pat > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -- > > > > LE CLONE > > > > > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > > > Gatineau, Qc > > > > J8P 1K6 > > > > (819) 643-0511 > > > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > > > www.leclone.com > > > > "mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message > > > > news:418CB96C.A135C40A@cac.net... > > > > > careful !alot of cheaper scan tools will do that because they have > > limited > > > > > software that interfaces with the vehicle > > > > > i see it all the time with snapon even > > > > > take it to a dealer you trust it will be cheaper inthe long run > > > > > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Everything seem to lead to a bad computer, when he connect is scan > > tools > > > > it > > > > > > get not code and an error reporting to put the key on. + their is > > > > various > > > > > > cable that have no power. He said that their is aftermarket computer > > > > > > available for my GC. DC want 585 CAN + tx for a new one...... > > > > > > > > > > > > I just hope this is not a trial and error because it's getting > > > > expensive. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > LE CLONE > > > > > > > > > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > > > > > Gatineau, Qc > > > > > > J8P 1K6 > > > > > > (819) 643-0511 > > > > > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > > > > > > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > > > > > www.leclone.com > > > > > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message > > > > > > news:LkKid.98511$tU4.89125@okepread06... > > > > > > > mic canic did pass the time by typing: > > > > > > > > needs a crank sensor won't get either with a bad one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This might help. > > > > > > > http://members.cox.net/wilsond/cps/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've had no-fuel, no-spark, caused by a bad ignition coil. > > > > > > > The ASD (automatic shutdown relay) will turn off power to > > > > > > > both the coil and the fuel pump if the jeep does not start > > > > > > > in the first two to three engine revolutions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> My mechanic has just reported me that he does not get fuel or > > > > spark... > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: 96 GC don't start
Well i made them order the sensor today, i have a feeling this is it, and it
been a week they are trying to find the problem !!!! I think i will have argument when the bill will come in. Pat -- LE CLONE 279 Notre-Dame Gatineau, Qc J8P 1K6 (819) 643-0511 SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 patrick@leclone.com www.leclone.com "mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message news:4190D9E6.EBD9FA9E@cac.net... > i wrench at a jeep dealer and in a month i see zero no starts resulting from bad > grounds and at least2 a month with bad crank sensors esp. on the 4.0 > once the engine is running u can disconnect the dist. wires and it will stay > running it's not used until it's shut off and restarted and the pcm needs to > know were the cam sync. is > now it may be a rear bird that has a bad ground but law of averages are against > it > > Le CLone wrote: > > > Using a test light we are able to get ground from various parts on the > > engine, > > > > Assuming that the sensor quit while i was using the vehicules, because the > > day before it ran fine except it never start the day after, what sensor it > > essential for the vehicule to start but is not required when the vehicules > > is running ? > > > > -- > > LE CLONE > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > Gatineau, Qc > > J8P 1K6 > > (819) 643-0511 > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > www.leclone.com > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:4190F182.252BD632@sympatico.ca... > > > Busted ground man...... > > > > > > You live in the 'classic' rust belt so bad that your axles are rotting > > > away right? > > > > > > Have you changed the open wire mesh ground from the engine to the > > > firewall yet? > > > > > > Do you think that open mesh wire should last longer then a solid steel > > > axle? > > > > > > Believe me, they rot 'way' faster than axles....... > > > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > well they got the new computer today and the jeep still does not start > > !!!!! > > > > now im really stuck behind the mechanic and my 0- knownledge in > > > > electric..... > > > > > > > > pat > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -- > > > > LE CLONE > > > > > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > > > Gatineau, Qc > > > > J8P 1K6 > > > > (819) 643-0511 > > > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > > > www.leclone.com > > > > "mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message > > > > news:418CB96C.A135C40A@cac.net... > > > > > careful !alot of cheaper scan tools will do that because they have > > limited > > > > > software that interfaces with the vehicle > > > > > i see it all the time with snapon even > > > > > take it to a dealer you trust it will be cheaper inthe long run > > > > > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Everything seem to lead to a bad computer, when he connect is scan > > tools > > > > it > > > > > > get not code and an error reporting to put the key on. + their is > > > > various > > > > > > cable that have no power. He said that their is aftermarket computer > > > > > > available for my GC. DC want 585 CAN + tx for a new one...... > > > > > > > > > > > > I just hope this is not a trial and error because it's getting > > > > expensive. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > LE CLONE > > > > > > > > > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > > > > > Gatineau, Qc > > > > > > J8P 1K6 > > > > > > (819) 643-0511 > > > > > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > > > > > > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > > > > > www.leclone.com > > > > > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message > > > > > > news:LkKid.98511$tU4.89125@okepread06... > > > > > > > mic canic did pass the time by typing: > > > > > > > > needs a crank sensor won't get either with a bad one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This might help. > > > > > > > http://members.cox.net/wilsond/cps/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've had no-fuel, no-spark, caused by a bad ignition coil. > > > > > > > The ASD (automatic shutdown relay) will turn off power to > > > > > > > both the coil and the fuel pump if the jeep does not start > > > > > > > in the first two to three engine revolutions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> My mechanic has just reported me that he does not get fuel or > > > > spark... > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
FINALLY
they replace the parts i was suggest first the CPS and voila.... my baby is
running again ! im so happy thanks to everyone who help me on this one. im gonna drink a good cold one tonight Pat -- -- LE CLONE 279 Notre-Dame Gatineau, Qc J8P 1K6 (819) 643-0511 SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 patrick@leclone.com www.leclone.com "Le CLone" <Le-clone@bellnet.ca> wrote in message news:nSskd.24612$km5.1244867@news20.bellglobal.com ... > Well i made them order the sensor today, i have a feeling this is it, and it > been a week they are trying to find the problem !!!! > > I think i will have argument when the bill will come in. > > Pat > > -- > LE CLONE > > 279 Notre-Dame > Gatineau, Qc > J8P 1K6 > (819) 643-0511 > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > patrick@leclone.com > www.leclone.com > "mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message > news:4190D9E6.EBD9FA9E@cac.net... > > i wrench at a jeep dealer and in a month i see zero no starts resulting > from bad > > grounds and at least2 a month with bad crank sensors esp. on the 4.0 > > once the engine is running u can disconnect the dist. wires and it will > stay > > running it's not used until it's shut off and restarted and the pcm needs > to > > know were the cam sync. is > > now it may be a rear bird that has a bad ground but law of averages are > against > > it > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > Using a test light we are able to get ground from various parts on the > > > engine, > > > > > > Assuming that the sensor quit while i was using the vehicules, because > the > > > day before it ran fine except it never start the day after, what sensor > it > > > essential for the vehicule to start but is not required when the > vehicules > > > is running ? > > > > > > -- > > > LE CLONE > > > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > > Gatineau, Qc > > > J8P 1K6 > > > (819) 643-0511 > > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > > www.leclone.com > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > > news:4190F182.252BD632@sympatico.ca... > > > > Busted ground man...... > > > > > > > > You live in the 'classic' rust belt so bad that your axles are rotting > > > > away right? > > > > > > > > Have you changed the open wire mesh ground from the engine to the > > > > firewall yet? > > > > > > > > Do you think that open mesh wire should last longer then a solid steel > > > > axle? > > > > > > > > Believe me, they rot 'way' faster than axles....... > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > well they got the new computer today and the jeep still does not > start > > > !!!!! > > > > > now im really stuck behind the mechanic and my 0- knownledge in > > > > > electric..... > > > > > > > > > > pat > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > -- > > > > > LE CLONE > > > > > > > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > > > > Gatineau, Qc > > > > > J8P 1K6 > > > > > (819) 643-0511 > > > > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > > > > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > > > > www.leclone.com > > > > > "mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message > > > > > news:418CB96C.A135C40A@cac.net... > > > > > > careful !alot of cheaper scan tools will do that because they have > > > limited > > > > > > software that interfaces with the vehicle > > > > > > i see it all the time with snapon even > > > > > > take it to a dealer you trust it will be cheaper inthe long run > > > > > > > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything seem to lead to a bad computer, when he connect is > scan > > > tools > > > > > it > > > > > > > get not code and an error reporting to put the key on. + their > is > > > > > various > > > > > > > cable that have no power. He said that their is aftermarket > computer > > > > > > > available for my GC. DC want 585 CAN + tx for a new one...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just hope this is not a trial and error because it's getting > > > > > expensive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > LE CLONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > > > > > > Gatineau, Qc > > > > > > > J8P 1K6 > > > > > > > (819) 643-0511 > > > > > > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > > > > > > www.leclone.com > > > > > > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:LkKid.98511$tU4.89125@okepread06... > > > > > > > > mic canic did pass the time by typing: > > > > > > > > > needs a crank sensor won't get either with a bad one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This might help. > > > > > > > > http://members.cox.net/wilsond/cps/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've had no-fuel, no-spark, caused by a bad ignition coil. > > > > > > > > The ASD (automatic shutdown relay) will turn off power to > > > > > > > > both the coil and the fuel pump if the jeep does not start > > > > > > > > in the first two to three engine revolutions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> My mechanic has just reported me that he does not get fuel > or > > > > > spark... > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
FINALLY
they replace the parts i was suggest first the CPS and voila.... my baby is
running again ! im so happy thanks to everyone who help me on this one. im gonna drink a good cold one tonight Pat -- -- LE CLONE 279 Notre-Dame Gatineau, Qc J8P 1K6 (819) 643-0511 SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 patrick@leclone.com www.leclone.com "Le CLone" <Le-clone@bellnet.ca> wrote in message news:nSskd.24612$km5.1244867@news20.bellglobal.com ... > Well i made them order the sensor today, i have a feeling this is it, and it > been a week they are trying to find the problem !!!! > > I think i will have argument when the bill will come in. > > Pat > > -- > LE CLONE > > 279 Notre-Dame > Gatineau, Qc > J8P 1K6 > (819) 643-0511 > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > patrick@leclone.com > www.leclone.com > "mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message > news:4190D9E6.EBD9FA9E@cac.net... > > i wrench at a jeep dealer and in a month i see zero no starts resulting > from bad > > grounds and at least2 a month with bad crank sensors esp. on the 4.0 > > once the engine is running u can disconnect the dist. wires and it will > stay > > running it's not used until it's shut off and restarted and the pcm needs > to > > know were the cam sync. is > > now it may be a rear bird that has a bad ground but law of averages are > against > > it > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > Using a test light we are able to get ground from various parts on the > > > engine, > > > > > > Assuming that the sensor quit while i was using the vehicules, because > the > > > day before it ran fine except it never start the day after, what sensor > it > > > essential for the vehicule to start but is not required when the > vehicules > > > is running ? > > > > > > -- > > > LE CLONE > > > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > > Gatineau, Qc > > > J8P 1K6 > > > (819) 643-0511 > > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > > www.leclone.com > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > > news:4190F182.252BD632@sympatico.ca... > > > > Busted ground man...... > > > > > > > > You live in the 'classic' rust belt so bad that your axles are rotting > > > > away right? > > > > > > > > Have you changed the open wire mesh ground from the engine to the > > > > firewall yet? > > > > > > > > Do you think that open mesh wire should last longer then a solid steel > > > > axle? > > > > > > > > Believe me, they rot 'way' faster than axles....... > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > well they got the new computer today and the jeep still does not > start > > > !!!!! > > > > > now im really stuck behind the mechanic and my 0- knownledge in > > > > > electric..... > > > > > > > > > > pat > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > -- > > > > > LE CLONE > > > > > > > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > > > > Gatineau, Qc > > > > > J8P 1K6 > > > > > (819) 643-0511 > > > > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > > > > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > > > > www.leclone.com > > > > > "mic canic" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message > > > > > news:418CB96C.A135C40A@cac.net... > > > > > > careful !alot of cheaper scan tools will do that because they have > > > limited > > > > > > software that interfaces with the vehicle > > > > > > i see it all the time with snapon even > > > > > > take it to a dealer you trust it will be cheaper inthe long run > > > > > > > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything seem to lead to a bad computer, when he connect is > scan > > > tools > > > > > it > > > > > > > get not code and an error reporting to put the key on. + their > is > > > > > various > > > > > > > cable that have no power. He said that their is aftermarket > computer > > > > > > > available for my GC. DC want 585 CAN + tx for a new one...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just hope this is not a trial and error because it's getting > > > > > expensive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > LE CLONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 279 Notre-Dame > > > > > > > Gatineau, Qc > > > > > > > J8P 1K6 > > > > > > > (819) 643-0511 > > > > > > > SANS FRAIS 1 888 643 0511 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > le-clone@bellnet.ca > > > > > > > www.leclone.com > > > > > > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:LkKid.98511$tU4.89125@okepread06... > > > > > > > > mic canic did pass the time by typing: > > > > > > > > > needs a crank sensor won't get either with a bad one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This might help. > > > > > > > > http://members.cox.net/wilsond/cps/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've had no-fuel, no-spark, caused by a bad ignition coil. > > > > > > > > The ASD (automatic shutdown relay) will turn off power to > > > > > > > > both the coil and the fuel pump if the jeep does not start > > > > > > > > in the first two to three engine revolutions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le CLone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> My mechanic has just reported me that he does not get fuel > or > > > > > spark... > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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